From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #38 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, February 2 2003 Volume 03 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] #oztori... goince once... going twice [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Being John Malkovich [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] ex-SQQusez;ex-SQQusez [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] ex-SQQusez;ex-SQQusez [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] [oztori] It's funny, the things that you find in the rain... [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher ["Matty Vines" ] Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] RE: [oztori] the difference between Tori and =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= [AndrewR ] [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some geek code? [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some geek code? [Nathan] Re: [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some pork code? [Andrew] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 02:20:49 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] #oztori... goince once... going twice I'm there 'as we speak' (9:23pm Sun EDST). Hurry while stocks last. N. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:51:45 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Columbia... isn't that where Shakira's from? At 05:55 PM 1/02/2003 -0800, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >AndrewR wrote: > > > The Space Shuttle Columbia, was destroyed on > > Re-entry from Earth orbit. 16 > > minutes from touch-down. At roughly 12am > > Brisbane/1am Sydney/Melbourne time. :o( > >OIC. > >For a moment there, I thought you were referring to >that Jan '86 incident where some rocket/space shuttle >exploded on its journey up into the sky. *cough* *splutter* NATHAN!! That was the Space Shuttle Challenger!! You pride yourself on knowing so much other trivia. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:56:31 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] ex-SQQusez;ex-SQQusez At 05:58 AM 2/02/2003 +0000, Matty Vines wrote: > > >Although it does sound a bit like Tori put 0 vocal > > >effort into the song.. but I think it seems to work. > > > > Oh you people!! Sugar is simply fantastic. No if's no but's. That whole > > TVaB live disc was crap. SQ, Vocals of Sugar (Original) are perfect. >******Umm.. Like with some of SLG (Especially Enjoy the Silence), Sugar, >as nayth put enjoy the silence sounds "Like someone woke tori up 4 hours >too early and made her sing into the microphone"... her voice is unsteady >and shaky and lazy. It's crap, the studio version of sugar. She coulda >done it SO much better. >HUgs, >Matt Sugar (studio) IS NOTHING like SLG tracks. There is a vulnerability to Tori's singing and a hidden emotion that just doesn't appear on hardly any of the SLG tracks. Sugar is meant to sound like that. PLUS there was no Mark Hawley doing sound on Sugar. There was on SLG. They probably DID record those tracks at 4am - just after a "rough shag" ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:59:27 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Being John Malkovich At 04:40 PM 2/02/2003 +1000, nina riddel wrote: >>Don't laugh... I've seriously seen a case of a mom who >>complained about her son's lisp & wanted to fix it, >>yet didn't realise she had the *exact* same one >>herself. > >You should really see (gasp! a movie! but trust me on this) Being John >Malcovich, Nayth. There's this man who thinks he has a terrible speech >impediment and nobody can understand him, because his receptionist has a >hearing problem and a PhD in speech pathology and she's told him he's >unintelligable. So he's led this horrible self-imposed lonely life. Lol. >I think you'd like it. Oh that's was fantastic that bit. And the Boss has the hots for her! LOL! She thinks the (main character) called Schwartz says his name is "Juarez" and thus not on the list of job applicants. :o) This is for his job on the 17 and a half floor. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 03:02:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] ex-SQQusez;ex-SQQusez AndrewR wrote: > Sugar (studio) IS NOTHING like SLG tracks. There is > a vulnerability to > Tori's singing and a hidden emotion that just > doesn't appear on hardly any > of the SLG tracks. Oh Andrew how can you say that... New Age & I'm Not In Love are just BURSTING AT THE SEAMS with 'emotion' ;) > Sugar is meant to sound like > that. PLUS there was no > Mark Hawley doing sound on Sugar. There was on SLG. > They probably DID > record those tracks at 4am - just after a "rough > shag" ;o) ..in their barn. Which begs the question.. is Tori into beastiality/rodeo/filthy-farmsex? Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 22:06:19 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] ex-SQQusez;ex-SQQusez AndrewR wrote: >Sugar is meant to sound like that. PLUS there was no >Mark Hawley doing sound on Sugar. But how can you so authoritatively say that Sugar was "meant to sound like that", but SLG only sounds like that b/c Tori is crap. I think that on New Age Tori might have meant to start apathetic (like our society is) and get increasingly angry as the song goes on (as she 'wakes up' from the stupour) ... she's meant to sound "half dead" on 97B&C ... IDLM she's going for confused and resigned ... and Real Men she's cold and steely in her anger. At least, you *could* make those arguments ... just as much as you could say that Sugar is meant to sound emotionally reserved. J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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"to me". :o) Oh that, and I'm in constant telepathic contact with Tori. Ohhhh Mark you naughty boy you!! >J > > > >--------------------------------- >Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 04:12:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] It's funny, the things that you find in the rain... Revelations on #oztori: um, my ex-GF was into Nintendo in a BIG way until I started beating her Read into that what you will. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2003 13:37:52 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher > um, my ex-GF was into Nintendo in a BIG way > until I started beating her oh *picks up useless brick of a phone and bashes julian around with it*.. hang on mr wifebasher this calls for a TORI QUOTE CUZ UR VICIOUS :P "The rebellion is not about what clothes you are wearing or whether you turn your back to the audience - its not about shocking for the shocks sake. Its not about singing Smack My Bitch Up and pretending to be hard. All you do is to get your name on K-Marts black list. It easy - and boring. So Prodigy, if you want to be hard, go to an abortion clinic and try to help those girls who have had an abortion in a front of 20 shotguns. Try to be rough and dont tell how you beat up your girlfriends - if you got the balls to do that! " - Tori Rumba Magazine ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:51:31 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher WTF?? Someone's got some 'splainin to do!! Matty Vines wrote:> um, my ex-GF was into Nintendo in a BIG way > until I started beating her oh *picks up useless brick of a phone and bashes julian around with it*.. hang on mr wifebasher this calls for a TORI QUOTE CUZ UR VICIOUS :P "The rebellion is not about what clothes you are wearing or whether you turn your back to the audience - its not about shocking for the shocks sake. Its not about singing Smack My Bitch Up and pretending to be hard. All you do is to get your name on K-Marts black list. It easy - and boring. So Prodigy, if you want to be hard, go to an abortion clinic and try to help those girls who have had an abortion in a front of 20 shotguns. Try to be rough and dont tell how you beat up your girlfriends - if you got the balls to do that! " - Tori Rumba Magazine - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: 2 Feb 2003 14:24:42 -0000 From: "Matty Vines" Subject: Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher > WTF?? > Someone's got some 'splainin to do!! lol blame Nafe for posting ur oz tori beating gf (at nintendo) comment :P hugs matty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:37:06 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] julian the rockbasher yeah, sorry ... I got your reply before I got Nayth's email quoting me way out of context (ps: you're a bitch, Nayth), so I couldn't work out how you knew what I said ... anyhoo, for the record, I have never hit anyone in my entire life ... including the 3 years when I did karate (boy did I suck!). :-) J Matty Vines wrote:> WTF?? > Someone's got some 'splainin to do!! lol blame Nafe for posting ur oz tori beating gf (at nintendo) comment :P hugs matty - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 02:55:27 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] =?iso-8859-1?Q?the_difference_between_Tori_and_Bj=F6rk?= Just surfin' and found this quote by Bjvrk - opposite to that of Tori's stance on internet music trade: "Vespertine was very influenced by my laptop, and about people being obsessed with Napster and saying it compromised sound and me thinking that was rubbish. Alot of the beats were influenced by me thinking someone could download it and it would sound great." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 07:35:16 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Touch Me (I Want Your Body) On Sat, 1 Feb 2003 17:31:44 -0800 (PST), Nathan ". wrote: >*votes for Andrew for president* Although I think >some exceptions are warranted for Precious Things & >Sugar... and maybe Cooling minus her annoying vocal >cracking (Tori hon, get some vocal coaching babe). Yer, rack off Andrew :-P 'Cooling' on that disc is good, if just for the ending where it's all echoey. Mmm, echoey. Though, alright, I do have to agree with the verdict on the rest of it, which I listen to about as much as SLG. (Need I say more?) ~Becc :-) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:34:15 +0800 From: "ennui" Subject: [oztori] =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_=5Boztori=5D_the_difference_between_Tori_and _Bj=F6rk?= Andrew R (Score:5, Informative): "Just surfin' and found this quote by Bjvrk - opposite to that of Tori's stance on internet music trade:" So what's Tori's stand? she hates all napster types and they can all just go die? I downloaded 'Pagan Poetry' and the next day I was down the shops ordering Vespertine simply because I heard it and I was that excited by what I heard. It's dumb to think that legitimate music artists will be hurt by online music sharing, it will only really hurt sales of vapour artists whose music has a use by date of about 30 seconds (depending on how long the chorus is). _ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 12:51:17 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] the_difference_between_Tori_and _Pork (aka memoirs from the BFP photo shoot) ennui wrote: >I downloaded 'Pagan Poetry' >and the next day I was down the shops ordering Vespertine >simply because I heard it and I was that excited by what >I heard. It's dumb to think that legitimate music artists >will be hurt by online music sharing, it will only really >hurt sales of vapour artists whose music has a use by date >of about 30 seconds (depending on how long the chorus is). Gonna have to disagree here. I think that there are two distinct types of music consumer. The first group (and, sadly, the smaller of the two) is made up of people like you and I who, if they like a song they hear an mp3 of, will go out and buy the album to support the artist (and not to mention have a 'nice' recording of all the songs as well as the booklet etc). The second group (the majority) is made up of people who basically think: why should I pay for something I can get for free? If they like a song they hear an mp3 of, they will either d/l the other songs too, or try and get a burnt copy of the CD. You get all the usual kinds of justifications: "I'm a student, so I'm poor, so I can't afford it, so it's okay to steal it" (a kind of perverted John Valjean logic); or "the record companies are greedy and corrupt and artists don't need money to survive (they suckle at the ample teet of the Muse), so I'll teach the record companies a lesson, and the starving unahppy artists make better music anyway" (a kind of perverted Romanticism-meets-Marxism logic). Either way, I know plenty of people who don't own a legit copy of their "favourite" CDs. Sure Tori and Bjork are the kind of artists who attract rabid-obsessive fans who not only need a legit copy of their CDs, but want all variant covers as well as the US pressing, the UK pressing, the Japanese pressing, the German pressing etc etc, plus the promo with no new extra tracks, and all the singles and the soundtrack on which they only fart once etc etc ... but even then, I know about half a dozen people who "love" Tori and don't own a single legit Tori CD ... 'cause they have mp3s and CD-Rs ... So just because you and I "do the right thing", I wouldn't go 'round expecting such virtuous behaviour from everyone ... :-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 18:31:01 -0800 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] the_difference_between_Tori_and _Pork (aka memoirs from the BFP photo shoot) On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 17:51 US/Pacific, Julian P wrote: > So just because you and I "do the right thing", I wouldn't go 'round > expecting such virtuous behaviour from everyone ... But you're assuming a level of technical knowledge that 'most everyone simply doesn't have. Yes, most modern computers come with built-in CD-RWs (or, like my PowerBook, with DVD-Rs), but that doesn't mean that the people who have such machines actually know how to use them. We haven't even begun to consider the people who don't have computers at all. Further, MP3s aren't very portable. Yes, there are MP3 players (sez the girl who has a 20-GB iPod). But MP3 players are expensive and not very common. CD players, on the other hand, are essentially ubiquitous. Getting MP3s isn't very easy anymore. There isn't anything that's really filled the Napster void. KaZaA is the closest there is, but its user interface is clunky. None of the P2P solutions has a sizeable user base, certainly nowhere near the user base that Napster once had. That drastically limits the options for getting MP3s. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 13:54:28 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] the_difference_between_Tori_and _Pork (aka memoirs from the BFP photo shoot) Nadyne Mielke wrote: >But you're assuming a level of technical knowledge that 'most everyone >simply doesn't have. Yes, most modern computers come with built-in >CD-RWs (or, like my PowerBook, with DVD-Rs), but that doesn't mean >that >the people who have such machines actually know how to use them. We >haven't even begun to consider the people who don't have computers at >all. > >Further, MP3s aren't very portable. Yes, there are MP3 players (sez >the girl who has a 20-GB iPod). But MP3 players are expensive and not >very common. CD players, on the other hand, are essentially ubiquitous. > >Getting MP3s isn't very easy anymore. There isn't anything that's >really filled the Napster void. KaZaA is the closest there is, but its >user interface is clunky. None of the P2P solutions has a sizeable >user base, certainly nowhere near the user base that Napster once had. >That drastically limits the options for getting MP3s. You make a good point, but there are two more points to consider: (a) The biggest consumers of music seem to be younger people (ie teenagers and adults in their 20s and 30s), who also happen to be the section of the population with the highest computer literacy skills and the greatest access to computers and the like. And as for people who "do not even own a computer" ... they are hardly the key CD buying demographic. (b) I know people who are totally computer illiterate who possess burnt CDs. My parents are excellent examples. Niether would be able to burn a CD for themselves, but they've managed to get quite a few each from computer literate friends etc. I've also been given CDs to burn on behalf of people. And I wouldn't go underestimating people ... my dad (who only has to touch a computer to cause it to crash) told me he did all his Christmas shopping on eBay this Christmas (to my great shock and surprise he: (i) knew what eBay was; (ii) was able to find it; (iii) was able to register; (iv) was able to find items he wanted; (v) was able to bid; (vi) was able to be the winning bid; and (vii) was able to negotiate payment and shipping with the vendor). :-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:26:26 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] RE:_[oztori]_the_indifference_between_Tori_and_Björk ennui wrote: > Andrew R (Score:5, Informative): > "Just surfin' and found this quote by Bjvrk - > opposite > to that of Tori's stance on internet music trade:" > > So what's Tori's stand? she hates all napster types > and they can all just go die? I downloaded 'Pagan > Poetry' > and the next day I was down the shops ordering > Vespertine > simply because I heard it and I was that excited by > what > I heard. It's dumb to think that legitimate music > artists > will be hurt by online music sharing, Mmmmmmmmmmmm I don't know - I mean, Samantha Fox has lost 3 CD sales (and to her, that is quite a large amount!) b/c I downloaded diff songs off 3 of her albums (I know it's hard to believe she had that many).... BUT I think it's more a case of 'supply and demand' - I mean - c'mon... as if I could just easily stroll into my local record store & pick up Sammie's CDs if I wanted... and if I could, there's also the embarrassment/shame factor involved there ;) But downloading is great just to get those 'oh that song I haven't heard since 198-X just popped into my head this afternoon & I wouldn't mind hearing it again!' tunes. I'm not forking out $30 for ONE song I just want to hear for nostalgic purposes. But hey who cares if Tori *does* miss out on some income... like she really needs it, hey? If she can afford all those crappy shoes & bottles of wine she keeps prattling on about, I'm guessing she can survive without. Ditto Michael Jackson's recent spat that an unreleased song of his 'leaked' out onto the net... he went as far as to record some message urging ppl to 'fight piracy' and not download it (*although HOW exactly is it 'piracy' if you can't actually buy the damn thing in the stores?!). Although of course s/he should be grateful that anyone bothers to download his music. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:33:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] the_difference_between_Tori_and _Filthy_Pork (aka memoirs from the FPM photo shoot) Julian P wrote: > (a kind of perverted John Valjean logic); and > (they suckle at the ample teet of the Muse) and > (a kind of perverted Romanticism-meets-Marxism logic) ....jesus you can really tell you've done an Arts degree! lol. I hereby declare Roozi & Henry (wherefore art thou?) obsolete... Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:36:46 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Pseudo echo Rebecca Appleton wrote: > Yer, rack off Andrew :-P 'Cooling' on that disc is > good, if just for > the ending where it's all echoey. Rebecca... I think you've 'hit the nail on the head' here... I was just thinking the other night, listening to some live Tori mp3... I WISH THEY WOULDN'T BLOODY MAKE HER VOICE ECHO-EY IN PARTS!!!!!! I want to hear Tori *live*... not "Tori with added acoustic enhancement". Might as well be at a Britney 'concert' [sic]. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:03:36 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] RE: [oztori] the difference between Tori and =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rk?= At 09:34 AM 3/02/2003 +0800, ennui wrote: >Andrew R (Score:5, Informative): >"Just surfin' and found this quote by Bjvrk - opposite >to that of Tori's stance on internet music trade:" > >So what's Tori's stand? she hates all napster types >and they can all just go die? I downloaded 'Pagan Poetry' >and the next day I was down the shops ordering Vespertine >simply because I heard it and I was that excited by what >I heard. It's dumb to think that legitimate music artists >will be hurt by online music sharing, it will only really >hurt sales of vapour artists whose music has a use by date Well I think Tori's totally against it - especially before the album officially comes out - hence the glued-shut previews. (did anyone get their hands on one of them). And yes, I think it's fantastic in that those maybe you meant vapid? artists that are manufactured and false aren't going to be around for the record company big-wigs to make easy money off. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:11:41 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] the_difference_between_new fashion Tori_and _new fashion Pork (is Tori also the other white meat?) :o) At 12:51 PM 3/02/2003 +1100, Julian P wrote: >ennui wrote: > > >I downloaded 'Pagan Poetry' > >and the next day I was down the shops ordering Vespertine > >simply because I heard it and I was that excited by what > >I heard. It's dumb to think that legitimate music artists > >will be hurt by online music sharing, it will only really > >hurt sales of vapour artists whose music has a use by date > >of about 30 seconds (depending on how long the chorus is). > > > >Gonna have to disagree here. I think that there are two distinct types of >music consumer. [snip] >Either way, I know plenty of people who don't own a legit copy of their >"favourite" CDs. > >Sure Tori and Bjork are the kind of artists who attract rabid-obsessive >fans who not only need a legit copy of their CDs, but want all variant >covers as well[snip] >J What about 2nd hand stores?? Sometimes I think I oughta pay full price for a first hand copy for some albums that I end up REALLY enjoying - and usually do for subsequent releases. I don't have any second hand Tori or Bjork or PJ or Smashing Pumpkins or Portishead etc "core" ALBUMS - but I do for other artists that are impossible to get or I'm taking a gamble on. So what about 2nd hand stores - the artists nor the record companies are going to get anything from second hand sales. As for the people who attract rabid-obsessive fans who buy everything - this usually occurs with artists/groups who have EARNED the right to have this fan-base as their music has been what brings in their fans. Not a marketing ploy. The other side of all this - is that if you didn't have your one-hit wonders you wouldn't have anything for nostalgia stakes in 10-20 years time, any 'smash-hits' albums or any POSSIBLE talent that could be worth-the-while. :D ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:15:21 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori_and _Pork is that kosher Tori? :) At 06:31 PM 2/02/2003 -0800, Nadyne Mielke wrote: >On Sunday, Feb 2, 2003, at 17:51 US/Pacific, Julian P wrote: > >>So just because you and I "do the right thing", I wouldn't go 'round >>expecting such virtuous behaviour from everyone ... > >But you're assuming a level of technical knowledge that 'most everyone >simply doesn't have. Yes, most modern computers come with built-in CD-RWs >(or, like my PowerBook, with DVD-Rs), but that doesn't mean that the >people who have such machines actually know how to use them. We haven't >even begun to consider the people who don't have computers at all. > >Further, MP3s aren't very portable. Yes, there are MP3 players (sez the >girl who has a 20-GB iPod). But MP3 players are expensive and not very >common. CD players, on the other hand, are essentially ubiquitous. > >Getting MP3s isn't very easy anymore. There isn't anything that's really >filled the Napster void. KaZaA is the closest there is, but its user >interface is clunky. None of the P2P solutions has a sizeable user base, >certainly nowhere near the user base that Napster once had. >That drastically limits the options for getting MP3s. I missed the whole Napster thing by a year or two - while my good ole 'old' computer was sitting in the mid to late ninties. Was Napster really Fantastic?? Just re the title - does anyone remember the girl who rang up the J-files talking about the line in Spark where she heard 'jewish' instead of 'judas' - - hope it's no one here... ;o) King Dicksmill was like errr.... yeah... ok... next caller. :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:16:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] the_difference_between_new fashion Tori_and _new fashion Pork (is Tori also the other white meat?) :o) AndrewR wrote: > What about 2nd hand stores?? Yes. Usually the same ppl who compain about d'loading/bootlegging are the ones who happily hand over big $ to buy Tori's singles etc. 2nd hand from places such as eil.com or eBay. Well Tori don't see a cent of those profits, either. > The other side of all this - is that if you didn't > have your one-hit > wonders you wouldn't have anything for nostalgia > stakes in 10-20 years > time, any 'smash-hits' albums or any POSSIBLE talent > that could be > worth-the-while. Yup... which is why we've now got a bunch of crappy 80's cover versions doing the rounds... In 2023, WHO is going to want to cover the pop 'songs' that are out NOW?!??!! Yup, nobody. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:17:30 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Tori from the city Tori from the Pork At 01:54 PM 3/02/2003 +1100, Julian P wrote: >And I wouldn't go underestimating people ... my dad (who only has to touch >a computer to cause it to crash) told me he did all his Christmas shopping >on eBay this Christmas (to my great shock and surprise he: (i) knew what >eBay was; (ii) was able to find it; (iii) was able to register; (iv) was >able to find items he wanted; (v) was able to bid; (vi) was able to be the >winning bid; and (vii) was able to negotiate payment and shipping with the >vendor). Nothing against your Father, but maybe he meant Amazon.com? Or maybe he used B-Pay? :o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:19:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Under the Pork AndrewR wrote: > I missed the whole Napster thing by a year or two - > while my good ole 'old' > computer was sitting in the mid to late ninties. Was > Napster really Fantastic?? I missed it too. Though I got Audio Galaxy, which was the next best thing... but alas not long before it was shut down. > Just re the title - does anyone remember the girl > who rang up the J-files > talking about the line in Spark where she heard > 'jewish' instead of 'judas' Yes I remember her. lol how dumb really. Needs her ears de-waxed. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:24:29 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some geek code? At 07:26 PM 2/02/2003 -0800, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >as if I could just easily stroll >into my local record store & pick up Sammie's CDs if I >wanted... and if I could, there's also the >embarrassment/shame factor involved there ;) Is it the same for you buying Condoms or is buying Samantha Fox that much more embarrassing? :) >But downloading is great just to get those 'oh that >song I haven't heard since 198-X just popped into my >head this afternoon & I wouldn't mind hearing it >again!' tunes. I'm not forking out $30 for ONE song I >just want to hear for nostalgic purposes. Of course - that's the trip I went on when I got my new computer - downloading things like "We Don't Need Another Hero" - by Tina Turner - which was stuck in mine and my brother's heads for a while a year or so ago! I HAD to listen to it! LOL! I'll need to download it again as I lost it when my HD was wiped. >But hey who cares if Tori *does* miss out on some >income... like she really needs it, hey? If she can >afford all those crappy shoes & bottles of wine she >keeps prattling on about, I'm guessing she can survive >without. Maybe we could use that to our advantage in getting her down here? >Ditto Michael Jackson's recent spat that an unreleased >song of his 'leaked' out onto the net... Heheheh will he be 'doing his spat' on that Special on Tuesday night - with his reply to the 'face' doco?? Have you seen one of the ads for that - where he's holding the baby and feeding it and chucking a tantrum? Does anyone think he's going to give those kids permanent eye-sight problems (especially the youngest one) by having something continually over their field of vision? > Although of course s/he should be >grateful that anyone bothers to download his music. LOL s/he... I did tell you how both he and his sister LaToya had to appear on stage together once to dispell the rumours that they were one and the same person? :o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:27:22 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] The Psycic Pseudo Echo At 07:36 PM 2/02/2003 -0800, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >Rebecca Appleton wrote: > > > Yer, rack off Andrew :-P 'Cooling' on that disc is > > good, if just for > > the ending where it's all echoey. Rebecca said that?? :( :o) >Rebecca... I think you've 'hit the nail on the head' >here... > >I was just thinking the other night, listening to some >live Tori mp3... I WISH THEY WOULDN'T BLOODY MAKE HER >VOICE ECHO-EY IN PARTS!!!!!! > >I want to hear Tori *live*... not "Tori with added >acoustic enhancement". Might as well be at a Britney >'concert' [sic]. Or worse still like the robotic Cher in that "Believe" song. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 20:31:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some geek code? AndrewR wrote: > >as if I could just easily stroll > >into my local record store & pick up Sammie's CDs > if I > >wanted... and if I could, there's also the > >embarrassment/shame factor involved there ;) > > Is it the same for you buying Condoms or is buying > Samantha Fox that much > more embarrassing? :) hahaha... Andrew... you should know better. FPM said he only 'sometimes' practises safer sects. > >Ditto Michael Jackson's recent spat that an > unreleased > >song of his 'leaked' out onto the net... > > Heheheh will he be 'doing his spat' on that Special > on Tuesday night - with > his reply to the 'face' doco?? Have you seen one of > the ads for that - > where he's holding the baby and feeding it and > chucking a tantrum? omg is there seriously another MJ spesh on? lol.. Tell me when - you know I don't stay in touch with what's happening in TV land... but I saw the face spesh. Gotta love LaToya's outburst - "what kind of 35 year old man spends a weekend with a 13 year old boy?!" - she is cool. You woulda thought she'd come to MJ's defenc/se. > Does anyone think he's going to give those kids > permanent eye-sight > problems (especially the youngest one) by having > something continually over > their field of vision? They're going to end up seriously disturbed, if they're not already... BUT, as I read one person comment on-line... they're gonna have one HELL of a story to sell to the media when they're older if they can overcome the obligatory "Michael is a wonderful person" BS & actually tell the truth. PS I'm surely not the only one who feels sickened when he hears MJ utter the words, "the children" in that soft falsetto. Nathan. ===== "Computer games don't affect kids; I mean if Pac-Man affected us as kids, we'd all be running around in darkened rooms, munching magic pills and listening to repetitive electronic music." - -- Marcus Brigstocke, British Comedian ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:47:36 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] wtf did Nathan's topic say? Was that some pork code? At 08:31 PM 2/02/2003 -0800, Nathan =?UNKNOWN?B?rg==?= wrote: >AndrewR wrote: > > > >as if I could just easily stroll > > >into my local record store & pick up Sammie's CDs > > if I > > >wanted... and if I could, there's also the > > >embarrassment/shame factor involved there ;) > > > > Is it the same for you buying Condoms or is buying > > Samantha Fox that much > > more embarrassing? :) > >hahaha... Andrew... you should know better. FPM said >he only 'sometimes' practises safer sects. As opposed to dangerous fringe-religion sects?? :) Are you some sorta FPM groupie?? > > >Ditto Michael Jackson's recent spat that an > > unreleased > > >song of his 'leaked' out onto the net... > > > > Heheheh will he be 'doing his spat' on that Special > > on Tuesday night - with > > his reply to the 'face' doco?? Have you seen one of > > the ads for that - > > where he's holding the baby and feeding it and > > chucking a tantrum? > >omg is there seriously another MJ spesh on? lol.. >Tell me when - you know I don't stay in touch with >what's happening in TV land... but I saw the face >spesh. Yes, Tuesday night - 8:30 I think - Channel 7 "check your local guide for listings" or just check sofcom.com.au/tv >Gotta love LaToya's outburst - "what kind of 35 year >old man spends a weekend with a 13 year old boy?!" - >she is cool. You woulda thought she'd come to MJ's >defenc/se. She SAID that!?! LOL! > > Does anyone think he's going to give those kids > > permanent eye-sight > > problems (especially the youngest one) by having > > something continually over > > their field of vision? > >They're going to end up seriously disturbed, if >they're not already... BUT, as I read one person >comment on-line... they're gonna have one HELL of a >story to sell to the media when they're older if they >can overcome the obligatory "Michael is a wonderful >person" BS & actually tell the truth. > >PS I'm surely not the only one who feels sickened when >he hears MJ utter the words, "the children" in that >soft falsetto. I think MJ is missing out on one VERY big opportunity for some (presumably) much-needed dosh. He should do a series - riding in the wake of the popularity of "The Osbournes" and then there was in the US the Anna Nicole Smith show and the Lisa and her Freaky-husband show. I think everyone's curiosity of what goes on at the Neverland Ranch could bring big ratings!! ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V3 #38 ***************************