From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V3 #5 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, January 5 2003 Volume 03 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] a small spat, but a spat nonetheless [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] Tori DVD ["Rachael" ] Re: [oztori] Tori DVD ["M.T. -Oz" ] Re: [oztori] Re: oztori-digest V2.0 [AndrewR ] [oztori] cartoons cartoon cartoons [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] errata [AndrewR ] [oztori] Deep Tori 9 and the Not-So-Purple Monkey [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=] Re: [oztori] a small spat, but a spat nonetheless [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] flatline medic's cover of precious things [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) [=] [oztori] tori at brussels airport shock ["Rachael" ] RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) [] Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] a small spat, but a spat nonetheless (for once not targeted @ anyone on this list :) I was just looking @ some ex-Dent forum threads (as one does when one has no better way to spend a lazy Sunday evening), and I must say I loathe when people say Tori did or didn't "play" Me and a Gun and/or Song For Eric. Hello... Tori doesn't *play* these songs. She 'sings' them* (*an exception to this rule would be a version of Song For Eric she did on the harmonium on the Dew Drop Inn tour). This is like trying to teach (one of the many) "exception" rules of English to a person learning it as a second language. Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 01:03:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] blueline medic's cover of precious things 'ave now 'eard Blueline Medic's cover of Precious Things and... some of the guitar 'rawky' bitz are OK.. but the vocals... leave a lot to be desired imnsho :) Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 18:53:59 +0800 From: "ennui" Subject: [oztori] sweepcleeper - mostly crap about dvds although tori does get a mention various stuff// (1) this -> "ozalficecream" looks like offal-icecream, so stop saying it! ..and after the 1500th replaying of my little sister's copy of the 'Alf Christmas Movie' i swore i would kill the next person who mentions the little furball's name :) (2) i can't understand how everything on video is not now on dvd. presumably they still run off a few copies of the Complete Videos every year? so why not stick it on a dvd? also, has anyone else noticed that warner music dvds only come with a two channel soundtrack? the Bjork video collection, the set of live Bjork dvds, and REM Road Movie are all only in 2 channel - it's so damned cheap of them. (3) with all the talk of thongs i was expecting you to mention "flip-flops", nathan. ho ho ho fliiip flooops.. :/ (5) ummmm.. oh, i had a conversation with someone on this list about a show called 'Eagle Riders', but i don't remember who it was.. (sorry to that person :) anyway with the recurrent discussion about stuff from the 80's people might actually be interested to know that you can now get the original show on dvd (!!!!!! :) it was also called 'Battle of the Planets', but i can't remember what it was called here. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0076983 the cool thing about the dvds is they have the original japanese episodes, which are much much much better than the americanised episodes (ie: no cheesy 70s music) and have a far more expansive storyline. i'll stop talking now. (6) to the person with the friend who knows the guy that cleans the pool of the person with the divx of cities of gold (so much mail, brain hurt): let's talk trade! :) i have heaps of xvid (it's like divx) stuff so i might have something you would like to swap for. (7) it's all over now (ate) ennui [ sunday, whatever the date is of 2003 - don't trust my pc ] _ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:51:03 -0000 From: "Rachael" Subject: RE: [oztori] Hairy T.R.I.P.E. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of AndrewR Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 4:22 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: Re: [oztori] Hairy T.R.I.P.E. At 04:40 PM 4/01/2003 -0800, Nathan "." wrote: > > I was going to mention Bubble-O-Bill!! I remember I > > wasn't allowed to have > > them that much cause Mum didn't like me having the > > chewing-gum and ending > > up having it stuck to something like the carpet! > > LOL! I do remember getting > > it stuck to my thong outside! :) > >Presumably we are referring to the kinda 'thong' you >wear on your feet here :) Of course - another Americanism infultration! ...and English. people look at me funny when i call them "thongs" instead of the proper "flip flops". rachael xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 10:55:03 -0000 From: "Rachael" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori DVD - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Nathan . Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 5:59 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori DVD > And D(F)ylan... Unfortunately I don't think we're going to see the > Complete Videos on DVD... 'less Atlantic put out a "Greatest Hits" > (sic) for Tori & do a DVD of that... um.. i think you can get it over here you know. im *sure* ive seen it. and as far as i know, music dvd's are region free... hmmm. anyone want me to look into this?? rachael xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:59:03 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori DVD > > Not a bad setlist if not for the *complete and utter > > lack of choirgirl* and the fact that we have to > > endure China *and* the God-awful train wreck that is > > Crucify 2002** (10 fucking minutes long!! bleargh! > > it used to be such a good song too!) > >I've not heard this... but from reading yours & many >others' comments on the said song, i don't think I'll >be in any rush to. I've probably read about 8 comments before Jules' one and 7 were raves about this tour's Crucify. I dled and listened once and liked it a lot.Perhaps it could have easily been cut down to 8 and a half minutes and not lost anything.... So yeh!I think it's a great version and I didn't really need to hear it done the same way again anyway. ....Mark _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 20:59:00 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Re: oztori-digest V2.0 At 05:36 PM 5/01/2003 +1100, Julian P wrote: >JOHN EMMET DOOLEY <john.dooley@studentmail.newcastle.edu.au> wrote: > > >Tthe last episode was an absolute dud! You probably did see it... I > can't remember what happened to the rest of the cast but Esteban and the > chick got in the >Golden Condor and took off in to the sunset in a very > cliched fashion... that was it! > > Does anyone remember Spartakus and the Sun Beneath the Sea? >While every person I asked has said that they used to love the show, so >far I've only found one who remembered the last episode ... and her >opinion was exactly the same as yours! Still, even when the ending sucks, >it's nice to see it, just because of how much time you've invested in the >damn thing (I'm thinking Seinfeld*, Star Trek: Deep Space 9** and Lois and >Clark: The New Adventures of Superman*** here). Yes, the Finale of DS9 was disappointing (I think that's the first time I've said it.) What irked me was the blatent reuse of effects. And the episode sorta ended when the Dominion War was over - but then we still had the whole Opaka/Dukat/Sisko/Pagh-wraith story line to wrap up. The 'montage' was kitsch. The best part was the pull back from the station of Kira and Jake. (Reminded me of that scene in "The Visitor") > >Was almost as disappointing to an eight year old as Monkey, Tripitaka > and co. never actually making it to India... > > > >Words cannot express how much I hated that show. And the sad thing is, it >was my best friend's favourite, and I used to have to sit there for hours >and hours watching the damn thing. > > Why didn't you speak up? Or get a new best friend? ;o) > > >I have a friend who has the entire series on DivX, I can put you in > touch if you want to try and work something out with her, she might be > able to whack it on to video :o) What exactly is DivX? I know I need that player thing to watch some episodes of things I've downloaded. I loved Monkey. Another show poor Matty wouldn't have had the opportunity to grow up with. As I mentioned (I think I did) in another post - may it was a long time ago... there was a FINAL season of Monkey. "We've" never seen it - It's never been shown here - cause it was never dubbed into English. Something happened with the 'actors' who did the voices in English - they went on strike or what ever. So there there are another 13 episodes of Monkey out there - in Japanese. Someone should get SBS to do subtitles. I think it had a more complete ending too. >James Valentine was like the coolest guy ever when I was a kid. (He's only >kinda medium cool now.) I think I wanted to grow up to be just like him, >so I could introduce You Can't Do That On Television! every afternoon. >Lol, how fucking sad was/am I?? Do you really want us to answer you? :) Did James Valentine come before Michael Tunn? I think he did and then came back and did TVTV later on. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:59:47 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] cartoons cartoon cartoons ennui wrote: >ummmm.. oh, i had a conversation with someone on this list about a show >called 'Eagle Riders', but i don't remember who it was.. (sorry to that >person :) anyway with the recurrent discussion about stuff from the 80's >people might actually be interested to know that you can now get the >original show on dvd (!!!!!! :) it was also called 'Battle of the >Planets', but i can't remember what it was called here. The show was called Gatchaman in Japan, and much of the merchandise is still in that name. The US version (which had much of the violence and misogyny -- and all of the rape -- removed) was called Battle of the Planets. However, back when it was shown here in the 80s, I'm pretty sure it was called G-Force (which was what the team was called in the show), and I'm pretty sure some of the merchandise was released under that name. Anyhoo, the show was recently re-dubbed and rereleased by Saban entertainment under the name Eagle Riders (and all mention of the team's name was changed from G-Force to Eagle Riders). But the DVD release preserved the historic Battle of the Plants/G-Force nomenclature, which is good for old-time fanboys like me. Sadly, I tried to rewatch this show recently, and like many other 'great' 80s cartoons (He-Man and the Masters of the Universe; She-Ra: Princess of Power; M.A.S.K.) it turns out that it's actually pretty poor. Methinks it best to leave my warm fuzzy chldhood memories alone and not disturb them. Oddly, though, some of the great early 90s cartoons are as good now as the day they were aired (Batman: The Animated Series, Gargoyles, The Maxx, and, of course, The Simpsons (bar the first season)). Hmn. Oh, and I really can't wait for the re-make of He-Man to start on Cartoon Network here ... it looks very cool, and the reviews seem to be almost all positive. [end complete geeky rant] Jules Tori content: Tori's favourite cartoon is Scooby Doo. Although I'm sure that, like all right-minded people, she detests Scrappy. ;-) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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So if you wanted to Nathanal about it they'd have to say "Tori didn't sing/play Meander Gun/Song Ferric" ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:02:53 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] flatline medic's cover of precious things At 01:03 AM 5/01/2003 -0800, Nathan "." wrote: >'ave now 'eard Blueline Medic's cover of Precious >Things and... some of the guitar 'rawky' bitz are OK.. >but the vocals... leave a lot to be desired imnsho :) OMG that is one disgusting cover. Almost as bad as "Enjoy the Silence" ;o) Why to Tori covers suck? Look at that Jawbox song. *ggaraaaghhhh* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 21:08:50 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] a small spat, but a spat nonetheless On Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:01:43 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >But she *PLAYS* the PIANO in those songs. So if you wanted to >Nathanal >about it they'd have to say "Tori didn't sing/play Meander Gun/Song >Ferric" ;o) > Um... *cough*a cappella*cough*... ~Becc ;) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:08:04 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] mention At 06:53 PM 5/01/2003 +0800, ennui wrote: >(1) >this -> "ozalficecream" looks like offal-icecream, so stop saying it! >..and after the 1500th replaying of my little sister's copy of the 'Alf >Christmas Movie' i swore i would kill the next person who mentions the >little furball's name :) pancrealicious >(2) >i can't understand how everything on video is not now on dvd. presumably >they still run off a few copies of the Complete Videos every year? so why >not stick it on a dvd? I was reading some link one day about the whole DVD making process - and that it takes a long time or some sorta shit. Sounds like crap considering there are DVD recorders out now. >(3) >with all the talk of thongs i was expecting you to mention "flip-flops", >nathan. ho ho ho fliiip flooops.. :/ Isn't that a NZ thing? >(5) >ummmm.. oh, i had a conversation with someone on this list about a show >called 'Eagle Riders', but i don't remember who it was.. (sorry to that >person :) I think it was me. Was that the cartoon where each 'hero' had a cape that looked like feathers? And each had a helmet with a visor that was shaped into a point like a beak? And each were of a different colour? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:10:36 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 At 08:59 PM 5/01/2003 +1000, M.T. -Oz wrote: >> > Not a bad setlist if not for the *complete and utter >> > lack of choirgirl* and the fact that we have to >> > endure China *and* the God-awful train wreck that is >> > Crucify 2002** (10 fucking minutes long!! bleargh! >> > it used to be such a good song too!) >> >>I've not heard this... but from reading yours & many >>others' comments on the said song, i don't think I'll >>be in any rush to. > >I've probably read about 8 comments before Jules' one and 7 were raves >about this tour's Crucify. >I dled and listened once and liked it a lot.Perhaps it could have easily >been cut down to 8 and a half minutes and not lost anything.... >So yeh!I think it's a great version and I didn't really need to hear it >done the same way again anyway. Does it sound like that version of Crucify that was hereinmyhead.com where Tori performs on Good Morning America. The woman talking at the start gets reverb and talks about Tori handing out Bagels. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:12:51 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] errata At 09:01 PM 5/01/2003 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >At 12:56 AM 5/01/2003 -0800, Nathan "." wrote: >>(for once not targeted @ anyone on this list :) >> >>I was just looking @ some ex-Dent forum threads (as >>one does when one has no better way to spend a lazy >>Sunday evening), and I must say I loathe when people >>say Tori did or didn't "play" Me and a Gun and/or Song >>For Eric. >> >>Hello... Tori doesn't *play* these songs. She 'sings' >>them* (*an exception to this rule would be a version >>of Song For Eric she did on the harmonium on the Dew >>Drop Inn tour). > > >But she *PLAYS* the PIANO in those songs. So if you wanted to Nathanal >about it they'd have to say "Tori didn't sing/play Meander Gun/Song Ferric" ;o) OMG IGNORE THIS - of course these are a capella songs *d'oh* - I was thinking "Happiness is a Warm Gun". SORRY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:13:31 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] Deep Tori 9 and the Not-So-Purple Monkey AndrewR <s348712@student.uq.edu.au> wrote: >Yes, the Finale of DS9 was disappointing (I think that's the first time >I've said it.) What irked me was the blatent reuse of effects. And the >episode sorta ended when the Dominion War was over - but then we still had >the whole Opaka/Dukat/Sisko/Pagh-wraith story line to wrap up. >The 'montage' was kitsch. >The best part was the pull back from the station of Kira and Jake. >(Reminded me of that scene in "The Visitor") Yeah, I actually kinda felt that DS9 was all over the place in the last season. I really loved the opener, with Sisko imagining the whole thing ... and I actually got chills when Ezri Dax and Sisko meet for the first time (Ezri was a great character an I hope she's one of the ones they use in the next movies with the hybrid cast) ... and there was some other nice stuff going through the last season too, but the Dominion War was alrealy collapsing under its own weight, and fizzled when it should have ended more powerfully ... the whole thing with Dukat vs Sisko was (a) too rushed; and (b) too cheesy ... I liked the complex Bajoran mythology they'd built in the first season, and it all got so watered down in the end ... but yeah, I agree that the final shot was eerie and really worked very well. Methinks they just had too much mythology to tie up. Whereas All Good Things worked because it didn't really tie up any plot, just celebrated the characters. Oh and what I said above aside, DS9 was easily the best Trek show. I think TNG at its best beat DS9 at its best, but TNG was woefully inconsistent, and had plenty of shite in there too ... as for Voyager ... ugh. And Enterprise? I don't think I could be bothered. >As I mentioned (I think I did) in another post - may it was a long time >ago... there was a FINAL season of Monkey. "We've" never seen it - It's >never been shown here - cause it was never dubbed into English. Something >happened with the 'actors' who did the voices in English - they went on >strike or what ever. Good riddance to some of the worst voice actors *ever*. I mean, they made the Power Rangers v/o people look talented. :o) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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Yes - I just posted a correction! *how embarrasment* ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:15:28 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 >From: AndrewR >To: oztori@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 >Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 21:10:36 +1000 > >At 08:59 PM 5/01/2003 +1000, M.T. -Oz wrote: >>> > Not a bad setlist if not for the *complete and utter >>> > lack of choirgirl* and the fact that we have to >>> > endure China *and* the God-awful train wreck that is >>> > Crucify 2002** (10 fucking minutes long!! bleargh! >>> > it used to be such a good song too!) >>> >>>I've not heard this... but from reading yours & many >>>others' comments on the said song, i don't think I'll >>>be in any rush to. >> >>I've probably read about 8 comments before Jules' one and 7 were raves >>about this tour's Crucify. >>I dled and listened once and liked it a lot.Perhaps it could have easily >>been cut down to 8 and a half minutes and not lost anything.... >>So yeh!I think it's a great version and I didn't really need to hear it >>done the same way again anyway. > >Does it sound like that version of Crucify that was hereinmyhead.com where >Tori performs on Good Morning America. The woman talking at the start gets >reverb and talks about Tori handing out Bagels. Haven't heard the bagel version of Crucify.It sounds perhaps similar to the way she did Blood Roses on I think the tour b4 SLT.You could say it is a similar 'treatment'.I prefer it to that version of Blood Roses though.er...why dontchya take a listen and see if you like it or no? ....Mark _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:20:52 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 "M.T. -Oz" <matt47_69@hotmail.com> wrote: >Haven't heard the bagel version of Crucify.It sounds perhaps similar to the >way she did Blood Roses on I think the tour b4 SLT.You could say it is a >similar 'treatment'.I prefer it to that version of Blood Roses >though.er...why dontchya take a listen and see if you like it or no? Lol, as much as I *hate* Crucify 2002, I *love* Blood Roses 1999 ... yes it's stretched, but it's so powerful and just plain evil. Download the one from Chicago 1999 (at tal.org) ... she sings like she's possessed by demons (especially when she sings "you little prick, you little fuck" in this growly voice). Crucify though seems to lose its energy and rythmn, rather than building like BR or Waitress Plugged. But I *do* see the similarities ... just feel that what works for one does not work for t'other ... And yeah, Andrew, go d/l it and deeeeecide for yourself. And then tell Mark that he's wrong. ;-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:24:53 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Thong tha-thong thong thong [ot duh!] Rachael wrote: > ...and English. people look at me funny when i call > them "thongs" instead > of the proper "flip flops". ...when I had a brief stint of living in NZ, aged 5-6, I learnt at school there that they were called "jandles". Another in'tresting 'thong fact' is that Sisquo (he of "Thong Song" & Dru Hill fame) was born exactly 1 day before me! Which kinda makes me feel all insecure about how much more he has achieved in the same space o'time than I have ;) Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:29:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) Raych claimed of the fictional "The Complete Videos" DVD: > um.. i think you can get it over here you know. im > *sure* ive seen it. At this point, I assume: a) you're on drugs b) you experience visual hallucinations. Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Let's all crucify Crucify! Mark "M.T. -Oz" wrote of the Crucify '02 (that means it's outta date already.. hehe): > I've probably read about 8 comments before Jules' > one and 7 were raves about > this tour's Crucify. ..well Mark, I'll have you know that I treat Julian's impecable opinions as gospel. Although I can imagine it being crap without needing to hear it.. I for one have ***NEVER*** really enjoyed Crucify live.. even the LE/UTP tour ones. Although I rather like the studio one. Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:42:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] flatline medic's cover of precious things AndrewR wrote: > Why to Tori covers suck? Look at that Jawbox song. > *ggaraaaghhhh* I like Faye Wong's one of SATY (in Cantonese). In fact.. the mid section (the "years go by will I still be waiting" part on the original) rather gives me a chill! Andrew then went on, regarding his little "no, Tori really does PLAY Me and a Gun/Song For Eric" insistance faux pas: > OMG IGNORE THIS - of course these are a capella songs > *d'oh* - I was thinking "Happiness is a Warm Gun". "I say, baby what have you been smokin'?!" Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2003 22:44:44 +1100 From: JOHN EMMET DOOLEY Subject: [oztori] "What do you think's in the burgers!?" >JOHN EMMET DOOLEY >, >I must say I think your name is really cool.. lol >And are you a newbie/lurker? >Nathan. I dunno where to start with the name... I have tried everything with my UniMail account to prevent my complete title being sent in bold uppercase whenever I write an email, and apparently I have to see the IT faculty in person to do that and its a struggle enough for me to even find my lecture theatres... its also a pain in the arse when I generally go under the name of Drago Rathbone these days anyway. Which part inparticular appealed anyway? "Emmet" my father named after either an Irish patriot or an English patriot who killed Irish patriots, I can never remember :oP >Hmn ... am detecting the need for serious effort on the part of all concerned here ... but, incidentally, >what else is your friend into (for the love of God, please no-one say 'filth'), in case I might have >something worth trading ... ? Yeah does sound like effort, hence my phrasing "I can put YOU in touch with HER" :oP Might be simple though... umm she likes other stuff from that era, actually if you can get Alias the Jester or Danger Mouse to her on any medium she will give you everything she owns and raise all her future children under whatever religion you desire. She also likes British comedy, Young Ones, Red Dwarf etc, and is something of a hip hop/R&B fan in the music stakes... that sort of thing and she'll talk. :o) >James Valentine was like the coolest guy ever when I was a kid. (He's only kinda medium cool now.) I >think I wanted to grow up to be just like him, so I could introduce You Can't Do That On Television! every >afternoon. Lol, how fucking sad was/am I?? No sadder than the rest of us... "Ready... aim..." "WAIT, WAIT, STOP THE EXECUTION" Drago ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:45:25 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Let's all crucify Crucify! Nathan . wrote: >..well Mark, I'll have you know that I treat Julian's >impecable opinions as gospel. Thanks, Nayth! (Yes, I am choosing to ignore the irony oozing from your remark. ;-) ) >Although I can imagine >it being crap without needing to hear it.. For the good of everyone on this list, Nayth, please *don't* ever listen to it. And when you get the DVD, please be sure to skip over it each viewing. Otherwise, I fear we may not hear the end of it. Ever. ;-) >I for one >have ***NEVER*** really enjoyed Crucify live.. even >the LE/UTP tour ones. Although I rather like the >studio one. There are actually some good (and at least 2 excellent) 1998 Plugged performances out there ... But the song has been in decline since 1999. Methinks it should join Leather and Winter in the Club For Excellent Songs That Should Never Be Played Again ('CFESTSNBPA'). J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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NO I HAVE FUCKING SEEN IT. there. i will prove you all wrong. yes. i will. rachael xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:48:06 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 Julian P wrote: > Lol, as much as I *hate* Crucify 2002, I *love* > Blood Roses 1999 ... yes it's stretched, but it's so > powerful and just plain evil. Download the one from > Chicago 1999 (at tal.org) ... she sings like she's > possessed by demons (especially when she sings "you > little prick, you little fuck" in this growly > voice). To paraphrase a Pete Tong, once (still is?) head of London Records in the UK - the very man responsible for terminating Siobhan Fahey (Shakespears Sister)'s recording contract in 1996, quote & apply it to this situation: "who wants to hear THIS from a 36* year old mother of none*" (*as Tori was aged 36 @ the time, and was a mother of none then... The original quote just said mother of two). I don't know... at a certain point it's no longer 'cute' to hear a middle-aged woman singing "you little prick"/"you little fuck"... It's something even Alanis dealt with and moved on from about 6 years ago (maybe.. can't say I've listened to her back catalogue). And Tori really *ought* to be setting a better example for lil Natashya ;) lol I can just hear Tori giving Tash her first chastising over saying "fuck", and Tash retorts, "but you said it on that song mommy!" Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 22:51:01 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) Rachael wrote: >NO I HAVE FUCKING SEEN IT. there. i will prove you all wrong. >yes. i will. errrr ... No you won't. It doesn't exist. Sorry. :-( Jules - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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"either shut up, or show me your dicks" Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 03:57:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] CFESTSNBPA Julian P wrote: > >..well Mark, I'll have you know that I treat > Julian's > >impecable opinions as gospel. > > > > Thanks, Nayth! (Yes, I am choosing to ignore the > irony oozing from your remark. ;-) ) No Julez... really.. I deem your opinions more reliable than most on this list.. (which isn't really saying much hehe). > For the good of everyone on this list, Nayth, please > *don't* ever listen to it. And when you get the DVD, > please be sure to skip over it each viewing. > Otherwise, I fear we may not hear the end of it. > Ever. ;-) LOL you learn quickly. Nearly everyone (ie, about all 0.3 people) I have befriended soon regrets telling me something dumb/embarrassing about themselves as I seeminly never let them live it down. > There are actually some good (and at least 2 > excellent) 1998 Plugged performances out there ... > But the song has been in decline since 1999. > Methinks it should join Leather and Winter in the > Club For Excellent Songs That Should Never Be Played > Again ('CFESTSNBPA'). What a great idea for a topic! May I add to that list: Cooling Sugar Little Earthquakes Take To The Sky Cornflake Girl And start up a "Club for Shit Songs That Should Never Be Played Again" list, beginning with: (The) Waitress. Nathan. ===== "two girls, sixty-five, got a Clone tied up in the back-seat 'Honey we're recovering Raelians'." - - In the Clonetime of His Voodoo, Tori DNAmos. "God is trash - you can buy him by the gram" - - Singles Party, Shakespears Sister. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 11:54:59 -0000 From: "Rachael" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Julian P Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 11:51 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori DVD (developmental verbal dyspraxia - SP content!) Rachael wrote: >>NO I HAVE FUCKING SEEN IT. there. i will prove you all wrong. >>yes. i will. > errrr ... No you won't. It doesn't exist. Sorry. it does it does it does it does rachaek xxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2003 23:04:42 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Crucify 2002 Nathan . <nastynayth@yahoo.com> wrote: >I don't know... at a certain point it's no longer >'cute' to hear a middle-aged woman singing "you little >prick"/"you little fuck"... It's something even Alanis >dealt with and moved on from about 6 years ago >(maybe.. can't say I've listened to her back >catalogue). 1. Tori does seem to have mellowed and 'grown up' musically since having Tash. This has been both very good (beautiful songs like Gold Dust, Carbon, Mrs Jesus) and very bad (very few so-intense-and-powerful-it-actually-hurts-but-in-a-good-way moments). 2. Context is everything, Nayth ... the way she builds it (BR 1999), it's not 'cute' or 'precious' or 'gratuitous' or 'childish' ... it works in the context of where she's going in the song. It's a performance, and she's in character, and it makes (emotional) sense, and it's powerful. Over and above that, who gives a fuck *how* old she is, or how many kids she's got. 3. [Hides behind large object while saying this:] Alanis can barely make decent music any more. (I actually came online tonight to bitch about how crap URS is, and how Hands Clean and the b-sides/'scraps' are the only redeeming part of the new album.) So I hardly think that Tori need take a page out of her book. But I'll shut up before the Alanis fans flame me. 4. One of the things I respect most about Tori is that she's a middle aged woman who never really bothered to give a fuck how other people thought she, as a middle aged woman, should act. Personally, I'm glad she kept her fire long enough to get some maturity and insight behind it, rather than petulantly burning it up and then becoming a wash out by the age of 21. But I might be wrong. :-P J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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