From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #388 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Friday, December 27 2002 Volume 02 : Number 388 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] Case of the missing Baltimores... ["Daniel Nolan" ] Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing ["M.T. -Oz" ] Re: [oztori] Case of the missing Baltimores... [Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] Case of the missing Baltimores... From: "Nathan ." > Do Mr & Mrs Amos have copies? Interesting you should ask! At the meet and greet I went to in '99, the guy next to me asked Tori that very question. To which she replied that her parents have "a box of them in the basement". So, providing they haven't been eaten by moths or rats, there should be well in excess of 10 out there. Having said this, I hope the Amos' have their home contents insurance policy up-to-date ;). Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:34:58 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Case of the missing Baltimores... Daniel Nolan wrote: > From: "Nathan ." > > Do Mr & Mrs Amos have copies? > > Interesting you should ask! At the meet and greet I > went to in '99, the guy > next to me asked Tori that very question. To which > she replied that her > parents have "a box of them in the basement". Heheheheh... Who knows - maybe Dr Amos is trying to pull a 'swifty' on his daughter by selling a few of them behind her back to make some quick $. Nathan. ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:57:35 +1100 From: gnome Subject: Re: [oztori] Two Towers At 11:01 27/12/02, Daniel wrote: >I thought so. Although it was a total "Okay, Sam, now >snog Frodo" moment. no offense, but you people are so lame. stop reading these undertones/overtones in the film. they are not there! I watched fellowship twice in the past week (*sigh* what a waste of 6 hours, i'm bored, ok) and they are not there. you people are reading far too much into the movies. (the world does not have to revolve around sex, stop showing us that it does ;)) digressing now, TTT is bloody brilliant. I did think the first one sucked majorly. it was terrible! but this one is good, and easy to understand for people who don't know the story - i found a lot of people had no real idea what happened in FOTR (ignore the fact i might know a lot of dumb people *G*) gollum is unreal. and i'm not into star trek at all but that trailor looks pretty darn good ;) as did the matrix one - it's about bloody time ;) Jas *** Gnome Productions: http://gnome.amos.net threemilesHIGH: http://threemileshigh.mtrez.net "I can look your god right in the eye " - 'Pancake', Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 19:47:07 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing For now,we can at least hope for more bees from SW.....ya never know..... >Then in Australia you get eg. Kylie singles which they >delete after their first week of sales - so they debut >high and 'advertise' the album - eg. "contains 3 top 5 >hits" or something - yet don't detract from the sales >of the album too much I traded some Kylie singles with a pal in Argentina(he sent me back items by someone way cooler IMHO-I'm not a Kylie fan BTW)anyway,my understanding based on my experiences in getting him those singles was that with both of those 2 single releases(the first 2 from Fever)2 separate CDSingles(ie-CD1+2) were released and only ONE of them was deleted after week of release.Perhaps what you mentioned also happened with Kylie singles before or after those 2 but just in case you were (accidentally OF COURSE)misleading us all on Kylie trivia I thought I'd share my vast Kylie knowledge with you all! ~~~~~~ Apparently 5 songs from Toris forthcoming live DVD were aired on USTV earlier this week!Saw some stills via a link at The Dent.Looks rather TV performancey but still can't wait for our likely only chance to see a show On Scarlet's Walk! >Mark _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:08:33 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Two [insert innuendo here] Towers gnome wrote: >>I thought so. Although it was a total "Okay, Sam, now >>snog Frodo" moment. >no offense, but you people are so lame. stop reading these >undertones/overtones in the film. they are not there! I watched fellowship >twice in the past week (*sigh* what a waste of 6 hours, i'm bored, ok) and >they are not there. you people are reading far too much into the movies. >(the world does not have to revolve around sex, stop showing us that it >does ;)) Sorry Jas, but as someone who really didn't pick up on any sexual undertones *at all* between Frodo and Sam in the first movie, it was just *so* obvious in the Two Towers that I couldn't help but noticing/commenting on it ... (In fact, at the very point in the movie that Daniel mentions above, I may have said a little too loudly "oh just kiss already"). And after the movie, the friends I was with commented on the sexual tension too. It's there. So there. No offence to *you*. :-) Jules (Oh and one of my friends yelled out "Sam will kill him if he tries anything" when Gollum was wrestling Frodo at the start. Most amusing.) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:09:20 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing stupid gimmicks like 'trinkets' and a >web-site which from all reports sounds so shit I've >not even bothered to look at it almost 2 months after >I got the CD :) > > > >Nathan. here's a report with a different opinion to 'all' the others you've read.... Scarlet's Web...ESPECIALLY considering it is essentially free(assuming noone would be buying the album solely for access to it).....is EXCELLENT! I've checked it out twice only but spent some hours there both times. It is based on the map of USA but has 3 different versions of it. One is the tour map.For each stop on her tour,photos can be viewed which generally includes some meet and greet pics,some rehearsal,concert and after show pics. There's also a short write-up by the photographer about random happenings in that particular city....maybe specifically about Tori,or the cities history,and the general pre show vibe for example. For each show 1 or 2 of the following are also included... ELEXIRS AND POTIONS...a recipe for a herbal brew to stimulate the nasal passages and hopefully beyond TORIS TIPS...eg...how to get chewing gum off from up and down your dress when you've got one minute before a date with numerous journalists) there's also an icon for audio/video footage of (I presume)the show but when I last viewed that one hadn't been used once. On the Scarlet's Walk part.....it is worth visiting IMO just to read the journal entries.These are fictional accounts as written by 'Scarlet'of her journey a-la the album and they're excellent.I have no idea who actually wrote them but if it was Tori then she oughta write more methinks. There's also some little videoclips(similar to the DVD),some interesting info about various historical sites(or just 'cool' or interesting sites)along the journey including links to further info)and cool pics of Tori. I only took a fleeting glance at the other section which is the native american map...I couldn't see what was going on there beyond the fact that the map marked the indigenous tribes territories as opposed to the 50 mainland states of modern day USA but that in itself is interesting to me and I think there's other stuff going on as well but I was webbed out by that point. The only negative thing I can see in S's Web is that the video/audio footage promise hadn't yet been delivered.The rest is all way cool IMHO as an extra on top of a 74 minute CD of high quality sounds. (takes a bow,ends rant) >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:12:25 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] Got some spare passiona lying around? just curious...re this Oz only sample tape of UTP with unique artwork..is this the one with the B+W cover and the pic from the cornflake girl single?(non digipak version).... the one I traded in to Red Eye for like $12? about 2 years ago? >Mark _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_addphotos_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:20:48 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing >From: Nadyne Mielke >As far as I can tell, Tori is a control freak. don't mean to quote you out of context here but just to say that whilst Tori might like to be way in control...I think the fact that sites like hereinmyhead.com exist freely(touches head)suggests she doesn't(at least always)take it too far. But then I still think good on her about the glued CDwalkmans....even though I agree at the end of the day many people just had to wait a bit longer to get hold of the music for free via MP3's Tori felt she needed to protect her art...she as the artist didn't FEEL ready for it to be out and about....and good on her for coming up with a simple way to buck the music industries standard procedures to accomplish that.Perhaps she should have glued the whole album in them though instead of the 6 track! >Mark _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:27:32 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] I'm ... glued! (not that I've actually seen American Pie 2) "M.T. -Oz" wrote: >Perhaps she should have glued the >whole album in them though instead of the 6 track! She *did* glue the whole album. The 6 track was not glued (and was available in a jewel case with cover artwork on eBay ... there were dozens of auctions). However, given: (a) the hassle associated with the gluing; (b) the fact that the glued Walkmans were only handed out quite close to the release date; (c) the fact that the glued Walkmans had to be returned very quickly; and (d) the glued Walkmans were only given out to selected reviewers, most reviews still ended up just reviewing the 6 track sampler. Methinks Tori was guilty of being "too clever for her own good". Oh well :-) Jules - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:30:26 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing >From: Nadyne Mielke >Sony did fuckall for promotion, I agree, but I wonder how much of that >is because of Tori's paranoid insistence that the album not get into >the hands of fans before its commercial release. How can you really >promote an album when you're facing that? > >/nm I think Sony's effort was pretty damn below average and don't feel like making any excuses for them but maybe they should have said well either tour here or we send out promos UNglued! (Tori Amos...Scarlet's Walk...Plugged and Unglued!) ~plugged is officially my biazrre looking and silly sounding word of the week BTW~ At least then she might have come down here to get the 'mofo' who disobeyed her...? >Mark(horribly embarrassed to have just sent a 2nd consecutive email via >Nadynes private email and going right now to slap himself) _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_smartspamprotection_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 21:35:07 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing "M.T. -Oz" <matt47_69@hotmail.com> wrote: >Tori Amos...Scarlet's Walk...Plugged and Unglued! And the award for scariest porno of 2002 goes to ... ;-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 20:37:30 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] I'm ... glued! (not that I've actually seen American Pie 2) >From: Julian P >She *did* glue the whole album. Methinks Tori was guilty of being "too >clever for her own good". > >Oh well > >:-) > >Jules mmh I see your point...I wonder if Tori would agree-in hindsight- or if she feels happy to lose out on some points to gain what she set out to gain....?Considering her focus on the US market and the album's success there to this point,perhaps not? Re the rest of the world....umm hopefully she gives a rats...her tour might spawn(or is it spurn?)some healthy sales.I think having single #2 ready to roll to coincide with the European tour would be/have been a smart move... >Mark _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:27:11 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing Mark "M.T. -Oz" wrote: > For now,we can at least hope for more bees from > SW.....ya never know..... File under "nice idea, but has about a 0.00001% chance of happening". > I traded some Kylie singles with a pal in > Argentina(he sent me back items by > someone way cooler IMHO-I'm not a Kylie fan > BTW)anyway, lol... File under "I smoked but I didn't inhale". Jaz wrote: > no offense, but you people are so lame. We're Tori fans - what did you expect?! Mark M.T G.G. again wrote of Scarlet's Web: > Scarlet's Web...ESPECIALLY considering it is > essentially free(assuming noone > would be buying the album solely for access to > it).....is EXCELLENT! > I've checked it out twice only but spent some hours > there both times. > It is based on the map of USA but has 3 different > versions of it. ...if I wanted a map of the US I'd buy an Atlas :) > One is the tour map.For each stop on her tour,photos > can be viewed which > generally includes some meet and greet pics, Oh just want I want to see - pics of Tori with her insane, obsessive, scary fans. > There's also some little videoclips(similar to the > DVD), lol would you believe I haven't even looked at that DVD yet?! (and no, 'tsnot b/c I don't have a player... More care factor = about -17). > The only negative thing I can see in S's Web is that > the video/audio footage > promise hadn't yet been delivered. Oh you musta missed Tombigbee then... but alas, you can be forgiven.. for it you blinked you probably woulda missed it. Nathan - caught a not-so-lite VERY loud sneeze just then! ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:30:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Got some spare passion buried, buried deep in your heart yes? Mark "M.T. -Oz" wrote: > just curious...re this Oz only sample tape of UTP > with unique artwork..is > this the one with the B+W cover and the pic from the > cornflake girl > single?(non digipak version).... > the one I traded in to Red Eye for like $12? about 2 > years ago? If you're referring to the one Dan Gee has, and 'we' were talking about on the list recently - NO. So don't worry, you didn't really sell yourself short with that trade. The pic on the one that is 'uber' rare is a pic of Tori in a white singlet-y dress thing - I think much like the one on the actual UTP cover - sitting positioned slightly backwards in a pose which kinda says "look @ my boobies" - hence why she probably 'didn't approve' of it ;) Nathan. ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:36:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] I'm ... glued! (not that I've actually seen American Pie 2) Julian P wrote: > She *did* glue the whole album. The 6 track was not > glued (and was available in a jewel case with cover > artwork on eBay ... there were dozens of auctions). Mmmmmmmmmmm the trouble is though, Tori's stupid 'knee-jerk' reaction to the "copy-protected" (sic) 6-track sampler songs finding their way onto the net in less than 24 hours after they were circulated. I remember reading Tori thought she woulda had "3 weeks" or something before some bright spark "cracked the code" (to quote her). Lol what a dimwit. BUT.. the whole POINT of such 'sampler' CD's is to *PROMOTE* the songs - something which cannot be done if nobody is allowed to hear them. Nathan. ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 22:47:03 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] I'm ... glued! (not that I've actually seen American Pie 2) Nathan . <nastynayth@yahoo.com> wrote: >Mmmmmmmmmmm the trouble is though, Tori's stupid >'knee-jerk' reaction to the "copy-protected" (sic) >6-track sampler songs finding their way onto the net >in less than 24 hours after they were circulated. I >remember reading Tori thought she woulda had "3 weeks" >or something before some bright spark "cracked the >code" (to quote her). Lol what a dimwit. To be fair, her comment about cracking the code, I'm fairly sure, had to do with Scarlet's Web and how you needed to have an offical (ie non-CD-R) version of the CD in your CD-ROM drive in order to access it and download the 'secret' content ... especially the b-sides. And I think she actually said 8 months not three weeks. As for how long it took for Tombigbee to be leaked ... I think it was closer to 8 minutes. Although, to my knowledge, there is no 'crack' to get into the actual Scarlet's Web website without the official CD being widely circulated, although some computer geek somewhere musta tried it and succeeded. I wonder if the speed at which Tombigbee made it to hereinmyhead.com and collectingbees.com has anything to do with the lack of further 'b-sides'. Although they must realise that the EWF comunity do not want super shitty quality streaming only b-sides that do not download properly because the server is too busy so you only get to hear thirty seconds of garbage. Which is what happened when I tried to listen to Tombigbee at the website. I hate to even think what people on dial-up got ... I'm hoping we get an Alanis-esque leftovers EP. Or better yet a "Scarlet's Walk and More Walk (boy do my shoes smell)" to co-incide with her 2003 Aussie Tour. ;-) >BUT.. the whole POINT of such 'sampler' CD's is to >*PROMOTE* the songs - something which cannot be done >if nobody is allowed to hear them. Lol, this logic seems beyong Tori/Sony. Considering how few people know she had an album out, I'm surprised it's sold as well as it has ... Oh well (I'm sayin' that a lot today) Jules - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:54:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Feel better with Julian Pinder till I almost smaked him Julian P wrote: > To be fair, her comment about cracking the code, I'm > fairly sure, had to do with Scarlet's Web and how > you needed to have an offical (ie non-CD-R) version > of the CD in your CD-ROM drive in order to access it > and download the 'secret' content ... Ooops yes you're right Julez. Hehehehe hazy memory of mine.... "elephant mind Nayth, you don't have you're forgetting to fly darling when you sleep" > especially the > b-sides. And I think she actually said 8 months not > three weeks. As for how long it took for Tombigbee > to be leaked ... I think it was closer to 8 minutes. Tombigbee should actually have been available for download in mp3 format at the site.. I mean.. if you have to have the CD to access it & you've paid for it & Tori's got her profits... & you can't get Tombigbee elsewhere... why not?! > Although, to my knowledge, there is no 'crack' to > get into the actual Scarlet's Web website without > the official CD being widely circulated, although > some computer geek somewhere musta tried it and > succeeded. Perhaps but why would you WANT to crack Scarlet's Web?? I mean, I haven't yet mustered up enough motivation to go there and I *have* the CD. > I wonder if the speed at which Tombigbee made it to > hereinmyhead.com and collectingbees.com has anything > to do with the lack of further 'b-sides'. ..but that's silly b/c it's not like Tori or Sony are losing any profits because of Tombigbee being 'leaked'. I mean, you can't actually *buy* it anywhere! > I'm hoping we get an Alanis-esque leftovers EP. ...didn't we already get that with the Glory of the 80s single ;) > Or > better yet a "Scarlet's Walk and More Walk (boy do > my shoes smell)" to co-incide with her 2003 Aussie > Tour. ;-) Hahahahah. Although WTF would make the content of the "More Walk" CD? Can't say she's had many b-sides since '98. > Lol, this logic seems beyong Tori/Sony. Considering > how few people know she had an album out, I'm > surprised it's sold as well as it has ... but 'to be fair'.. I think deep down everyone knows that Tori practically has all the fanbase she's going to get... I mean, 'let's face it', she doesn't exactly appeal to 'the masses'. Nathan. ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:22:03 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] and somewhere Nathan cries, and says enjoy his every bile Nathan . wrote: >Tombigbee should actually have been available for >download in mp3 format at the site.. I mean.. if you >have to have the CD to access it & you've paid for it >& Tori's got her profits... & you can't get Tombigbee >elsewhere... why not?! I think they're clinging to the idea that people will buy this CD if and only if there's something that they can have by buying it that they can't have by downloading the mp3s (other than a purdy booklet). What they overlook is the fact that the only people who CARE about Tombigbee of whatever else might be out there are the fans who are so rabid/dedicated that they'll still buy a nice shiny silver copy for their collection even though they have all the mp3s already. I still shelled out more than 30 bucks for the SLG single even though I had two really good quality (go on, say it) mp3s of the b-sides. But there's no point telling THEM that. >Perhaps but why would you WANT to crack Scarlet's >Web?? I mean, I haven't yet mustered up enough >motivation to go there and I *have* the CD. Lol ... too true. But I'm sure Tori think's that it's the best website ever. I spent all of 15 minutes there. Once. It was really user-unfriendly. Ugh. And I'm sure you're "average" consumer doesn't even know about Scarlet's Web so as to be lured to purchase SW by the prospect of gaining access to it. (And I'm sure that part of the reason that said "average" consumer has never heard of Scarlet's Web is because they've never heard of Scarlet's Walk. But don't blame Sony for that one. Oh no. Blame the lazy ass Tori Amos Street Team for not littering the entire internet with mindless Tori spam. I mean, did anyone actually win the mission to hack into the US Department of Defence website and put up a SW banner? Or did they use dynamite to change the faces on Mount Rushmore into Scarlet and the other "characters" that were in the press release? And I don't recall any winners for the 'show your friends your "healing machine" challenge' either. Lousy fucking slackers. ;-) >..but that's silly b/c it's not like Tori or Sony are >losing any profits because of Tombigbee being >'leaked'. I mean, you can't actually *buy* it >anywhere! Nayth, I think we already established that they're not playing with a full deck here ... >Hahahahah. Although WTF would make the content of the >"More Walk" CD? Can't say she's had many b-sides >since '98. It should have all the SW 'b-sides' that Tori has talked about but we will likely never see (hear). Of course she'll drop the names in interviews 'cause she knows that it will torture her fans who will then go on to write terrible haiku about the dreams they had in which the disembodied heads of Skeeter and Phoebe come and sing them the chorus of said songs. Ugh. Lousy fucking haiku. ;-) >but 'to be fair'.. I think deep down everyone knows >that Tori practically has all the fanbase she's going >to get... I mean, 'let's face it', she doesn't exactly >appeal to 'the masses'. You "must agree" that even though you "have a point", the only purpose of this "brief retort" was to mock my habit of "using inverted commas". Lousy fucking inverted commas. ;-) :-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Movies - - What's on at your local cinema? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:40:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] The gospel changes meaning if you follow Julian or Paul Julian P wrote: > I think they're clinging to the idea that people > will buy this CD if and only if there's something > that they can have by buying it that they can't have > by downloading the mp3s (other than a purdy > booklet). lol maybe *that* is why they think SLG sold (relatively) poorer than her work prior to it! Heheheh. > Lol ... too true. But I'm sure Tori think's that > it's the best website ever. I spent all of 15 > minutes there. Once. It was really user-unfriendly. > Ugh. And I'm sure you're "average" consumer doesn't > even know about Scarlet's Web so as to be lured to > purchase SW by the prospect of gaining access to it. I know. I think you have to scower (sp?) the fine-print on the CD to see the blurb about Scarlet's Web.. as if a 'casual' fan is going to do that?! If they really wanted to make a song & dance about it, they would have had a huge sticker on the front of the CD - "EXCLUSIVE BONUS - gain access to Scarlet's Web using this CD!!!" or some such thing. > (And I'm sure that part of the reason that said > "average" consumer has never heard of Scarlet's Web > is because they've never heard of Scarlet's Walk. mmmmm... my sister today said to me she saw "a Tori CD with a yellow-ish border on the cover" that she'd not seen before.. then when I explained 'twas her 'new' CD she said something along the lines of "oh I never knew she had one out". > >Hahahahah. Although WTF would make the content of > the > >"More Walk" CD? Can't say she's had many b-sides > >since '98. > > It should have all the SW 'b-sides' that Tori has > talked about but we will likely never see (hear). Of > course she'll drop the names in interviews 'cause > she knows that it will torture her fans who will > then go on to write terrible haiku about the dreams > they had in which the disembodied heads of Skeeter > and Phoebe come and sing them the chorus of said > songs. Ugh. Lousy fucking haiku. ;-) ...or knowing our luck, the bonus CD would have the 'rare, previously unreleased EVEN MORE EXTENDED version of BT's Synesthasia (sp?) remix of Talula'... filling up about 74 minutes of the disc... maybe with 2 short RAINN PSA's tucked onto the end.. maybe with an edited version of Wampum Prayer :) > You "must agree" that even though you "have a > point", the only purpose of this "brief retort" was > to mock my habit of "using inverted commas". Lousy > fucking inverted commas. ;-) noooooooo I love inverted commas! Hehheeh I got 'chastised' for using them the other day here by Matty Vines. Long live the inverted comma I say! Nathan. ===== "hon, i'd rather sleep with u any day of the week than FPM (filthpigmelb)" - Dylan Plant, Dec 26th, 2002. "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. ______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:06:47 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori]I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing >From: Nathan "." > > For now,we can at least hope for more bees from > > SW.....ya never know..... > >File under "nice idea, but has about a 0.00001% chance >of happening". For once-I fear-I am close to agreeing with you > > > I traded some Kylie singles with a pal in > > Argentina(he sent me back items by > > someone way cooler IMHO-I'm not a Kylie fan > > BTW)anyway, > >lol... File under "I smoked but I didn't inhale". So this means either 'Kylie is cooler than ANY recording artist in existence'(since you don't even know who I traded for) or this retort means nothing except in the fractal dog that is your head sweet boy ? > >Jaz wrote: > > > no offense, but you people are so lame. > >We're Tori fans - what did you expect?! > > >Mark M.T G.G. again wrote of Scarlet's Web: G.G.W.T.F.Y.P.O.P.? > > Scarlet's Web...ESPECIALLY considering it is > > essentially free(assuming noone > > would be buying the album solely for access to > > it).....is EXCELLENT! > > I've checked it out twice only but spent some hours > > there both times. > > It is based on the map of USA but has 3 different > > versions of it. > >...if I wanted a map of the US I'd buy an Atlas :) > > > > One is the tour map.For each stop on her tour,photos > > can be viewed which > > generally includes some meet and greet pics, > >Oh just want I want to see - pics of Tori with her >insane, obsessive, scary fans. Try just focussing on Tori and the cute bois > > > There's also some little videoclips(similar to the > > DVD), > >lol would you believe I haven't even looked at that >DVD yet?! (and no, 'tsnot b/c I don't have a >player... More care factor = about -17). Yes I believe it and must,thus,deduce that you are either a mindlessly obsessed collector or trinket fetishist,or probably both. > > > The only negative thing I can see in S's Web is that > > the video/audio footage > > promise hadn't yet been delivered. > >Oh you musta missed Tombigbee then... but alas, you >can be forgiven.. for it you blinked you probably >woulda missed it. No forgiveness needed...I didn't mention it because it's no longer there. And I knew that you knew it had been there and no longer is there. I hope that there's a lurker out there who finds the information about Scarlet's Web of interest.I agree with Julian/Jules that it doesn't score the highest of marks for user-friendliness,but for me the content is excellent and lack of user-friendliness is not a major problem in comparison. And Naythan...I appreciate your appreciation mate!(go to town pal)I know you're thankful for another opportunity to exorcise(sicK)your witty repertoire.The sarcastic cynicism is way too autopilotincessant for any wit to shine through for me. Mark-caught a juicy booger,give me peace,love and that'll do. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:18:03 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] Got some spare passion buried, buried deep in your heart yes? >From: Nathan "." >To: oztori@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [oztori] Got some spare passion buried, buried deep in your >heart yes? >Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 03:30:51 -0800 (PST) > >Mark "M.T. -Oz" wrote: > > > just curious...re this Oz only sample tape of UTP > > with unique artwork..is > > this the one with the B+W cover and the pic from the > > cornflake girl > > single?(non digipak version).... > > the one I traded in to Red Eye for like $12? about 2 > > years ago? > >If you're referring to the one Dan Gee has, and 'we' >were talking about on the list recently - NO. > >So don't worry, you didn't really sell yourself short >with that trade. > >The pic on the one that is 'uber' rare is a pic of >Tori in a white singlet-y dress thing - I think much >like the one on the actual UTP cover - sitting >positioned slightly backwards in a pose which kinda >says "look @ my boobies" - hence why she probably >'didn't approve' of it ;) > > >Nathan. Thanks for the info but I'm not sure if we are referring to the same item because the discussion you refer to was about a CD no?And I doubt that Tori would authorise the cover for an Australian promo anyway. I don't mind if Red Eye did extra well out of a trade with me.My fault for not knowing better.I traded them a CD once and was amazed when they gave me $100 without a thought.I saw the same CD on a Top 10 collectors items list at eil.com about a year ago listed as being worth thousands of pounds....many thousands!Must admit I paused to imagine how life could have been for a few seconds when I saw it but since the CD was inherited through the misfortune(and disorganisation)of another I still feel I did well with the $100. mmmmmMark _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 23:21:47 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] tatva >Julian P wrote: > > > She *did* glue the whole album. The 6 track was not > > glued (and was available in a jewel case with cover > > artwork on eBay ... there were dozens of auctions). > >Mmmmmmmmmmm the trouble is though, Tori's stupid >'knee-jerk' reaction to the "copy-protected" (sic) >6-track sampler songs finding their way onto the net >in less than 24 hours after they were circulated. I >remember reading Tori thought she woulda had "3 weeks" >or something before some bright spark "cracked the >code" (to quote her). Lol what a dimwit. > >BUT.. the whole POINT of such 'sampler' CD's is to >*PROMOTE* the songs - something which cannot be done >if nobody is allowed to hear them. yeah sure but Toris whole 'POINT'was that she didn't want EvErYbOdY to hear them,yet. mmmmmmmgrapeape _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_stopmorespam_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:03:39 -0800 (PST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] Case of the missing Baltimores... - --- Daniel Nolan wrote: > From: "Nathan ." > > Do Mr & Mrs Amos have copies? > Interesting you should ask! At the meet and greet I went to in '99, > the guy next to me asked Tori that very question. To which she > replied that her parents have "a box of them in the basement". So, > providing they haven't been eaten by moths or rats, there should be > well in excess of 10 out there. If I recall correctly, the Amos family donated a handful of copies of 'Baltimore' to RAINN. A couple of copies have been auctioned to raise some money, but I believe they still have a few more waiting in the wings. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] If I had to do it all again.. I wouldn't change a SINGLE thing - --- "M.T. -Oz" wrote: > >From: Nadyne Mielke > >As far as I can tell, Tori is a control freak. > don't mean to quote you out of context here but just to say that > whilst Tori might like to be way in control...I think the fact that > sites like hereinmyhead.com exist freely(touches head)suggests she > doesn't(at least always)take it too far. That's true enough. She could take it much farther. > But then I still think good on her about the glued CDwalkmans....even > though I agree at the end of the day many people just had to wait a > bit longer to get hold of the music for free via MP3's Tori felt she > needed to protect her art...she as the artist didn't FEEL ready for > it to be out and about....and good on her for coming up with a > simple way to buck the music industries standard procedures to > accomplish that.Perhaps she should have glued the whole album in them > though instead of the 6 track! The 6-track CD sampler was widely available, and is what most of the pre-album-release reviews were based on. The glued-up CD player contained the whole album. However, there were a mere handful of these available. I think the Sony rep told me that there were a half-dozen. Anyone who got one of these had to return it to Sony within a week of receiving it, or they would not be allowed to interview Tori. _Rolling Stone_ couldn't get one of the glued player, fergawdsakes. I agree that the glued players met her goal of the MP3s not making it out early. But, truthfully, I just don't see the point. Tori does have a sizeable contingent of reasonably techno-savvy fans. But the vast majority are not, they don't have the Internet knowledge to search out MP3s at all, let alone before the album release. I don't see the point in getting knotted knickers over such a small percentage of the overall fan population. /nm ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #388 ****************************