From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #354 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 354 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [oztori] NET50!!! [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] URGENT! Laurie Anderson [=?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= ] RE: [oztori] NET50!!! [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee [Rebecca A] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee [Nathan "®] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! "Henry S." wrote: > Roozi, I like you a hell of a lot, but sometimes > even I think you've got your head up your arse. Pot. Kettle. Black. > The > whole point of supporting local acts (which happen > to be Australian because funnily enough that's where > we all live) is giving new, up-and-coming talent Yes, *TALENT* is the key word there. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 06:41:18 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: [oztori] URGENT! Laurie Anderson hey guys/gals, sorry to bother you all, but only TODAY (thank god I opened last weeks newspapers!) I discovered that Laurie Anderson is doing a show in Sydney in February next year. Its at the Opera House, in the Concert Hall, on Sunday 16th Feb 2003, at 7pm. I hate going to concerts on my own, so would anyone else be interested in going? Tickets are: $95 for the stalls (no student concessions). $88 for the circle (or $84 if you're a student). I think Laurie is a great performer - I've never seen her live, but I've heard (and seen) recordings of her shows and they're just phenomenal multimedia experiences. I've attached the blurb for this tour below. She's done all sorts - spoken word, avant garde, performance art, straight up and down pop. She's collaborated with heaps of people - Nile Rodgers, Peter Gabriel, Lou Reed, Brian Eno... But if you're interested PLEASE let me know by tomorrow (Tuesday 25th) at 8pm, and I'll book however many tickets then, and you can give me the $$. There are still pretty good seats available, and I don't want to miss out! If you want to know more about Laurie, just let me know and I'll witter on for hours (hell, you know me!). Take care y'all, speak soon xoxo Dan PS - The Blurb... (taken from S.O.H. website): In Laurie Anderson's show "Happiness" the music is a pulse and a metronome. The sounds are a combination of keyboards, violin and digital processing as well as several MIDI triggers. "Happiness" is Laurie Anderson's way of looking at some of the things that both interest and trouble her: the evolution of behaviour, how we learn and what we remember, expectations, the meaning of justice and the effects of increasing speed coloured by the darker elements of doubt and fear. Laurie Anderson is one of the premier performance artists in the world. Anderson has consistently intrigued, entertained and challenged audiences with her multimedia presentations. Her artistic career has cast her in roles as various as visual artist, composer, poet, photographer, film maker, ventriloquist, electronics whiz, vocalist and instrumentalist. ===== I want a table - no, just for one. But I know you do! I can see some from here! Okay, then say for two...no, there's only one. Don't you want my business? I will never come back here! http://www.livejournal.com/~scarydan Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:50:22 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee Rebecca Appleton wrote: >Yeah, like, c'mooon guys. Why go to your local coffee store when >there's a Starbucks just up the road? Being local is no reason to >choose them. Think how nice it'll be when every coffee shop in the >world is Starbucks and you'll know exactly what you're going to get >every time someone pours you a cup of coffee, forever. Even if it's >boring and has no pertinence to your life. Leave the promotion of >diversity to nature. That may be good and well, but it doesn't seem to make very much sense to support a shitty little local coffee shop just because it isn't Starbucks. Support them if and because their coffee is good, or because they have tasty tasty friands and melting moments and canoli that you would sell your own mother for and. Oh, wait, what were we talking about? Oh, yes, support them because they are good, not because they are local. I can name maybe 5 bands/performers that are both Australian and good ... and I support them. The rest of can sod off. I'm happy with Tori "mega-grande-gingerbread-frappaccino" Amos. Jules suddenly very hungry - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Always be connected to your Messenger Friends ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2002 22:56:17 -0800 From: "Henry S." Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! On Sun, 24 November 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > "Henry S." wrote: > > > Roozi, I like you a hell of a lot, but sometimes > > even I think you've got your head up your arse. > > Pot. Kettle. Black. > Your point being...? I'll confess--I'm a very opinionated forthwright individual who likes hitting people over the head with his point-of-view. But at least I never pretend it is anything more than merely my opinion, rather than certain others I could mention who seem to imagine their words are the only true and valid viewpoint. > > > The > > whole point of supporting local acts (which happen > > to be Australian because funnily enough that's where > > we all live) is giving new, up-and-coming talent > > Yes, *TALENT* is the key word there. > Yes, well we all know how utterly well-informed you are on what some of the bigger Australian acts are actually called, let alone your encyclopedic knowledge of how they sound, therefore I am confident that Nathan Robertson's Declaration of Complete Lack of Australian Musical Talent is something the national music industry awaits with baited breath so it can finally put an end to its miserable existence. Henry. self-made-man@shawcross.org "A self-made man may prefer a self-made name." - --Learned Hand - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:08:25 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! "Henry S. Club" wrote: > Yes, well we all know how utterly well-informed you > are on what some of the bigger Australian acts are > actually called, The 'bigger' ones? Perhaps you ought to conduct a poll and see what proportion of the 'general population' has heard of them. > let alone your encyclopedic - -paedic.. Tsk tsk taking on Americanizms.... > knowledge of how they sound, therefore I am > confident that Nathan Robertson's Declaration of > Complete Lack of Australian Musical Talent is > something the national music industry awaits with > baited breath so it can finally put an end to its > miserable existence. lol well I'd probably be doing it a favour. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:23:33 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:50:22 +1100 (EST), Julian P wrote: >That may be good and well, but it doesn't seem to make very much >sense to support a shitty little local coffee shop just because it >isn't Starbucks. Support them if and because their coffee is good, >or because they have tasty tasty friands and melting moments and >canoli that you would sell your own mother for and. Oh, wait, what >were we talking about? Oh, yes, support them because they are good, >not because they are local. I can name maybe 5 bands/performers that >are both Australian and good ... and I support them. The rest of can >sod off. I'm happy with Tori "mega-grande-gingerbread-frappaccino" >Amos. Yeah, I knew coffee shops wasn't a good comparison here, but The Evil Starbucks was such an obvious choice that I couldn't help myself. The problem with it is that coffee can pretty easily be said to be sucky, good, better, best, and whatever's best is what you'll keep going back for. Music's slightly different in that two bands can both be "best" and yet both be different. I'm just saying that difference is good. Support both. Only, also be aware that the American ones are going to be supported more simply because America owns the media factory, and if Australian music is going to survive when there's so much going against it, it needs its supporters to be proactive. If you hate it, for heaven's sake, hate it. I'm by no means saying that you should drop your standards for the sake of an ideology. If you like it, though, I don't see anything at all wrong with reminding people that the Aussie acts are there and wanting support. Which is what the original bitch was about. Or something. ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:35:19 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > Andrew, Andrew, ANDREW!!!..... *bangs head against > keyboard*.. > > Do you actually *listen* to Tori's albums... or do you > just collect them because they 'look nice' & you leave > them on display?! :P Well... the latter of course. :) WHY!?! What ELSE are you supposed to do with them? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:35:54 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst pong poll > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > I can listen to Northern Lad.. the "because of the > rain" bits are OK.. but the music in the verses sounds > so... Mariah Carey ballad-esque.. What!?! She reaches notes that only dogs can hear... in the name of music!?! :) Talking about Mariah Hairy, supposedly she is on Rove on Tuesday - I wonder if that is a cue for another mental breakdown!?! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:38:15 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee Rebecca Appleton wrote: >Yeah, I knew coffee shops wasn't a good comparison here, but The Evil >Starbucks was such an obvious choice that I couldn't help myself. >The problem with it is that coffee can pretty easily be said to be >sucky, good, better, best, and whatever's best is what you'll keep >going back for. Music's slightly different in that two bands can >both be "best" and yet both be different. I'm just saying that >difference is good. Support both. Only, also be aware that the >American ones are going to be supported more simply because America >owns the media factory, and if Australian music is going to survive >when there's so much going against it, it needs its supporters to be >proactive. If you hate it, for heaven's sake, hate it. I'm by no >means saying that you should drop your standards for the sake of an >ideology. If you like it, though, I don't see anything at all wrong >with reminding people that the Aussie acts are there and wanting >support. Which is what the original bitch was about. Or something. I agree about the diversity = good aspect of what you just said. What really annoys me though about some Australian music (and most Australian TV and 99% of Australian films) is how they force themselves into this narrow little "Australian" mold. Like they have to beat you over the head with just how Australian they are. And you must conform to the rigid guidelines of the "Australian Product" or be banished (Nick Cave was basically told to leave Australia, despite being one of the most talented musicians this country has *ever* produced). *That* shits me. But, again, I will say that the Australian music industry is less guilty of the above than the film and television industries. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Hint Dropper - - Avoid getting hideous gifts this Christmas with Yahoo! Hint Dropper! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 17:39:01 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Julian P Oh, yes, > support them because they are good, not because they are local. I can name > maybe 5 bands/performers that are both Australian and good ... and I > support them. The rest of can sod off. I'm happy with Tori "mega-grande- > gingerbread-frappaccino" Amos. > Jules > suddenly very hungry Actually, do you know what... I think Australian music, in a way, suffers because of JJJ. I'm talking about all the bands/artists/groups who don't fit the "Living End" basket of JJJ rotations. I mean it was probably only a fluke that george got the airplay on JJJ it did. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:43:13 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Mariah's best bong poll AndrewR wrote: > Talking about Mariah Hairy, supposedly she is on > Rove on Tuesday - I > wonder if that is a cue for another mental > breakdown!?! :) I missed Mariah when she was last on there (um I don't watch Rove either, 'k?)... which I shall rue until my dying day as apparently she was very funny, and a friend said I would have really liked to see it. Apparently her 'advisors' or whatever were trying to signal to her that she had a bit of hair over her eye or something, and Mariah goes, "oh God forbid I should actually have a personality".. LMAO.. She is so cool for saying that. ...now if only the music was half-decent.. mmmmmm. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 23:55:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] and then think well why not and stop for a coffee AndrewR wrote: > Actually, do you know what... I think Australian > music, in a way, > suffers because of JJJ. I'm talking about all the > bands/artists/groups > who don't fit the "Living End" basket of JJJ > rotations. I mean it was > probably only a fluke that george got the airplay on > JJJ it did. I think you have a point here Andz. In Australia, you've either got to be a manufactured Pop Stars-esque or soapie-star-cum-'singer' to get played on the commecial stations... or a boring MOR type established rawk act... or some 'Living End' type, under-produced fusion of guitars & noise with shouted nasally vocals to get played on JJJ. I cringe when November "Oz music month" comes around every year (well I would if I still listened to JJJ). Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #354 ****************************