From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #353 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, November 25 2002 Volume 02 : Number 353 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [oztori] Your dream Tori concert? ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] NET50!!! ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] NET50!!! ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] NET50!!! [Rebecca Appleton ] [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? [Nathan "®"] Re: [oztori] yeh right ["M.T. -Oz" ] Re: [oztori] yeh right ["Henry S." ] Re: [oztori] yeh right [Rebecca Appleton ] [oztori] Re: Melbourne Meet Up ["Jennifer Teapot" ] [oztori] Tori's worst song poll [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? [Natha] RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? [Rebecca App] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["riot poofter" ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? [R] RE: [oztori] NET50!!! [Rebecca Appleton ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll ["Nadyne Mielke" ] RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll [Nathan "®" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:23:59 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Your dream Tori concert? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 1:59 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] Your dream Tori concert? > > Julian "Pinder on the wedding list" [Kate Bush ref.] > wrote: > > > The Fender Rhodes and the W|rlitzer. Oh, and if you > > are Tori's way (iiiiiiiiiiif you're by, and you > > haaaaaave the tiiiiiiime), please feel free to smash > > them. ;-) > > heheheh agreed. > > Plus Tori's also played the harmonium on tour, but > that was ok. (just like how Beenie lost the sunset and > that is ok too :) Harmonium!! That's the thing I couldn't remember. I liked that. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:28:30 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Julian P > Sent: Sunday, 24 November 2002 3:06 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! > > To summarise: > > Andrew listed a number of reasons why we should all vote for ASF in the > Net 50. > > Henry listen a roughly equal number of reasons why we need *not* vote for > ASF in the Net 50. > > To Andrew's list of reasons to vote I add this one: > > Decisions as to where an artists tours are made largely based on > commercial/financial grounds. Simply put: if it is considered that > sufficient seats can be sold in a location to cover expenses and make a > tidy profit, then there are good chances that an artist will perform in > that location. One guage of whether an artist will be able to sell > sufficent seats is record sales. Another is airplay and "buzz". Moreover, > the two are interrelated, in that it could be said that airplay/buzz > generates sales (which in turn may produce further buzz -- if the work is > of sufficient quality -- to generate further airplay and further sales and > so on). > > I doubt it is a coincidence that Tori's mast major mainstream radio hit in > Australia (CFG) was contemporaneous with her last Aussie tour. > > To conclude: a big radio hit would *slightly* increase our chances of > seeing her here -- from really bloody fucking unlikely to really bloody > unlikely. And that JJJ *might* even be a 'sponsor' or what ever. You know like you see an ad "Brought to you by Nathan Robertson Tours in conjunction with Triple J". Or sumkthin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:30:27 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > P'raps. But part of it is up to Tori as well. Can > you justify a reason for her doing shows in Portland, > Austria, and Italy in the last year (cunt'ries for > which English is not the main language... Portland... Oregon!?! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:34:38 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > > I think the best bet of Tori coming here other than > dragging her here ourselves is: if her career > suddenly 'dies' everywhere in the world, but > miracurously 'takes off' in Australia like.. in a huge > way. And then she re-locates here & just tours > Australia :) > > > Nathan. There was a thing on Entertainment Extra or something, on Fuckstell the otherday where they were giving the prices that some artists/bands charge for a concert/performance - say if you were having a launch of some product/toilet music for the really rich, I'd guess - I don't think it was a normal tour price list thing. But there were some of the CRAPPIEST artists there charging like 10,000 bucks for a performance. *rollseyes* Then you go up to like 200,000 for Shania Twain or some shite. Who would pay that!?! I wonder how much Tori would be? We could all put in $1000 (i.e. sell all our collections or something!) :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:44:26 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:34:38 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >I wonder how much Tori would be? We could all put in $1000 (i.e. sell >all our collections or something!) :) > Hah, how cool an idea is that? Not that I have $1000 lying around to spare or anything, but assuming she never tours here again, and the only option is to go see her in the US, obviously $1000 would be cheaper than paying for a flight. Not to mention you could have a small, intimate performance and demand that it be just her and a piano, etc. Hee! I like this! ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 02:49:34 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? Rebecca Appleton wrote: > On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:34:38 +1000, AndrewR wrote: > >I wonder how much Tori would be? We could all put > in $1000 (i.e. > sell > >all our collections or something!) :) > > > > Hah, how cool an idea is that? Not that I have > $1000 lying around to > spare or anything, but assuming she never tours here > again, and the > only option is to go see her in the US, obviously > $1000 would be > cheaper than paying for a flight. Not to mention > you could have a > small, intimate performance and demand that it be > just her and a > piano, etc. Hee! I like this! Yes! How much is everyone prepared to chip in? I'd maybe go $1k. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:30:08 +1000 From: "M.T. -Oz" Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right > > >well, she had a hit about female genital > > mutilation. i think thats more > > >imptressive. > > what song was that? > >Cornflake Girl. so how is this song about that?? MARK NOT MATT _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2002 03:36:59 -0800 From: "Henry S." Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right On Sun, 24 November 2002, "M.T. -Oz" wrote: > > > > >well, she had a hit about female genital > > > mutilation. i think thats more > > > >imptressive. > > > what song was that? > > > >Cornflake Girl. > > so how is this song about that?? > Was curious about this myself, so found the answer from yessaid.com: So Cornflake, Bells, and Waitress are a triangle together. Part of this record is dealing with the betrayal of women, between women. These three, Cornflake is, Ive been reading Possessing the Secret of Joy by Alice Walker. It went in depth of just women betraying women, and how the mothers really sold their daughters to the butchers, and had their genitalia removed, et cetera." -- Ms. Amos learning something new every day, Henry. self-made-man@shawcross.org "A self-made man may prefer a self-made name." - --Learned Hand - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:36:35 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:30:08 +1000, M.T. -Oz wrote: >>>>well, she had a hit about female genital >>>mutilation. i think thats more >>>>imptressive. >>>what song was that? >> >>Cornflake Girl. > >so how is this song about that?? > It's not, Mark-not-matt, it's *inspired by* (a book about) FGM, a point which people can never seem to remember*. It's a song about, as Henry wrote, betrayal amongst women. FGM being performed on women, by women, is pretty exemplary of that premise, and is, as documented, an inspiration for the idea as explored by Tori. Tori's song is impressive as an exploration of how women can be shits to each other, not as an exploration of FGM (if you want the real impressiveness on that issue, you should read the book by Alice Walker). I think Roozi was just trying to win the argument when he wrote the above, right Roozi? ~Becc :) * And which irks me for reasons I couldn't be fucked explaining cuz I just tried and it was taking too long. - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:59:00 +0000 From: "Jennifer Teapot" Subject: [oztori] Re: Melbourne Meet Up Um, WHEN is this meet up?! ************************************************ Now Playing: "A Country Practice" Please Visit: http://datura.notsweet.net "Help, Marge! The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me!" 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Not that I have > > $1000 lying around to > > spare or anything, but assuming she never tours here > > again, and the > > only option is to go see her in the US, obviously > > $1000 would be > > cheaper than paying for a flight. Not to mention > > you could have a > > small, intimate performance and demand that it be > > just her and a > > piano, etc. Hee! I like this! > > Yes! > > How much is everyone prepared to chip in? > > I'd maybe go $1k. > > > Nathan. We could have fund-raising events!! :) Miss Tori could put a few shows Dylan! :) We'd probably have to tell Tori that she has to leave the 'band' at home I reckon - or at least the massuess, chef, manacurist, taste-tester, loin-warmer, therapist, fire-marshall, make-up artist (the one who iced her face for letterman at least). Etc etc. She could stay at one of our houses on a fold-up! :) LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:32:58 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] yeh starboard > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Rebecca Appleton > It's not, Mark-not-matt, it's *inspired by* (a book about) FGM, a > point which people can never seem to remember Isn't that a magazine or something? ;) > ~Becc :) > > * And which irks me for reasons I couldn't be fucked explaining cuz I > just tried and it was taking too long. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:34:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll The ex-dent forums have a thread on this now. http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164989 Results so far: 1000 Oceans 17 15.74% Agent Orange 13 12.04% China 17 15.74% Datura 5 4.63% Happy Worker 27 25.00% Pandora's Aquarium 1 0.93% Riot Poof 2 1.85% Sister Named Desire 16 14.81% Twinkle 3 2.78% The Wrong Band 7 6.48% Total: 108 I voted Sister Named Desire, of course. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:39:22 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? AndrewR wrote: > We could have fund-raising events!! :) Miss Tori > could put a few shows > Dylan! :) hahahaha. *snort* Or we could have an oztori "Bitch-a-thon" - where we each gather sponsors who pay us 50c for each bitchy e-mail we send to this list... > We'd probably have to tell Tori that she has to > leave the 'band' at home > I reckon - Oh for SURE! Better yet, give them the excuse, "you can come if you want (out of your own pocket), but don't expect us to provide transport for you once you get here - we've already got something in the boot" :) > make-up > artist (the one who iced > her face for letterman at least). lol.. If she stopped using make-up for about 3 days she probably would have saved enough $ to come here herself. Has anyone got a (semi)-decently tuned piano for her to play too? Maybe we can also rent a harpsichord from somewhere... hehehe. But the Rhodes/whatever TF it's called is NOT coming out! *period* And Tori is banned from singing Leather (don't hate the song but she does this like all the time and it never changes), China, (The) Waitress, and 1000 Oceans. She will, however, be allowed to perform Sister Named Desire after downing 6 shots of str8 vodka, however. > She could stay at one of our houses on a fold-up! :) Or out in the garage with the dogs. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:48:13 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 19:39:22 -0800 (PST), Nathan ". wrote: >Has anyone got a (semi)-decently tuned piano for her >to play too? Maybe we can also rent a harpsichord >from somewhere... hehehe. But the Rhodes/whatever TF Well, I've got a piano in my spare room... it ain't a grand and it hasn't been tuned for a good two years, but it's in tune enough. I couldn't allow any 'Bells for Her' requests though. ;-) And harpsichord? Couldn't we solve this one with a nice keyboard/synthesiser that does Harpsichord with the press of a button? *grin* ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:48:03 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:34 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > > The ex-dent forums have a thread on this now. > > http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164989 > > > Results so far: > > 1000 Oceans 17 15.74% > Agent Orange 13 12.04% > China 17 15.74% > Datura 5 4.63% > Happy Worker 27 25.00% > Pandora's Aquarium 1 0.93% > Riot Poof 2 1.85% > Sister Named Desire 16 14.81% > Twinkle 3 2.78% > The Wrong Band 7 6.48% Total: 108 Where is half of SLG? (not HER songs per se - but she still performed/recorded/released them) I'd be voting for Enjoy The Frikkin Silence! :) The Wrong Band is GREAT! And people don't give Twinkle enough... time. Cause it's at the end of 70mins of a great album - and well, you need to have it on repeat for a while to understand it's true beauty. DATURA!?!?!?! Pandora's Aquarium!?!? Riot Poof!?!?!! And China, AO, SND and 1000O aren't THAT bad. Where are the tracks from "Still Orbiting"!?! I'd be putting She's Your Cocaine in there. *ducks* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:52:36 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:39 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how > much are YOU prepared to pitch in? > > AndrewR wrote: > > > We could have fund-raising events!! :) Miss Tori > > could put a few shows > > Dylan! :) > > hahahaha. *snort* > > Or we could have an oztori "Bitch-a-thon" - where we > each gather sponsors who pay us 50c for each bitchy > e-mail we send to this list... > > > > We'd probably have to tell Tori that she has to > > leave the 'band' at home > > I reckon - > > Oh for SURE! Better yet, give them the excuse, "you > can come if you want (out of your own pocket), but > don't expect us to provide transport for you once you > get here - we've already got something in the boot" :) > Yeah 3 bodies a la '97 B&C' :) > > > make-up > > artist (the one who iced > > her face for letterman at least). > > lol.. If she stopped using make-up for about 3 days > she probably would have saved enough $ to come here > herself. > > Has anyone got a (semi)-decently tuned piano for her > to play too? Maybe we can also rent a harpsichord > from somewhere... I know the ABC studios at Ferry Rd. In Brisbane have a Harpsicord. > > She could stay at one of our houses on a fold-up! :) > > Or out in the garage with the dogs. Nah, I think at a nice Caravan Park'd be nice. :) > > > Nathan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 13:54:17 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > > Nathan . > > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 1:34 PM > > To: oztori@smoe.org > > Subject: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > > > > The ex-dent forums have a thread on this now. > > > > http://www.atforumz.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=164989 Forget THAT! You have to register to those damn forums. No thanks! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:15:54 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: [oztori] Taxi Ride Just how cool is this track!?! Love it. So it was originally "Just Another Dead Fag"? Can anyone match any of the other tracks on SW with any of those earlier titles? Snow Cherries from France, Zero Point, To the Fair Motormaids of Japan etc.? Wasn't Zero Point a big 'epic'-y type song? Maybe it was Gold Dust? Andrew (I typed oxtori@smoe.org!) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 20:46:59 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll AndrewR wrote: > Where is half of SLG? (not HER songs per se - but > she still > performed/recorded/released them) I'd be voting for > Enjoy The Frikkin > Silence! :) Yes I did have that thought after reading the poll - 'where are the bloomin' awful SLG songz?' My guess is.. the SLG songs weren't even *memorable* enough to get included in this poll - ie, another case of 'best forgotten'. As for ETS... Yeah Tori needs a good telling-off for ruining that song! > The Wrong Band is GREAT! I know! People just don't like it b/c I think Tori doesn't think that much of it now... ie, they are clones who blindly follow their leader. And then people say they don't like it b/c supposedly it is responsible for Tori not putting "Honey" on UTP. I personally don't think Honey would fit well onto that album (with the theme of it), so I don't really see this. > And people don't give > Twinkle enough... time. Twinkle's OK to listen to if you're already half asleep and you want to get the full job done :) > DATURA!?!?!?! I know! I think Datura is one o' the best things Tori's ever done - well certainly one of the most 'bold, adventurous' things. The "is there room in my heart.." bit I think is one of her most sublime things ever recorded. > Where are the tracks from "Still Orbiting"!?! Hehehe yes. But they're in live format so I guess don't really 'count'. > I'd be putting She's Your Cocaine in there. *ducks* I like SYC akshually. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:07:58 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > > 1000 Oceans 17 15.74% > > Agent Orange 13 12.04% > > China 17 15.74% > > Datura 5 4.63% > > Happy Worker 27 25.00% > > Pandora's Aquarium 1 0.93% > > Riot Poof 2 1.85% > > Sister Named Desire 16 14.81% > > Twinkle 3 2.78% > > The Wrong Band 7 6.48% Total: 108 except for "china" i like *all* of those songs. personally, i nominate "i'm not in love". that song actually makes me shudder. that's unless remixes count, in which case there is no contest: "talula (bts infernal nevere ending 40 hr famine mix)" is a clear winner! i guess china wins if you can't count covers tho... i don't really dislike mant tori songs to be honest... and as for tha bove list, well, i say bah! to whoever put "riot poof" on there. bloody homophobes :) xx Roozi _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:08:52 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? Monday, November 25, 2002, 1:39:22 PM, Nathan wrote: N.> Has anyone got a (semi)-decently tuned piano for her N.> to play too? Maybe we can also rent a harpsichord N.> from somewhere... hehehe. But the Rhodes/whatever TF i could most likely arrange a boesendorfer for a performance in brisbane... :) N.> it's called is NOT coming out! *period* And Tori is N.> banned from singing Leather (don't hate the song but oh yeah? you and whose army - i *want* to hear leather, dammit! (mind you, an ideal performance would be at least 4 hours long, a small crowd, and be made up purely of requests.) zac - ---- zac ariel; web addict and dsl junkie m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@internode.on.net w: http://www.level21.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:13:21 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right >It's not, Mark-not-matt, it's *inspired by* (a book about) FGM, a >point which people can never seem to remember*. It's a song about, >as Henry wrote, betrayal amongst women. FGM being performed on >women, by women, is pretty exemplary of that premise, and is, as >documented, an inspiration for the idea as explored by Tori. > >Tori's song is impressive as an exploration of how women can be shits >to each other, not as an exploration of FGM (if you want the real >impressiveness on that issue, you should read the book by Alice >Walker). I think Roozi was just trying to win the argument when he well, having actually reda the bloody book, i think cornflake girl alludes to more than just the themes of betryal amongst women etc... "peel out the watchword" peel = scrape watchword = something you don't discuss = clitoris thus the song could be quite graphically dealing with FGM... the imagery at least, even if it is as a metaphor for betrayal amongst women and "this is not real, this is not really happening, hey... you bet your life it is" fits my interp too. of course this is just my reading, but i think it makes sense. Roozi _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? Zac Ariel wrote: > oh yeah? you and whose army - i *want* to hear > leather, dammit! (mind > you, an ideal performance would be at least 4 hours > long, a small > crowd, and be made up purely of requests.) Yes! Tori could be our juke-box slave... and do a cover of "I Love Rock and Roll" ("put another slot in the jukebox honey" as I like to hear it as..heheh). Speaking of Leather, I'd 'lmao' to see Tori perform that one in an s&m club. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:14:40 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right >> > what song was that? >> >>Cornflake Girl. > >so how is this song about that?? > >MARK NOT MATT see my other email, matt, its all explained. Roozi (with a 'z') _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:18:02 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! >but by all means, continue to vote on the net50, for asf, and while you're >at it vote for some other cool tunes, especially, your LOCAL aussie acts, >such as jackie in the morning by gen maynard *g* who gives a shit if their aussie or not?? god i hate pathetic little outbursts of natinalism. bah! australian music mostly sucks and the acts being australian is no bloody reason to vote for them. so kindly stop lecturing us about it. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:31:48 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] yeh right On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:13:21 +1100, riot poofter wrote: >well, having actually reda the bloody book, i think cornflake girl >alludes >to more than just the themes of betryal amongst women etc... Saying it "alludes to" something is different to "is about" something, though. I find it a huuuuge stretch to say that Cornflake Girl is *about* FGM. >"peel out the watchword" >peel = scrape >watchword = something you don't discuss = clitoris *shudders* Thank you for that tense moment. I personally think it works equally well - better, really - if the "something you don't discuss" is a reference to betrayal amongst women. That certainly includes FGM, but sees FGM practices as symptomatic of something that's not spoken about amongst women everywhere (betrayal etc), whether affected personally by FGM or not. To me that incites more responsibility for the average listener; it brings FGM very close to home, when we'd like to believe it's weird turban-heads in other countries who are performing it that have the problem, and nothing to do with us. ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:34:04 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] The "let's get Tori to Austraaaaaya" campaign: how much are YOU prepared to pitch in? On Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:13:57 -0800 (PST), Nathan ". wrote: >Speaking of Leather, I'd 'lmao' to see Tori perform >that one in an s&m club. *rotfl* The image that just put in my head was fucking hilarious. lol ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:46:25 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 16:18:02 +1100, riot poofter wrote: >>but by all means, continue to vote on the net50, for asf, and while >>you're >>at it vote for some other cool tunes, especially, your LOCAL aussie >>acts, >>such as jackie in the morning by gen maynard *g* > >who gives a shit if their aussie or not?? god i hate pathetic little >outbursts of natinalism. bah! australian music mostly sucks and the >acts >being australian is no bloody reason to vote for them. so kindly >stop >lecturing us about it. Yeah, like, c'mooon guys. Why go to your local coffee store when there's a Starbucks just up the road? Being local is no reason to choose them. Think how nice it'll be when every coffee shop in the world is Starbucks and you'll know exactly what you're going to get every time someone pours you a cup of coffee, forever. Even if it's boring and has no pertinence to your life. Leave the promotion of diversity to nature. ~R. :P - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:52:14 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > > I'd be putting She's Your Cocaine in there. *ducks* > > I like SYC akshually. Well, it's either that one or Liquid Diamonds - one or both annoy me. I think it's, again the overbearing presence of the band. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:54:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] FGM (Fun, Glove, Money) Roozeberry Swirl riot poofter wrote: > well, having actually reda the bloody book, i think > cornflake girl alludes > to more than just the themes of betryal amongst > women etc... > > "peel out the watchword" > peel = scrape > watchword = something you don't discuss = clitoris > > thus the song could be quite graphically dealing > with FGM... Has anyone noticed that FGM = MGF (Machine Gun Fellatio) backwards? > the imagery at > least, even if it is as a metaphor for betrayal > amongst women > > and "this is not real, this is not really happening, > hey... you bet your > life it is" fits my interp too. > > of course this is just my reading, but i think it > makes sense. Yup. Also, could the 'raisin' girls not be the ones left with their clitori intact? (here using 'raisin' as a simile for clitoris). Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:55:32 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > riot poofter > Sent: Monday, 25 November 2002 3:08 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll > > > > 1000 Oceans 17 15.74% > > > Agent Orange 13 12.04% > > > China 17 15.74% > > > Datura 5 4.63% > > > Happy Worker 27 25.00% > > > Pandora's Aquarium 1 0.93% > > > Riot Poof 2 1.85% > > > Sister Named Desire 16 14.81% > > > Twinkle 3 2.78% > > > The Wrong Band 7 6.48% Total: 108 > > except for "china" i like *all* of those songs. personally, i nominate > "i'm > not in love" Hang on, now maybe I meant that one in my other post - instead of Enjoy the Silence... I LIKE the one that comes after SLG I hate the one that comes before? Rattlesnakes - the one that sounds like Tori forgot to add the piano track to the song and it was too late before they noticed. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 21:56:54 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! Roozi wrote: > >but by all means, continue to vote on the net50, > for asf, and while you're > >at it vote for some other cool tunes, especially, > your LOCAL aussie acts, > >such as jackie in the morning by gen maynard *g* > > who gives a shit if their aussie or not?? god i hate > pathetic little > outbursts of natinalism. bah! australian music > mostly sucks and the acts > being australian is no bloody reason to vote for > them. so kindly stop > lecturing us about it. YES Roozi I want to have your lustchild (hahah imagine what a fucked up one it would be too)... 100% agreed. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:05:53 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll AndrewR wrote: > Hang on, now maybe I meant that one in my other post > - instead of Enjoy > the Silence... I LIKE the one that comes after SLG I > hate the one that > comes before? Rattlesnakes - the one that sounds > like Tori forgot to add > the piano track to the song and it was too late > before they noticed. Andrew, Andrew, ANDREW!!!..... *bangs head against keyboard*.. Do you actually *listen* to Tori's albums... or do you just collect them because they 'look nice' & you leave them on display?! :P Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 01:24:04 -0500 From: "Nadyne Mielke" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll "AndrewR" said: > Well, it's either that one or Liquid Diamonds - one > or both annoy me. I think it's, again the > overbearing presence of the band. I'm not particularly a fan of either 'She's Your Cocaine' or 'Liquid Diamonds', but the one song off of FtCH that just shits me to tears is 'Northern Lad'. Ugh. That song, whether album or live, makes me want to go stick my head in the microwave. I can at least listen to the other songs on the album, but I just can't stand that song. I'd listen to anything off of SLG before even considering NL. /nm ------------------------------ Date: 24 Nov 2002 22:30:33 -0800 From: "Henry S." Subject: RE: [oztori] NET50!!! On Sun, 24 November 2002, "riot poofter" wrote: > > >but by all means, continue to vote on the net50, for asf, and while you're > >at it vote for some other cool tunes, especially, your LOCAL aussie acts, > >such as jackie in the morning by gen maynard *g* > > who gives a shit if their aussie or not?? god i hate pathetic little > outbursts of natinalism. bah! australian music mostly sucks and the acts > being australian is no bloody reason to vote for them. so kindly stop > lecturing us about it. Roozi, I like you a hell of a lot, but sometimes even I think you've got your head up your arse. The whole point of supporting local acts (which happen to be Australian because funnily enough that's where we all live) is giving new, up-and-coming talent which has yet to be given the financial backing of some powerful multinational record company a little bit of airplay. Australian music doesn't "suck" anymore than American, English, Irish, Romanian, Nigerian, Innuit or any other nationality you care to name, it's just that you like to say so to demonstrate how fashionably anti-nationalist you are. In fact I detect a bit of a guilt complex in your words for preferring mostly conservative anti-feminist American & British acts (& yes, I mean Tori) who get a lot of money thrown at them--which is hardly the done thing among trendy young pomo queers, is it? (And next time you're on MSN Messenger having a chat to my sister, I'm sure she'd love you to tell her that her band sucks because all the members are Australian citizens & they are an unsigned local act.) Henry. self-made-man@shawcross.org "A self-made man may prefer a self-made name." - --Learned Hand - ------------------------------------------------------------- Sign up for ICQmail at http://www.icq.com/icqmail/signup.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2002 22:30:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Tori's worst song poll Nadyne Mielke wrote: > I'm not particularly a fan of either 'She's Your > Cocaine' or 'Liquid Diamonds', but the one song off > of > FtCH that just shits me to tears is 'Northern Lad'. > > Ugh. That song, whether album or live, makes me > want > to go stick my head in the microwave. I can at > least > listen to the other songs on the album, but I just > can't stand that song. I'd listen to anything off > of > SLG before even considering NL. mmmmmmmyes Tori's churned out a few 'sub-par' 'unz 'asn't she? I can listen to Northern Lad.. the "because of the rain" bits are OK.. but the music in the verses sounds so... Mariah Carey ballad-esque.. not to mention the questionable "this cake just isn't done" lyrics. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #353 ****************************