From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #336 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Thursday, November 14 2002 Volume 02 : Number 336 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] Supposed other upcoming Scarlet's Web b-sides [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] SW chart success (or lack of at this point) [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] fags, poofs, fucking etc. [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] fags, poofs, fucking etc. [Rebecca Appleton ] [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits ["Bindy ." ] Re: [oztori] Bjork Bjork Bjork (aka The Swedish Chef OST) ["Bindy ." ] [oztori] Str8 from the mouth of Julian P's spokesperson (OT) [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] sound production [Shane Goh ] Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits ["Bindy ." ] Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits ["Nadyne Mielke" ] Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits [Shane Goh ] Re: [oztori] Str8 from the mouth of Julian P's spokesperson (OT) ["Bindy ] Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] sound production [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits (again) [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Next SW Single [Nathan "®" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:10:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Supposed other upcoming Scarlet's Web b-sides Indian Summer Mountain Seaside. That's all. TomBigBee has apparently already been taken down. (I still haven't 'checked' Scarlet's Web out.. I got the impression it's shite). Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 09:21:39 +0000 From: "Jennifer Teapot" Subject: [oztori] SW chart success (or lack of at this point) Would the lack of chart success of Scarlet's Walk (heh, see subject line) have anything to do with the fact that the Limited Edition version is probably the only one selling and the fact that it is actually limited wouldn't go on the charts? Barely anyone sounds like they are buying the regular version, so wouldn't the sales of that version go on the charts? ************************************************ Now Playing: "Celebrity Skin" - Hole Please Visit: http://datura.notsweet.net "Help, Marge! The doll's trying to kill me and the toaster's been laughing at me!" Homer Simpson ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] scarlet's web Hi all, Just spent a mildly entertaining half an hour or so exploring Scarlet's Web for the first time (it's not too bad & I've got nothing else to do anyway atm). So far, I've only gone through the SW part--it seems to stop at Wednesday--is that what other ppl have found? I noticed there was some newsflash thing about "new stops along the trail will be added later", so maybe the intention is to put new "artefacts" for the rest of the album over a period of time... kinda disappointing because I was just getting in to it. (I've played little else but SW since I first finally got it on Friday, so the "artefacts" really made sense--esp the "journal entry" about Wednesday.) The "Native Lands" and "Tour" section don't seem to do anything except show locations--is that right? (even the cities where Tori's played by now show nothing...) Apparently "the unreleased song is waiting for you in MS", but as I said, the "trail" that leads to MS has no "artefacts" in at as yet. Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 01:53:23 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] SW chart success (or lack of at this point) Jennifer Teapot wrote: > Would the lack of chart success of Scarlet's Walk > (heh, see subject line) Well, SW probably isn't doing *that* 'significantly' worse than her recent releases thusfar ('cept maybe on chart placings in Aus and the UK.. but it's not America so it 'doesn't matter' ;) .... Tori's albums, excepting Little Earthquakes (because nobody knew her then) have ALWAYS sold the most in their first week of release, and then drop quickly - something Epic should have KNOWN, and therefore worked their arses a LOT harder to promote the damn thing *when it mattered most*. > have anything to do with the fact that the Limited > Edition version is > probably the only one selling and the fact that it > is actually limited > wouldn't go on the charts? It should have still counted. And if it truly is that 'limited', there wouldn't be enough copies of it around to make a signficiant difference. If anything, the Limited Edition should have *helped* sales, not hindered them. Ditto with the multiple-covers for SLG. The relative 'lack of success' is probably due to: a) Tori & her record co. basically neglecting "the world outside of America" of late - I mean, Tori only did ONE show in Europe (London) in 1999, and a handful last year. I'm not even going to comment on her lack of awareness of the entire southern hemisphere since 1994 ;) b) Little to no promotion. As someone 'said' online that I read: if you weren't searching/waiting for a new release from Tori, you'd never know it was out. c) Damage done from 'lack of quality' releases of late (not mentioning names, SLG). d) Tori's getting older. She probably doesn't appeal to 'sprightly young things' as she may have once done. e) Angsty teenagers grow up and move on to other artists to reflect their calmer/happier states. (lmao... j/k here.. but only slightly!) Another interesting thing to note is: as a whole, Tori's music has possibly (oooh note my cautious terms here?) become more "accessible" to the 'mainstream' since From the Choirgirl Hotel (note introduction of band, songs like Raspberry Swirl and 1000 Oceans, less emphasis on the piano). Ironically, her sales have steadily declined since then. Yet her 'less accessible'/'listener unfriendly' earlier material such as BFP sold better. Think there's a lesson for Tori there maybe. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:06:16 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] fags, poofs, fucking etc. These naughty words could see teenage fans denied access to Tori, it would seem: "Australians under 18 years old could soon be barred from purchasing CDs by arists such as Eminem, the Rolling Stones, and Tori Amos, under a new restrictive classification. The Australian Record Industry Association (ARIA) and the Australian Music Retailers Association (AMRA) is revising the criteria for classification of CDs after talks with the government." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2453315.stm (I have to admit Tori Amos isn't the first user of "offensive" language that springs to mind... hmmm...) Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:10:04 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] fags, poofs, fucking etc. Henry (pronounced "on-ray" ;) Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > These naughty words could see teenage fans denied > access to Tori, it would seem: > > "Australians under 18 years old could soon be barred > from purchasing CDs by arists such as Eminem, the > Rolling Stones, and Tori Amos, under a new > restrictive > classification. > > The Australian Record Industry Association (ARIA) > and > the Australian Music Retailers Association (AMRA) is > revising the criteria for classification of CDs > after > talks with the government." > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2453315.stm > I've not looked up the site, but is this not an old article? It sounds awfully familiar to something I saw ages ago. But as for the censorship.. OMG.. how stupid. They only need to waltz past any high school yard at lunch time to hear much worse already being used by these 'youngins'. > (I have to admit Tori Amos isn't the first user of > "offensive" language that springs to mind... > hmmm...) I think I would die laughing it Tori put out a tough "rock chick" song where she screamed "fuck you, motherfucker" over and over into the mic. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 20:16:44 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] fags, poofs, fucking etc. On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 02:06:16 -0800 (PST), Too Much wrote: >These naughty words could see teenage fans denied >access to Tori, it would seem: > >"Australians under 18 years old could soon be barred >from purchasing CDs by arists such as Eminem, the >Rolling Stones, and Tori Amos, under a new restrictive >classification. > What the...! They're disturbed about Eminem because he says a few naughty words, and not because he's a homophobic misogynist cretin? I'm not advocating censorship, but fuck, a little consistency here, people... If you use a four-letter word with good reason, it's a bit different to just spitting em out of your mouth to look all rebellious and such. And meh, as if anyone under 18 wouldn't just get some older friend or family member to buy the album for them anyway... dumb! ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:15:47 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] (semi)-OT: Bjork is doing worse than SW Bjork's "Greatest Hits" (aka "what is the point?" ;) debuted at #84 this week in Oz, and #53 in the UK... ..which begs the question: when/if Atlantic get their shit together and put out a Tori "Greatest Hits" (sic)... how 'well' would it actually sell? Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 12:39:32 +1100 From: Shane Goh Subject: Re: [oztori] (semi)-OT: Bjork is doing worse than SW Nathan "." wrote: > Bjork's "Greatest Hits" (aka "what is the point?" ;) > debuted at #84 this week in Oz, and #53 in the UK... > > ..which begs the question: when/if Atlantic get their > shit together and put out a Tori "Greatest Hits" > (sic)... how 'well' would it actually sell? Dunno what the bjork "Greatest Hits" has, but if Tori's "Greatest Hits" has at least 1 b-side which I don't have, then I'd buy it. Otherwise, I'd be in no rush to get a copy. Speaking of b-sides, anyone wanna make me a high quality mp3 (192kbps) of "A Case of You" :) The net ones are pretty disappointing. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:11:08 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] Bjork Bjork Bjork (aka The Swedish Chef OST) Speaking of Bjork, who (up until last week) I *hated* ... I actually bought her Greatest Hits CD this week (I guess I was like the only one) and have been very pleasantly surprised. I've had it on at work all morning ... visitors to my office have been less than pleasantly surprised ... Jules Nathan . wrote:Bjork's "Greatest Hits" (aka "what is the point?" ;) debuted at #84 this week in Oz, and #53 in the UK... ..which begs the question: when/if Atlantic get their shit together and put out a Tori "Greatest Hits" (sic)... how 'well' would it actually sell? Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Careers- 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 18:34:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Ms Gudmundsdottir (OT) Shane Goh wrote: > Dunno what the bjork "Greatest Hits" has, 'tis mosta Bjork's singles (although ironically without her single 'greatest hit', "It's Oh So Quiet") + 1 new song, "It's In Our Hands". > but if > Tori's "Greatest Hits" > has at least 1 b-side which I don't have, Since when have "Greatest Hits" albums had B-SIDES? I don't understand the logic of ppl on the @forums who think that songs like Honey and non-singles like Tear In Your Hand might make Tori's "Greatest Hits"! If anything, expect just most of Tori's Atlantic singles. > Speaking of b-sides, anyone wanna make me a high > quality mp3 (192kbps) > of "A Case of You" :) > The net ones are pretty disappointing. Well "A Case of You" was obviously recorded pre-FTCH, when all of Tori's albums sound 'quieter' production-wise. Julian P wrote: > Speaking of Bjork, who (up until last week) I > *hated* ... I actually bought her Greatest Hits CD > this week WHY would you buy an album of somebody you "*hated*"? Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:20:12 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits > > but if > > Tori's "Greatest Hits" > > has at least 1 b-side which I don't have, > >Since when have "Greatest Hits" albums had B-SIDES? I >don't understand the logic of ppl on the @forums who >think that songs like Honey and non-singles like Tear >In Your Hand might make Tori's "Greatest Hits"! If >anything, expect just most of Tori's Atlantic singles. Just with this whole Greatest Hits thing for Tori, wouldn't it had to have been released before SW was? Being that the contract would of had to have been finalised before continuing with Epic, wouldn't this be a breach of contract if a Greatest Hits album was released now? My thoughts is that SLG was the completion of the contract. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 13:36:00 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] Bjork Bjork Bjork (aka The Swedish Chef OST) Jules wrote: >Speaking of Bjork, who (up until last week) I *hated* ... I actually > >bought her Greatest Hits CD this week (I guess I was like the only >one) >and have been very pleasantly surprised. >I've had it on at work all morning ... visitors to my office have been > >less than pleasantly surprised ... How could you have not liked her in the first place? Norti boi! Completely OT (as if the rest wasn't) - The Swedish Chef is a legend "Xder tis moodle in der noggin tu smacken der ouchey und vinger-slingers ur to smacken-backen und fix de morkin, yxobetcha!" Translation: "The colored noodle that you used to smack my head really hurt and I'm thinking of smacking you back to fix that, you betcha!" Yes I am bored. Nooken ke doodle at de worken! I'm BORK BORK BORK! ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:48:43 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits "Bindy ." wrote: > Just with this whole Greatest Hits thing for Tori, > wouldn't it had to have > been released before SW was? No. Atlantic can still put one out with any of the songs Tori did whilst signed to them. > Being that the > contract would of had would *have* had > to have > been finalised before continuing with Epic, No 'twouldn't. > wouldn't > this be a breach of > contract if a Greatest Hits album was released now? No. Atlantic 'own' the songs - they can do what they like with them. > My thoughts is that SLG was the completion of the > contract. No. Tori said in an interview this year that Atlantic were planning a "Greatest Hits". Tracklisting: 1) Cornflake Girl 2) Professional Widow (remix) ;) nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 19:52:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Str8 from the mouth of Julian P's spokesperson (OT) "Bindy ." wrote of Julian P: > Norti boi! Bindy, may I remind you that Julian is not a "boi"... nor should anyone else be. I LOATHE that spelling. "Norti" though, is acceptible ;) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:55:07 +1100 From: Shane Goh Subject: Re: [oztori] sound production Nathan "." wrote: > Well "A Case of You" was obviously recorded pre-FTCH, > when all of Tori's albums sound 'quieter' > production-wise. Actually, none of Tori's albums sound fantastic. The sound is a bit dull. Not sure how else to describe it except there is a noticeable difference in sound quality when compared to a few albums I have by other artists. Anyone else find this? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:02:16 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits Nathan wrote B> > Just with this whole Greatest Hits thing for Tori, B> > wouldn't it had to have B> > been released before SW was? N>No. Atlantic can still put one out with any of the N>songs Tori did whilst signed to them. Then they would be restricted in not being able to but a new song on there at least, as most Greatest Hits albums do, so what the hell would they have as a selling point? B> > Being that the B> > contract would of had N>would *have* had Nayth .... BITE ME! :P *wiggles fingers and blows raspberries in your direction* ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:03:36 -0500 From: "Nadyne Mielke" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits "Bindy ." said: > Just with this whole Greatest Hits thing for Tori, > wouldn't it had to have been released before SW > was? Being that the contract would of had to have > been finalised before continuing with Epic, wouldn't > this be a breach of contract if a Greatest Hits > album was released now? > My thoughts is that SLG was the completion of the > contract. SLG is one album shy of completing Tori's contract. The forthcoming greatest-hits compilation will complete Tori's contract with Atlantic. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:09:10 +1100 From: Shane Goh Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits "Bindy ." wrote: > Nathan wrote > N>No. Atlantic can still put one out with any of the > N>songs Tori did whilst signed to them. > > Then they would be restricted in not being able to but a new song on there > at least, as most Greatest Hits albums do, so what the hell would they have > as a selling point? Throw in some b-sides! :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 14:10:55 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] Str8 from the mouth of Julian P's spokesperson (OT) Nathan wrote: B> > Norti boi! B>Bindy, may I remind you that Julian is not a "boi"... B>nor should anyone else be. I LOATHE that spelling. B>"Norti" though, is acceptible ;) Again, Nayth .... BITE ME .... BOI! :P *wiggles fingers and blows raspberries in your direction* And where is the logic is accepting "norti" but not "boi". You silly! ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:43:24 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits > > at least, as most Greatest Hits albums do, so what the hell would they >have > > as a selling point? > >Throw in some b-sides! :) selling point #1 heaps of people have heard of tori, like tori, used to have earthquakes or pink and/or feel that they *should* have a tori album... i reckon itwould sell bloody well to these types of people... the sort of people who own lots of best of albums eg tracy chapman's selling point #2 i reckon atlantic would be mad not to include smells like teen spirit and maybe even blue skies (as a bonus track tacked on the end after *that* remix)... the former got more attention than pretty much any of tori's own songs but, yeah it would primarily be singles, although cunningly called 'the best of' or something (ie not 'greatest hits') to allow them to put whatever they like on it! (cf. 'the very best of toni childs') and if they added the singles versions of certain tracks then that might help sell the album to a few toriphiles too (those that aren't buying singles) a potential tracklist (this could vary in different counties) 1. silent all these years 2. me and a gun 3. crucify 4. winter 5. cornflake girl 6. god 7. pretty good year 8. caught a lite sneeze 9. talula (tornado mix) 10. hey jupiter (dakota version) 11. spark 12. jackie's strength OR raspberry swirl 13. bliss 14. 1000 oceans OR glory of the 80s 15. strange little girl 16. smells like teen spirit bonus tracks: 17 professional widow (its got to be big) - remix 18 blue skies (bt feat. tori amos) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 15:54:44 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Ms Gudmundsdottir (OT) >Since when have "Greatest Hits" albums had B-SIDES? I >don't understand the logic of ppl on the @forums who >think that songs like Honey and non-singles like Tear >In Your Hand might make Tori's "Greatest Hits"! If >anything, expect just most of Tori's Atlantic singles. 'greatest hits' or 'best-of' albums will have whatever the record company thinks will sell best! except in bjork's case, where her tiny record company owes her for its very existence and thus she does what she likes! to use my tired toni childs example again (very tired, i know, but relevant b/c she, like tori, had very few hits to speak of - although more of her songs made the top 20 in aust than tori's have!), the record company decided that even the single from her third album was bets avoided and thus made a 'best of' which was 6 tracks from each of her other albums (onewas only 9 tracks to begin with) and a couple of old songs from soundtracks... hence how 'many rivers tro cross' got on there despite childs' own admission that she hadn't sung it once since recording it in 1989! in short, atlantic can - and probably will - put anything on tori's best of, its not like the term 'greatest hits' would be applicable anyway! R ps. anyone heard the wednesday/cooling mp3 (at himh.com) where she fucks up wednesday twice, before ditching it, singinga brief impro about how she hasn't sung it b4 and you should buy it on cd instead and then sings a v lovely version of cooling?? *so* adorable!! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:25:44 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] poor little rich 'girl' (was: SW on UK charts) >I wonder >if Tori is happy with the way things are going with >this album. She does have to make money after all! >-------------------------------------------------------- god this is stupid. tori is already a multi-millionaire ( i read it somewhere, and that was back when pele was released, so she's richer now most likely) and whilst i'm sure she is always keen for more money, its her toruring which makes her rake in the big bucks,a s it is for most artists! what a surprise... a 'denter' said something dumb-ass... I think the fuss overe tori's poor slaes is a bit unnecessary... she's always been mroe of a back catalogue artists... i bet earthquakes and pinks ell about a million copies a year between them world wide now... so her new releases don't really need to be huge for her to stay financially pretty fucking peachy! _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 16:29:44 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Next SW Single > > Nope. No promo of PM was ever released. > >It was, Nayth. It even had exclusive artwork and was sent to radio stations >after all the other Choirgirl singles. But they decided not to release it >as >a single, perhaps because Tori decided to come back with another album >quicker than Atlantic expected. It's scarce, but it's out there baby. have you *seen* a copy? i entreat thee not to argue with nayth unless you have solid proof. its just not worth it. *TRUST ME* Roozi _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2002 01:11:31 -0500 From: "Nadyne Mielke" Subject: Re: [oztori] poor little rich 'girl' (was: SW on UK charts) "riot poofter" said: > god this is stupid. tori is already a multi- > millionaire ( i read it somewhere, and that was back > when pele was released, so she's richer now most > likely) and whilst i'm sure she is always keen for > more money, its her toruring which makes her rake in > the big bucks,a s it is for most artists! Tori lost money on her 1998 tour. Granted, we are talking about a woman who drags a chef and a masseuse on tour with her, and thus those would be considered business expenses for the tour. Regardless, she didn't clear a profit for herself. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:16:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits Roozi riot proof-reader wrote: > selling point #1 heaps of people have heard of tori, > like tori, used to have > earthquakes or pink and/or feel that they *should* > have a tori album... i > reckon itwould sell bloody well to these types of > people... the sort of > people who own lots of best of albums eg tracy > chapman's I've become a "best of" whore over the last 2-3 years. Witness 'best of' purchases from: Space Voice of the Beehive Depeche Mode The Cure Suzanne Vega Peter Gabriel ...et al. And in that time I've probably only bought 5 or so 'proper' new albums. > selling point #2 i reckon atlantic would be mad not > to include smells like > teen spirit They included this both on "New Music From Tori Amos... Is Coming Soon" (kinda 'best of' compile promo pre BFP release), and "Retrospective: The Benefit for RAINN" (best of collection up till that point)... so they may well include it on any official "Greatest Hits". Interestingly, they also included "Putting the Damage On (The Twilight Mix)" on the Retrospective one... Although I'm hoping they DON'T include that on any "Greatest Hits", as I forked out $210 for the damn promo.. "lol". > and maybe even blue skies (as a bonus > track tacked on the end > after *that* remix)... the former got more attention > than pretty much any of > tori's own songs Yeah they should probably include these things. I am also hoping they put the EDIT/single versions of the songs on it too - I HATE when best of's DON'T have the single versions on them. I am particularly after "China (edit)" as it's the only one I don't have on an official CD. > but, yeah it would primarily be singles, although > cunningly called 'the best > of' or something (ie not 'greatest hits') I prefer "best of" to "Greatest Hits" as a title myself. They could even be cheesier and give it an actual title, eg: "Silent All These Years: The Best of Tori Amos". > and if they added the singles versions of certain > tracks then that might > help sell the album to a few toriphiles too (those > that aren't buying > singles) Yes... But they're probably too dense to realise this. More likely than not, it'll be compiled by an old man in a suit (hey got nothing against those!) who doesn't even know that single/edit/remix versions were made. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] sound production Shane Goh wrote: > Nathan "." wrote: > > > Well "A Case of You" was obviously recorded > pre-FTCH, > > when all of Tori's albums sound 'quieter' > > production-wise. > > Actually, none of Tori's albums sound fantastic. The > sound > is a bit dull. Not sure how else to describe it > except there > is a noticeable difference in sound quality when > compared to a few > albums I have by other artists. Cool, we have another SQQ (Sound Quality Queen ;) - I hold exclusive rights to inventing this term) on the list. File under 'zac and Julian P had a lovechild and called it Shane'. > Anyone else find this? You do have a point. ie, if you keep your volume knob constant on your stereo, and pop in LE, UTP or BFP, you will notice that they sound significantly 'quieter'/lower in volume than following releases at the same volume. Maybe Mark & Marcel (& Tori as producer) have a LOT to answer for. PS - speaking of sound, forgot 2 men-shun in that last e-mail that I hope to 'God' that Atlantic REMASTER the songs (spesh the pre Choirgirl ones) for any 'greatest hits' compile! Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:25:26 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's Greatest Hits (again) "Bindy ." wrote: > Then they would be restricted in not being able to > but a new song on there > at least, as most Greatest Hits albums do, so what > the hell would they have > as a selling point? They could easily put on there something from the Tori 'vault' that never got released, but that Tori submitted to Atlantic - eg. the "It Might Hurt a Bit" duet with Michael Stipe. Or they could dig out something like "Learn to Fly". They could even include YKTR tracks if they wanted. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:34:16 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Ms Gudmundsdottir (OT) Roozi wrote: > 'greatest hits' or 'best-of' albums will have > whatever the record company > thinks will sell best! except in bjork's case, where > her tiny record company > owes her for its very existence and thus she does > what she likes! Apparently that is kinda BS... "Someone said" (so it must be true), that some album tracks out-polled the singles; yet the Greatest Hits album only has singles on it. > to use my tired toni childs example again (very > tired, i know, but relevant > b/c she, like tori, had very few hits to speak of - > although more of her > songs made the top 20 in aust than tori's have!), LOL that is an almost unbelievable fact... but yes, you're right. > the record company decided > that even the single from her third album was bets > avoided and thus made a > 'best of' which was 6 tracks from each of her other > albums (onewas only 9 > tracks to begin with) and a couple of old songs from > soundtracks... hence > how 'many rivers tro cross' got on there despite > childs' own admission that > she hadn't sung it once since recording it in 1989! Not unlike Voice of the Beehive's best of, which is made up of about 2/3rds of the songs off each of their 2 albums they did with London. Better still is the best of Mel & Kim, who only had one album + another single (& its b-side) - all included in their best of (would "all of" have been a more appropriate title?). > ps. anyone heard the wednesday/cooling mp3 (at > himh.com) where she fucks up > wednesday twice, before ditching it, singinga brief > impro about how she > hasn't sung it b4 and you should buy it on cd > instead and then sings a v > lovely version of cooling?? *so* adorable!! Yes. But I'm tired of hearing cooling live. She leaves out the best verse... & that song is already suffered from "overkill" with me. Shame, as I used to find it one of her best. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2002 23:51:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Next SW Single Roozi wrote re: mythical Playboy Mommy promo single debate: > have you *seen* a copy? i entreat thee not to argue > with nayth unless you > have solid proof. its just not worth it. *TRUST ME* Hehheh. That's right, I have vague memories of arguing with you over some Tori thing a long time ago (though luckily for you I can't remember what it was :) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #336 ****************************