From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #330 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, November 10 2002 Volume 02 : Number 330 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? [Nathan "®" ] Re: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? [Rebecca Appleton ] Re: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? [Nathan "®" ] RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? [Rebecca Appleton ] RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? [Rebecca Appleton ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show ["AndrewR" ] [oztori] girls have a penis, boys have a vagina ["Bevan Burkin" ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show ["Bevan Burkin" ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show ["li" ] Re: [oztori] girls have a penis, boys have a vagina ["Too Much" <2much@el] [oztori] wouldn't it be cool if.... [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] wouldn't it be cool if.... [Zac Ariel ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show ["AndrewR" ] RE: [oztori] girls in the mens room, boys in the girls room. ["AndrewR" ] Re: [oztori] first show of the tour.... ["Will Johncock" ] Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing ["Will Johncock" ] [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori [Nathan "®] Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori [=?iso] Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori [Nath] Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori [Nath] Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing ["Will Johncock" ] Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing [Nathan "®" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:12:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? Too Much <2much@elvis.com> spat: > I really resent your insinuation that male-to-female > transsexuals have anything to do with effeminate gay > men. Effeminate male-to-female transsexuals may really resent your insinuation that they DON'T have anything to do with effeminate gay men. > Actually, Beene is credited as "Nancy Shanks > (Beene)" > for providing backing vocals to Etienne on YKTR... She could have been in the pre-op stage then. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:29:44 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:54:19 +1100, Jonceski Jasmina wrote: >>"Cos you know, then the interp that Henry gave on SW a while back >>couldsorta hold up with that, couldn't it?" >> >>What was Henry's interpretation? I must've missed it. >Toomuch wrote: > >>my theory is that Tori is having an affair with a >>transman, or at least writing about one... here's why... >> >>" I pull the hood right back where >>you could taste heaven perfectly" >> >>Pulling back the hood *obviously* refers to >>metoidoplasty--an operation performed on transmen >>whereby the clitoris is released ("pulled back") from >>its "hood" and therefore resembles a small penis. 'cept the lyric is actually "and I PUT the hood right back where..." (my emphasis). Which would sorta more imply a chick who thought she was a transman but, post-op, decided she made the wrong decision and got the doctors to "put" the hood back on. ;-) ~Becc :-D - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:28:02 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > Too Much <2much@elvis.com> spat: > > > I really resent your insinuation that male-to-female > > transsexuals have anything to do with effeminate gay > > men. > > Effeminate male-to-female transsexuals may really > resent your insinuation that they DON'T have anything > to do with effeminate gay men. > I doubt it somehow... unless you're referring to MtFs who happen to be fag hags. In my experience most MtFs are psychologically indistinguishable from "bio girls" & so your comment makes as much sense as calling Tori Amos a "nancy boy" for being a particularly femme-y woman. (I was marching with a group of MtFs in this year's Pride Parade & can still remember one transwoman urging our group to "keep away from the drag queens!") Incidentally, how many MtFs have you actually known in person? (apart from the one you encountered in your student days & referred to as "he.") Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:32:02 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? Rebecca Appleton wrote: > 'cept the lyric is actually "and I PUT the hood > right back where..." > (my emphasis). Which would sorta more imply a chick > who thought she > was a transman but, post-op, decided she made the > wrong decision and > got the doctors to "put" the hood back on. ;-) I really resent that you insinuate that being a transman would be the "wrong" decision (or that it is a 'decision' at all), and that one could simply just be corrected by 'puting the hood back on'. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:39:00 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:28:02 -0800 (PST), Too Much wrote: >>Effeminate male-to-female transsexuals may really >>resent your insinuation that they DON'T have anything >>to do with effeminate gay men. >> > >I doubt it somehow... unless you're referring to MtFs >who happen to be fag hags. In my experience most MtFs >are psychologically indistinguishable from "bio girls" How could someone who's been raised as a man with all man's privileges, even if they're not one, ever be 'psychologically indistinguishable from "bio girls"'? Then Nathan wrote: >I really resent that you insinuate that being a >transman would be the "wrong" decision (or that it is >a 'decision' at all), and that one could simply just >be corrected by 'puting the hood back on'. Oh fuck off, Nathan, lol. I didn't say being a transman was a decision, right or wrong, but that the imaginary chick to which I was referring made the wrong decision in having an operation performed. *puts Nathan inside a box and locks it tight* ~Becc - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:43:24 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:39:00 GMT, Rebecca Appleton wrote: >Oh fuck off, Nathan, lol. I didn't say being a transman was a >decision, right or wrong, but that the imaginary chick to which I >was >referring Ohhh, fuck, and that was SO not a Freudian slip so don't even try it Nathan. :P I obviously meant "to WHOM I was referring", and nobody should take offence that I was implying a chick who thought she wasn't a chick but then realised post-op that she WAS in fact a chick (*takes breath*) ought to be referred to using the pronoun "it". ~Becc :-P - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:41:35 +1100 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? > *puts Nathan inside a box and locks it tight* *checks Becc's sealing just to make sure he can't get out* Jas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:46:01 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:43:24 GMT, Rebecca Appleton wrote: >Ohhh, fuck, and that was SO not a Freudian slip so don't even try it >Nathan. :P I obviously meant "to WHOM I was referring", and nobody >should take offence that I was implying a chick who thought she >wasn't a chick but then realised post-op that she WAS in fact a >chick >(*takes breath*) ought to be referred to using the pronoun "it". .. which my "to which" (rather than "to whom") implies. Lawd. Sometime today I hope to get my brain functioning at a level where I can function outside of a padded cell... not that there's anything wrong with people who function best inside padded cells.... *grins* ~Becc :-/ - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:44:51 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] 'Cause boy you still look pretty when you're putting the hood back on On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > Rebecca Appleton wrote: > > > 'cept the lyric is actually "and I PUT the hood > > right back where..." > > (my emphasis). Which would sorta more imply a chick > > who thought she > > was a transman but, post-op, decided she made the > > wrong decision and > > got the doctors to "put" the hood back on. ;-) > > I really resent that you insinuate that being a > transman would be the "wrong" decision (or that it is > a 'decision' at all), and that one could simply just > be corrected by 'puting the hood back on'. > Nice try, Nayth, but I'm afraid your attempted parody of me didn't work as I'm not one of those big scary believers in the gender binary who calls himself "a man with TS" or feels that his XX genes are a "birth defect." Having such an operation (which in my belief is basically cosmetic, since it's just enhancing the nice micropenis transguys develop as an effect of testosterone) *is* a decision and there *are* a few masculine women who have decided that transitioning to manhood was the wrong thing to do for them, & so I actually found Becc's comments rather amusing & refreshing... particularly as my own path to self-made-manhood has hardly been straight & unerring. Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] John Stinks! (still on that hideously OT topic) Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > I doubt it somehow... But you're not an MtF transsexual, nor am I.. so how could either of us really *know*... using your 'best not assume anything' argument. > unless you're referring to > MtFs > who happen to be fag hags. I really resent that you are calling gay men "fags" here.. or their female companions as "hags".. Tut tut. > Incidentally, how many MtFs have you actually known > in > person? (apart from the one you encountered in your > student days & referred to as "he.") Again, you are making incorrect generalisations. I have "known" 4 of them.. although there was some doubt over one of them's (good grammar, I know... but I don't know what else to put) diagnosis. Rebecca Appleton wrote: > How could someone who's been raised as a man with > all man's > privileges, Well women have certain 'privileges' too. (oops, let's NOT open *that* big can o' worms). You know, as they say, "the grass is always greener on the other side". > *puts Nathan inside a box and locks it tight* Jaz wrote: > *checks Becc's sealing just to make sure he can't > get out* And you call that punishment? ;) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:59:24 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] John Stinks! (still on that hideously OT topic) On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 00:50:14 -0800 (PST), Nathan ". wrote: >Again, you are making incorrect generalisations. I >have "known" 4 of them.. although there was some doubt >over one of them's (good grammar, I know... but I >don't know what else to put) I find "hir" very useful (combination of "him" and "hir"). Likewise, "se" for "she" or "he". A teacher of mine did that once and I was highly impressed. If I didn't think it'd confound the shit out of everyone, I'd use those replacements to refer to everyone all the time, but fearing the necessity of constant explanations, I've never quite got around to making the switch. ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:07:38 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Rebecca Appleton wrote: > >I doubt it somehow... unless you're referring to MtFs > >who happen to be fag hags. In my experience most MtFs > >are psychologically indistinguishable from "bio girls" > > How could someone who's been raised as a man with all > man's > privileges, even if they're not one, ever be > 'psychologically > indistinguishable from "bio girls"'? > Gah!!! *deep breath* You spend some time with an MtF (online or IRL) & you will soon find yourself really wondering how you could ever make such a statement. To be honest, I used to think the same thing myself until I took the time to get involved with some MtFs... I used to think "it's fairly easy for an FtM to ignore most of the messages of female behaviour & socialisation he is given throughout childhood & adolescence (& slyly listen to the messages meant for boys), but, gosh, I really wonder about those MtFs, how could they ever really throw off the trappings of biological maleness?" But, no, it seems that just like FtMs, most MtFs experience gender dysphoria so strongly & their sense of "who they really are" is so innate that they does resist any of the usual male privileges. (This is why there is a big push within the transsexual community to argue that transsexualism is a physical condition.) If you have an overwhelming belief that you're a woman, why would you then indulge in masculine behaviour that you would find deeply disturbing to your self-congruence just so that your XY genes could buy you some patriarchal privileging? Makes even less sense than arguing that I'm going to all the trouble of transitioning just so I can get me some of those same privileges. Unless, of course, you are a radical feminist who believes that MtFs are an evil tool designed by patriarchy to infiltrate wimmin-only space... which I suppose you just might be, I don't know that much about you... Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 19:17:43 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 01:07:38 -0800 (PST), Too Much wrote: >Unless, of course, you are a radical feminist who >believes that MtFs are an evil tool designed by >patriarchy to infiltrate wimmin-only space... which I >suppose you just might be, I don't know that much about >you... *snicker* Nah. But the thought is one that I've had trouble getting my head around when it comes to transgender issues, so I wanted to ask the question while the opportunity presented itself for the grabbing. Your thoughts have been noted, entered into the mush of my learning experience, and shall be mulled over accordingly. Thanks. :) ~Becc - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:03:14 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] Scarlet Stories > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Too Much > Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2002 2:40 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] Scarlet Stories > > There is a promo CD of "Scarlet Stories", a > track-by-track commentary by Tori on SW, available: > > http://www.thedent.com/scarletstories.html > > (I've seen quite a few of the 2 CD sets for sale on > eBay at fairly reasonable prices, along with many of > the trinkets...) > > If you read the URL, it is said that apparently there > are Aussie versions of this promo CD around the place. > Has anyone come across it??? (It's suggested that this > was an HMV-driven promo, but there's nothing on > hmv.com.au...) Interesting - considering the disgusting attempt at promotion of Scuzz in Australia - there is probably a ware-house full of them. Does anyone know how the promotion of the album went overseas? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:07:44 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Bevan Burkin > Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2002 4:28 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > > she played for over two hours again. what a bitch. *really* rub it in. > *grumpy* What is her usual playing time? She'll probably come here and play for some fucking outdoor festival - with a bunch of fucking drunk idiots moshing to yes, anastascia. encore: > hey jupiter AGAIN, ending the concert with that isn't FANTASTIC. Ugh. Don't get me wrong, I love the song, but it's not a show-ender. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:15:13 +0800 From: "Bevan Burkin" Subject: [oztori] girls have a penis, boys have a vagina hi everybody! (dr. nick) all of this gender bending (aka john shanks) is really doing my head in. we all need to smoke the peace pipe, or maybe have a line of blow. . . lol! Henry, dear Henry, please excuse me if I offend, but I have had a few wines and really just want to get the story straight. I have largely skimmed over lots of oztori e-mails so I just want to make sure I have my facts correct (can facts be incorrect? :P). My understanding is that you were a girl, who now identifies as a boy? But has girl bits? Again, sorry for my lack of tact, but I am a Virgo and that is my astrological get out of gaol (Fuck You America) free card. I reckon we should be getting together to worship Tori one evening! Tori doesn't care about willy's and hoo hoo's *g* On a side note: How well do you think "Get Fucked America" T-Shirts would sell?! lol Just to let everybody know, I am a boy. Who likes boys. I also like girls, but in a Vouge Magazine kind of way. I like being a boy. I prefer boy to man because at this stage in my life, I don't want a lot of responsibility. I'm losing the plot. . . Bevan "another boy's paradise" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:14:06 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:07:44 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >She'll probably come here and play for some fucking outdoor festival >- >with a bunch of fucking drunk idiots moshing to yes, anastascia. *LOL* Are you STILL pissed off about Portishead, Andrew?? ;-) ~Becc :-) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:13:33 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Rebecca Appleton > Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 4:39 AM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: RE: RE: [oztori] John Shanks? > *puts Nathan inside a box and locks it tight* > > ~Becc Is that a euphamism there Becc!?! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:21:24 +0800 From: "Bevan Burkin" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show >She'll probably come here and play for some fucking outdoor >festival - >with a bunch of fucking drunk idiots moshing to yes, anastascia. I will so be there! With bells and fairy wings on! And a FUCK YOU TORI sign. I will be front row centre and probably frothing at the mouth. I will give the bouncer a blow job so he will let me back stage and then I will try to steal Tori's shoes. Bring it on. . . ;) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:23:18 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show Bevan Burkin wrote: > I will give the bouncer a blow job so he will let me > back stage What if the bouncer is a she? ;) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 21:25:34 +1030 From: "li" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show Bev said: "I will be front row centre and probably frothing at the mouth. I will give the bouncer a blow job so he will let me back stage and then Iwill try to steal Tori's shoes." Give Nathan a blow job while you're at it. I think he needs it. - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.408 / Virus Database: 230 - Release Date: 10/24/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 02:28:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] girls have a penis, boys have a vagina On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, "Bevan Burkin" wrote: > all of this gender bending (aka john shanks) is really > doing my head in. we > all need to smoke the peace pipe, or maybe have a line > of blow. . . lol! > LOL... I first read that as "maybe have a blow job." (What me orally fixated?) > Henry, dear Henry, please excuse me if I offend, but I > have had a few wines > and really just want to get the story straight. I have > largely skimmed over > lots of oztori e-mails so I just want to make sure I > have my facts correct > (can facts be incorrect? :P). My understanding is that > you were a girl, who > now identifies as a boy? But has girl bits? Again, > sorry for my lack of > tact, but I am a Virgo and that is my astrological get > out of gaol (Fuck You > America) free card. I reckon we should be getting > together to worship Tori > one evening! Tori doesn't care about willy's and hoo > hoo's *g* > That would be correct (& no offense taken). This little image seems to sum things up pretty well: http://www.bur.st/~els/hgws.gif And this is my gaydar ad (a popular OzTorian self-promotion tool I notice): http://www.gaydar.com.au/dragkinghenry (Yes, there are now... *gasp* PIX on that page. What is happening to the OzTori gallery btw? Almost everyone on the list has their pic someplace on the web, surely it's not that difficult to get them all together...?) Actually we did exchange a few emails on an offlist basis about a year or so ago, when I was briefly "en femme"... not sure what email address I was using...??? (I remember you live(d) in Thornlie, and um, something about a Tori poster...) I agree about the get-together. If BrisVegas can do it, we can too (& I know that apart from you & me, there is ennui plus at least 2 lurkers who say "G'day from WA"... LOL... remember that ad campaign??) > Just to let everybody know, I am a boy. Who likes > boys. I also like girls, > but in a Vouge Magazine kind of way. I like being a > boy. I prefer boy to > man because at this stage in my life, I don't want a > lot of responsibility. Oddly enough I don't really like being called a "man" myself (but it's something I have to live with because apparently I'm rather blokey). Prefer "transman" or, more to the point, "transfag" (I'm technically bi but not having slept with any girls/women for the past 8 years, am beginning to question my sexuality for the millionth time.) Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 05:41:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] wouldn't it be cool if.... Tori covered Ween's "Push Th' Little Daisies"! Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 01:24:32 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re: [oztori] wouldn't it be cool if.... Sunday, November 10, 2002, 11:41:32 PM, Nathan wrote: N.> Tori covered Ween's "Push Th' Little Daisies"! a radio dj needs to suggest this one i think... zac - ---- zac ariel; web addict and dsl junkie m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@internode.on.net w: http://www.level21.net/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:42:23 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Rebecca Appleton > Sent: Monday, 11 November 2002 6:14 AM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > > On Sun, 10 Nov 2002 20:07:44 +1000, AndrewR wrote: > >She'll probably come here and play for some fucking outdoor festival > >- > >with a bunch of fucking drunk idiots moshing to yes, anastascia. > > *LOL* Are you STILL pissed off about Portishead, Andrew?? ;-) > > ~Becc :-) LOL! Yes, and no... but... you have to agree the crowds at a festival aren't conducive to a good Tori-going experience!?! Yeah I still pissed off! ;) Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:44:30 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org] On Behalf Of > Nathan . > Sent: Sunday, 10 November 2002 8:23 PM > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] setlist for 2nd show > > Bevan Burkin wrote: > > > I will give the bouncer a blow job so he will let me > > back stage > > What if the bouncer is a she? ;) What if the bouncer is a hermaphrodite! :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 02:49:06 +1000 From: "AndrewR" Subject: RE: [oztori] girls in the mens room, boys in the girls room. > Oddly enough I don't really like being called a "man" > myself (but it's something I have to live with because > apparently I'm rather blokey). Prefer "transman" or, > more to the point, "transfag" (I'm technically bi but > not having slept with any girls/women for the past 8 > years, am beginning to question my sexuality for the > millionth time.) > > Henry. "Transman" - could be short for Trans-Tasman! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:05:13 +1100 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: Re: [oztori] first show of the tour.... my friend went to the second show of the tour and tori played landslide! i would love to see her do that! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 09:11:27 +1100 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: Re: [oztori] mmm pee jay... > yay! got tix (standing ones) for show @ enmore theatre in sydney... anyone > else going? hope its as good as last time (*soooo* good) > > Roozi > *off to write abusive response to person who described "taxi ride" as > "kylie-esque" in student rag* cool! i got standing tickets too! last time was great i agree...how cool was last time when she started off with rid of me! will ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:17:48 +1100 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing > Chill Will ... of *course* I'm not serious. haha hey julian, i never thought you were totally serious, hence why i wrote "jules you can't be serious". it wasn't meant to sound like an attack or anything...just me giving my point of view...hope it came across ok! everything i said about the sporting people was fairly tongue in cheek too... i agree with the people here who've been saying any sort of generalisations are probably wrong. granted theres probably like 2% of the population or something who are horrible people but everyone else, be they into punk rock, or football or buckets or trucks or whatever,. has a certain beauty to them...i guess its just about appreciating people for who they are and just being open to them. cheers, will ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] girls in the mens room, boys in the girls room. AndrewR wrote: > "Transman" - could be short for Trans-Tasman! ;o) "Transman" = Transvestite s&m Andrew ;) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:47:20 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing Will Johncock wrote: > i agree with the people here who've been saying any > sort of generalisations > are probably wrong. There is often an element of truth to many generalisations... whether the likes of Henry care to admit it or not. > granted theres probably like 2% > of the population or > something who are horrible people And what is wrong with being a 'horrible' person? ;) > but everyone else, > be they into punk > rock, or football or buckets or trucks or whatever,. > has a certain beauty > to them...i guess its just about appreciating people > for who they are and > just being open to them. Ooooooooh what freaked out flower child have you become?! Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 15:51:13 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori SW has dropped from #20 to #44 (!) in its second week on the ARIA Albums Chart. OMG what has gone WRONG? (yes, I know "charts don't really mean anything".. but a Tori album has not dropped this quickly, or charted this poorly in Oz before). I guess you can't put out an album like SLG without gaining some (big) permanent scars. And speaking of the ARIA albums chart... How THE FUCK has Olivia Newton-John got an album debuting at number FIVE this week???!! Can somebody please tell me what decade we're in again? Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:00:29 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Rala?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori --- Nathan . wrote: > SW has dropped from #20 to #44 (!) in its second > week > on the ARIA Albums Chart. Well ASFT is hanging on at #26 on the JJJ net 50... Ooo and did anyone else hear JJJ play 'Wednesday' at about 8pm last night!? That was a suprise!! :) Rala ;oD http://careers.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Careers - - 1,000's of jobs waiting online for you! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:05:41 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori Rala wrote: > Well ASFT Original abbreviation. > is hanging on at #26 on the JJJ net 50... Gee, I guess rigged phone votes on a station hardly anyone listens to are more important than $ in the bank for Sony :) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:07:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori I wrote: > Gee, I guess rigged phone votes on a station hardly > anyone listens to Oops just remembered it was the NET 50. Even easier to rig then, as you don't end up with a phone bill in the 000's. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:18:29 +1100 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing > Ooooooooh what freaked out flower child have you become?! haha well not really, i guess its a case of i respect people who have completely different interests and thats cool and everything but i'm still not going to spend a whole lot of my time in their company or anything... of course the achilles heel in my argument is when you come across someone in the kkk or something...then i guess its a case of throwing them in the 2% basket of simply fucked up people... :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:19:57 +1100 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: Re: [oztori] Austraaaaaaaaaayans prefer Olivia Newton-John to Tori > Ooo and did anyone else hear JJJ play 'Wednesday' at > about 8pm last night!? That was a suprise!! :) i didn't hear that lara but i did hear someone ring up to request virginia and instead they played a sorta fairytale...again! ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 10:21:15 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: [oztori] My contribution to the bitch fight Wow! You guys have been busy. Nice claw fight going on there! I have to say one thing in that respect though. Nathan "." wrote on Thu, 7 Nov 2002 23:48:35 -0800 (PST) >"It actually began earlier than that," froths 19 >year-old Jasmina (preferred name "Jaz") from her >Canberra Uni student accomidation pad. "Tori was >stealing from my family when she had originally titled >the song 'Juarez' as "Jonceski" on her 1999 album, To >Venus and Back". For a person who is so anal about language, there is a serious boo boo there! "accommodation" is the correct spelling there, Nayth. Kind of stuffed that arguement up now, haven't I. ~Bindy - *hides under table* Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:28:01 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] My contribution to the bitch fight Belinda (heheh ain't seen nobody call U dat b4!) wrote: > For a person who is so anal about language, there is > a serious boo boo > there! > > "accommodation" is the correct spelling there, > Nayth. I know that. I saw it as soon as I read the post I had written.. but thought it didn't warrant yet *another* e-mail from moi to the list rectify it. One thing I've learnt/learned as that people generally don't care about poor spelling/typing/whatever. > Kind of stuffed that > arguement up now, haven't I. Indeed you have with that careless spelling of "arguement" (sic) there. Only has one E... "with your ease and your e's, agument only has one.. 1 1 e e e, 1 1 e e e ;)" (attempt at Tori content) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 16:29:17 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Sadder than Olivia Newton-John out-selling Tori... Hi-5's album is at #43 this week - one position higher than Tori :( Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2002 11:12:32 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] My contribution to the bitch fight Nathan "." wrote B> > Kind of stuffed that B> > arguement up now, haven't I. > N>Indeed you have with that careless spelling of N>"arguement" (sic) there. Only has one E... To borrow a phrase from Jas: FUCKETY FUCK FUCK! I spotted the mis-spelt "argument" as it was sending. I was clicking stuff frantically to stop it from sending. DAMMIT! You seem to be losing a lot of your prior callous though, Nayth. Getting mushy in your old age? ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 17:13:55 -0800 (PST) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing On Sun, 10 Nov 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > Will Johncock wrote: > > > i agree with the people here who've been saying any > > sort of generalisations > > are probably wrong. > > There is often an element of truth to many > generalisations... whether the likes of Henry care to > admit it or not. Nathan--you just can't let go of your bigotry, stereotyping, and chauvinism, can you? That's why you're so eager to spring to the defense of a mechanism that allows you to say, "All X are Y." And why you still continue to fetishise my gender identity via statements such as: > "Transman" = Transvestite s&m Andrew ;) I could take it as a rather silly joke from anyone else, but the problem is that since it comes from you, I know that (consciously or otherwise) it's an expression of your inability to cope with anything that deviates from normative gender or sexuality. Henry. - -- "We're born alone, we live alone, we die alone. Only through our love and friendship can we create the illusion for the moment that we're not alone." - --Orson Welles - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2002 18:07:29 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Good Will Arguing Henry Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > Nathan--you just can't let go of your bigotry, > stereotyping, and chauvinism, can you? So I am a bigoted (sp?), chauvinistic stereotyper. Are you bigotochauvinstereotypo-phobic? > That's why > you're so eager to spring to the defense of a > mechanism > that allows you to say, "All X are Y." Er, I'm at a loss here. What is it we're arguing about exactly? I said that not all generalisations are completely untrue. I didn't say "All generalisations are correct", using your over-simplified "All X are Y" model. > And why you > still continue to fetishise my gender identity Excuse me? > via > statements such as: > > > "Transman" = Transvestite s&m Andrew ;) > > I could take it as a rather silly joke from anyone > else, but the problem is that since it comes from > you, > I know that (consciously or otherwise) it's an > expression of your inability to cope with anything > that > deviates from normative gender or sexuality. Yup. I can't tolerate anything other than Anglo, white, str8, non-transgendered married couples. Even then I'm stretching the limits of my tolerance. *has a feeling we are going to get told off by God soon for not taking this off list* Damn you li & Jaz for starting all this! lol. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #330 ****************************