From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #265 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Thursday, September 12 2002 Volume 02 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] sept 11th [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] sept 11th ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] Replies etc. ["nina riddel" ] Re: [oztori] Replies etc. [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] taxi ride ["Renee Hill" ] Re: [oztori] taxi ride [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian] Re: [oztori] Replies etc. [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] taxi ride [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] sept 11th [Nadyne Mielke ] [oztori] cover art for SW ["Too Much" <2much@elvis.com>] Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Feel better with Mikewhy till I almost smacked him... [Nathan "®] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:14:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] sept 11th Roozi riot poofter wrote: > tori relevance: she's american but wisely moved to a > better country > (although not much - tony blair is a dumb ass > sell-out) Well if we are going to judge a cunt'ry by it's "leader" (sic), then WTF do you think of Austraaaaaaaya with Johnnie Howard? lol.. Foreigners must think we're a nation of bushy-eyebrowed stutterers. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 17:17:22 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] sept 11th > > tori relevance: she's american but wisely moved to a > > better country > > (although not much - tony blair is a dumb ass > > sell-out) > >Well if we are going to judge a cunt'ry by it's >"leader" (sic), then WTF do you think of >Austraaaaaaaya with Johnnie Howard? lol.. Foreigners >must think we're a nation of bushy-eyebrowed >stutterers. der nayth. i was talking about the nations in terms of politrical climates. australia is no doubt sene as the land of rednecks who imprison innocent people and even children. i look forward to getting out of here. but to where?? Roozi "i've always been a caramel" (misheard kate bush lyric) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 00:21:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] sept 11th Roozilicious wrote: > der nayth. i was talking about the nations in terms > of politrical climates. > australia is no doubt sene as the land of rednecks > who imprison innocent > people and even children. Wrong - it's not even thought of at all. Just ask Britney. And if it is, two words usually spring to mind: Paul Hogan. > i look forward to getting > out of here. but to > where?? Antarctica? > "i've always been a caramel" (misheard kate bush > lyric) Nathan. "I die with him again and again And I feel good in my revenge I'm gonna fill your head with lead I'm coming for you!" (not misheard Kate Bush lyric) __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 18:13:59 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] Replies etc. >OK China is a bit schmaltzy for me, but I actually like 1000 >Oceans...If Tori ever decides to do a Celine Dion, she can't really get >any worse than the Stick Insect herself...and sides, this was my ex and >I's song... well my ex and i broke up to 'a sorta fairytale'. dammit. and i love it. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 01:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Replies etc. nina riddel wrote: > well my ex and i broke up to 'a sorta fairytale'. > dammit. and i love it. Why couldn't you have broken up to 'blood roses'? hehehe. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:07:37 +1000 From: "Renee Hill" Subject: [oztori] taxi ride from rollingstone.com: Also, "Taxi Ride" eulogizes the late makeup artist Kevin Aucoin. Has anyone else heard this before now?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 03:14:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] taxi ride Renee Hill wrote: > from rollingstone.com: > > Also, "Taxi Ride" eulogizes the late makeup artist > Kevin Aucoin. > > > Has anyone else heard this before now?? Taxi Ride was presumably the original "Just Another Dead Fag" which Tori mentioned in an interview in 1999. However, she said that 'fag' was referring to cigarette. Also, Kevin died like 2 weeks or something before Taxi Ride was leaked to the net.. so it's not likely to have been written *for* him. Tori may, however, have included the song on Scuzzwalk as a 'befitting tribute' to Kevz.. and maybe the meaning of the song changed, with it referring to him. Also, I suspect that Epic *made* her change the title from JADF to TR. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:42:23 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) riot poofter wrote: >err... jules' honours are in english not history... julia and i are histoy >majors... not the same thing nayth, would be like saing you are a >physiotherapist! weeeeeell ... to be technical, I'm not an English Honours student *yet*. I was supposed to be, but then I got cold feet and deferred. I have submitted my enrolment application for next year, but it will not be processed until November (the Honours info day is Monday week, and I'm tres excited). Interestingly, after begging the Faculty of Law not to graduate me, I got my "graduation pack" in the mail today. Grrrrr. And they didn't even get my degree right!! And Roozi, am I imagining things or is there a slight tone in your "not the same thing" ... as in: "how DARE you mistake a lowly English student for the amazingness that is a History student???". I have a dream for a world in which all Arts students, irrespective of their majors, can join together and say with one voice: "will there be fries with that?". ;-) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:47:00 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Replies etc. Nathan . wrote: >Why couldn't you have broken up to 'blood roses'? Lol, back in high school (year 12 it must have been), I was serenaded with Blood Roses every morning at roll call by a fellow EWF who had something of a crush on me. It made for a rather strange courting song, all in all, but it was Tori so it was very cool. (And no, nothing happened so don't ask.) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:58:04 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] Re: [ozslapclub] China thingie riot poofter wrote: >BFP (all of it, even agent orange) is tori's best album. and i challenge >anyone who disagrees to take it up with me in a slap club setting. (*slap*) I disagree, not only with the assertion that BfP is Tori's best album (*slap*), but with the idea that Tori can even have an objectively determinable 'best' album (*slap*). The reason that other people's arguments as to why one album is the best often seem unconvincing (*slap* *slap*) is that their reasons usually do not tend logically toward a conclusion (as they are no doubt intended to do), (*slap*) but are merely used as an attempt to justify a decision already made, and based purely on emotivism (*slap* *slap* *slap*), and those reasons are themselves therefore not objective, but are merely an expression of personal tastes and preferences (*slap* times infinity plus one). Jules suddenly slap-happy - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 21:05:33 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] taxi ride Renee Hill wrote: >from rollingstone.com: >Also, "Taxi Ride" eulogizes the late makeup artist Kevin Aucoin. >Has anyone else heard this before now?? Tori seems to be a rather psychic eulogizer. She wrote the Matthew Sheppard (sp?) 'eulogy' well before he died. Now she writes Aucoin's eulogy several years (it seems) before his death. The moral of the story: if you are gay, be very worried if Tori writes a song about you. The other moral of the story: don't believe everything you read in magazines, especially if it's a quote from Tori. I've never known of an artist who can tell so many different (and contradictory!) stories about the same event/events (and what's more, for each of them to make sense and be really interesting!). But my guess: someone at Rolling Stone read it on the @forumz boards (where it has been posted a dozen times by EWF who seem eager to share their 'revelation' with hundreds of others, each of whom have already posted the exact same God-damn thing!) and decided it must be true. Jules Surprised to find himself so angry. Sorry, Renee!! - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:01:34 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] taxi ride >Tori seems to be a rather psychic eulogizer. She wrote the Matthew Sheppard >(sp?) 'eulogy' well before he died. Now she writes Aucoin's eulogy several >years (it seems) before his death. she wrote a Matthew Shepard eulogy? which? _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:10:05 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] taxi ride nina riddel wrote: >she wrote a Matthew Shepard eulogy? which? Tori has, on a number of occasions, dedicated Merman to Matthew Shepard as a eulogy (or, more correctly, as an *elegy*). The lyrics fit that purpose perfectly, even though the song was supposedly written as a love song for Mark. - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 06:19:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) Julian P wrote: > weeeeeell ... to be technical, I'm not an English > Honours student *yet*. I was supposed to be, but > then I got cold feet and deferred. Cool - we have more stuff in common. I was an honours drop-out.. heeheh. Though thankfully they deleted it altogether from my academic record (er, not that it actually matters "in the real world".. *shock horror kids - nobody really gives a shit about your uni marks when you go for a job*). > I > have a dream for a world in which all Arts students, > irrespective of their majors, can join together and > say with one voice: "will there be fries with > that?". ;-) Hehehe. Though I know of somebody with a biological sciences degree who is presently doing that. > (*slap*) I disagree, not only with the assertion > that BfP is Tori's best album (*slap*), but with the > idea that Tori can even have an objectively > determinable 'best' album (*slap*). Come to think of it.. I don't think Tori actually has a 'best' album - all of them have their patchy moments :P I could drag it further and say 'she is yet to release a decent album' just to stir you guys.. but I won't. > Tori has, on a number of occasions, dedicated Merman > to Matthew Shepard as a eulogy (or, more correctly, > as an *elegy*). The lyrics fit that purpose > perfectly, even though the song was supposedly > written as a love song for Mark. What a slap in the face to him then. 'tseems Tori just 'goes with the flow' and decides that her songs will be dedicated to whatever cause is fashionable at the time. The fact that Scuzzwalk is supposedly the September-fucking-11 album is further proof of this. Was I the only one who cringed upon hearing her "Sometimes Things Fall Down" improv before Rattlesnakes from an SLT performance? Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Yahoo! - We Remember 9-11: A tribute to the more than 3,000 lives lost http://dir.remember.yahoo.com/tribute ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:40:06 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) Nathan . wrote: >Cool - we have more stuff in common. I was an honours >drop-out.. heeheh. Though thankfully they deleted it >altogether from my academic record (er, not that it >actually matters "in the real world".. *shock horror >kids - nobody really gives a shit about your uni marks >when you go for a job*). I'm not a dropout ... yet. And as for marks not counting, you've never applied for a job at a law firm, have you? >I could drag it further and say 'she is yet to release >a decent album' just to stir you guys.. but I won't. If you don't like [her] just a little, well, why do you hang around? Out of interest, can you name an artist who has released a 'decent' album, according to you reckoning? > >Tori has, on a number of occasions, dedicated Merman >> to Matthew Shepard ... even though the song was supposedly > >written as a love song for Mark. >What a slap in the face to him then. >'tseems Tori just 'goes with the flow' and decides >that her songs will be dedicated to whatever cause is >fashionable at the time. I wouldn't go that far (when exactly was being pro-gay ever fashionable?), but if I was Mark, I would be a little pissed off that my wife wrote me a beautiful song, then took it back and gave it to someone she never knew. >Was I the only one who cringed upon hearing her >"Sometimes Things Fall Down" improv before >Rattlesnakes from an SLT performance? You were *definitely* not the only one. I was actually pretty embarrassed to be an EWF for a little while after hearing that. I have that mp3 somewhere, and won't listen to it. Not Tori's most subtle moment. However, I like the way SW is shaping up ... very much indeed. Jules orf to bed, finally ... - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger for SMS- Now send & receive IMs on your mobile via SMS ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:40:42 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) > I could drag it further and say 'she is yet to release > a decent album' just to stir you guys.. but I won't. I've been thinking about her albums lately and I think I do like her latter ones better, with the exception of SLG, because an album of covers is just not really hers, especially since I'm seriously under the impression that some of the songs were chosen rather pathetically. But TVAB is a good album, with the exception of Suede and Josephine. No justification because I never justify my opinions :) > The lyrics fit that purpose > perfectly, even though the song was supposedly > written as a love song for Mark. I've never been able to see the whole thing how it fits with the Shepard thing (eh). I've always thought of it as a beautiful song for Mark which fits the sappy image I always get in my head when I listen to that song. > Was I the only one who cringed upon hearing her > "Sometimes Things Fall Down" improv before > Rattlesnakes from an SLT performance? I love that improv. It's beautiful (except the towel line, that's just funny). A question about improvs though. Who names them? Why is that one called what it is called? Who decided that? Cos I remember seeing it written at the TOMB as something and then see it at hereinmyhead as something completely different (which was really frustrating when i was actually doing a search for it) , dunno if they are now the same, haven't checked them... Jas - who hopes the line in the improv is about a towel and hasn't made an ass of herself...(can't be bothered checking) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 02:49:34 +1000 From: Mr Andrew Rayfield Subject: Re: [oztori] New member Father Lucifer... Blood Roses would send them running faster I think! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:49:06 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: Re: [oztori] sept 11th At 00:21 11-09-02 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >Wrong - it's not even thought of at all. Just ask >Britney. And if it is, two words usually spring to >mind: Paul Hogan. Or the Crocodile Hunter guy. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 20:14:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] cover art for SW Apparently it is this: http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00006I4YD.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg (Nice shoes, if you happen to have a thing for petite redheads in high heels... I need a girlfriend.) Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] dismember - dissing oztori members ;) Julian P wrote: > I'm not a dropout ... yet. And as for marks not > counting, you've never applied for a job at a law > firm, have you? No. But they really don't count that much. If you've got your basic 'qualification', then it's all just about how you come across in your interview. Sure, it can look good saying you got a grade average of 99%, but that alone ain't gonna get you hired... 'less it's a nerd firm. > Out of interest, can you name an artist who has > released a 'decent' album, according to you > reckoning? I'd say Kate Bush's "The Dreaming" - but even then I'm nowt too keen on the title track. > I wouldn't go that far (when exactly was being > pro-gay ever fashionable?), Well it's fashionable at a Tori concert. > but if I was Mark, I > would be a little pissed off that my wife wrote me a > beautiful song, then took it back and gave it to > someone she never knew. Yes. Although I almost woulda thought Tori wrote "Merman" for herself in a way - ie, "go to bed, the priests are dead, now no one can call you bad" kinda sounds like she's saying it to herself. ALTHOUGH whilst on the topic of Merman, I really must have my beef @ how she prounounces the 'h' in "HE's a merman to the knee..". She does like a palatal fricative (* look that one up non-phoneticians) which sounds like the kinda 'h' you'd say in "huge" or "Hugh", and it kinda shits me a little. > >Was I the only one who cringed upon hearing her > >"Sometimes Things Fall Down" improv before > >Rattlesnakes from an SLT performance? > > You were *definitely* not the only one. Yay we agree once more. > I was > actually pretty embarrassed to be an EWF for a > little while after hearing that. I have that mp3 > somewhere, and won't listen to it. Not Tori's most > subtle moment. However, I like the way SW is shaping > up ... very much indeed. Yeah. I like how she says something about smacking Oliver Stone in ASF.. hehehe. There's something rather sexual about hearing Tori saying "till I almost smacked him", imo. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 22:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] God hates red shoes Jaz wrote of Merman (not Dan): > I've never been able to see the whole thing how it > fits with the > Shepard thing (eh). Maybe "the priests are dead" - ie, the ppl who claim 'god hates fags' are dead. And "now no one can call you bad" - see above. > A question about improvs though. Who names them? Some obsessive freak who actually made the mp3 of them. And fangx Henry for that apparent SW front cover pic link! *gasp* I actually *like* it! Yeah and cool red shoes... just like Kate Bush ;) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 23:03:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Feel better with Mikewhy till I almost smacked him... OMG @ this from thedent.com's newspage: "Dear readers, sorry I did not get some of these news items up until now. I made the decision to not update on September 11 mainly to emphasize that there are some things more important in life and to take time for personal reflection. Rest assured though that I am back!" Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #265 ****************************