From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #253 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Saturday, August 31 2002 Volume 02 : Number 253 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] just go there [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] [oztori] Ring in the next 5 minutes and get a free set of steakknives* (does this have a double k one wonders?) to butcher BFP with even more! (was RE: [oztori] BFP - the knives are out!!) [] [oztori] SETI on list ["ennui" ] [oztori] album ordering thing ["Too Much" <2much@elvis.com>] RE: [oztori] just go there ["Renee Hill" ] Oooh Mikewhy dun bad! (RE: [oztori] just go there) [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Release Date... and then some (thanks Cyndi) [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] rate my ass [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] astroturf and noTORIous A. [AndrewR ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:59:14 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] just go there http://thedent.com/scarletbio.html *drools* J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 16:24:28 +0800 From: "ennui" Subject: RE: [oztori] BFP - the knives are out!! N is for Knob wrote// >I kinda like it. But it's a bit like.. Tori sang >through her twat that day. hm. beats talking out of your arse......... sigh. you lot are a bunch of heathen ninnies, aren't you? how could you say such things of BFP? if anything it actually gets better after CaLS. I would admit that Talula seems like it didn't fit together quite right but was added anyway, but for the rest they really imbibe the album with an atmosphere - give it life. I love NotTheRedBaron, I love Little Amsterdam, I loovvveeeeeeeee Voodoo, I loveveveve Doughnut Song, I lveeevvveeeeee Agent Orange, I vello Muhammad, L iove PuttingTheDamageOn, liIveeee Way Down, Hey Jupiter, Twinkle, DaisyDeadPetals, Maynard - did I miss any? :) Oh, and Squeeze will always be better than XTC. Will wrote// >I totally agree my friend. After the Maynard duet the applause seems so >much more passionate than for most of the rest of the show. I don't get it, >I just don't. Maybe the whole surprise value? Ahhhhh whatever. It's a >shame because I really love that song normally. hmm it may have been for him as an abuse survivor, or maybe because they all thought he was Michael Stipe :) and would Toni Childs please stop sending me blank emails. ennui [ chorgrl ] _ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 01:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Ring in the next 5 minutes and get a free set of steakknives* (does this have a double k one wonders?) to butcher BFP with even more! (was RE: [oztori] BFP - the knives are out!!) Fountains of ennui (thanks for the idea, Dylz!) wrote: > N is for Knob wrote// > >I kinda like it. But it's a bit like.. Tori sang > >through her twat that day. > > hm. beats talking out of your arse......... > > sigh. you lot are a bunch of heathen ninnies, aren't > you? how could > you say such things of BFP? It's high time somebody put BFP back in its 'place'. It gets annoying constantly seeing it atop the list of fan's favourites. > if anything it actually > gets better > after CaLS. I would admit that Talula seems like it > didn't fit > together quite right but was added anyway, but for > the rest they > really imbibe the album with an atmosphere - give it > life. Yeah, Agent Orange has got to be like the best 90 seconds Tori has ever committed to record... > I love > NotTheRedBaron, I love Little Amsterdam, I > loovvveeeeeeeee Voodoo, > I loveveveve Doughnut Song, I lveeevvveeeeee Agent > Orange, Oh *dear*. I'd be less concerned if you were declaring your love for the chemical concoction rather than Ms Amos's muzakal concoction. > I vello > Muhammad, L iove PuttingTheDamageOn, liIveeee Way > Down, Hey Jupiter, > Twinkle, DaisyDeadPetals, DDP ain't on BFP. Honey DON'T drop in at the Dew Drop Inn, Nathaniel. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 17:18:22 +0800 From: "ennui" Subject: [oztori] SETI on list Ninny// >DDP ain't on BFP. gosh, really? Maynard neither? you are smart. ennui [ sigh ] _ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 03:54:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] album ordering thing here goes... #1. Little Earthquakes ...also makes it into my "ten albums I would want on a desert island" list #2. Boys for Pele Caught a Lite Sneeze is on here, & it's my favourite Tori song (or one of)... actually I just like the whole album & I'll go with ennui here & say I like ALL the tracks, I don't pick & choose but instead enjoy the variety. & (just to show I don't always think the same as Jas) I really like Voodoo & also the remixes (gasp). I actually like most of the Tori remixes except the Pro Widow one that was a big hit & got played to death on the radio. #3. To Venus & Back (live still orbiting) For some reason I just love this CD. I can play it over & over again. Maybe because it's like a "best of" but with the added sparkle of being live... #4. Under the Pink ...the album that made me "discover" Tori (well actually it was Cornflake Girl, a song that sounded like my life story.) #5. From the Choirgirl Hotel Esp. Raspberry Swirl, iieee, Liquid Diamonds & Playboy Mommy. (followed very closely, almost a tie with) #6. To Venus & Back (venus orbiting) From time to time I get obsessed with Bliss. & anyone who doesn't feel 1000 oceans tug at their heartstrings when they hear it can't have a heart. :P #7. Strange Little Girls I know it's the cool thing to pretend this album is a crock of shit, but I used to listen to it on repeat a hell of a lot when it came out last year. I still like about 3/4 of it. Esp. New Age & I'm Not in Love. #8. Y Kan't Tori Read I only put this last because I haven't listened to it enough.... of course that doesn't include all the B-sides which this week I have been listening to compulsively thanks to our man in Geelong... Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 11:17:17 +1000 From: "Renee Hill" Subject: RE: [oztori] just go there >http://thedent.com/scarletbio.html > >*drools* >J GONE!! What was it, Jules? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 19:57:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Oooh Mikewhy dun bad! (RE: [oztori] just go there) Renee Hill wrote: > >http://thedent.com/scarletbio.html > > > >*drools* > >J > > > GONE!! What was it, Jules? Oh dear, "This has been removed at the request of Tori's management. I am sorry for any inconvenience..." How pathetic. Epic's "let's keep everything about Scarlet's Walk as secret as possible" is ridiculous. I bet the CD is going to be 'copy-protected' (sic) too. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:37:40 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: [oztori] Scarlet's Walk Bio Part 1 Broken down into two parts because it too long! (or if you do recieve the first attempt well you get it three times :P) > GONE!! What was it, Jules? AH, crap. How firggin sad. I thought to myself last night as I read it that I should copy and paste it into something... and now I find a friend did save a copy of it. so, here you go: ********************************************** Scarlet's Walk Bio *** Warning: Do not read if you wish to keep the contents of Scarlet's Walk a secret until you hear it! *** Tori Amos Scarlet's Walk  bio Not so much a collection of songs as a sonic novel, Scarlet's Walk is the new album from Tori Amos. Both highly personal and deeply political, it's an epic and thought-proving journey though America. A road trip in the classic Kerouac tradition, narrated by a character called Scarlet who is Amos herself and yet who is also Everywoman. "Scarlet is walking in my shoes," says Tori. "You could say she's based on me. Or perhaps I am based on her." As on all good road trips, along the way Scarlet discovers much about the world around her and even more about herself. About the past and where we've been and where we might be headed. Populated by a cast of sometimes desperate but always fascinating characters and rich in symbolism and allegory, it's both a voyage of self-discovery and an examination of the stark choices facing us in a world which often seems to have lost its moral compass. Partly inspired by the stories told by Tori's mother of her Cherokee family's history and partly by the crisis of identity in contemporary America, it is the most challenging, ambitious and vivid creation from Tori Amos's fertile imagination to date. Scarlet's Walk begins on the West Coast, where she visits AMBER WAVES, a phrase found in America The Beautiful and also the name of a porn star in the movie Boogie Nights. Amber's in trouble. "She had arrived in the city of angels with a dream of being someone. But from ballet class to lap dance and straight to video', her soul has been slowly eroded. She's still a young woman, perhaps in her late 20s. But the porn baron who made her a star has moved on to the next ingenue. The public has eatern her and spat her out and she has nobody who cares". So Scarlet and Amber undertake a journey, which eventually leads Scarlet to Alaska to see the Northern Lights. "There she's given the message to tell Amber they're not drowning, but waving." A SORTA FAIRYTALE finds Scarlet back in LA with a man she has convinced herself is her life's soul mate. "They take the big trip in the classic car up the Pacific Coast highway and across the desert.But as they go on, the masks drop away and they discover the fantasy they have of each other isn't who they really are." They end up back where they started and Scarlet leaves. "They did care. But somehow they lost each other. Which is why it's only A Sorta Fairytale..." Scarlet moves on to take other lovers. In WEDNESDAY she's in a relationship with a man who harbours secrets. "The trust is gone and she doesn't know whether she is imaging that he's up to something or whether he really is. She's becoming something she never wanted to become - possessive and suspicious." But on another level, Scarlet's love-affair is with America. " Is the land of the free really so free? People have put their trust in the ideal of America. But whether it's the broken treaties with the native American people or the recent stock market crash , greed has taken over." On STRANGE, Scarlet's journey takes her to the sites of some of the last stands of the native American people, including Little Big Horn. From there she journeys on through the Bad Lands. "Scarlet has taken on the beliefs of her lovers and on another level those of her country. But she's begun to question them. We are taught that America stands for democracy. But that's not what she's seeing." Next she meets up with the manic depressive CARBON. They travel through the Black Hills of Dakota and to Wounded Knee, scene of one of the darkest episodes in Native American history. "All Carbon wants is to disintegrate into nothingness. So its an extremely destructive story. Just as people risked their lives to keep their sacred land, a meltdown is about to happen in her life and a waltz into insanity is on the horizon. She's on this downhill race in her mind and Scarlet has to get to her before she kills herself." They end up in a ski resort - Bear Claw , Free Fall and Gunner's View in the song are all ski runs. But for Carbon the normal parameters and boundaries have ceased to apply and given way to self-mutilation and an urge to plunge over the cliff. Scarlet walks into this madness, but the outcome is left unresolved. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 13:38:22 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: [oztori] Scarlet's Walk Bio Part 2 Part 2: *************** At this point a character called CRAZY comes into Scarlet's life. "He makes a lot of sense and seems to take the pain away for a while so she follows him. "He's seductive and dangerous and its delicious. But you know that it's enot forever because you can't hold on to him." Together they travel through cowboy country and back to the desert, before he abandons her in Tucson There Scarlet picks up the voice of the Native American ancestors on WAMPUM PRAYER after visiting the site of a massacre of the Apache people. "She has a dream and follows the voice and prayer of an old woman who survived and whose song is woven into the land." There's an obvious parallel with the songlines of Aboriginal folklore in Australia as Scarlet is propelled by the dream until she reaches Cherokee country and the ancestry of her own people. In a further dream, she hears the cry of her niece, who is living in Las Vegas, 18 and in trouble. "The problem is that if Scarlet has to go to help her, she's going to need to confront her own past. The Prince of Black Jacks, who runs the town, is an old flame. If she goes, she's going to need his help.But she knows there's going to be a price to pay - hence her cry, DON'T MAKE ME COME TO VEGAS. Her prayer is answered and instead SWEET SANGRIA finds her in Austin, Texas. There she meets a Latino revolutionary, fighting American intervention in Central and Southern America. But the more Scarlet is drawn into the fight, the more she begins to see that she can't go along with hurting innocent people -on either side. "For him the end justified the means. But although she believes in the cause, she can't load the gun.. It's about what you believe in and how far you're prepared to go." She leaves him on the border at Laredo and YOUR CLOUD finds her travelling alone up the Mississippi to Memphis. From there she travels on to a place where thousands of Cherokees died. "She's thinking about the idea of segregation and people separating themselves from the land. Everybody has a body map, and she's trying to find hers." She also visits the battlefields of the Civil War, before she arrives in Philadelphia where she sees the Liberty Bell - and observes that it is cracked. PANCAKE finds Scarlet heading into Delaware and towards the north- eastern seats of learning and power. There she meets a Messiah figure , but swiftly becomes disillusioned. If her Latino revolutionary was all action, this Messiah is all talk. "He doesn't uphold the values which he preaches. He's deaf to the real needs of the people and is becoming drunk on the kind of power which he once denounced." From Boston, the story switches to New York, where Scarlet witnesses a plane crash in mid-air. Tori was in the city on September 11 and I CAN'T SEE NEW YORK is a story with obvious echoes of that fateful day. "When they watched it on TV , people had to remind themselves that it wasn't a movie. Being there and being able to smell it, you knew that it was reality." Trying to escape from New York, Scarlet picks up a ride. "Scarlet has a lot of questions and no answers at a time when the world is in deep trouble. Everything is twisted. But MRS JESUS represents life and she takes a ride with her out of the city to try to make some sense of what has happened." They part in Chicago, where Scarlet looks up old friends.There she learns of the death of a gay friend and resolves to visit his house in Baton Rouge, before travelling on to New Orleans. "TAXI RIDE is about how people react to death and the betrayal that can happen even after death." New Orleans is warm and balmy with the smell of honeysuckle in the air. But Scarlet is grappling with covetousness in ANOTHER GIRL'S PARADISE. Her travels take her through Florida and to Hawaii , before she returns to Miami. "All the time she's having a conversation with desire. And she realises that very few of us can genuinely wish each other good in a selfless way." On SCARLET'S WALK she traces the footsteps of the early European settlers along the east coast and passes through the capital of the Cherokee nation. "In the song, America is a young girl looking over the water at another young girl, who may be called France or Spain or England. She's curious so she invites them over. Pretty soon, they've moved in and taken everything - the husband, the house and the job - and the new sheriff is in charge." The walk also picks up the story of the grandfather of Amos's grandmother, a full-bloodied Cherokee. In VIRGINIA , Scarlet makes her way up to Washington and visits Jamestown, one of the earliest settlements. She wonders how a land built on the notion of freedom for the settlers could deny freedom to the native American people. "In her mind she sees the white brother coming and the young native American girl following. The mythology of another land has been imposed on America." Last year, Tori gave birth to a daughter, and at the end of her journey, so does Scarlet. On the birth of her child in GOLD DUST, she is finally able to see the map she has lost. "From being the woman of adventure, she now has another life dependent upon her. And she sees that which is permanent and that which is transitory in a new light. When the Twin Towers went down we realised that what is permanent rests in your heart." Such a brief synopsis only scratches the surface of the themes explored in Scarlet's Walk. Multi-layered, cinematic and challenging, it is an album that provokes and stimulates and reveals new depths of meaning with every listen. Tori Amos walks it like she talks it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 00:53:42 -0500 From: kittenswrappedincement Subject: [oztori] Fw:spice girls' vocal concert ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 15:58:56 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] Fw:spice girls' vocal concert gah! this crap is getting so annoying. will one of the techo geeks out there (*looks adoringly at you all*) fix this crap ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:03:36 +0930 From: "lb" Subject: Re: [oztori] Fw:spice girls' vocal concert > this crap is getting so annoying. Really? I rather like it. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:20:43 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Release Date... and then some (thanks Cyndi) I just got on the 'net - and so haven't read the e-mails in my inbox... but, while I remember it I was at HMV, Queen Street, Brisbane last night, and I asked about the Tori Release Date, there was no Single release date listed, but Scarlet's Walk was listed for the 21st of October... so that is a week earlier than what Sounds and Chermside had listed... both current release 'pages'. So I don't know what is going on. Oh, and sorry if this is old info. BTW, I went up to the shop that was the old Record Market at the top of the Queen Street Mall as well (Which is open till 10pm on a Friday!!) And well, I happen to step in and see that they are having a fekking big sale... Lots of stuff on Sale... I bought the first two Cranberries' albums (which I've been wanting to get for well, several years... sheesh like 8 years! :) And their 'chart stuff' is 30% off. Plus as you go further into the store there are tables and tables of stuff like $20 - $15 - $10 etc. and a lot of good stuff - not crap. (Well not ALL of it) :) Thought some of you might like to give it a bit of a squizz... I saw things that I had, like A few Sez Mac albums - Touch, Solace, FTE (Live)... A few P.J. Harvey albums, like Stories... and To Bring you my love... Does anyone know what that "Olive" album was like? I liked that one single from 1997... "You're not alone" or what-ever (that was there for $15) There was probably a whole lot o' other stuff, but I went in there on closing time... Oh, and at HMV they have a 2 for $40 sale (which isn't as good) but they have a lot of good 'newish' titles on sale. There were two I was contemplating on getting, which I now can't remember - I think CD store amnesia works both ways!! ANNNND, at Sounds at Chermside they have a smallish sale out the front with a number of good prices... I think Alanis' Under Rug Swept was on sale and so was Nat Imbruglia's White Lillies Island was on sale. They also have good prices for a lot of chart/new release albums there i.e. a lot of stuff for $21.95 Where it might be $24.95->$31.95 at HMV. And what is with the the fucking prices for imports!?! I've always been contemplating getting the Stargate - The Movie soundtrack, it was nearly $50 import. Sheesh... I think I've got to start bying more CDs online from overseas... or does it eventually pan out to be the same price anyway? I also noticed that at amazon.com or some online cd store that they had 'second hand' CD's available to purchase... the problem is how can you vouch for their quality? Andrew np: "In the Lowlands" - Crowded House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:23:43 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] My website has been updated At 05:39 30/08/2002 +0100, Daniel wrote: >first person to email me saying that they want to do >the oztori website - its theirs. No, No - I meant maybe it could be a GROUP effort. When people want to contribute somthing - they send it to a 'coordinator' and he/she will just load it up. And make it that it has to have some linking feature - like the link/logo. etc. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:25:28 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] scarlets walk on amazon At 21:43 29/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >Daniel wrote: >Being the alphabet-fetishist that I am, I am pleased >to see that Tori has included a track beginning with >the letter "V" on this album - "Virginia". > >That 'only' leaves the letters K, Q, X and Z that she >does not have recorded song titles for. DAMN her for >not getting Zero Point out!! (**and before any >smarty-pants-types claim, "but what about Killing Me >Softly for K?" - she only did that LIVE - twasn't ever >officially released). What about Mr. Zebra... it could be listed as... Zebra, Mr. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:30:13 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] rate my ass At 14:53 30/08/2002 +1000, Julian P wrote: NOT THIS AGAIN!?! ;o) >Okay, I wanna hear your ranking of the albums, Nayth. >And in the spirit of "you give me yours, I'll give you mine", here's my ranking: [snip] Here it is: and of course it changes ALL the time. 1. Boys For Pele 2. Under The Pink 3. Little Earthquakes 4. More Pink 5. To Venus and Back 6. Y Kant Tori Read 7. From the Choirgirl Hotel 8. Strange Little Girls 9. Still Orbiting ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:35:18 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] astroturf and noTORIous A. At 21:54 29/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >Will Johncock wrote: > >> I totally agree my friend. > >Muhammad, my friend... > > >> After the Maynard duet >> the applause seems so >> much more passionate than for most of the rest of >> the show. I don't get it, >> I just don't. > >Me neither. BUT this WAS an audience renouned for >it's "oh I'm so sensitive" tears & lip >out-of-synch-ing. So taste clearly was not their >'forte'. > > >And yeah "Mrs Jesus" is a kinda dumb name for a song. >Makes me think of a middle-aged woman in a pink >nighy, mocassins & hair rollers for some reason. > Well, maybe it's Scarlet's journey through the South or the very least Utah... Cause - I was listening to the Radio interview mp3 at uni (cause it's a nice and fast connection) from diagnosedsounds/hereinmyhead.com from Star FM or whatever - and so I've finally heard ASF... I really, loved that interview - I think I could listen to Tori speak until the cows (or at least one cow) came home... Tori mentions her visiting a porn-star friend... (Beene? ;o) ) And she says they do end up going to Vegas in the album... and it is part of the track listing... *can't remember name off the top of my head right now*. > >And AndrewR - "ScuzzWalk" is a COOL 'nickname' for >Scarlet's Walk! YAY! Why I'm glad to oblige, Sir ;o) Andrew np: "Better Be Home Soon" Crowded House ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 16:41:39 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: RE: [oztori] BFP - the sporks are out!! At 16:24 30/08/2002 +0800, ennui wrote: >and would Toni Childs please stop sending me blank emails. > She wants you to buy her album! :) >ennui [ chorgrl ] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2002 17:07:02 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Meow From that ScuzzWalk overview: "Her travels take her through Florida and to Hawaii , before she returns to Miami." Tori says this (the album) is a Journey from West to East... Either Scarlet goes on a VERY big Detour from "Florida to Hawai'i" or Tori's not too good with her geography. ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #253 ****************************