From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #250 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Wednesday, August 28 2002 Volume 02 : Number 250 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Shouldn't it be "Here *are* the 'full headers'"?¿?¿? [Rebecc] Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) [] [oztori] Re: Quiz: Which Tori B-side are you? [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill [Rebecca Appleton ] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] [w] [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity ["nina riddel" ] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill ["nina riddel" ] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill [Rebecca Appleton ] Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Fwd: tori sighting [Nadyne Mielke ] Re: [oztori] Fwd: tori sighting [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill ["nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity Jonceski Jasmina wrote: > In reply to the whole lesbian thing Nathan retorted: > > She's probably thought of as a 'lesbian' because > she > > doesn't have implants, revealing clothing, and > market > > herself to a teen male audience. > > And all I want to say is that ...they don't really care about us (to throw in obligatory Michael Jackson song lyric.. Speaking about 'femininity'.. lol. Though somebody actually bought me the CD single of that, costing a whole $1.95, for my 22nd b'day). > Nathan also said this which I'm failing to respond > to: > > OK. 'Society at large' probably believe that, on > the > > whole, lesbians are less "girlie" than their > > 'straight' counterparts. Therefore, I was saying > that > > perhaps Tori really isn't seen as that 'girlie' by > > some, if people who barely know anything about her > > assume that she is a lesbian. > > Gah, I'm so tempted to repond to that with one of > the silliest ideas > I've ever heard from someone but I just can't word > it to sound right so > I'm stuffed. And I guess you don't get to hear it. Oh go on do tell! We won't laugh at you (much). Which reminds me.. of this BFP review from Sterophile, May 1996: http://www.stuff.to/include.php?include=/taart/Stereophile_0596.txt& Tori Amos: Boys For Pele By: Beth Jacques Watch out for those nasty undercurrents on Tori Amos's new Boys for Pele. Beth Jacques is not amused It's obvious to me that RL slung Tori Amos's third release my way for reasons similar to those of Judge Ito vetting the OJ jury: Having lived in a cave as far as (ick) singer-songwriters are concerned, my reply to working on an Amos review was, "Uh, who?" Like that OJ jury, I'm not gonna be a popular kitty: In the words of the immortal Bart Simpson (or was it Beavis?), Boys For Pele pretty much sucks. Maybe literally, as Ms. Amos appears to have come out of the closet here in a major way, and certainly, as opposed to the finely modeled songcraft, unusual imagery, lyrical lines, and deft performances of her debut album Little Earthquakes and the follow-up Under The Pink. (I do my homework and learn fast.) While the imaginative and moving Bells For Her (Under The Pink; note too, the wistful, chiming soundscape, via modified upright piano) may be a lightly veiled lesbian declaration, it also speaks to universal truth - - here, of a troubled female friendship, crystallizing like a bright and shining gift the get-well wish I would write for a friend of mine, if I could ever write as well as Tori Amos. So why pop a gifted horse in the mouth, burning her Bosendorfer (figuratively: much Romantic pounding of the keys here; and literally: see the CD liner card) and sinking luxuriously into the most elliptical and hermetic verbalization since Mallarme? Okay, okay, okay, she's swapped boys for Pele, the goddess of the volcano, and the most meaningful orgasm since Eve's (assuming, of course, she's not recruiting a South American soccer team, such is the delicate obfuscation of practically everything on this LP). And maybe she still wants to keep her stadium-size crossover audience to finance that upcoming career playing tinly little bars, like she did in her teens. Or not. Veiled references to lesbian love, notes documenting the general appallingness of the boys (don't miss the CD liner snaps: plenty of snakes, guns, and Ms. Amos breast-feeding, yes, a tiny pig), a predilection for the Grand Guignol, and lyrical meditations about chickens with a taste for meat (Blood Roses) and an angry snatch (In The Springtime of His Voodoo) pop so relentlessly to the fore that one can only say, with the fortitude of the Absolutely Fabulous editorial gentleman working to ameliorate a stream of feminine invective consisting entirely of the word "twat," Oh Dear, Mr. Dictionary has deserted us again. Anyhow, Under The Pink's monotheistic "Icicle" ("Icicle, icicle, where are you going?") has clearly melted away int he fiery womb of the bitch volcano. Should you wish to pursue this train of thought, be advised that on Boys For Pele, Ms. Amos's usual complement of musicians play very well, musical compositions and development yield to fragmentation, Ms. Amos can growl as well as sing, and the Bosendorfer has been recorded better (notably, by Kevin Killen on Under The Pink. The accompanying limited-edition 2-LP collectors issue (what? Gurrlzz don't buy CDs?) rounds up the piano sound a little, but we're not talking Telarc here, so of course it would. Also, the more vivid photo imagery has been cut; it's safe to leave the LP lying around in Wal-Mart. Will you like this album anyway? If you're interested in marginalization, self-destructive behavior, running off at the mouth in the name of freedom of expression, and artistic suicide, sure. If Ms. Amos currently prefers the Promethean fire of the female to the flame she says she's stolen from men, and says so as the act of an honorable woman, fine. But taken to its logical extension, there's an extremely nasty undercurrent ripping out to sea right about here. The male of the species is weighed in the balance and found inherently wanting, an us-vs-them mentality spotted all too easily in folks as diverse as Sister Souljah, Pat Buchanan, and any Ayatollah you care to name. Two wrongs don't make a right. There's something smug, self-satisfied, divisive - precious, in the Chrissie Hynde sense of the word - about Boys for Pele that puts me off. Going to the videotape, a professional second opinion (male) determines that the music is well-performed but bits and pieces, content is lesbian to the core, and he'd rather listen to Laurie Anderson. Me too. The best parties are the ones to which you're invited. - - Beth Jacques Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:39:33 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Shouldn't it be "Here *are* the 'full headers'"?¿?¿? On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:18:23 -0700 (PDT), Nathan ". wrote: >>well, >>good on her. As long as she doesn't start insulting >>our >>sensibilities with pathetic lyrics, I'm good. > >Well she already tried (and succeeded) that with 1000 >Oceans. *LOL* I did consider mentioning that one by name in there, but was good and refrained... shoulda known YOU couldn't help yourself. :P ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:40:36 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:33:45 -0700 (PDT), Too Much wrote: >That's nice dear, but I don't really see its relevance >to my original statement unless I choose to take the >argumentative route that you are stating either (a) >lesbians are not "girlie"; Thank you. Beat me to it. ~R. :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 12:37:14 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Re: Quiz: Which Tori B-side are you? > Go to > http://casket4mytears83.tripod.com/quiz/bsides.html > and find out. even though i think this site rips off my layout/etc (http://members.optushome.com.au/ginbelle/) i am: "You are Cooling One of the most beloved Tori B-Sides, you're a song held back from the Pele era until Choirgirl era. You're a little lost and confused, and often feel rejected by loved ones. Things seem to change fast in your life, faster than you can handle them. Where you see beauty, others miss the spark. "Fire thought she'd really rather be water instead" " kinda true, i guess.... rachael xxxx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:42:17 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:31:34 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >At 04:25 26/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: > >>Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily see >>that. I had not one but two different people ask me >>if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. And heh, anyway, how would YOU know if Tori'd been a lesbian in the last week? :P >I had someone I was talking to suprised to hear that Sarah McLachlan >wasn't >a lesbian. (Unless she is and just a had a baby a la Melissa >Ethridge). > My biggest shock about Sarah McLachlan when I finally saw a video of her was that she was so average-looking!! I was sure she'd be a goth! ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:16:24 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] [v] They played: 1. CFG 2. SLG 3. Got80s This was my first time seeing Got80s on a proper TV screen, and not as a dodgy low quality movie file on my computer. Whoever did her hair and makeup should get some kind of medal. It takes real talent to make someone so beautiful look so repulsive. Which is a shame, b/c the whole torture chanber/leather fetish thing is kinda cool. ;-) Jules karma drawn up in lines - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 09:08:43 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= Subject: [oztori] Re: oztori-digest V2 #249 > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:55:45 +1000 > From: "Bindy ." > Subject: [oztori] Virus shite > > Dan!!! > > Can you do a virus scan on the list please. I think it's sick and > needs > some drugs. > > > > ~Bindy LOL I think we all need drugs dear!!! It did it to me too - and I'm getting horny lesbian college girls 3 way junk mails to my hotmail...I mean why???? if anyone knows anything about me, they'd know i'm not interested in that!!!!! re the lesbian thang - i will say that most lesbians i know (and maybes its a melbourne thing) are very butch...i've met a couple of lipstick lesbians...if anyone has eva been to the Glasshouse you'll know what i'm talking about!!!! But of course, all the lesbians on this list are lovely ppl and i'm sure i'd like u all in real life :) People may perceive Tori as being a lesbian because she's not in the tabloid mags (a la NW, the best goss mag eva! LOL) constantly with her husband...so if ppl a) actually know who she is and b) actually care, they prolly won't know that she's married. I thinkt that's what mr nayth was saying... hmmm anyways :) hope i didn't offend anyone!!! dylan ===== Cheers dylan http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - - Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 10:15:43 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's femininity >I (nearly) agree with you there; but Tori has said >herself that "feminism is dead". She would not call >herself a "feminist" - although, yes, she is obviously >an advocate of women's rights. PJ Harvey also refuses to be called a feminist, although for all practical purposes she porobably is one. I think she denies they label because she says she doesn't know enough about feminism to call herself one. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:05:38 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill At 21:42 27/08/2002 GMT, Rebecca Appleton wrote: >On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:31:34 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >>At 04:25 26/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >> >>>Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily see >>>that. I had not one but two different people ask me >>>if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. > >And heh, anyway, how would YOU know if Tori'd been a lesbian in the >last week? :P > >>I had someone I was talking to suprised to hear that Sarah McLachlan >>wasn't >>a lesbian. (Unless she is and just a had a baby a la Melissa >>Ethridge). >> > >My biggest shock about Sarah McLachlan when I finally saw a video of >her was that she was so average-looking!! I was sure she'd be a >goth! > >~Becc :) I think Sez Mac is really quite pretty. Are you saying that not goth = average looking or "average" being a sort of opposite for "outlandish/gothesque"? Andrew P.S. I think I like Sez with the short hair over the longer hair from FTE. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:08:53 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] [w] At 23:16 27/08/2002 +1000, Julian P wrote: >They played: > >1. CFG > >2. SLG > >3. Got80s > >This was my first time seeing Got80s on a proper TV screen, and not as a dodgy low quality movie file on my computer. > >Whoever did her hair and makeup should get some kind of medal. It takes real talent to make someone so beautiful look so repulsive. Which is a shame, b/c the whole torture chanber/leather fetish thing is kinda cool. Yeah, with the make-up in that clip - were they trying to give her an eighties look? She's just looks like an uber-whore/over-done-Olivia-Newton-John-at-the-end-of-Grease, I mean, where were the pink hair extensions, vinyl miniskirt and ripped denim jacket with lots of bangles and large hoop earrings!?! :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:36:10 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity wow. this is a clever and well-written article, and i like her metaphors and even agree with some of the points, but i think she might be projecting (her own lesbianity? ;) onto this. because she gives no examples to prove her point. let's take a look: >While the >imaginative and moving Bells For Her (Under The Pink; >note too, the wistful, chiming soundscape, via >modified upright piano) may be a lightly veiled >lesbian declaration, it also speaks to universal truth >- here, of a troubled female friendship, crystallizing >like a bright and shining gift the get-well wish I >would write for a friend of mine, if I could ever >write as well as Tori Amos. ok. so no lesbian content here. agreed. >Veiled references to lesbian love, examples? nada. >notes >documenting the general appallingness of the boys so? you can be outraged by the behaviour of most men and that has nothing to do with who you're attracted to. >(don't miss the CD liner snaps: plenty of snakes, >guns, and Ms. Amos breast-feeding, yes, a tiny pig) was it a female pig????? ;) >lyrical >meditations about chickens with a taste for meat obviously, that's inherently lesbian! not. >and an angry snatch again, what has talking about your vagina got to do with your sexual preference? >If Ms. Amos currently >prefers the Promethean fire of the female to the flame >she says she's stolen from men, and says so as the act >of an honorable woman, fine. But taken to its logical >extension, there's an extremely nasty undercurrent >ripping out to sea right about here. The male of the >species is weighed in the balance and found inherently >wanting, yes, she's pissed off with men. she just broke up with one. hands up if you've never been pissed off with men in general? even the gay boys have :) >content is lesbian conclusion based on WHAT? hey, i'm one of those people that reads lesbianism into everything, and even i think she's the str8est girl i know. can you tell i'm avoiding work? _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:45:22 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill > >My biggest shock about Sarah McLachlan when I finally saw a video of > >her was that she was so average-looking!! I was sure she'd be a > >goth! > > > >~Becc :) i think i'd like her if she were goth. but i associate her with that hairy armpits-acoustic guitar-doc martens look which, although at times i fit all those criteria, i really hate (especially because it's an even bigger stereotype than the butch dyke). _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:07:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] she's got you shaving your legs On Tue, 27 August 2002, Rebecca Appleton wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:33:45 -0700 (PDT), Too Much > wrote: > >That's nice dear, but I don't really see its relevance > >to my original statement unless I choose to take the > >argumentative route that you are stating either (a) > >lesbians are not "girlie"; > > Thank you. Beat me to it. > > ~R. :) What? Don't tell me we actually *agree* about something!? ;) *grin* Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:10:33 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 12:05:38 +1000, AndrewR wrote: >I think Sez Mac is really quite pretty. Are you saying that not goth >= >average looking or "average" being a sort of opposite for >"outlandish/gothesque"? *thinks about that* Uhhh... *kicks brain into gear* Yes, that's right, "average" as in "mainstream". Not "average" as in unattractive looking. ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:18:33 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill On Wed, 28 Aug 2002 13:45:22 +1000, nina riddel wrote: >i think i'd like her if she were goth. but i associate her with that >hairy >armpits-acoustic guitar-doc martens look which, although at times i >fit all >those criteria, i really hate (especially because it's an even >bigger >stereotype than the butch dyke). Uhm... are we talking about the same Sarah McLachlan? Agreed that I'd probably find her more attractive if she was a goth (her normalcy really threw me, lol), but hairy armpits? Acoustic guitar? Doc Martens? Are you talking confusing her for Ani Difranco, p'rhaps? Bah @ you, I like that DTE look. :P Well, 'cept for the hairy armpits, anyway. Armpit hair is just the most revolting hair, isn't it? On men AND women, I mean (and don't try to engage me in an argument about body hair, I'm not interested!). Sorta frizzy but not curly, looks like old men's beards... *shudders* ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 16:21:34 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] she's got you shaving your legs On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 21:07:21 -0700 (PDT), Too Much wrote: >What? Don't tell me we actually *agree* about >something!? ;) Who says we do? *glare* *grins* ~R. :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] [v] Julian P wrote of the GOT(tobecertain)80s clip: > Whoever did her hair and makeup should get some kind > of medal. It takes real talent to make someone so > beautiful look so repulsive. Well, I think she looks cool actually. Though the frizzy orange hair is a bit off-putting at times. But love the black lipstick. > Which is a shame, b/c > the whole torture chanber/leather fetish thing is > kinda cool. I think you'll find it's actually PVC. Rats. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:42:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's lesbianity nina riddel wrote: > >Veiled references to lesbian love, > > examples? nada. - - "I need a big loan from the girl zone" - - "tuna, rubber, a little blubber in my igloo" - Tori doing 'stuff' with Marianne. - - "you think I'm a queer" - - "two girls, sixty-five, got a piece tied up in the back seat" - - "are you gay, are you blue, thought we both could use a friend to run to" - - "I say her skinny legs could use sun" - Tori checking out another chick's thighs - - "got an angry snatch, girls" - why would Tori be telling GIRLS about her angry snatch, unless she wanted them to notice? - - "boy so hard, but I know a girl twice as hard" - talking about a butch les who she admires. - - "maybe I'm the anchor man" - Tori expressing her desire to be male. > so? you can be outraged by the behaviour of most men > and that has nothing to > do with who you're attracted to. I don't think any of us know "most" men though - I mean, if there are roughly 2.5 billion or so men on the planet, we each only know a tiny snippet of them really. > >(don't miss the CD liner snaps: plenty of snakes, > >guns, and Ms. Amos breast-feeding, yes, a tiny pig) > > was it a female pig????? ;) No, the idea behind it was Tori saying, "all men are pigs" (who just want to suck my titties). > >lyrical > >meditations about chickens with a taste for meat > > obviously, that's inherently lesbian! not. Agreed. Chickens with a taste for fish on the other hand... > >content is lesbian > > conclusion based on WHAT? See the evidence I have listed above. > hey, i'm one of those people that reads lesbianism > into everything, and even > i think she's the str8est girl i know. Yes, the straightest one YOU know. Society, on the other hand.. know about a squillion more 'straight-acting' girls than Tori. And if you haven't realised that most of what I said above needs to be taken with a grain of salt.. well, you're stoopid. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 23:46:00 -0700 From: Nadyne Mielke Subject: [oztori] Fwd: tori sighting I just had to share this with y'all, 'cause it made me cringe so much. It was a post to the Precious Things mailing list. >From: [name deleted to protect the idiot] >Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 17:49:38 EDT >Subject: tori sighting >To: precious-things@smoe.org, torinews@smoe.org > >please feel free to pass this on to the dent and any other relevant tori >lists... > >So, it was a dream come true on Sunday night the 25th. Tori came into my >restaurant and I MADE HER DINNER!!!! She came into JoJo, on 64th and Lex in >NYC at around 7 pm. She was with four other people, of whom I did not >recognize, but also didnt care as I was awestruck. She was wearing jeans and >a green halter top-type thing, she looked ravishing. She started with an >asparagus salad and then for her main course, a double order of our tuna >spring roll (usually served as an appetizer as a single order.) I, myself, >MADE the dish. I cannot believe I handled the food that she ultimately put >in her body. What an incredible experience. They also had champagne and a >few other bottles of wine, of which I am not sure, as I am in the kitchen. >We sent her a complimentary cheescake desert, and her party left at around >9-9:30. As ettiquette and rules of the restaurant apply, I wasnt able to go >out and speak to her. She told the waiter she had a marvelous time and >touched his arm. He also is a huge fan an nearly passed out. Talk about a >once in a lifetime event. I assume she made the radio talk circuit while in >town, but I work so much I dont get much time to listen to the radio. Oh my god! I made food that she ate!!!!!!!!!!!!! Christ. Get a fucking grip. /nm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 00:08:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Fwd: tori sighting Nadyne Mielke wrote: > I just had to share this with y'all, 'cause it made > me cringe so much. It > was a post to the Precious Things mailing list. *snip* onto exerpts from the post: > >From: [name deleted to protect the idiot] lol. > She started with an > >asparagus salad Well better she be eating that than Mark, if you get my drift :P > and then for her main course, a > double order of our tuna > >spring roll Tuna? She really *must* be a lesbian. > (usually served as an appetizer as a > single order.) I, myself, > >MADE the dish. I cannot believe I handled the food > that she ultimately put > >in her body. OMG that is such a 'sick' thought. Although the person seriously missed a rare opportunity to poison Tori.. LOL. > but I work so much I dont get much time to > listen to the radio. Yet you can sit here for hours typing silly e-mails. > Oh my god! I made food that she ate!!!!!!!!!!!!! Not nearly as impressive as "I killed Tori by feeding her poisoned food!" > Christ. Get a fucking grip. Heheheh. Agreed. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2002 17:08:51 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill >Uhm... are we talking about the same Sarah McLachlan? Agreed that >I'd probably find her more attractive if she was a goth (her normalcy >really threw me, lol), but hairy armpits? Acoustic guitar? Doc >Martens? Are you talking confusing her for Ani Difranco, p'rhaps? I know the difference. I guess it's that the same people like them, or their music sounds like they come from the same genre. Admittedly, I haven't seen too many photos of SMcL, and I do like one of her songs, but I still associate her with that folky look. >Bah @ you, I like that DTE look. :P DTE stands for what? It has a name? yay! you like it, that's ok. but i hate the way people assume that if you're a lesbian, you have to own a pair of birkenstocks (or, even worse, expect you to find that look really attractive). it's just not my thing (well, maybe in moderation). >(and don't try to engage me in an >argument about body hair, I'm not interested!). good. I have no plans for going here, either. *shudders* :) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #250 ****************************