From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #249 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Tuesday, August 27 2002 Volume 02 : Number 249 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?] Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day [Rebecca Appleton ] Re: [oztori] What songs was I? [Nathan "®" ] RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=] RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' [Rebecca Appleton ] RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Re: [ozvirii] [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] precocious things [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] [oztori] Shouldn't it be "Here *are* the 'full headers'"?¿?¿? [Nathan "®"] Re: [oztori] ringtones [=?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= ] Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) [] Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) [] Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] I'm high above the universe.... [=?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= ] [oztori] Aug 12 2002 12 [s348712 ] [oztori] Virus shite ["Bindy ." ] [oztori] Tori's femininity ["Too Much" <2much@elvis.com>] Re: [oztori] Tori's femininity [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Tori's femininity [Jonceski Jasmina Subject: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day seems my work computer got infected. hmn. don't think the IT department (who hate me anyway) are gonna appreciate that. any ideas on how to get rid of this, or whether it has any nasty long-term effects? Jules uncleeeeeeean uncleeeeeeeean - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:50:09 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 17:35:07 +1000 (EST), Julian P wrote: >seems my work computer got infected. hmn. don't think the IT >department (who hate me anyway) are gonna appreciate that. any ideas >on how to get rid of this, or whether it has any nasty long-term >effects? Presumably your virus program has ID'ed whatever you've got? If so, go to http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/default.asp and run a search on whatever it's called. That'll give you all the info on it, and what to do to get rid of it. And out of curiosity, what IS your email address, Julian? My email program is reading that there are spaces in there, and thus refusing to send email to it as it considers it to be an invalid address... :-/ ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:50:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Re: [ozviruses] Cellpadding AndrewR wrote: > At 03:04 25/08/2002 -0500, s348712 wrote: > > > > > Ummmmmm, I think someone has hacked into my account > or something - cause > there is no way I sent whatever the fuck this e-mail > was. > > Can someone enlighten me as to who might have done > this!?! > > considering I've never sent my username as s348712 Well I also got a 2k e-mail from "clever_tori_reference" (I believe this time it is mimicking you, Mr P), entitled "A IE 6.0 Patch". Methinks something it taking the bit of our e-mail address before the '@' and using it to send dodgy e-mails. lol expect an e-mail from 'nastynayth' sometime soon in your inbox at this rate. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] What songs was I? Daniel wrote: > okay my turn i want a stab at SND. *snip* > Please, if you end up with this as your > answer, > do us a favour and bugger off somewhere quiet so > that > we never hear from you again. And, really, take all > the "Talula" b-sides with you. It's just your whole > family thats screwed up. Why were any of you even > born? *sigh* > > ooh that was harsh. ...but so true. Although I don't mind "Frog On My Toe" and "Alamo" that much.. but the rest, (yes, that means YOU Amazing Grace/Til The Chicken and BT's Synesthasia Mix of Talula) can go. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:58:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' ennui "of course that is my real name" wrote: > A Sorta Fairytale is cool - very relaxed. I think > Tori will one day go > in the > 'Contemporary Adult' category in the record store, I > don't know what > that means > but I'm sure this song qualifies her for it. :) Well I probably rather she be in the "Adult Contemporary" section than the 'in-my-mid-30's-but-still-desperately-trying-to-appeal-to-a-bunch-'o-fucked-up-teensomethings-who-lipsynch-badly' section which she was in severe danger of being cemented firmly to. We're all getting older by the minute. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:06:03 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Re: [ozviruses] Cellpadding On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 00:50:01 -0700 (PDT), Nathan ". wrote: >Well I also got a 2k e-mail from >"clever_tori_reference" (I believe this time it is >mimicking you, Mr P), entitled "A IE 6.0 Patch". Yah, I got the same thing. It had stuff in the body, too, saying: "You should like this" or something... Smart bastards. ~R. :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:17:56 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day Rebecca wrote: >Presumably your virus program has ID'ed whatever you've got? If so, >go to http://www.mcafee.com/anti-virus/default.asp and run a search >on whatever it's called. That'll give you all the info on it, and >what to do to get rid of it. >And out of curiosity, what IS your email address, Julian? My email >program is reading that there are spaces in there, and thus refusing >to send email to it as it considers it to be an invalid address... >:-/ I'm only guessing I have the virus 'cause an email was sent to this list (being the only email address in my address book for this email account) from my email address (well sort of, it appeared as being from clever_tori_reference when it should have displayed Julian P) about some random topic (IE 6 or some such). The other option is that another infected computer (ennui's?) sent out an email to the list using my email name. Hmn. Noticed the same thing has happened to Andrew R and Roozi. As for my email addy, it's clever_tori_reference@yahoo.com -- with underscores between the words. :-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:22:48 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] Re: [ozviruses] Cellpadding >Well I also got a 2k e-mail from >"clever_tori_reference" (I believe this time it is >mimicking you, Mr P), entitled "A IE 6.0 Patch". >Yah, I got the same thing. It had stuff in the body, too, saying: >"You should like this" or something... Smart bastards. The biggest insult is the bad grammar. I would never write "A [sic] IE 6.0 Patch". Don't they know I'm an anal retentive ex-editor? The indignity of it!!! ;-) Jules Over It - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 18:37:05 +0930 From: "lb" Subject: Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day Julian said: > I'm only guessing I have the virus 'cause an email was sent to this list (being the only email address in >my address book for this email account) from my email address (well sort of, it appeared as being from >clever_tori_reference when it should have displayed Julian P) about some random topic (IE 6 or some >such). The other option is that another infected computer (ennui's?) sent out an email to the list using >my email name. It's not ennui... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 01:42:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Re: [ozviruses] Cellpadding Julian P wrote: > >Well I also got a 2k e-mail from > >"clever_tori_reference" (I believe this time it is > >mimicking you, Mr P), entitled "A IE 6.0 Patch". > > >Yah, I got the same thing. It had stuff in the > body, too, saying: > >"You should like this" or something... Smart > bastards. > > > The biggest insult is the bad grammar. I would never > write "A [sic] IE 6.0 Patch". I was nearly going to comment on that, but thought I would restrain myself this once. > Don't they know I'm an > anal retentive ex-editor? Oh do tell! (preferably in 50 words or less) Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:00:59 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' On Mon, 26 August 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > Well I probably rather she be in the "Adult > Contemporary" section than the > 'in-my-mid-30's-but-still-desperately-trying-to-appeal-to-a-bunch-'o-fucked-up-teensomethings-who-lipsynch-badly' > section which she was in severe danger of being > cemented firmly to. Well, I for one DON'T... the new songs are OK (& growing on me) but one thing I do dislike is the sense that Tori was on a valium, nembutal & panadeine forte bender when she did 'em... I want the fuck-you-for-fucking-me-up, unpopular-outsider-and-proud-of-it, tearing-down-the-patriarchy Tori that I fell in love with back. (Not that she was ever that overt, but it was there to be discovered...) Also, I don't like your implication that once you're in your 30s, life is untroubled & ordinary & hence anyone in their 30s who complains is just trying to sell themselves to troubled teens, either. > We're all getting older by the minute. > Yes, but you're only 23... Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ and you can laugh a spineless laugh we hope your rules and wisdom choke you - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:02:22 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] that stupid virus from the other day >It's not ennui... Eep. Apologies to ennui for the false quasi-accusation. Forgive me? ;-) J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:24:47 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Too Much wrote: >Also, I don't like your implication that once you're in >your 30s, life is untroubled & ordinary & hence anyone >in their 30s who complains is just trying to sell >themselves to troubled teens, either. Is that what he said? I was more under the impression that he was talking about how Tori was growing towards contentedness... something I hope anyone would do as they get older. I used to love the torturedness of Tozza's music too, but I'm afraid I'm just not that tortured myself any more. lol I have trouble with the trying-to-get-myself-into-tortured-mode thing; it's the reason I don't listen to Radiohead any more, if you want a direct reference to your footer. ;) I still think they're great, but I don't want to go back to that, if you get what I mean. If Tori's calmer, more reflective music is a reflection of her movin' on along too, well, good on her. As long as she doesn't start insulting our sensibilities with pathetic lyrics, I'm good. ~R. :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:25:24 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: [oztori] cotton balls and xylophones Too Much retorted: >Also, I don't like your implication that once you're in >your 30s, life is untroubled & ordinary & hence anyone >in their 30s who complains is just trying to sell >themselves to troubled teens, either. While I see where you're coming from, I'm tempted to agree with Nayth's implication (gasp!). While getting older doesn't necessarily mean (and shouldn't mean) that an artist loses their passion, nor does it or should it mean that an artist should content themselves with a quiet life in front of the heater, wearing fuzzy slippers and watching game shows, I guess you would expect an artist, as they age, to lose some of their (for want of a better word) 'petulance' (not that I'm calling Tori petulant) and to find perhaps more subtle or at least different ways to communicate their message and their feelings. I think that is what's happened with Tori with this latest album (if the first 6 of, what, 17 songs? are any indication). The lyrics are still as political, and as subversive as ever (esp Pancake, but also Taxi Ride and some of ASF), but she's just 'hiding it well', y'know? I think this is a trend she really started with Pele. Gradually her lyrics are becoming more veiled. The audience really has to work at them to appreciate them fully. Personally, I think that she's improving in leaps and bounds as a *storyteller* (regardless of what you may think of her *musical* direction). There is a real richness to her lyrics now, that wasn't there (say) back around the time of LE. Lol, getting out of here now, before I get flamed for LE bashing again! Jules (who has been 24 for precisely five days, and therefore considers himself an expert on the subject of maturity) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:50:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] reading Nathan R. On Mon, 26 August 2002, Rebecca Appleton wrote: > > On Mon, 26 Aug 2002 03:00:59 -0700 (PDT), Too Much > wrote: > >Also, I don't like your implication that once you're in > >your 30s, life is untroubled & ordinary & hence anyone > >in their 30s who complains is just trying to sell > >themselves to troubled teens, either. > > Is that what he said? I was more under the impression > that he was > talking about how Tori was growing towards > contentedness... something > I hope anyone would do as they get older. > Possibly, but I got the impression that Nayth's cynicism was showing through... 'in-my-mid-30's-but-still-desperately-trying-to-appeal-to-a-bunch-'o-fucked-up-teensomethings-who-lipsynch-badly' doesn't really say very much about one's frame of mind & a lot more about appearing to be marketing oneself a la Trent Reznor & Billy Corgan... > I used to love the torturedness of Tozza's music too, > but I'm afraid > I'm just not that tortured myself any more. Well, I am, & as I approach the tender age of 25 (which as we know is "old fart" by oztorian standards) I find I'm just getting more "adolescent" & "troubled" (I'm sure the testosterone shots will help me out there...) What I was sharing was an entirely personal preference for Tori to force me to self-analyse & deal with stuff in my past that she has also gone through. Not a role model (she's far too girlie for a start *grin*), just good to hear things that make me confront myself & others. Bearing in mind that I normally have passive-aggressive tendancies & prefer to bottle things up rather than getting them out in the open ("IRL" at least). I'm sure in time I will find some other hook to enable me to "connect" to the new songs (& I'm already fond of Pancake & Gold Dust), just like I have with other songs & artists... but Little Earthquakes is still my favourite album. :) Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:54:19 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' At 14:52 26/08/2002 +0800, ennui wrote: >Andrew// >>Does that mean that I have the virus on my 'puter >>P.S. My puter is 6 years old... and it hasn't had it's flu-injections - >I hope >>I don't have a virus!! :) > > >well your computer should be given a nice warm milky cup of strychnine >and put >out to greener silicate substrate but no, the virus is not on your >computer - it >probably only knows your email address from your posts to the list, the >"From:" >field is completely false. not real. that email did not originate from >your >email account. Oh well, that's good. It couldn't be as bad as all the fekking taiwanese SPAM I get in my inbox... bastards. It's complete gibberish. It's neverending. It totally sucks. Bah! :) Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:57:26 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] precocious things At 17:35 26/08/2002 +1000, Julian P wrote: >seems my work computer got infected. hmn. don't think the IT department (who hate me anyway) are gonna appreciate that. any ideas on how to get rid of this, or whether it has any nasty long-term effects? > >Jules > >uncleeeeeeean uncleeeeeeeean simple, go to the IT guys and scream... "Wash me clean Daddy, wash me clean!" :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 20:59:57 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Re: [ozvirii] At 00:50 26/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >AndrewR wrote: > >> At 03:04 25/08/2002 -0500, s348712 wrote: >> > >> >> >> Ummmmmm, I think someone has hacked into my account >> or something - cause >> there is no way I sent whatever the fuck this e-mail >> was. >> >> Can someone enlighten me as to who might have done >> this!?! >> >> considering I've never sent my username as s348712 > >Well I also got a 2k e-mail from >"clever_tori_reference" (I believe this time it is >mimicking you, Mr P), entitled "A IE 6.0 Patch". I'm guessing it won't do anything... if it's not something like a .doc or a .exe file? It's just a nuisance thing? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:03:01 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] precocious things Andrew R suggested: >simple, go to the IT guys and scream... >"Wash me clean Daddy, wash me clean!" tee hee. I'm sure that will go over well! ;-P J - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:13:12 +1000 From: "Renee Hill" Subject: [oztori] ringtones Hi all, I know this subject has been done before... but I just got a new phone and my lust ringtone didn't stay... so now I need a new Tori ringtone :( Does anyone have any good ones (and looking for Talula?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:18:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Shouldn't it be "Here *are* the 'full headers'"?¿?¿? Rebecca Appleton wrote: > I used to love the torturedness of Tozza's music > too, but I'm afraid > I'm just not that tortured myself any more. lol Mmmm let's see what we can do to try and remedy that :P > If Tori's > calmer, more > reflective music is a reflection of her movin' on > along too, Maybe she grabbed herself a copy of Scott Cain's (PopStars 3 weiner) "I'm Moving On" single and decided it was time. > well, > good on her. As long as she doesn't start insulting > our > sensibilities with pathetic lyrics, I'm good. Well she already tried (and succeeded) that with 1000 Oceans. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:24:29 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Julian=20P?= Subject: Re: [oztori] ringtones didn't u like my Lust ringtone. :-( J Renee Hill wrote: Hi all, I know this subject has been done before... but I just got a new phone and my lust ringtone didn't stay... so now I need a new Tori ringtone :( Does anyone have any good ones (and looking for Talula?) - --------------------------------- Yahoo! Digital How To- Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:25:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > Possibly, but I got the impression that Nayth's > cynicism was showing through... Cynical?? Moi? > What I was sharing was an entirely personal > preference > for Tori to force me to self-analyse & deal with > stuff > in my past that she has also gone through. Not a > role > model (she's far too girlie for a start *grin*), Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily see that. I had not one but two different people ask me if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:29:19 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Shouldn't it be "Here *are* the 'full headers'"? =?iso-8859-1?Q?=BF?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3F=BF=3F?= At 04:18 26/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: Well, I couldn't be fucked adding two words, so I just put 'full headers' in quotation marks. Think of 'full headers' as a title... a la "Full House". :) Andrew (Who know's Nathan secretly has a crush on one of the Olsen Twins) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:31:34 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] poetic license to kill At 04:25 26/08/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily see >that. I had not one but two different people ask me >if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. I had someone I was talking to suprised to hear that Sarah McLachlan wasn't a lesbian. (Unless she is and just a had a baby a la Melissa Ethridge). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:33:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) On Mon, 26 August 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > > What I was sharing was an entirely personal > > preference > > for Tori to force me to self-analyse & deal with > > stuff > > in my past that she has also gone through. Not a > > role > > model (she's far too girlie for a start *grin*), > > Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily see > that. I had not one but two different people ask me > if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. > That's nice dear, but I don't really see its relevance to my original statement unless I choose to take the argumentative route that you are stating either (a) lesbians are not "girlie"; or (b) you think that because 'society at large' regards Tori as a lesbian, therefore Tori *would* be seen as my "role model"... Care to expand? H. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 04:56:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] y kant henry read Nathan R/"everybody knows I'm her friend, everybody knows I'm a les-bi-enne" (forgive me for using poetic license there) Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > On Mon, 26 August 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > > > > > > What I was sharing was an entirely personal > > > preference > > > for Tori to force me to self-analyse & > deal > with > > > stuff > > > in my past that she has also gone through. > Not a > > > role > > > model (she's far too girlie for a start > *grin*), > > > > Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily > see > > that. I had not one but two different people ask > me > > if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. > > > > That's nice dear, but I don't really see its > relevance > to my original statement unless I choose to take the > argumentative route that you are stating either (a) > lesbians are not "girlie"; or (b) you think that > because 'society at large' regards Tori as a > lesbian, > therefore Tori *would* be seen as my "role model"... > > Care to expand? OK. 'Society at large' probably believe that, on the whole, lesbians are less "girlie" than their 'straight' counterparts. Therefore, I was saying that perhaps Tori really isn't seen as that 'girlie' by some, if people who barely know anything about her assume that she is a lesbian. Any further debate will not be entered into, as I am too tired atm :( Nathanzzzzzz. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 05:06:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] poetic license to kill AndrewR wrote: > I had someone I was talking to suprised to hear that > Sarah McLachlan wasn't > a lesbian. (Unless she is and just a had a baby a la > Melissa Ethridge). Well an 'irl' friend (gasp I actually have some) 'said' to me online of Tori: "when is she going to come out and leave the hubbie?" "I am being serious btw" just the other day. Then a cousin of another friend said, when Tori came up (as she does from time to time) in conversation: "Is she a lesbian? I read somewhere that she was." > Andrew (Who know's Nathan secretly has a crush on > one of the Olsen Twins) Er, no.. but they had a totally cool 'tood when they were youngin's on dat show! That is admirable. Nathan. "I don't think you're ready for this jelly Cuz my body too bootylicous for ya babe" ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 09:32:04 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= Subject: [oztori] I'm high above the universe.... > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:14:03 +1000 > From: "Lavenda" > Subject: Re: [oztori] Scarletts' Walk > > > was in HMV Chapel St last nite waiting for a friend and I asked > them > > about the release date of ASF as a single - its not listed. > typical. > > BUT apparently the album is due for release on the 21st Oct now, > not > > the 28th - does this mean we get world exclusive???? Maybes its a > > sweetener for not having toured for 7 sodding years???? who > knows??? > > just thought i'd let yall know! > > I went to the HMV website the other day and they didn't have a > listing for > either. I had been contemplating just asking at the store, but heh, > website > is easier. And they never seem to care about Tori at my local HMV. > > I recall that Oct 21st date being mentioned before, but isn't it an > older > date, the 28th being the more up-to-date one??? That's what I said when I heard the date listing - he said it was the listing that had come out the day b4 or somefin - twas def the most up to date list!!!! Weird huh? > > Date: Sun, 25 Aug 2002 22:14:36 +1000 > From: "Lavenda" > Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozcydni] > > > >> NP: "She Bop" - Cyndi Lauper > > > > > >That song is s'posedta be about masturbation! > > > > > > > Really, its a good song! :) > > Did I never get around to posting the 'masturbation songs' list from > RDTRN > to here??? > > At any rate, I also did some investigating on this song, thinking 'if > only > my mum knew 18 years ago (or whatever it was). If you want the link > (detailing some of the evidence) for She Bop let me know and I'll > track it > down. hehehe, speaking of which has anyone heard my version of Waiting For Tonight by she of the lard ass JLo? hehehe, my friends and I renamed it Jerking Off Tonight...LOL.... > Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 14:52:15 +0800 > From: "ennui" > Subject: RE: [oztori] Here is the 'full headers' > > Andrew// > >Does that mean that I have the virus on my 'puter or that the virus > >holder's virus assumed the username and sent it back out from their > computer? > > >P.S. My puter is 6 years old... and it hasn't had it's > flu-injections - > I hope > >I don't have a virus!! :) > > > well your computer should be given a nice warm milky cup of > strychnine > and put > out to greener silicate substrate but no, the virus is not on your > computer - it > probably only knows your email address from your posts to the list, > the > "From:" > field is completely false. not real. that email did not originate > from > your > email account. if you're still confused Dylan will explain it to you > :) LOL thanx ennui! It happened to me too - all it does is put your email addy in the from field - simple! and also v annoying!!!! BTW, Jules wtf was that IE 6.0 patch thingie u posted??? Are we all being taken advantage of here???? Hmph - if someone's going to take advantage of me, I'd prefer it if it was real life... Oooh, did anyone watch QAF last nite???? V good show, much better than I expected...the first ep sucked ass and then SATC was on, so hadda tape that...LOL was watching Blair Witch/QAF v odd combo... np: Kylie: Light Years (D Bop Remix) am turning into Kylie queen, not good. ===== Cheers dylan http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - - Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:48:23 -0500 From: s348712 Subject: [oztori] Aug 12 2002 12 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 11:55:45 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: [oztori] Virus shite Dan!!! Can you do a virus scan on the list please. I think it's sick and needs some drugs. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 19:34:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] Tori's femininity On Mon, 26 August 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > > > On Mon, 26 August 2002, Nathan "." wrote: > > > > > > > > > > &gt; What I was sharing was an entirely personal > > > &gt; preference > > > &gt; for Tori to force me to self-analyse &amp; > > deal > > with > > > &gt; stuff > > > &gt; in my past that she has also gone through. > > Not a > > > &gt; role > > > &gt; model (she's far too girlie for a start > > *grin*), > > > > > > Well I don't think 'society at large' necessarily > > see > > > that. I had not one but two different people ask > > me > > > if Tori was a lesbian in the last week. > > > > > > > That's nice dear, but I don't really see its > > relevance > > to my original statement unless I choose to take the > > argumentative route that you are stating either (a) > > lesbians are not "girlie"; or (b) you think that > > because 'society at large' regards Tori as a > > lesbian, > > therefore Tori *would* be seen as my "role model"... > > > > Care to expand? > > OK. 'Society at large' probably believe that, on the > whole, lesbians are less "girlie" than their > 'straight' counterparts. Therefore, I was saying that > perhaps Tori really isn't seen as that 'girlie' by > some, if people who barely know anything about her > assume that she is a lesbian. > Ummm... possibly, but since (as you say) "society at large" lesbian stereotypes seem to be butch-inspired (Ellen, kd lang, Sue-Ann Post) I find it difficult that anyone with that mindset would regard Tori as anything less than "high femme"... I was having a conversation with my (blokey hetero suburbanite) bonkbuddy & the first thing he associated with Tori was "oooh, she's the chick who flashes her knickers when she plays piano on stage!" I find it more likely that Tori is deemed "lesbian" because she is an empowered feminist & no amount of knicker-flashing, pretty party dresses, long red hair & countless references to butterflies, flowers & faeries can convince "society at large" types that "feminist" doesn't equal "man-hating lesbian." Hmmm... perhaps this should be my MA topic ;) Henry. too much of a diary: http://2much.livejournal.com/ this is not a conclusion no revolution just a little confusion - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2002 21:06:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's femininity Too Much <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > Ummm... possibly, but since (as you say) "society at > large" lesbian stereotypes seem to be butch-inspired > (Ellen, kd lang, Sue-Ann Post) I find it difficult > that > anyone with that mindset would regard Tori as > anything > less than "high femme"... I was having a > conversation > with my (blokey hetero suburbanite) bonkbuddy & the > first thing he associated with Tori was "oooh, she's > the chick who flashes her knickers when she plays > piano > on stage!" That's funny, since nobody on this continent has seen her on a piano stool for nearly 8 years. > I find it more likely that Tori is deemed "lesbian" > because she is an empowered feminist I (nearly) agree with you there; but Tori has said herself that "feminism is dead". She would not call herself a "feminist" - although, yes, she is obviously an advocate of women's rights. She's probably thought of as a 'lesbian' because she doesn't have implants, revealing clothing, and market herself to a teen male audience. > & no amount of > knicker-flashing, pretty party dresses, long red > hair & > countless references to butterflies, flowers & > faeries > can convince "society at large" types that > "feminist" > doesn't equal "man-hating lesbian." > > Hmmm... perhaps this should be my MA topic ;) Yes, 'twould make a good MA(SturBation) thesis indeed. Nathan. ===== "They don't expect boys to pretend to be nice, but they do with girls, and I'm not a nice person!" - Siobhan Fahey. _______________________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2002 15:09:08 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori's femininity In reply to the whole lesbian thing Nathan retorted: > She's probably thought of as a 'lesbian' because she > doesn't have implants, revealing clothing, and market > herself to a teen male audience. And all I want to say is that I think that is the fact of the matter. I am finding this more and more as people are asking me if the majority of the female artists I do listen to are lesbians. I have been asked this too many times lately that it is really just starting to piss me off... I just can not see why it matters. Why should it matter unless you are trying to get into the person's pants. Nathan also said this which I'm failing to respond to: > OK. 'Society at large' probably believe that, on the > whole, lesbians are less "girlie" than their > 'straight' counterparts. Therefore, I was saying that > perhaps Tori really isn't seen as that 'girlie' by > some, if people who barely know anything about her > assume that she is a lesbian. Gah, I'm so tempted to repond to that with one of the silliest ideas I've ever heard from someone but I just can't word it to sound right so I'm stuffed. And I guess you don't get to hear it. JJ ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #249 ****************************