From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #221 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Tuesday, July 30 2002 Volume 02 : Number 221 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice [Rebecca Appleton ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice ["Pamela Collom" ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice [Jonceski Jasmina ] Re: [oztori] Gavel Voice [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Mice [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] no........... [AndrewR ] [oztori] delurking [=?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= ] Re: [oztori] delurking ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice ["riot poofter" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:43:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice "Bindy ." wrote: > I have now heard the songs that have been floating > around the web that are > to be on the new album and would like to know why > Tori sounds like she's > just smoked a carton of cigarettes? *pretendz to be all expert-ish* As women get older, their fundamental frequency (pitch of the voice) decreases, as the vocal folds become more stiff/gain mass; due to menopause etc. Conversely, men's voices become higher in pitch as they get older (say 55+). 'tis common for smokers to develop this change of voice either at or before they hit Tori's age (ie, when they become very ooooooooold :P). The 'gravelly' quality is caused my irregularity of vocal fold vibration; or thickening of the edge of Tori's vocal folds, caused by such abusive vocal behaviours as she has previously employed in concert (notably the drawn out "gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl" in Precious Things - see RAINN vid). Tori may also be straining her vocal folds more, increasing the tension and subsequently the force at which the folds vibrate. Put simply, I think Tori's voice has deepened as she has 'matured' (euphemism for 'aged'), and she can't hit as high notes as she once could with the same ease. Of course, the fact that she's been smoking crack heavily for the past 15 years of her life does not help matters :P Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 17:52:03 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice On Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:43:05 -0700 (PDT), Nathan ". wrote: >*pretendz to be all expert-ish* > >As women get older, their fundamental frequency (pitch >of the voice) decreases, as the vocal folds become >more stiff/gain mass; due to menopause etc. >Conversely, men's voices become higher in pitch as >they get older (say 55+). > Really?? My voice is going to get lower?? Yay! I *love* women with low voices! :D ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 00:55:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice Rebecca Appleton wrote: > Really?? My voice is going to get lower?? Yay! I > *love* women with > low voices! :D Well maybe slightly lower as you hit 45-ish+. Sooner if you smoke :P Yeah women with low-pitched voices 'rawk'... 'Cept that NZ prime minister who I would have thought was a man had I not seen her face. 'Interesting' (?) fact - Margaret Thatcher took lessons to lower the pitch of her voice when she was Prime Minister. Although Tori can still 'get it up' (:P) a bit these days.. see 'I blame it on Marcel' (well the lyrics I prefer) chorus of Taxi Ride. BUT... I do find it disappointing that these days Tori doesn't even TRY to hit the higher notes eg. in Icicle where she cops out the "I could have, I should have" bit an octave lower. Ditto 'You can say it one more time' part of Take to the Sky live. Really, the only difference between Tori & Milli Vanilli is that she is yet to win a grammy :P Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:02:41 +1000 From: "Pamela Collom" Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice Methinks Tori has been making out with Tom Waits.......and occasionally having her way with Nina Hagen as well. Oh god....what a threesome that would be. I want pictures! :-) Pam _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:14:58 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice Maybe she's just been yelling at Tash too much :D - ----- Original Message ----- From: Nathan rg== Date: Monday, July 29, 2002 5:43 pm Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice > "Bindy ." wrote: > > > I have now heard the songs that have been floating > > around the web that are > > to be on the new album and would like to know why > > Tori sounds like she's > > just smoked a carton of cigarettes? > > *pretendz to be all expert-ish* > > As women get older, their fundamental frequency (pitch > of the voice) decreases, as the vocal folds become > more stiff/gain mass; due to menopause etc. > Conversely, men's voices become higher in pitch as > they get older (say 55+). > > 'tis common for smokers to develop this change of > voice either at or before they hit Tori's age (ie, > when they become very ooooooooold :P). > > The 'gravelly' quality is caused my irregularity of > vocal fold vibration; or thickening of the edge of > Tori's vocal folds, caused by such abusive vocal > behaviours as she has previously employed in concert > (notably the drawn out "gurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrl" > in Precious Things - see RAINN vid). > > Tori may also be straining her vocal folds more, > increasing the tension and subsequently the force at > which the folds vibrate. > > Put simply, I think Tori's voice has deepened as she > has 'matured' (euphemism for 'aged'), and she can't > hit as high notes as she once could with the same > ease. > > Of course, the fact that she's been smoking crack > heavily for the past 15 years of her life does not > help matters :P > > > Nathan. > _______________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better > http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 12:18:16 +0000 From: "Will Johncock" Subject: [oztori] no........... I don't know who john lacey is...but he sure aint me! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:39:59 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Gavel Voice At 13:31 29/07/2002 +1000, Bindy . wrote: >I have now heard the songs that have been floating around the web that are >to be on the new album and would like to know why Tori sounds like she's >just smoked a carton of cigarettes? > >The background vocals are as purty as ever, but the gravel-ish overtones of >the main vocals gets a little much. These are fairly soft and sweet type Like the biscuits? :o) >songs ..... the grungy voice technique doesn't fit. > >I think I will still really like the album, but I hope they do a little bit >of tweeking for it. *hasn't downloaded songs* but I can just hear it now, Tori singing "Believe". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:45:31 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice At 00:55 29/07/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >BUT... I do find it disappointing that these days Tori >doesn't even TRY to hit the higher notes eg. in Icicle >where she cops out the "I could have, I should have" >bit an octave lower. Ditto 'You can say it one more >time' part of Take to the Sky live. I miss these 'little bits of gooey goodness' in Tori's songs. The scarey thing is *I* can still reach those bits when singing along! LOL! > >Really, the only difference between Tori & Milli >Vanilli is that she is yet to win a grammy :P LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:46:48 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Mice At 18:14 29/07/2002 +1000, Jonceski Jasmina wrote: >Maybe she's just been yelling at Tash too much :D Maybe she's been pretending to be an adult baby and has been whailing too much!?! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 22:47:11 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] no........... At 12:18 29/07/2002 +0000, Will Johncock wrote: >I don't know who john lacey is...but he sure aint me! OK, thanks for clearing that up! :o) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 10:53:58 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= Subject: [oztori] delurking Hey everyone, Just wondering if everyone got the email from toriamos.com? Sounds interesting, can't wait to see the vid for A Sorta Fairytale! And i'm wondering if Oct. 29 is the date for ova here as well, prolly not knowing record companies! Ooh, was entering in the tracks into winamp for TVAB and accidentally for Riot Proof, typed in Riot Poof...damn u roozi! LOL...and woke up with "A New Day Is Come" stuck in my head...i've heard the song like once, why i am being tortured with the stick insect from hell??????? (Celine) not happy jan!!!! ooh, and am coming up to syd soon too, not sure when, afta i get my tax return back, which could be a while, have to organize a meet up!!! def want to meet li, dan (all of ya! LOL) roozi etc...let me know yeah? and that's all folks Dylan fan-fairy-tastic! ===== Cheers dylan http://digital.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Digital How To - - Get the best out of your PC! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 02:31:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] delurking > Ooh, was entering in the tracks into winamp for TVAB > and accidentally > for Riot Proof, typed in Riot Poof...damn u roozi! > LOL... "Riot Poof" is the real title...unless you have the promo version, in which case its called "Riot Proof". Yay confusing record companies. Are there any other Belly fans out there who still have no idea whether its "Hot Burrito #1" or "Hot Burrito #2"? ===== And I'm so sad like a good book I can't put this Day Back a sorta fairytale with you Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 18:55:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] delurking Dylan Plant wrote: > Hey everyone, > > Just wondering if everyone got the email from > toriamos.com? Sounds > interesting, can't wait to see the vid for A Sorta > Fairytale! And i'm > wondering if Oct. 29 is the date for ova here as > well, prolly not > knowing record companies! Probably not, because Oct 29th is a Choozday, and we get new releases on Mondays 'ere, unlike the US... so 'if all goes well', I imagine it should be Oct. 28th. > Ooh, was entering in the tracks into winamp for TVAB > and accidentally > for Riot Proof, typed in Riot Poof...damn u roozi! Erm, Riot Poof actually IS Riot POOF, not "Proof". *are you dyslexic, Dylz?* Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:26:20 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] delurking >And I'm so sad like a good book >I can't put this Day Back >a sorta fairytale with you >Everything you'll ever need on one web page >from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts >http://uk.my.yahoo.com wow... i don't remember those last few lines... i guess i didn't listen very carefully to the extra verse in the full version or something... is it a brideg? i just can't seem to make the words fit the music... "eeehehehevrything that you'll eveeerererr neeeheeehhed oon won web peeeheeheege... (i said, yes, well, mutha...)" maybe?? ok, so it was a long weekend teeheehee _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 13:40:32 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice >'Interesting' (?) fact - Margaret Thatcher took >lessons to lower the pitch of her voice when she was >Prime Minister. she had elocution lessons as well when she first entered politics beacsue her voice was too working class for a tory (uk conservatives, spelt differently, although my toriboy@hotmail address used to confuse many a lefty hehehe)... she was the daughter of a grocer (although an affluent one) and thus needed to get help to sound like she'd been ruling class her whole life... there are labor/labbour (depending on country) politicians who go to lessons for the reverse reaosns when they are contesting regional/suburban seats hehe _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 14:13:19 +1000 From: "Bindy ." Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice Spelling nazi alert!! Roozi wrote: >she was the daughter of a grocer (although an affluent one) and thus needed >to get help to sound like she'd been ruling class her whole >life... there >are labor/labbour (depending on country) politicians who >go to lessons for >the reverse reaosns when they are contesting >regional/suburban seats Labor and Labour .... one "B", not 2. No country I know of spells it labbour. Roozi, *shakes head* being the political babbler you are, I thought you would have known better than that. ~Bindy Go to: http://www.livejournal.com/users/cancerian/ for Ramblings From The Moon Child _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:28:10 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice >Spelling nazi alert!! more like typo/not reading before sending alert... >Labor and Labour .... one "B", not 2. No country I know of spells it >labbour. Roozi, *shakes head* being the political babbler you are, I >thought you would have known better than that. well der. i'm a terrible typist and never check what i've typed, but i can assure you i'm a spelling nazi myself... R - ----------[contested histories]-------------------------------------- "there is fiction in the space between the lines on your page of memories write it down but it doesn't mean you're not just telling stories there is fiction in the space between you and me" - - tracy chapman (telling stories) "what part of our history's reinvented and under rug swept? what part of your memory is selective and tends to forget? what's with this distance it seems so obvious?" - - alanis morissette (hands clean) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2002 23:46:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] You can wear the uniform and I could play along (was Re: [oztori] Gravel Voice) Roozi aka riot poofter wrote: > well der. i'm a terrible typist and never check what > i've typed, but i can > assure you i'm a spelling nazi myself... Complete with the matching SS uniform? ;) Naffin. _______________________________________________________ Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 07:05:58 +0000 From: "Jennifer Teapot" Subject: [oztori] OT: Nick Cave Okay, this is going to sound a bit confusing, but I'm looking for a song by Nick Cave. It was on The Secret Life Of Us a few weeks ago, when Evan was playing all those old albums. I know it's by Nick Cave, it's a slow song and it has irish or scottish music in the background. It was playing when Evan was hugging the ex-alcoholic (Annie Jones!). That's an incredibly bad description, but any help would be immensely appreciated. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NP: Desperately Wanting - Better Than Ezra Visit: http://datura.notsweet.net Read: http://fireandwater.diaryland.com "so I went by - 'cause I had the time, and told the Northern Lights to keep shining, they told me to tell you - they're waving" [Tori Amos - Amber Waves] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #221 ****************************