From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #197 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, July 8 2002 Volume 02 : Number 197 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] re: Avril Lavigne [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Tori lied to lil dan [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] OT: Rage Efua special!! (kind of) [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Tiarna message for Tori and more articles on offer. [Nathan ] [oztori] Scarlet's Walk title apparently "confirmed" [Nathan "®" ] Re: [oztori] Tour Petition [Nathan "®" ] [oztori] Re: Tori lied to lil dan [Stephen Poole Subject: Re: [oztori] re: Avril Lavigne At 02:32 7/07/2002 +1000, Kate Findlay wrote: >first of all - HAPPY BIRTHDAY :) > >> avril lavigne....burnt her cd ages ago....okay so i'm cheap and it >wasn't >> released here yet anyway... the girl is absolutely brilliant. >> i did my powerpoint presentation on her actually *laughs* >> AND she writes her lyrics...and they're damn good too. >> yes. yes cath is impressed. > >secondly - burnt her cd ages ago? how so - it only got released >overseas last month! Still not out here either... i got a couple of >mp3s a few weeks ago - but couldn't find much any earlier (was >told to check her out by a friend from canada) > The track info for "Losing Grip" says: "Let Go (Advanced)" I'm guessing an advanced copy? >second of all - Hanson and trendy used in the same email? i'm >sorry - all respect has officially disappeared. You should have heard all the 'tradgedies' that Cath was listing off the other night. The list included Scandal'us, Human Nature, Anastascia, Titney and Christine "Clown Whore" Aguilera... poor Cath, I think it's time for an intervention ;) > >thirdly - andrew - what track did you get? i'm trying to work out the >superjesus comparison - totally not hearing it at all... > "Losing Grip" was the track that Cath sent. >and last of all - i'm in a f@cking bad mood. It's 1:46am and i have >just arrived home from work. I started at 8am and worked through >till 1:30am. I have to be back there at 8:30am tommorrow too. >What idiot thought up midnight openings for albums? Yay - red hot >chili peppers have a new album - is that any reason to keep me at >work till 1:30 in the freaking morning? It's not like i'm getting paid >for it - free pizza for dinner and a free cd that i will probably play >once then put it on the shelf for a couple of years. > They don't PAY you? I'm sure that violates some sort of law, doesn't it? >rant over. >kate >--- >"Give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" - Tori Amos "Why do we crucify our Elves" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:16:50 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori lied to lil dan At 19:34 6/07/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >Well, on the Dent, er *cough* apparently no longer >affilliated with the Dent after Mikewhy hissyfit, >Forums, there is a semi in'tristing thread entitled, >"Who wants Tori to tour Australia?????? need >petition", posted by some poor misguided fool, >'spark658' ['apologies' in advance if this is anyone >here] who believes that a petition my do the trick of >getting Tori down here. What happened in the 'hissyfit'? [snip] >As I understand it, there are NO plans right now for >an Australian Tour in support of 'Scarlet's Walk.' I >am sorry." > So that IS going to be the name? Maybe we could get a tour for the Best of Album! :) > >Secondly: > >"I am actually privy to tour information. No >Australian tour this time as of now; however, you >never know as SJ says; Tori's management has made >weirder changes." Releasing SLG? Creating at least two new singles and then scrubbing them. > >LOL I like how he phrases that - "No Australian tour >THIS TIME", as if she has ever come here in the past?! > Maybe she could come for a 10th anniversary tour (of her first tour) or in 2004 for a 10th anniversary tour of her last tour here). >*rolls bloodshot eyes* You really should go easy on the Botox Nathan. I just had a fantastic idea - LAVS!! Tiarna talks yet? Tape a really soppy 'kiddie-gram' to Tori pleading her to come to Australia or she will cwy!! Or if not Nathan reading abusive Haiku's. :) > > >Nathan. > >np: for some strange reason, I've got Guns n' Roses' >"Welcome to the Jungle" in my head! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 18:18:37 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: Rage Efua special!! (kind of) At 13:22 7/07/2002 +1000, Jonceski Jasmina wrote: >> >> At 22:31 4/07/2002 -0700, Nathan "." wrote: >> >> >For those of you who care, Rage are having a UK >> >> >artistes spesh this Sat'dy nite, and... (wait for >> >> >it).... >> >> > >> >> >Efua's "Somewhere" is getting an airing! - between >> >> 2 >> >> >and 2:30am. > >I sat in front of the tv half asleep and watched. Theyre were some >brilliant songs played. I can't believe I hadn't checked the playlist >earlier. But I was dozing in and out of my sleep and woke up just in >time for this. I had no idea what song it was when Nayth mentioned it >but realised as the vid was on. >This was one of the first (and possibly only) cassingles I ever bought. >And then my sister destroyed it. I was so pissed off when I found that >out. > >That is all > >Jas Well I missed it - but yeah what I did catch earlier in the evening - there were some good tracks - including PJ's "Down By the Water". How thin is that girl!?! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 01:25:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Little fish big fish swimmin' in the water, come back here man gimme my daughter AndrewR wrote: re: Mikewhy Dent Forum hissyfit > What happened in the 'hissyfit'? Didn't delve into the details far enough to find out. Tho' apparently he's sick of the negative stuff etc. on the forums, and no longer wishes his Dent site to be in any way affiliated with it. > >As I understand it, there are NO plans right now > for > >an Australian Tour in support of 'Scarlet's Walk.' > I > >am sorry." > > > So that IS going to be the name? One can only hope NOT ;) > Maybe we could get a tour for the Best of Album! :) Yeah when Tori is washed up & famous nowhere except here in Oz with her desperate hanger-on fans (ie, us) & is forced to tour here permanently in order to feed & clothe Tash and to keep up her drug habit ;) > >Secondly: > > > >"I am actually privy to tour information. No > >Australian tour this time as of now; however, you > >never know as SJ says; Tori's management has made > >weirder changes." > > Releasing SLG? Hahahaa. > Creating at least two new singles and then scrubbing > them. Let'z count: 1) Raspberry Swirl UK - pressed but withdrawn 2) Jackie's Strength UK - planned & promo'd but slated 3) Glory of the 80's UK - delayed, mis-pressed disc 1 withdrawn from sale. 4) Strange Little Girl worldwide - planned, some pressed but withheld from official release, idea scrapped. > Maybe she could come for a 10th anniversary tour (of > her first tour) or in > 2004 for a 10th anniversary tour of her last tour > here). More like a 25th anniversary... If we're lucky. > I just had a fantastic idea - LAVS!! Tiarna talks > yet? Tape a really soppy > 'kiddie-gram' to Tori pleading her to come to > Australia or she will cwy!! "I weawwy want Towi to tome to O'twaya." > Or if not Nathan reading abusive Haiku's. Oh did I write one? I vaguely remember. re: Rage spesh: > Well I missed it - but yeah what I did catch earlier > in the evening - there were some good tracks - > including PJ's "Down By the Water". How thin is > that girl!?! Yes I was still up when that came on.. And although I have seen the clip many a time before.. it finally hit me watching it at that ungodly hour.. *OMG how freaking THIN is she there?!* But it is oft-rumoured that she had an eating disorder at the time. Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:52:08 +1000 From: "Lavenda" Subject: [oztori] Tiarna message for Tori and more articles on offer. > > I just had a fantastic idea - LAVS!! Tiarna talks > > yet? Tape a really soppy > > 'kiddie-gram' to Tori pleading her to come to > > Australia or she will cwy!! > > "I weawwy want Towi to tome to O'twaya." hahahaha. Oh smeg yes she talks. It seems non-stop sometimes. But the ultra funny thing is half the time she calls Tori 'Toni' (and when I correct her, she does a funny little 'I sorry' and covers mouth). But I'm trying to get her out of saying 'want' ("I want that" sounds really bad when you're in Toys R Us and she's pointing to a $700 outdoor cubbyhouse), so it'd probably be something like "I would like you to come to Australia (no idea how she would actually pronounce that) please Toni" :) Perhaps I should video her doing her 'reach out from broom and catch the golden snitch' impression, so cute. Oh and yeah, doing another clear out and have a heap of articles I'm getting rid of, but probably very little anyone here would want (most of them are like Ben Harper, Past to Present, Swoop, Christine Anu etc), but there was a Max Sharam article (from Drum Media some 5 ish years ago - don't quote me on that). So yeah, if any of that sounds interesting to you, get in touch, they're free. Andrew, the Legends series is on Tuesdays and Fridays 10:30 am with no repeats. Grumble grumble. Hopefully it will be in the future. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebs.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebs.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 00:10:44 +1000 From: "Kate Findlay" Subject: Re: [oztori] re: Avril Lavigne > They don't PAY you? I'm sure that violates some sort of law, doesn't it? ordinarily - yes - but it was one of those "you don't HAVE to stay *puppy-dog-eyes* kinda deals. Plus - we ended up having fun - we were all pretty delerious by about 11 so the rest of the night was spent laughing and not really doing much work at all. and it was free pizza and cookies. Go the cookies :) akte ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:50:09 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: [oztori] mikewhy and atforumz p2 Continued: All I wanted was the ability to ban people who were abusing others permanently and to have a forum where ugly, abusive attacks were kept to a minimum. Why is that a bad thing or an unrealistic goal? It is not. Why should I continue to associate with a forum where these attacks on others happen all the time? The forum had a hideous reputation and was only visited by 20% of The Dent's readers on a regular basis. There was no point in continuing to fight for a place where I had no real control and that so many good people had already given up on. I tried for 2 years to make it work. If that is giving up too soon, weak, or being a pussy, then so be it. I also see people calling me obsessed and a little wacko. Anyone who has spent time with me knows how senseless that is. I have a wonderful life away from the forums. I have a beautiful girlfriend and we have so much in common and do so many things together, that Tori and the web site are now only a part of my life, and not the biggest part. I have many good friends and lots of hobbies outside of Tori. Once again, people do not know what they are talking about. Read this journal and you will see for yourself what my life is like. Others say I am too positive and that I am an ass-kisser. Well yes, I do love Tori's music. I am not ashamed of that. I think she is musically brilliant and I admire her so much. I have on occasion criticized some of the things she has done, but for the most part I genuinely think she is wonderful. Some people can not tolerate that. They think that the only way you can authentically be a fan is to be nasty and cynical all the time, And you know what? I am not letting that level of negativity get to me. I do not live my life like that. I am a Tori fan and I love her music. If you are not a fan and at least like some of what she does, why the hell are you on a Tori Amos board? Talk about hypocritical! When Strange Little Girls came out I saw people on there say that they could no longer be Tori fans and that they would avoid her concerts, because they hated the fact that she did covers. And you know what many of them did who said that? They still bought the album and saw the concerts. They did not stick by their convictions. They remained fans. They bitched and moaned, but they remained fans and still listened to her. I call that much more ridiculous and hypocritical than what I do. I am positive when it comes to Tori, and it comes from a genuine love of what she does. I do not get special privileges for The Dent. I have to fight for my concert tickets like anyone else. Tori does not communicate with me, although some people in her management have on infrequent occasions. I am by nature a positive person. Some people are so miserable and negative in their life that they can not deal with that, and so they lash out at me. It is all projection and an indication of how miserable they are personally. That is how I respond to that criticism of me. Yes, I am a fan and I admit it. Some of them are too, but they have to criticize constantly because they do not have the strength to admit that they love something. They are too weak to share their emotions, and they hide them behind ugliness. It is like the stereotypical macho person who can not admit they love something. They have to bash it out of fear they will be considered weak. I have no such fear. I say what I do because I truly feel that way. I do not cater to anyone but myself. All of this clearly shows that some of the accusations and insults be hurled at me currently on the forums are baseless. I have said all this before, but people will not listen. They keep posting invalid statements to reinforce the prejudices they have. Basically, since I am so public and out there, people feel the need to attack me. There are still some beautiful and wonderful people at the forums. They are even now saying good things about me and fighting for what I believed in. It is really only a small minority of people causing the problems. I do not mean to paint everyone on the forum with the same brush. I know I used the word "people" above. Please know when I do that that I am NOT saying everyone on the forum is like that. It is a small minority, and they are the ones I am talking about above. There are still many good people at atforumz. But there are some vicious, mean-spirited people who wanted very much to humiliate me and bring the forum into line with there own warped sense of what is right. In the end, they are only hurting themselves. thedent.com is still there and will continue to operate long after that forum is a memory. They have achieved nothing but deny many wonderful Toriphiles a place where they could gather and share. There are many wonderful Toriphiles who want something better than what they experience at that forum, and they understand why I left. If anyone is reading this who defended me or what I was fighting for, I thank you. You know who you are and I appreciate the fact that you put your neck on the line and posted on my behalf. I will never forget that kindness. I also thank all of you who sent me emails of support. The kindness has been incredible and so helpful. Thank all of you. P.S. Some people say that I will be upset with anyone I know who remains at the forums. That is not the case at all. Some good friends of mine are still on the forums and posting, and I do not mind at all. I have left, but I certainly don't expect anyone else to if they still get some value out of the forums. So again, I have no hard feelings toward anyone who chooses to stay. I really want to emphasize that. I may not understand why one would want to be there, but I am not upset if they are. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 19:43:03 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: [oztori] mikewhy and atforumz p1 I've had to snip this because it won't send overwise...size limit In response to Andz. Mikewhy's comments about why he left the forums: I have reached the conclusion that some people will never really listen to what you are saying. They have preconceived notions and prejudices, and they are forever unable to break out of those confines. As you know, I dissociated the Dent (My Tori Amos web site for those not in Toriland) from the forums that were being run at atforumz.com. I have been reading some of the reactions from people there, and some of it demonstrates that people are forever clueless. They keep spouting the same illogical and incorrect information, no matter what. Allow me to react to some of this a final time. If anyone wants to link to this page, please feel free. First of all, there is this prevailing notion that I wanted the forums to be a Toritopia, a place where everyone agrees and never debates or has any criticism. The people who are saying this don't seem to understand the difference between being agreeable and being respectable. I never, not even once, expected people to all agree. I enjoyed lively debate and different viewpoints. If people did not like Tori's latest album, I fully welcomed people who criticized it and even trashed it. I never once objected to this. If someone posted that they thought Tori was ugly or stupid, I also did not object. I NEVER said I wanted everyone to be in agreement. No many how many times I say this, people still claim that is true. They do not listen. They only have one view of me that is misguided, and they can not be swayed no matter how much evidence you throw in front of them. The only thing I objected to was being abusive to others. That is the ONLY thing I had a problem with. You do not repeatedly and with brutal regularity bash other people or attack them. There is NEVER a situation where this is acceptable. You can STRONGLY disagree with people, and argue your point passionately, but to attack someone else is a sign of a weak debater, and weakness in general. An example that has been used in the past is a debate I had on the Really Deep Thoughts mailing list in early 1997 about the issue of porn. I argued against it in many ways while another poster there, Steve the Sweet Fat Man, argued its merits. We disagreed on many key points and debated very strongly. But we remained civil the entire time, we never got abusive, and in the end we both remained solid friends. I have the deepest respect for Steve and think he is a remarkable person. We never let the disagreement get personal. I even allowed myself to listen to his arguments and was even persuaded to change some of the things I long held to be true. We both came out better for it. That is what I wanted in the Tori forums. People can disagree all day and that was fine. It was the horrible attacks on people that I objected to. There is no excuse for that. People there are saying that there is no way you can avoid that on any public board. I say that is complete nonsense. I have been to many boards where people are not allowed to hurt and attack others with vicious personal attacks. That is a cop-out and an example of bullies justifying their behavior. Yes, there is no way to get everyone to agree. Even *I* think that would be boring. I love hearing different viewpoints. But there is never excuse for abusing others. So many good and wonderful people left that board because of the abuse. Their voice was silenced by a vicious minority who feel that their ugly view of the world should predominate. People say that the Dent is a corporate site that only posts what Tori's management wants, and that I wanted the forum to be that way. Once again they are wrong. I did strive to keep Mp3s of the Strange Little Girl album out of the forum last year in the weeks prior to its official release. That was out of respect for Tori, who was very unhappy with this music circulating before it was ready. In that case, I did do something on behalf of Tori. She is an artist I respect, and it was the right thing to do. If you respect someone, you do not do something that they find very wrong. You can criticize and talk about how much you like dislike what Tori does, and that is fine for a forum. But to distribute her music before it is supposed to be released to the public is wrong. Otherwise, the Dent WAS used for rumors and non- corporate information. It was NOT an official site that catered to Tori's management. I was able to put a lot of stuff up before the official sites because I am unofficial. I do not tow the record company line. I will fight for Tori's privacy to be respected and for her to have the right to release her music when SHE is ready. Otherwise, anything else is fair game for the Dent or the forum. I even love Mp3s and allowed them to be traded freely once the music was released to the public. I have also seen people call me a pussy and weak because I left and did not fight the people on the forums causing trouble. These people either ignore or are ignorant of the facts. I did fight for that board for the last 2 years. I fought hard. I created moods to help with the closing of posts. I banned the IDs of hundreds of abusive posters. But they kept coming back. There is NO control over the registration of new members on that board. Someone who is banned can return in 5 minutes with a new ID. You can ban people by IP,. but most people don't have a static IP and if I ban the IP they are on, I could block a ton of people using the same ISP. They say I had control and chose to do nothing. That statement is incredibly ignorant. I did not have any control over people who kept coming back. What am I supposed to do, sit at my computer all day and wait for people to return? I tried to ban some over and over, and they always came back. I begged the admits there to create a pay scheme for membership, but that did not happen. I asked for help on banning certain people and I was told by the people running the forums that there was nothing I could do but ignore them. How in the hell is that control? Why do people keep saying I had control when I did not? Like I said, it is like yelling at a brick wall. People do not listen. I fought and fought and fought. And now I am tired. I have a web site to run, and wonderful life away from Tori. Why should I spend hours a day fighting a futile battle against people with nothing better to do than to try to hurt me and others? So the people saying I was weak for leaving the forums don't have a clue. They would not have lasted 3 months in my position, much less over 2 years. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:21:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] mikewhy and atforumz p1 Mikewhy wrote: (lol he's now a member of this list? ;) > I did strive to keep Mp3s > of the Strange > Little Girl album out of the forum last year in the > weeks prior to its > official release. That was out of respect for Tori, > who was very > unhappy with this music circulating before it was > ready. Because people might have cottoned on that it was crap and subsequently not bought it? ;) ...boy can Mikewhy prattle on for ages about nothing. Eat your hearts out, essay-writing students of Oztori! Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 16:26:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tiarna message for Tori and more articles on offer. I'm a Lavs 4 U wrote: > > > I just had a fantastic idea - LAVS!! Tiarna > talks > > > yet? Tape a really soppy > > > 'kiddie-gram' to Tori pleading her to come to > > > Australia or she will cwy!! > > > > "I weawwy want Towi to tome to O'twaya." > > hahahaha. Oh smeg yes she talks. It seems non-stop > sometimes. But the ultra > funny thing is half the time she calls Tori 'Toni' > (and when I correct her, > she does a funny little 'I sorry' and covers mouth). LOL reminds me of a Tori quote circa the release of Boys For Pele - (and of course I'm paraphrasing here), "Some guys I was with didn't know if they wanted to be with Tori or Tony". LMAO. > Perhaps I should video her doing her 'reach out from > broom and catch the > golden snitch' impression, so cute. "Got an angry SNITCH girls you know what I mean"... Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:22:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: [oztori] Scarlet's Walk title apparently "confirmed" Worse still, "A Sorta Fairytale" title confirmed also: From the Los Angeles Times Calendar Section 7/7/02: Tori Amos, following the "Strange Little Girls" album in which she reworked male-written songs from a female perspective, has finished "Scarlet's Walk," which traces in song an eastbound trip across the U.S. post-Sept. 11. It's her first album for Epic Records, it's due Oct. 15 and will be preceded by the single "A Sorta Fairytale". Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:31:42 GMT From: Rebecca Appleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Scarlet's Walk title apparently "confirmed" On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 18:22:06 -0700 (PDT), Nathan ". wrote: >Worse still, "A Sorta Fairytale" title confirmed also: Both titles were confirmed a while ago in Neil Gaiman's online journal, iirc... ~Becc :) - -- www.crappism.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 02:41:17 +0000 From: "Jennifer Teapot" Subject: [oztori] Tour Petition Okay, I know the guys on the Oztori mailing list are going to tear me a new one for creating a petition to get Tori over here, but damnit, I want to see her in concert! So yes, I've created a petition at http://www.PetitionOnline.com/tori01/petition.html sign it if you want, don't sign if you don't want, simple as that. And since I'm directing this to international fans as well (please support us!) ignore when it says 'Eligible Signatories: Australian Tori Amos Fans'. Just sign anyway. Okay, thanks for listening. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NP: Visit: http://datura.notsweet.net Read: http://fireandwater.diaryland.com "and so it goes, go round again but now and then we wonder who the real men are" [Tori Amos - Real Men] * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:25:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Re: [oztori] Tour Petition Jennifer Teapot wrote: > Okay, I know the guys on the Oztori mailing list are > going to tear me a new > one for creating a petition to get Tori over here, > but damnit, I want to see > her in concert! So yes, I've created a petition at > http://www.PetitionOnline.com/tori01/petition.html > sign it if you want, > don't sign if you don't want, simple as that. And > since I'm directing this > to international fans as well (please support us!) > ignore when it says > 'Eligible Signatories: Australian Tori Amos Fans'. > Just sign anyway. Okay, > thanks for listening. Jen dear... You (well presuming 'twas you who created the page for the petition) have a few ghastly factual errors on that page, which I am 'kindly' pointing out to you: Tori last toured here in 199*4* - eight (well 7.5 to be precise) years ago. The tour wasn't really to support "Cornflake Girl" either - as that was out in Feb. '94, and the tour was in Dec. 94... so she would have been a 'little' late if this was the intention. Actually the current single at the time of the last tour was Pretty Good Year - released here Nov. '94. (although of course, it did nothing). Tori *did* come here in '92 (twice) though. All I'm saying is - maybe the petition might be a tad more convincing if it didn't contain these mistakes. Nathan - proofreader extraordinaire ;) . Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 01:05:37 +1000 From: Stephen Poole Subject: [oztori] Re: Tori lied to lil dan Ahem, Perhaps you weren't yet born in 1992 or 1994, but rest assured that Tori came here then (twice in 1992). She has appeared in Sydney 7 times in all. The performances at the Seymour Centre in 1992 were unbelievable -- there is a review of the 25/11/92 concert by Bruce Elder in the Sydney Morning Herald here: http://newsstore.f2.com.au/rlprod/members_rlsearcher?ac=viewDocument&docID=news921127_0006_1189&rs=1&sid=17819153&sy=smh&kw=%22Bruce+Elder%22&pb=smh&dt=enterRange&dr=1month&sd=25%2F11%2F1992&ed=30%2F11%2F1992&so=relevance&la=search&st=nw&ss=SMH&sf=author&rc=10&rm=200&sp=1&clsPage=1 This costs money to view ($1.10). You could also find it on SMH database (ie at TAFE NSW libraries or microfilm, etc). Review appeared on 27/11/92. There is a review for one of the December 1994 concerts also. Presented in the interests of historical correctness... >LOL I like how he phrases that - "No Australian tour >THIS TIME", as if she has ever come here in the past?! > >*rolls bloodshot eyes* > > >Nathan. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 23:31:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan "®" Subject: Here's $1.10 - tell someone who cares [Re: [oztori] Re: Tori lied to lil dan] Stephen Poole wrote: > The performances at the Seymour Centre in 1992 were > unbelievable -- there > is a review of the 25/11/92 concert by Bruce Elder > in the Sydney Morning > Herald here: > > http://newsstore.f2.com.au/rlprod/members_rlsearcher?ac=viewDocument&docID=news921127_0006_1189&rs=1&sid=17819153&sy=smh&kw=%22Bruce+Elder%22&pb=smh&dt=enterRange&dr=1month&sd=25%2F11%2F1992&ed=30%2F11%2F1992&so=relevance&la=search&st=nw&ss=SMH&sf=author&rc=10&rm=200&sp=1&clsPage=1 > > This costs money to view ($1.10). Oh and worth every cent I'm sure... Although I clicked on that link before reading this $1.10 bit, who on earth would PAY to read a concert review? Nathan. _______________________________________________________ Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #197 ****************************