From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #137 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Thursday, May 9 2002 Volume 02 : Number 137 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] OK I have no life left now...:( [=?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= ] Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] ["riot poofter" ] [oztori] Stop lying Dyaln.. You never had a life in the first place ;) (was Re: [oztori] OK I have no life left now...:( ) [] [oztori] This is really awful, but what else would you expect from moi... [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] ["Too Much" <2much@elvis.com>] Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] [Jonceski Jasmina ] Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] [Jonceski Jasmina ] Re: [oztori] have a (feminsit) seat while I take to the sky.. flying Feminair [Jonceski Jasmina ] [oztori] Melbourne [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] [oztori] Replies part 1 [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] [oztori] Replies part 2 [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] [oztori] Replies part 2 [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] [oztori] Replies part 3 [rchrisp@btopenworld.com] Re: [oztori] So tied up, you don't know how she came ["Pamela Collom" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:53:39 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= Subject: [oztori] OK I have no life left now...:( Yay fun. am bored at work, so thought I email u lot! LOL. I do beleive that roozi pouf (note correct spelling for foot rest in french! i'm surprised Nayth didn't pick it up earlier) said something along the lines of a purity/impurity test? Well any score any of you get, i'm sure I can better! LOL...any links to that test roozi? am curious now.... Dylan PS anyone know of any cheap one bedroom apartments in melbourne? or need a flat mate? please!!!!! ===== Cheers dylan http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - - A great way to communicate long-distance for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:48:08 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] >Well, when an apparently genderless person starts >arguing for the dismissal of popular white male >influences in favour for female non-white ones, one >does tend to assume said person is of the female >persuasion... & I guess I do tend to agree that men can >never truly be feminists. > >E. would you prefer that men who agree with feminism DON'T speak out? i agree that men cannot be feminists and that men should let women take the lead in feminist organising etc, but there is surely place for pro-feminism? surely being male (and white, although not anglo) doesn't preclude me from being in favour of feminism and postcolonialism etc? there are plenty of men who are more (pro)feminist than plenty of women.... also your reply assumes that women stand up for black women, whereas i think white women are no more in a position to speak for black women than black men are... but you didn't seem to assume that i was black... and please don't argue that white feminists are not racist (although i dare say you won't)... its all a bit more complex really methinks (sure you do too!!) Roozi boydoingggenderstudiesandfeministhistory&gladtogetsomepoliticaldebateonhere _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 01:53:38 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] On Wed, 08 May 2002, "Bindy ." wrote > > "Everything Starts with an _E_" wrote I love it ;) > >a: 24 yrs 5 mths 12 days > > Yay! Another old person (sorry lavs, it was getting a bit lonely just us > two oldies)!! I may still be slightly older, but you are a 1977 baby too! Yeah I'm "old", I've even got a fair amount of grey hair... :) > And a water sign! I'm a Cancer. You into the Astrology too huh? > I definately am. Not quite sure whether it actually works or is all just coincidence, but I have taught myself how to analyse a chart at a fairly basic level & what it all means. And I do get on very well with fellow water signs (my dad's Cancer, my sister's Pisces - --and my moon is also in a water sign (Pisces)Although I am a little scared by the mysterious power other Scorpios have over me... > Anyway, this is nothing to do with anything, so ... um ... yeah > > "It's all good" E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 01:58:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Stop lying Dyaln.. You never had a life in the first place ;) (was Re: [oztori] OK I have no life left now...:( ) Dylan "plant one right one me" Plant wrote: > Yay fun. am bored at work, so thought I email u lot! > LOL. I'm so jealous.. Wish I got to sit on the net all day at work :( > PS anyone know of any cheap one bedroom apartments > in > melbourne? or need a flat mate? please!!!!! Got a spare room here with my Dylz.... ;) Let's shack up together. j/k Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 02:05:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] This is really awful, but what else would you expect from moi... Re: the Kevin Aucoin "passing" (what a dumb euphemism.. like 'passing' a test).. From the Dent: > Kevyn Aucoin, makeup artist and friend of Tori, > passed away on Tuesday, May 7, 2002 in New York > from complications caused by a pituitary brain > tumor. He was only 40 years old. I was extremely > sad and shocked to hear this. This was confirmed by > a news items on etonline.com. Kevyn's talent was > enjoyed by many celebrities, including Tori. He did > the characters in the Strange Little Girls CD > booklet Well I'm sorry to say, that just about explains it. I mean you would *have* to have a brain tumour to think Tori looked anywhere near decent in those wretched SLG pics... It's obvious it affected the 'taste' part of his brain. You think they woulda diagnosed it early enough had the medico's seen that photography.. *meow* "Bindy ." wrote: > "Everything Starts with an _E_" wrote Love that sawng! Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 02:08:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] So tied up, you don't know how she came Daniel wrote: > hey all, > can someone who can get in contact with nina riddel > in > person get her to clear her inbox - all her emails > are > bouncing. if its not cleared by tomorrow (wednesday) > evening (say, 8pm) i'll manually remove her and > she can come back on when she can. pam, perhaps, can > you get in touch? any other brisvegans? Nina's e-mails are bouncing because she's probably 'all tied up' (literally) atm in some "bondage game gone wrong" (can anyone say 'Michael Hutchence? Where's Kim Wilson when you need her). Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 02:09:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] On Wed, 08 May 2002, "riot poofter" wrote > > > > > >History honours at UWA, fulltime, because I'm an insane > >overachiever ;) > > yay! another history major! what's your thesis on? me is part time and > stilld eciding on thesis but it will be some sort of wacky cultural history > for sure :) > My dissertation title is "The Playboy of Camelot: John F. Kennedy's Sexual History and Masculinity" (subject to change) So far I've done a draft of Chapter 1 (the intro chapter) & have an outline of perhaps my most crucial chapter, ch. 2, where I construct a framework of theory... here's a sample: "John F. Kennedys public image throughout his political career often presented him as the ideal romantic partner, charismatic and fantasy-fulfillingbe it as Washingtons most eligible bachelor during his senatorial years, or a committed family man and dream husband during his presidency. However, some decades later, his critics have demolished this image to reveal what many close to Kennedy already knew: that Kennedy was, in reality, a playboy whose continual need for sexual conquest was not restrained by his marriage or even national security. These changes in representations of Kennedys sexual history reflect the varying influence of society upon constructors of cultural texts. Applying cultural theory to biographies of Kennedy demonstrates that representations of Kennedy are subject to the same cultural values as representations of men in other media. In particular, narratives of Kennedys sexual history display the anxieties of his biographers about exposing the mystique of phallic power which maintains patriachy." In other words, I'm using lots of nice & exciting theories from Richard Dyer & Peter Lehman & others about representing the male body & the penis & applying them to biographies of JFK. I'm not quite sure if it'll work but I hope it will. :) E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 02:12:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] Too Much 'Everything starts with an E' <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > I am a little scared by the mysterious power other > Scorpios have over me... *stands over you with a wicked smile ;)* Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 02:27:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] On Wed, 08 May 2002, "riot poofter" wrote > > >Well, when an apparently genderless person starts > >arguing for the dismissal of popular white male > >influences in favour for female non-white ones, one > >does tend to assume said person is of the female > >persuasion... & I guess I do tend to agree that men can > >never truly be feminists. > > > >E. > > would you prefer that men who agree with feminism DON'T speak out? i agree > that men cannot be feminists Don't jump to conclusions :) After all, we are agreeing with each other... ("men cannot be feminists" = "men can never truly be feminists) > its all a bit more complex really methinks (sure you do too!!) > Yes, I was deliberately overgeneralising... as I typed that statement I thought "Shall I explain myself?... nah, I'll leave it & make it more exciting" ;) I guess this belief really narrows down to a small section of feminism concerned with the body (menstruation in particular) where empathy with another woman is based on sharing the same physical conditions/space. And I do think that patriarchy is so over-whelming that even when a man is openly fighting against sexism, the very thing he seeks to undermines still endows him with power. Speaking personally, though, I do know quite a few men more enlightened than a lot of women. (& it really upsets me to read anti-feminist messages in the women's loos at uni.) Researching my dissertation I'm quite reassured that far from stealing attention from feminist studies, studying masculinity reveals a lot of what patriarchy has kept hidden & that patriarchical power is equally bad for men as it is for women. E. who trusts that if other list members are finding this topic dry & academic, will let Roozi & I know so we can "take it outside" ;) "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:42:54 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] > Don't jump to conclusions :) After all, we are agreeing > with each other... ("men cannot be feminists" = "men > can never truly be feminists) I'm still a bit undecided on this. I don't see why a guy could NOT be a feminist. > E. > who trusts that if other list members are finding this > topic dry & academic, will let Roozi & I know so we can > "take it outside" ;) You know, I was just thinking about this as I read through your last post...I've just started to tune into this discussion and I am now finding it quite interesting, mainly because my opinions are clashing with the thoughts i'm reading, but i'll keep my mouth shut for now... (since I'm supposed to be writing an essay for a law subject, why anyone would choose to study law is beyond me it is so involved and strenuous an dI truly just can't be bothered with it..thank god it's the only law subject I have to do ;) ) Umm..hope that made sense...I have a feeling it is just more useless banter Jas - who juts got a job today but is so tired which is why this essay is gonna be a masterpiece of drivel that i'll probably get a decent mark for it ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 03:01:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] aka "a drag king named Venus" On Tue, 07 May 2002, "riot poofter" wrote > if you DO want to say more, i think a lot of us (well me and nayth at the > very least) would be fascinated to know more... of course if you don't want > to discuss it that is completely fine! > Well, after several coffees & a most stimulating lecture on "Cultural studies & history", my brain has shuffled out of its sedative-induced stupor sufficiently for me to embark on a short autobiographical exercise... I guess the best way to describe my (lack of) transformation is to do something like this: Me, this time 7 years ago (1995): first year of uni (bachelor of Computer & Math Sci): going by the name of Henry, wearing men's clothes all the time, passing around 50% of the time as a guy (more if I bothered to bind my chest & pack my Y's to get a "bulge"), pretty much heterosexual, i.e. only attracted to females, into cricket, beer, computers, hanging out with other guys, had quite a few short- and long-term relationships with girls, but still a technical virgin (think of cherries), hating the body I was in & every aspect of my femininity (particularly when others recognised it) but still quite hadn't the guts to seek medical help. Me now: using my legal name, wearing women's/unisex clothing (can even wear a skirt/dress & make-up, but I draw the line at heels), very bisexual, been sexually involved with gay, bi, & straight men, accepting almost fully my body with all its feminine "failings", still into cricket, beer & computers but now also wine, history & politics, sometimes butch & quite into the butch-femme dynamic, still has a huge collection of men's shirts & still gets a buzz from crossdressing (which is more fun now I'm not worried about passing). So what happened in those 7 years? In chronological order: * realised I was bi (via wet dreams about Bono) & started sleeping with other men (as they were to me at that time) * got so depressed I just wanted to get pissed & stoned (& have sex & go on IRC) all the time, so I failed 2nd year badly & got kicked out of uni for a year * went to TAFE where I became "emotionally involved" with a married man who helped me out with going to see a doctor about being transgendered * saw 2 shrinks, a psychologist, and an endocrinologist, & got a script for testosterone * had an abusive & compromising purely sexual rship which left me very confused & withdrawn, but I did manage to go back to uni & start an Arts degree * got very scared about the permanent effects of testosterone & wondered what would happen if I changed my mind, & wondered if my life would really be better if I had to try so hard at passing all the time, & maybe I was a man but I knew there was no way in my lifetime I could actually have a man's body * envisaged a lifetime of saying "there's something you should know" to potential lovers, never quite satisfying the gay men/straight women I wanted to appeal to, going through surgery, legal wrangles, etc. etc., & decided to try accepting my body for once ...& it worked So there you go. I'm not really sure what did happen. After all I do still feel like a man most of the time. It's just that my body & the way that people relate to it doesn't freak me out anymore. Sometimes I do get "relapses" where I walk into the mens' toilet without thinking, or I look at my (women's) clothes and think "Oh my god, how can I wear that???" ...but actually I quite enjoy having this body now. And I do have a large sexual appetite & it is nice to just let my body do all the talking (straight men are such easy lays). I guess it's a bit like the movie "A Beautiful Mind" (as opposed to the *book* & the real John Nash, but that's another rant for another time) where Nash just learns to live with his "invisible friends." There is still a lot more to say, of course, but you'll have to get to know me better (& I'm tired *grin*) E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 03:05:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] Jonceski Jasmina wrote: > > Don't jump to conclusions :) After all, we are > agreeing > > with each other... ("men cannot be feminists" = > "men > > can never truly be feminists) > > I'm still a bit undecided on this. I don't see why a > guy could NOT be a > feminist. Mmmm. Saying a 'guy could NOT be a feminist' is the same argument really as a 'girl could NOT be a masculinist' (? if there is such a thing). In the end, who really cares. (obligatory deliberate statement to 'rile' the masses). [Or, "in the end, only kindness matters" if you want to throw in a dumb Jewel lyric] Just because I am a person, doesn't mean I have to associate with the other 6 billion or so people on this planet... or the ones who have the-same-bits-between-their-legs-as-I-do. People really haven't moved on from 'girls that wore pink, boys that wore blue' (to bring in Tori relevance). Again I'll bring my dumb points... Campaigning for women's rights.. What about animal rights... what about the rights of the dustmites you vacuumed up last week. What about mysogynists' rights. The truth is we're all sinners and we are ALL going to hell ;) *waits for Roozi to tell me 'you know nothing so shut up'* > You know, I was just thinking about this as I read > through your last > post...I've just started to tune into this > discussion and I am now > finding it quite interesting, mainly because my > opinions are clashing > with the thoughts i'm reading, but i'll keep my > mouth shut for now... > (since I'm supposed to be writing an essay for a law > subject, why > anyone would choose to study law is beyond me it is > so involved and > strenuous an dI truly just can't be bothered with > it..thank god it's > the only law subject I have to do ;) ) Well thank God Judge Judy decided to study law.. that show had its moments back in the day. My fave line of hers was something like (to neighbour who would not give typewriter she borrowed back to this woman) "it's HER typewriter, she can do whatever she damn well *likes* with it! She can stick it 'round her neck if she wants to!" (said in mean bossy voice.. as Madonna once sang, "I don't like a big softy (no!), I like someone MEAN and BOSSY" ;) And I do... > Umm..hope that made sense...I have a feeling it is > just more useless > banter Everything is useless banter. We are the only species that communicate with language. Everything else seems to get by just fine without it. "Words are very unnecessary, they can only do harm" (OMG more Tori relevance) Nathant. (no relation to Adam Ant) . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:14:07 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] > Nathant. (no relation to Adam Ant) > > . > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com LMAO!!! That ad just goes so well there. I won't comment further for fear of being flamed, cos apparently it was ruled last time comments of what I have in mind are to be banned from the list.... ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 03:20:01 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] aka mr. self-destruct Nathan R wrote > > Too Much 'Everything starts with an E' > <2much@elvis.com> wrote: > > > I am a little scared by the mysterious power other > > Scorpios have over me... > > *stands over you with a wicked smile ;)* > Actually I had in mind a very dramatic affair I'm sort-of having (it's complicated), but you'll do ;) From Astrology.com: "When two Scorpions make a love match, it is a fierce tempest of intense passion. Both are obsessed with one another, and they move forward in love, sex and romance at an accelerated -- some would say foolish -- way. Personal relations are positively steamy but, to the equal and opposite extreme, disputes will also be frenetically powerful. This relationship could go either way: It will either be the most wonderful thing in the world or a destruction of both involved." Sounds like a fun light-hearted flirtation, doesn't it?? E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:17:30 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] >I guess this belief really narrows down to a small >section of feminism concerned with the body >(menstruation in particular) where empathy with another >woman is based on sharing the same physical >conditions/space. And I do think that patriarchy is so >over-whelming that even when a man is openly fighting >against sexism, the very thing he seeks to undermines >still endows him with power. yes, i completely agree with all this... interested that you didn't respond in relation to race though... my particular interest in gender studies is the intersection of feminsit and postcolonial theory... any thoughts? >that patriarchical >power is equally bad for men as it is for women. not sure if i would agree that it is equally bad, have heard a recent description that i like: patriarchy opprsesses women and can >E. >who trusts that if other list members are finding this >topic dry & academic, will let Roozi & I know so we can >"take it outside" ;) let them eat cake! nah, seriously i think most people delete my messages without redaing so not to worry :) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 03:28:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] have a (feminsit) seat while I take to the sky.. flying Feminair Roozi wrote: > my particular interest > in gender studies is > the intersection of feminsit lol sorry 'ooze, but 'feminsit' sounds like some special seat-type thing designed for women :) > let them eat cake! nah, seriously i think most > people delete my messages > without redaing so not to worry :) Well if it warms your heart to realise, I read pretty much all-'o-them. Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 03:30:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] aka girlpower On Wed, 08 May 2002, "riot poofter" wrote > > yes, i completely agree with all this... interested that you didn't respond > in relation to race though... my particular interest in gender studies is > the intersection of feminsit and postcolonial theory... any thoughts? > No. :) Actually I should have some considering I took a unit "history of the British Empire" by a very enlightened lecturer who went into a lot of detail about gender, sexuality, and race but... the only thing I really took to heart was the tute on masculinity and empire (my major essay for that unit was "T.E. Lawrence as Cultural Transvestite"). I have a lot to say about race & gender & postcolonialism & feminism individually, but have yet to combine them all in my head... > >that patriarchical > >power is equally bad for men as it is for women. > > not sure if i would agree that it is equally bad, have heard a recent > description that i like: patriarchy opprsesses women and can > ...can...???? You must have missed something off there... > >E. > >who trusts that if other list members are finding this > >topic dry & academic, will let Roozi & I know so we can > >"take it outside" ;) > > let them eat cake! nah, seriously i think most people delete my messages > without redaing so not to worry :) > Philistines! ;) E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:31:49 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] have a (feminsit) seat while I take to the sky.. flying Feminair > Well if it warms your heart to realise, I read pretty > much all-'o-them. and it's not because the boy's so sweet, rather because he has nothing better to do whereas my excuse is procrastination ;) here i am with not even 100 words written in this essay... Jas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 03:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] If Roozi & Emma can have pointless convo's on list, then so can Jas and I :) Jaz (I know you hate that so I spelt it that way deliberately) Joncezki wrote: > > Well if it warms your heart to realise, I read > pretty > > much all-'o-them. > > and it's not because the boy's so sweet, rather > because he has nothing > better to do Pro'bly true. But what are *you* doing here? Research? > whereas my excuse is procrastination ;) here i am > with not even 100 > words written in this essay... See you've got the whole uni thing down-pat. Enjoy it :P You have to sit there slaving away writing some pointless essay.. and don't even get paid a cracker for it! LMAO. Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:48:08 +1000 From: Jonceski Jasmina Subject: Re: [oztori] If Roozi & Emma can have pointless convo's on list, then so can Jas and I :) > Pro'bly true. But what are *you* doing here? > Research? I just can't stay away from you Nath, that is all ;) Yeah, right..:P~~~ > See you've got the whole uni thing down-pat. Enjoy it > :P But its law, and law is so boring, you need to actually do some work, whereas the rest of my subject this semester are so sleep worthy... > You have to sit there slaving away writing some > pointless essay.. and don't even get paid a cracker > for it! LMAO. why would I want to get paid for it? Jas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:04:57 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozreplies] aka girlpower > > not sure if i would agree that it is equally bad, >have heard a recent > > description that i like: patriarchy opprsesses women >and can > > > >...can...???? You must have missed something off >there... oops... i should not go back and forth form one thing to another so much LOL "injure men" was teh rest of the sentence. i liked the distinction betrween oppression and injury... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 23:09:21 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] have a (feminsit) seat while I take to the sky.. flying Feminair >> > my particular interest > > in gender studies is > > the intersection of feminsit > >lol sorry 'ooze, but 'feminsit' sounds like some >special seat-type thing designed for women :) my crap spelling has been attacked here before... you may talk to the pinky, because the fingers are busy! > > let them eat cake! nah, seriously i think most > > people delete my messages > > without redaing so not to worry :) > >Well if it warms your heart to realise, I read pretty >much all-'o-them. i did almost add a bit saying "with the obvious exception of nayth who has no life and would read any oztori email, or for that matter any random spam emails he receives"... but i didn't, until now :) _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:41:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Y Kant Nayth Sleep? Wow I'm writing this at 4:39am.. "It's 4 in the morning, the end of December.." (Tori content).. Jonceski Jasmina wrote: > > Pro'bly true. But what are *you* doing here? > > Research? > > I just can't stay away from you Nath, that is all ;) "Everybody loves Nayth! Shore do!" > But its law, and law is so boring, you need to > actually do some work, > whereas the rest of my subject this semester are so > sleep worthy... Maybe I should take them then so I can get some zzzzzzzz's. > > You have to sit there slaving away writing some > > pointless essay.. and don't even get paid a > cracker > > for it! LMAO. > > why would I want to get paid for it? Well if you enjoy doing it for free.. whatever floats your boat I guess. Roozi wrote: > my crap spelling has been attacked here before... > you may talk to the pinky, > because the fingers are busy! WAY too much info... ;) > i did almost add a bit saying "with the obvious > exception of nayth who has > no life and would read any oztori email, or for that > matter any random spam > emails he receives"... but i didn't, until now :) Wow congrats - you got through a whole paragraph without ONE typo! Nathan! "ooh stick you, your mamma too, and your daddy" . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 20:17:53 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Melbourne Nathan wrote ages ago: > But is there even anyone from Melbourne > left on this list aside from Dylan? well, correct me if im wrong, but im from melbourne, mr "im too cool to attend oztori social gatherings"! btw nathan, do you still have that great voicemail message on your work mobile? hehe rachael xxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:30:19 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Replies part 1 to start with, i am apparently 16% evil. go figure... Re: tape trades, nathan, you can count me in. thanks, love rachael xxx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:36:28 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Replies part 2 this is my new way of reading oztori emails: printing out the daily digest at work and reading it on the bus on the way home, highlighting emails to reply to... Dylan wrote: > I'm 51% Evil... Dylan, you are *definately* more evil than that. then again, it said i was only 16%, so... if you ask me, the questions were nowhere near saucy enough. Nathan said about Dylan and 'Sex and the City': > *Watching* it?? I thought you were *part* > of it! he is. believe me. ;) love rachael xxx *Currently Playing: Manchester Utd vs Arsenal (live)* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:36:32 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Replies part 2 this is my new way of reading oztori emails: printing out the daily digest at work and reading it on the bus on the way home, highlighting emails to reply to... Dylan wrote: > I'm 51% Evil... Dylan, you are *definately* more evil than that. then again, it said i was only 16%, so... if you ask me, the questions were nowhere near saucy enough. Nathan said about Dylan and 'Sex and the City': > *Watching* it?? I thought you were *part* > of it! he is. believe me. ;) love rachael xxx *Currently Playing: Manchester Utd vs Arsenal (live)* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 21:46:07 +0100 (BST) From: rchrisp@btopenworld.com Subject: [oztori] Replies part 3 back again... Nathan wrote about his and Lav's "chat": > LOL! Lavs you are *such* a 'kiss n' tell' Surely your "chat" can't beat our #oztori evening of "Truth" about 8 months ago? i'm sure Dan P has the weblog of that somewhere... oh dear. Nathan's Noodles: > Oh.. and GUESS WHAT BOYS AND GIRLS.. I'VE > JUST EATEN > **********NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODLES************ > AGAIN!!!! *does a happy dance* what;s this all about noodles? Optus deleted a whole lot of my emails over the long weekend because i wasnt able to download them, so ive missed lots... :( inform me, please! im not looking forward to being in a house full of United fans tonight... :/ love rachael xxx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 07:48:06 +1000 From: "Pamela Collom" Subject: Re: [oztori] So tied up, you don't know how she came > > hey all, > > can someone who can get in contact with nina riddel > > in > > person get her to clear her inbox - all her emails > > are > > bouncing. if its not cleared by tomorrow (wednesday) > > evening (say, 8pm) i'll manually remove her and > > she can come back on when she can. pam, perhaps, can > > you get in touch? any other brisvegans? Yup. No problem. She's been in Sydney, and got back yesterday. Pam ( oh my god! She lives!) _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 23:54:21 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] So tied up, you don't know how she came > Yup. No problem. She's been in Sydney, and got back > yesterday. great, thanks pam - i didn't change her settings, she's still a member so no worries there xoxo dan ===== I have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:55:52 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Dylan=20Plant?= Subject: [oztori] That bottome website Hi guys, Does anyone have the link to that medical website detailing what ppl put in their bottoms? I'm trying to find it to show a friend of mine!!!! need da link... email me at this address...or in Nayth's case, come and stalk me at this addres...:) Dylan ===== Cheers dylan http://messenger.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Messenger - - A great way to communicate long-distance for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:50:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Too Much" <2much@elvis.com> Subject: [oztori] IRC hey everyone, I really shouldn't be venturing back onto irc (I find it mysteriously addictive & can get stuck in a # for hours) but I did wonder if people felt like organising a sort of general time to be on #oztori... something like 5-7PM EST? just some thoughts E. "Don't criticize what you don't understand, son. You never walked in that man's shoes." --E.A. Presley - ------------------------------------------------- Get your free @Elvis e-mail account at Elvis.com! http://www.elvis.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #137 ****************************