From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #132 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Saturday, May 4 2002 Volume 02 : Number 132 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] I feel Numb [Emma Shawcross ] Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= ] Re: [oztori] Never was a Rooziflake boy/Never was a top 10 hit ["riot poo] Re: [oztori] I feel Numb ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? ["riot poofter" ] [oztori] It Might Hurt a Bit [AndrewR ] [oztori] Glory of the catalogue numbers which might hurt a (little) bit [] Re: [oztori] OT - fun girl names ["Neri" ] Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? [=?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: [oztori] I feel Numb Nathan! said: >> maybe >> no 7? i guess nayth is >> more likley to know but i *was* right about U2's >> "numb" being a single... > >I never said it wasn't a single - it *was* a single.. >a VIDEO one ONLY :) (a 1-track promo CD single does >not count). If I may appoint myself resident U2 expert here (well I do have a massive U2 collection bordering on anal retention--not quite reached the stage where I must own every release of every single in every country, but almost) I must say I have been lurking for quite some time thinking "Yeah, Nathan's right about that Numb single" and now feel inspired to come out wholeheartedly in support of him. All Numb releases in CD format were promotional only (and are, by the way, extremely valuable.) All Numb releases on vinyl were for jukebox/DJ use only. The only release of Numb commercially available to the general public was on video, featuring the video screened on TV, a "remix" video, and a video for the song "Love is Blindness." If anyone wishes to argue with me, they are a fool as I am a sad obsessive who knows every pore on Bono's face by name. ;) Here endeth the lesson, E. P.S. It's funny, Nathan used to get my on nerves, but I'm rather fond of him now. In fact he's probably the only real reason I still read the list! (Who the hell is Tori???) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 08:49:26 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? > Any wonder. She hasn't exactly been wearing many > clothes in her last few vids.. *chortle* har har... you can see pics of her bulge (and the rest of her) at www.bjork.com on the gigography page on her most recent dates. i guess being preggers will put paid to any "summer tour" here in australia. WHY DO ALL THESE SINGERS HAVE TO HAVE KIDS!?!?!?!?! *tears hair out* > > Bjork's next album: > > "Not Strange For A Change" features faithful > > interpretations of old jazz and rock standards. > > Is this for real? It was a pitiful attempt to send up Tori's post-baby attempt at an album. xoxo Dan PS - whoever asked about bjork's other child, Sindri was born ages ago, while she was with the sugarcubes, if not before...he'd be around...what...15, 16? ===== I have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:37:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] I feel Numb Emma Shawcross wrote: > If I may appoint myself resident U2 expert here > (well I do have a massive > U2 collection bordering on anal retention--not quite > reached the stage > where I must own every release of every single in > every country, but > almost) I must say I have been lurking for quite > some time thinking "Yeah, > Nathan's right about that Numb single" and now feel > inspired to come out > wholeheartedly in support of him. YAY! *gives you a gold-star!* > P.S. It's funny, Nathan used to get my on nerves, > but I'm rather fond of > him now. What have I done wrong?! ;) Ah, that's understandable, dear. > In fact he's probably the only real reason > I still read the list! I really *do* have a purpose in life after all! > (Who the hell is Tori???) Mmmmmmmmmmm good point. Then Daniel wrote of Bjork Gudmundsdottir (sp? minus the umlat things since this list won't handle 'em - see "ceth"): > you can see pics of her bulge BULDGE?? *splutters* I see a "Bjork reveals, 'I am a man!'" post coming up? ;) Oh hang on it just clicked.. you meant her tum-tum. > i guess being preggers will put paid to any "summer > tour" here in australia. WHY DO ALL THESE SINGERS > HAVE > TO HAVE KIDS!?!?!?!?! *tears hair out* Yeah good point. > > > Bjork's next album: > > > "Not Strange For A Change" features faithful > > > interpretations of old jazz and rock standards. > > > > Is this for real? > > It was a pitiful attempt to send up Tori's post-baby > attempt at an album. Well you really had me fool'd for a moment there... Though I really doubted the "Not Strange For a Change" title. Nathan! . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:09:21 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Never was a Rooziflake boy/Never was a top 10 hit > > i distinctly remember it making the top ten. > >In the UK - #4. have already conceded this point as being likely... maybe was a dodgy video hits chart that is aw it at number 7 on. >>I never said it wasn't a single - it *was* a single.. >a VIDEO one ONLY :) (a 1-track promo CD single does >not count). and i said *single* not video single. i think you will find that australia was the exception to the rule about "numb" (which was not a *cd* single in the US or UK). The linkbelow offers a chart position for "numb" iin asutralia, and one which matches my meory of it making tha aria chart. sure its only oen website, but there is no way to access old aria charts without paying and i'm pretty sure this song was during the period nayth didn't keepa record of. plus the positions this site gives for other u2 releases in australia are all correct. and it says "Australian chart information is courtesy of ARIA who have produced the Australian charts since 1989. (If anyone has access to records of the Australian Music Report, please contact me.)" http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~flare/charts.html so nayth, until you come up with better proof that it*wasn't* a single, i will consider myself to have won this one. and if you do find anything, rest assured i will contact aria or the record company to get clarification :P oh and web sites which say it was never released as a cd single anywhere don't count. >LMAO. Well I am *infinity* % sure there wasn't. guess that makes me "infinity plus one"! >Digging up my old area charts, area or aria? the only way i will concede that you are correct is if aria charts count video singles but i don't think they do or ever have... so i guess i'm not infintiy plus one, bah! > > although it may have > > been video only in the states (it not being a > > singles market etc) > >But it *was* a singles market back in those days >Roozi. no, not in mid 90s. the usa has never bene much of a single smarket compared to eurpoe and the push to slowly eradicate singles has been going for at leats 10 years now... _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:31:54 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] I feel Numb I must say I have been lurking for quite some time thinking "Yeah, >Nathan's right about that Numb single" and now feel inspired to come out >wholeheartedly in support of him. > >All Numb releases in CD format were promotional only (and are, by the >way, extremely valuable.) All Numb releases on vinyl were for jukebox/DJ >use only. The only release of Numb commercially available to the general >public was on video, featuring the video screened on TV, a "remix" video, >and a video for the song "Love is Blindness." ok well how did "numb" make the aria chart then? because thats the bit tahts puzzled me... i didn';t think video singles counted and also even if they do/did i wouldn't have thought enough people would have bought a video single for it to chart and make the top ten. *confused and unsure why i give a shit* Roozi ps. (just to bait you) u2 are soooooo overerated :) _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 19:38:42 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] juarez >As for your rediscovering Juarez.. I always liked the >way she 'sings'/speaks "I don't think you even know >what you think you just said". > >I had Juarez on in the car when I was driving a work >'colleague' somewhere late last year, and she said >something like, "Wow this sounds really sexy!" juarez is a great song. i bought a book form work today about the whole juarez killings thing... its a bit of a trashy "true crime" type account but i wanted to know more... and as for this: >Well everything of Tori's looks like a gem compared >with Still Orbiting and Strange Little Girls. get some new material nayth, you can only get by on bagging SLG for so long (its not THAT bad :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 20:01:32 +1000 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? >PS - whoever asked about bjork's other child, Sindri >was born ages ago, while she was with the sugarcubes, >if not before...he'd be around...what...15, 16? yep i thought that was very funny! according to an old bjork bio i have, sindri was born 8/6/1986 (making him only slightly younger than lil dan) to bjork and her first husband thor (not sure of his surname), who was also in the sugarcubes... DEFINTELY not the same father! _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 21:05:28 +1000 From: "Lavenda" Subject: Re: [oztori] Never was a Rooziflake boy/Never was a top 10 hit OK, now I'm going to buy into the Numb debate. I have to agree with Roozi that Numb charted (Rage was Aria wasn't it?). And I _bought_ the video for my U2 freak friend. While I can't remember whether that was for moments in the video, or because that was the song around when it was her b'day. But if it was the latter, I would have bought the single instead I would say, if (only) I could. IF a chart is finally located, they usually include the catalogue number don't they? That would clear up any confusion. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebz.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebz.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:34:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] [ozmassdebatere:wasU2snumbavideoonlysingleornot] The stupid "Numb" debate: World - 0, Nayth - 8342971809273401928374012 ;) Roozi wrote of the pointless ongoing "Was U2's 'Numb' a CD single or not?" debate: > and i said *single* not video single. i think you > will find that australia > was the exception to the rule about "numb" (which > was not a *cd* single in > the US or UK). *smiles wryly* (gotta love a word with no vowels - a good one to use for any Hangman fiends amongst us) > The linkbelow offers a chart position > for "numb" iin > asutralia, and one which matches my meory of it > making tha aria chart. Yes it did make the ARIA chart - at #7, as they included the sales of the video single. > sure > its only oen website, but there is no way to access > old aria charts without > paying Yes there is - see the 4th drawer in my cabinet ;) > and i'm pretty sure this song was during the > period nayth didn't > keepa record of. I've got chart records consecutive from '89. > plus the positions this site gives for other u2 > releases in australia are > all correct. and it says "Australian chart > information is courtesy of ARIA > who have produced the Australian charts since 1989. That is a strange claim - since I've got actual printed ARIA charts with the ARIA lable on them from as early as 1983. > so nayth, until you come up with better proof that > it*wasn't* a single, The proof I have is my memory. > i > will consider myself to have won this one. and if > you do find anything, rest > assured i will contact aria or the record company to > get clarification :P *giggles* If you must... > oh and web sites which say it was never released as > a cd single anywhere > don't count. Exactly. None of them are as reliable as my memory & penchant for absorbing pointless muzakal facts :) > >Digging up my old area charts, > > area or aria? I meant ARIA. I was tired when I wrote that. > the only way i will concede that you are correct is > if aria charts count > video singles but i don't think they do or ever > have... Well they did because Numb was a video only single, as was Midnight Oil's "Outbreak of Love" from 1993, which made #56 or thereabouts (from memory). > >But it *was* a singles market back in those days > >Roozi. > > no, not in mid 90s. But 1993 is not strictly 'mid 90's. And it was waaaay more of a single market than than it is now. Their charts have, however, been largely radio-based for a long time (which completely defies logic IMNSHO). > ok well how did "numb" make the aria chart then? > because thats the bit tahts > puzzled me... i didn';t think video singles counted It does seem a tad strange that video singles counted - - but I guess if they are the primary release then it sort of makes sense (ie, if no CD/cassingle) > and also even if they > do/did i wouldn't have thought enough people would > have bought a video > single for it to chart and make the top ten. Well this is U2 we're talking about. "The Fly" debuted at #1 back in the days when singles were not nearly as hyped in the first week as they are now. It debuted at #1 on the strength of their rabid fanbase rushing out to snap them up. Similarly with "Numb" - although it only made #7 probably since it was a video-only single, and the album was already out. Lavs frothed: > I have to agree with Roozi that Numb charted (Rage > was Aria wasn't it?). Yes it did chart.. as a VIDEO single.. *rolls bloodshot eyes... 'here we go again'* > And I _bought_ the video for my U2 freak friend. > While I can't remember > whether that was for moments in the video, or > because that was the song > around when it was her b'day. But if it was the > latter, I would have bought > the single instead I would say, if (only) I could. > > IF a chart is finally located, they usually include > the catalogue number > don't they? That would clear up any confusion. Why not READ one of my e-mails from yesterday where I quoted the catalogue no as ending in a '3' - the code for videos. OK... *FRICKEN HELL!* I normally don't consider myself to be an arrogant person, but guys... I ******KNOW********** I am right on this goddamn "Numb" thing! I would bet my *LIFE* on it. Nothing irks/amuses me more than when I *KNOW* I am right on something and people are trying to convince me otherwise. *grumblez* And I am *not* for the record, someone who always thinks they're right - but on this one I *know* I am, so :P Nathan! . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:54:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: OT: While I'm at it... (Re: [oztori] Never was a Rooziflake boy/Never was a top 10 hit) riot poofter wrote: > > > i distinctly remember it making the top ten. > > > >In the UK - #4. > > have already conceded this point as being likely... > maybe was a dodgy video > hits chart that is aw it at number 7 on. Not likely. At the time, Video Hits were using the chart produced by the Australian Music Report (AMR), on which Cornflake Girl made #17. Maybe your memory doesn't serve you as well as you would like to think is does :) Tori content: "Elephant mind Missy you don't have" Nathan! . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 22:50:10 +1000 From: "Lavenda" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozmassdebatere:wasU2snumbavideoonlysingleornot] The stupid "Numb" debate: World - 0, Nayth - 8342971809273401928374012 ;) > Lavs frothed: > > > I have to agree with Roozi that Numb charted (Rage > > was Aria wasn't it?). > > Yes it did chart.. as a VIDEO single.. *rolls > bloodshot eyes... 'here we go again'* ~Rolls eyes back~ Stop putting words in my mouth. I didn't specify that I thought it charted as a *single*. It charted so either it was a single (which I doubt, hence why I got the video and not the single for my friend), or they counted the sales of the video. > Why not READ one of my e-mails from yesterday where I > quoted the catalogue no as ending in a '3' - the code > for videos. ~rolls eyes again~ Was that the cat number given in the charts? If so that is not what I understood from your email yesterday. Are the charts you have from that time the ones you wrote down from Rage, or the ones you could pick up in stores (which I think had the cat numbers)? > I normally don't consider myself to be an arrogant > person, but guys... I ******KNOW********** I am right > on this goddamn "Numb" thing! I would bet my *LIFE* > on it. Nothing irks/amuses me more than when I *KNOW* > I am right on something and people are trying to > convince me otherwise. *grumblez* And I am *not* for > the record, someone who always thinks they're right - > but on this one I *know* I am, so :P Settle Gretle. I didn't dispute anything you said, I was just giving my anecdotal side of it and perhaps wasn't very clear about things if you so grossly misunderstood me. X Lavs (Lavenda 1, primary adjunct of dominatrix Glenn) ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ Who could ever say you're not simply wonderful - 'Merman', Tori Amos ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ ~^^~ http://www.freewebz.com/tiarna/start.html - Tiarna's Homepage http://www.freewebz.com/drifts/start.html - Drifts Get Deeper ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 23:21:47 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? At 16:17 3/05/2002 +0930, li-sycophant wrote: >> Yep. Bjork is five months pregnant with her second child. >> She is expecting a baby with American artist Matthew Barney in September. >> >> ~Bindy > >When did she fit the first one in!? How come no one told me?? Same father? > What's his name - he's like 10 now... Sindri or something. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 00:52:37 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] It Might Hurt a Bit OK, I stumbled on this page from the dent about the unheard Michael Stipe/Tori Amos duet "It Might Hurt a Bit"... it had me smiling from ear to ear! enjoy! http://www.thedent.com/hurtabit.html Andrew "I'll clone myself like that blonde chick who sings Bette Davis Eyes" (hmmm Gwynneth is her CLONE! LOL!) FUCK! I'm TOTALLY in love with "Glory of the Eighties" atm! Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 16:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Glory of the catalogue numbers which might hurt a (little) bit Lavenda wrote: > ~rolls eyes again~ Was that the cat number given in > the charts? If so that > is not what I understood from your email yesterday. > Are the charts you have > from that time the ones you wrote down from Rage, or > the ones you could pick > up in stores (which I think had the cat numbers)? Yes 'twas the cat. no. taken from the ARIA charts 'you could pick up in stores'. > Settle Gretle. I didn't dispute anything you said, I > was just giving my > anecdotal side of it and perhaps wasn't very clear > about things if you so > grossly misunderstood me. That was more directed at Roozi than you actually dear :) > OK, I stumbled on this page from the dent about the > unheard Michael > Stipe/Tori Amos duet "It Might Hurt a Bit"... it had > me smiling from ear to > ear! I remember that song was always referred to as "It Might Hurt a LITTLE Bit" up until the Collectibles book had it listed as "It Might Hurt A Bit". I wonder which is/was the correct title. Don't suppose anyone here would know... and no, "I know I am 100% correct" mislead anecdotal claims do not constitute factual evidence ;) > "I'll clone myself like that blonde chick who sings > Bette Davis Eyes" > > (hmmm Gwynneth is her CLONE! LOL!) I never thought of that. But wow what a spookay coincidence. I remember when I first saw the album cover for Great Expectations on the net, and thought "is that Tori with dyed-blonde hair??" (well back when she didn't look as old as she does now :P)... And then a few years later, Gwynneth (sp?) goes and covers Bette Davis Eyes (badly). > FUCK! I'm TOTALLY in love with "Glory of the > Eighties" atm! That song is strange - I thought 'fuck this is sooooooooo average/sounds like a Go West (they of "King of Wishful Thinking", not the Village People/Pet Shop Boys tune) b-side' when I first heard it (plus I couldn't decipher ANY of the lyrics till reading the lyric sheet)... but I don't mind the 'boom' when the harpsichord comes in at the start. But it still has a dumb name for a song. Nathan. . Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:02:30 +1000 From: "Neri" Subject: Re: [oztori] OT - fun girl names Lavs said: (like two weeks ago..I know.....I am just a tad behind!) > Nerida (Australian Aboriginal) blossom [riot poof], red waterlily YAY! Someone actually has my name in a book? I can never find it anywhere......and actually with the proper meaning as well! The only place I have found it was on ONE website (out of a million I went to) and it says that the meaning is 'Sea Nymph'...weird...I'd much prefer this meaning (especially since that's why my parent's called me Nerida!). ANYWAYS, who else was shocked by the end of the last episode of Buffy? OMG!! (Yeah I know, it has probably already been said....but I am still reading 100 fucking emails from you freaks)..after just deleting 200 and something =P This is what work does to you.... Neri =8O) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 05:18:24 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] possibly maybe? > bjork and her first husband thor (not sure of his > surname), who was also in > the sugarcubes... I don't know what your exact source was, but I'm pretty sure Thor wasn't part of the Sugarcubes... ===== I have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 05:22:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozmassdebatere:wasU2snumbavideoonlysingleornot] The stupid "Numb" debate: World - 0, Nayth - 8342971809273401928374012 ;) > I normally don't consider myself to be an arrogant > person, but guys... I ******KNOW********** I am > right > on this goddamn "Numb" thing! I would bet my > *LIFE* > on it. Nothing irks/amuses me more than when I > *KNOW* > I am right on something and people are trying to > convince me otherwise I'm with Nayth...I know he's right, I did my research and I know I'm right, and Emma agreed with both of us and (having seen her websites) would consider her the U2 expert on this list and her word should be gospel ;) The only way to prove all of us wrong would be to actually FIND a non-promo single release and mail us each a copy. Dare, double dare or physical challenge? xoxo Dan ===== I have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #132 ****************************