From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V2 #58 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, February 24 2002 Volume 02 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] failure notice ["li-siren" ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] OT - Lamb [Nathan R ] [oztori] Lamb (Leg of) [AndrewR ] [oztori] Members of the oztori list version 2.0 [AndrewR Subject: [oztori] failure notice dan (clarity needed here: Dan H).... why isn't your email address working? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 01:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] OT - Lamb Daniel Hirning wrote: > and i bet that secretly you are jealous that > you don't have your > tongue pierced, that you DO read oztori, and that > you aren't spending > your days consuming (expensive) drinking yoghurt Did somebody mention ****DRINKING YOGHURT******???!! *eyes light up* Damn I haven't had that stuff for ages but 'tis tres yum. > and talking with a > bad lisp :) Am i right? or course i am :) Ooh bet it sounds thekthy. Roozi wrote: > >Am I the only one here who couldn't care less that > >Lamb were touring? > > hopefully, oh ye of little taste. (well except tori, > kate and s'mafa). Don't get me wrong (hats off to Ms. Hynde once more), I do like what little Lamb I've heard.. just not quite losing my continence over their tour. > >So r u doing honours in history this year? What > will > >be your thesis topic? *some of us are dying to > know* > > er... i think so... and the topic at this stage is > migrant experiences and > depictions of intersectional oppression in > australian cinema... still > deciding on the exact topic Oh gawd my brain has a fart just trying to make sense of that thesis topic. > no, what i would hate is the bit where they shove > the needle thru yr tongue. > having seen it done (to dan), i am much less keen to > get one myself... it > actually looked more painful than i expected :(' "there's a certain satisfaction in a little bit of pain" to quote one Ms. Ciccone. Nathan. . Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 22:27:51 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Lamb (Leg of) Rala said: >The emore is on enmore road in newtown This is Sydney isn't it!?! No wonder I've never been there ;o) Where are they playing in Brisbane? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 00:23:13 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Members of the oztori list version 2.0 so I'm compiling a list of all the members that have posted to the board in the last... 3.5 years - and those which are still in my inbox. The earliest "oztori" tagged e-mail is (not counting people's wonky computer clocks) 12/7/1998. I know that is not the earliest stuff, cause I deleted a whole lot back then. Anyone have any e-mails from before then? What was the date the list started... DanG? We've had three list providers oztori@onelist.com oztori@yahoogroups.com oztori@smoe.org P.S. DanG when is the website gonna be finished!?! (:oO Sarah Oo:( aka (Sarah) aka (~Sarah~) Adam A aka (aantonio@mail.usyd.edu.au) aka (Adam Antonio) Aaron Maerz Alana xx Alasdair (not Jim as per his account) aka (Jim Duncan) Alice Migdale Andres Moore Andrew Broome Andrew Rayfield (AndrewR) Angela Alice aka (Angela) aka (Angela H O'Leary) Angela Ho Angela Loudermilk Angela Robson Annika ! araquel aka (Ben) aka (Ben Hughes) arian as is aka (chasing windmills) aka (dark geography) aka (inis witrin) aka (maude tempest oranfrizer) ashre audrie tiong Audrina Parker (seemed to be from Florida) b.law@student.qut.edu.au aka (Benjamin) aka (Benjamin Law) aka (householdinsanity INC) Baby Doll bec . aka (rebecca pouwer) Becc aka (Rebecca) Belgavin aka (Gav Ross) aka (Gavin Ross) Bevan Burkin aka (Bevan) aka (feral) black-winged roses blackwes Brady Von Coon brandos@unforgettable.com Brett Watson Brian Cooper brittle pixie aka (Ms Brittle Pixie) C Quinn aka (raspberrysugar) aka (Celeste Quinn) aka (raspberrysugar@chickmail.com) Calodin Temple Carrie Rachel Catherine Brown (from NZ) aka (Could be a virus) Cattery aka (Annette) chasing windmills aka (dark geography) cherry bliss CHRIS FINLEY cornflakeboy@mbox.com.au aka (John Lacey) ceth . dAisY DeAd PEtaLs Dale aka (Dale Baldock) aka (riot@senet.com.au) DalturaFreedom@aol.com Damien aka (Damien / Emma) Damien ..Damien Dan ((djp@iprimus.com)) Dan ((enigma01@bigpond.com)) Dan Meijer Dan Palm aka (Merman/Merms in #oztori) Dani Dan aka (DanG) aka (Dan Gee) aka (Daniel) aka (Daniel G) aka (Daniel Gee) aka (Scary Dan) aka (thebananaking@yahoo.com) Dan C aka (Tarqu *) aka (Daniel Close) Dan Stapleton (aka Daniel Stepleton) dan@danhirning.com aka (Daniel Hirning) Daniel Mitterdorfer Daniel Nolan aka (webmaster@danere.com) Danielle Mills Danielle Ringrose Darwin Clan aka (AndrewD) aka (Fiona Darwin) Dastyari david howard David McGahan akak (n/a) David McMeekin David-Anthony Phoebe demby3 DirtyFishyDish Double Serpent Dylan Plant Eamon " Ed " aka (Ed " Eamon ") aka (Ed X) earl (from NZ) Elissa Chrystal Eliza Kowalczyk ellen smith Ellie Catz Emily Poore Emily Downie Emma Shawcross ennui aka (en) epiphany@inspire.net.nz (from NZ) aka (T) aka Erica Lovell aka (faerie_nymphs@hotmail.com) Erin.. ...... aka (Erin.. ..um..) Father Lucifer aka (Brett Watson) Forsaken GayPixie21@aol.com (From US) Geoffrey Lamble aka (lam51@gwsc.vic.edu.au) ginbelle@optushome.com.au Gnome (aka Jas) aka (Jasmina) aka (Jasmina J) aka (JJ) aka (Jonceski Jasmina) Harold Freling Heidi Maier aka (kicks joy darkness) Helen Theodoridis aka (Spacedog Hel) aka (e=submit name=DSpacedog=20Hel?=) Henry Palith Hilary aka (hilary dutton) Hill, Renee (aka Renee Hill) Holly Williamson iNature - Miranda Poynton aka (Miranda Poynton) James aka (kasey25) aka (James Scurry) James Paterson Jason Cabarrus Jason Dyas jdgha Jean Mostyn aka (Jean Mostyn, Media Monitors) Jennifer Teapot aka (Venus Datura) Jenny Hansen Jeremy Cannon Jess Bolter Jessica Bennett JestaCat aka (jestacat@dingoblue.net.au) aka (Paul M) Joanne Tesoriero aka (Jo) Jodie Van Krieken John aka (John Vuceric) aka (Zemonsta) Josh Darvill julian snelius Julia Prior Julie Cesario aka (Julie_Cesario@SoftHome.net) Justa Boi Justin Gittins Justin ((radnoski@one.net.au)) Kate Findlay aka (Akte) aka (katefindlay@goanna.net.au) Kate Stowell Katie ((arbee@netlink.com.au)) KCP00H111@aol.com Ken Self Kelly Ford Kirk Golding Koning, Robert Kyla (from NZ) aka (Kyla Dyresen) aka (kyla@hippy.net.nz) aka (kyla@ihug.co.nz) aka (kyla@kyla.left.the-pla.net) aka (Just Peachi) aka (The girl we helped replace her Tori CDs) Kylie Johnson Kylie Smith aka (gertie _) Lavenda aka (Lavenda 1) aka (Lavs) aka (Glenn Jones) Laura Fischer Laura Nehme li aka (li-siren) Lisa Pownall listen@confessionsofastar.com (appeared to be SPAM) little miss sarcasm aka (perpetually yet aesthetically mismatched) Liv Lizette Bell Luke Anderson M.J Burrows Marianne Fryingpan Marina fairy floss aka (Marina Gesson) aka (Sonia Morales) Marissa Skovron mark Mark Endacott markbell Matt Grigg aka (Matthew Grigg) Maureen Reedy aka (Maureen Reedy - ACM) Megan Czisz mermaid aka (~mermaid~) aka (*mermaid*) aka (emma) meletts@mail.surf.net.au aka (Letts) aka (Melissa Letts) Michelle Griffin aka (She who is called Michelle) Michelle Lee aka (MichelleAnnLee@Bigpond.com) Mike Champ mim aka (mfeuerli@acs.itd.uts.edu.au) miss alexandra aka (miss alex) aka (etienne) Moon&Sun Moose Mysterilady2001@cs.com (From the US) nadyne@pop.mindspring.com aka (nadyne@mindspring.com) aka (nadyne@rmta.org) aka (Nadyne Mielke) Nathan Cyran aka (Brood Fan6:32) Nathan mitchell aka (nsmitche) Nathan R aka (He Who Is Called Nathan) aka (Nayth) Natty nerida aka (Nerida Hooykaas) Nilay . aka (Nilay K.) aka (Nilay Koyunoglu) nina riddel nosh Obake ozbot Pamela Collom Paula Southen Peter Ton petersen aka (Sacha) Planet Tori aka (planettori@geocities.com) Rachael Chrisp aka (rchrisp@btopenworld.com) Rachael... Raisin Boy Rala rales Rebecca Belyea Reen L Renie Clemens aka (Renee) aka (#Renee#) aka (Blanket Girl) Remo Luca (From the US?) riot poofter aka (Roozi) Rodney P.R. Hughes Roy Sam G aka (Sam) aka (Tori Fan) sarah ((bosendorfer@mailcity.com)) sarah banks Scot H sez . ShadowyLie@aol.com sid Simon James Metcalf aka (Simon Metcalf) Spencer John Stephen Moore aka (mooremob) aka (Stephen) Stephen Poole aka (daysed and/or confusticated) aka (dazed & confused) aka (scared & depressed) Stepho :o) aka (StephoBoBepho@aol.com) Steve Horan Suzan Baran Sweet Beanbag Terence Sean Monro The Brandos Official Fanclub aka (brandos@unforgettable.com) Thirhse Segedin (from NZ) thelma hawley aka (Shona) (thelma is/was apparently her mother) Tim (from NZ) tim.obrien.@clear.net.nz (from NZ) Timothy Rose Todd Gillam tommy hilsiker torifaces@zwallet.com toriobsessed@hushmail.com (the person who posted that infamous poll) torture garden Trent Titmarsh Trey Kennedy visual profundity Vince Gee Virginia Greaves visual profundity Webb Zac Ariel aka (zac) aka (zac@bit.net.au) aka (Z.Ariel@uq.net.au) aka (Tweedle Dum) z y ((thelma_t_h@hotmail.com)) could have been "Shona" above!?! ~ sweetbean ~ Andrew ~228 people from July '98 to Feb '02 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 16:21:44 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] Members of the oztori list version 2.0 TheTroubleWithAndrewR wrote: > The earliest "oztori" tagged e-mail is (not counting > people's wonky > computer clocks) 12/7/1998. I know that is not the > earliest stuff, cause I > deleted a whole lot back then. Anyone have any > e-mails from before then? > What was the date the list started... DanG? Andrew Andrew ANDREW... I'm pretty sure I've told you before (pay attention childe!) that old oztori (pre smoe) archives are at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/oztori/ First posts were in April '98 (spare 5 stray ones from Feb 98, Jan 97, and Dec 92 apparently). > Dan aka (DanG) aka (Dan Gee) aka (Daniel) aka > (Daniel G) aka (Daniel Gee) > aka (Scary Dan) aka (thebananaking@yahoo.com) Damn he's had more aliases than me! > Darwin Clan aka (AndrewD) aka (Fiona Darwin) aka Fiona is funnay. > Justa Boi This was also John Lacey who you've listed under cornflakeboy@something > Raisin Boy This was also John Lacey > Vince Gee Any relation to King Gee? > ~228 people from July '98 to Feb '02 The big question is, "where are they now"? Nathan. . Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 12:13:51 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] Members of the oztori list version 2.0 > > Vince Gee > >Any relation to King Gee? thats when i used dad's email one day. you can stick it under my aliases if you want. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ http://www.livejournal.com/users/scarydan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:12:56 +1100 From: "Renee Hill" Subject: [oztori] rolling stone review of alanis 'under rug swept' - they can bite my arse. Most of the review isn't actually that bad.... but I think the guy knows nothing about alanis. Yes, she indulges in psychobabble, but look deeper, you freakin' blinded fool! *sigh* Looking for an icebreaker when you meet that possibly special someone? Here's one from Alanis Morissette: "Do you have a big intellectual capacity but know that it alone does not equate wisdom?" That's one of the "21 Things I Want in a Lover," the power-chorded personal ad that opens Under Rug Swept, Morissette's latest grapple with the ups and downs of love. And it's not the only song on the album to suggest that her dream date would be Deepak Chopra. The avenging banshee who sang "You Oughta Know" in 1995, complete with its boast about going down on her ex in a theater, has mellowed on Under Rug Swept, though she's still busting taboos. The album title comes from lyrics in its lead single, "Hands Clean," an apparently matter-of-fact reminiscence of underage sex with a music-business mentor, an affair "under rug swept." As if to insist it's autobiographical, the song's video clip shows Morissette being groomed for her early stardom in Canada as a big-haired teeny-pop doll. Verses taking the man's role urge her to "overlook this supposed crime"; in the chorus, she announces, "I have honored your request for silence." Until now, that is. (How long is that statute of limitations, anyway?) With Under Rug Swept, Morissette is mentor-free. After the two multiplatinum studio albums she made with Glen Ballard as producer and songwriting collaborator, Morissette wrote and produced the new album on her own. Sonically, she has learned all she needs. The music is brawny and meticulous, a further refinement of the tracks she created with Ballard on Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie. She concocts folk rock driven by hip-hop beats, ballads that build without getting gooey and hard rock aswirl with psychedelia. The keyboards and acoustic guitars sparkle; electric guitars jab hard-rock chords and seethe with distortion. Most of all, Morissette understands her voice as both emollient and irritant. She makes it quiver delicately with nervousness and seesaw between vulnerability and resolve. She uses her nasal edge to slice up a self-absorbed guy in "Narcissus," then comes up with the perfect whine, multiplied in an overdubbed chorus, as she wonders, "Why, why, do I try to change you?" While she applies her musical skills to songs about love, they don't exactly add up to love songs. After "21 Things," the album examines romantic calamities: the little rejections that cause her to feel "So Unsexy," the ex-boyfriend who can still make her "Flinch." Then come successes: the reluctant guy who overcomes his misgivings in "Surrendering," a promise of unconditional love in "You Owe Me Nothing in Return." The album concludes with a wistful, waltzing vision of a perfectly understanding world, "Utopia," in which Morissette becomes an airy Celtic choir. The need, the obstacles, the compassion, the happy ending -- this is the structure of self-help books and talk shows, and unfortunately it seems that Morissette has been consuming them wholesale. Under Rug Swept just about drowns in psychobabble. While the tone of the songs, and the grain of Morissette's voice, promise intimacy, there's hardly a private detail anywhere. Any glimmer of lived experience or everyday imagery - the antibiotics in "Thank U," the refrigerator light in "Not the Doctor" - has been rarefied into abstractions, with enough cliches for a season of Oprah. Try "Precious Illusions," as she intones, "I want to decide between survival and bliss/And though I know who I'm not/I still don't know who I am/But I know I won't keep on playing the victim." Or "That Particular Time," a serenely spacious hymn carrying a prosaic payoff: "I kept on ignoring the ambivalence you felt/And in the meantime I lost myself." Lines like that might provide some perspective if there were a story to go with them, but there is none. Even "Hands Clean" holds not a hint of Lolita guilt, forbidden passion or resentment; compared to her furious take on the same situation in "Right Through You," on Jagged Little Pill, it's downright clinical. Morissette has always had a vague, jargon-slinging side, but on past albums she offset it with raw confessions. Under Rug Swept doesn't bother to get off the couch, and its final track, "Utopia," sounds like an eternal group-therapy session, where "we would share and listen and support and welcome." The paradox is that as Morissette talks herself into self-esteem and deep, shared love, she numbs her own wayward individuality. ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V2 #58 ***************************