From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #309 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Sunday, December 30 2001 Volume 01 : Number 309 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] GO VOTE NOW ["Jasmina J" ] Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] ["Jasmina J" ] [oztori] Resolutions ["Jasmina J" ] Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Becc ] Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] [AndrewR ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [ozliv] [AndrewR ] Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] [Becc ] [oztori] [ozlotr] ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] GO VOTE NOW ["riot poofter" ] [oztori] Revolutions [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] Revolutions ["Dylan Plant" ] RE: [oztori] Revolutions [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] Resolutions [Becc ] Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re: [oztori] Resolutions [Dan Stapleton ] Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] [Dan Stapleton ] Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Becc ] Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Becc ] Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Daniel G ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re[4]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Becc ] Re: Re[4]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Dan Stapleton ] Re[6]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [Becc ] [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) [] Re: [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) [] Re: [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) [] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:23:15 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: Re: [oztori] GO VOTE NOW >Can I just have my little insignificant rant about the >"Hottest" (sic) 100? no you can't!!! :P >The choice of songs they list as voting options truly >sucks... the list, probably, primarily consists of songs that were on JJJ's High rotation lists >I tend to find that the list is waaaaaaaaaay >skewed to songs released in the latter part of the >year aren't these things usually like this? >and they usually only contain ONE measley song by each artiste >- eg. Depeche Mode they list "Freelove", but not >"Dream On" or "I Feel Loved" which were singles before >it, and made much more of an impact. what sort of impact you talking about nathan? how they impacted upon you? how they impacted upon the JJJ staff? i think the latter is more responsible for the listings >Plus.. "Strange Little Girl" is hardly Tori's best >song. who said it was? >And... the list of options is usually full of Aussie >shit like Powderfinger.. (lol dare I say that?!). THERE IS GREAT AUSSIE MUSIC OUT THERE. >Just because it's Australian, doesn't mean it's >worthy. I'm not even touching this for fear of insulting someone >hehehe.. I've no doubt offended a few with that >remark. isnt this your only talent :P >they typically have sooooooooo few songs containing female vocals. I >think in the '98 hottest 100, there were something >like about only FOUR songs with female vocals in the >Top 50. *preparing to get beaten up by the oztori community* perhaps this could be because a lot of female artists SUCK. and if they don't in fact suck they are an acquired taste therefore they are not vote-worthy >But then again, the average JJJ Hottest 100 >voter is a teenaged (no offence lil dan) guy >whothinks muzak such as the Offspring is 'challenging' >and that Eminem is God. i dont know about this and await to see the list for 2001 and if it even contains the afore mentioned artists >Needless to say... Tori still probably won't make it >anyway.. lol. i beg to differ, SLG has been in the net50 for 14 weeks now. that is over 1/4 of the year. which means it is very memorable come hottest 100 voting time. reasons for this being (as nath mentioned above) that songs released later in the year usually seem to pop up in the list since people remember them the most. so SLG will probably make it in the hottest 100 Jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:33:21 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] >>Was it not simply AMAZING gut-wrenchingly AMAZING! it was not simply amazing gut-wrenchingly amazing at all I went in to the cinema expecting a really good movie but walked out totally disappointed. What a bad movie. The story was turned to crap (i am 1/3rd thru the book and hope the movie and directors visions hasnt ruined the rest of the book for me as i was quite enjoying it). The effects were cool and all that. but overall it was crap crap crap (not even worth the effort for me to type crap in caps :P) >LOTR cut (quite adequately and judiciously) the bits of the story that weren't necessary >and left all the "little things" in which made for MUCH more realistic and >entertaining viewing. i disagree totally.it needed all the 'little things' to show the power and importance of the ring which in my opinion it FAILS to do. As for whether it would remain realistic and entertaining if the 'little things' were added i dont know especially since i dont think it was either to start with. And watching just makes me wonder if Mr Tolkien would have approved it if he was still alive. Something makes me think not. Jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:57:46 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: [oztori] Resolutions Another interesting little thread since its that time of the year... Whats your new years resolution? Anyone got some? Mine (after not much deliberation and a conversation with a friend) is to drink more wine. Especially red, since i drink enough white. and that is it Jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:19:52 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] On Sunday, 30/12/2001 at 11:33 PM, Jasmina J wrote: >>>Was it not simply AMAZING gut-wrenchingly AMAZING! JJ> it was not simply amazing gut-wrenchingly amazing at all JJ> I went in to the cinema expecting a really good movie but walked out totally JJ> disappointed. JJ> What a bad movie. We-e-ell, I didn't think it was "simply gut-wrenchingly amazing", but nor do I think it was utter crap. I did think it was a pretty well-done depiction of the book, given the constraints in which they were working (time is what I'm mainly thinking about here), and given that I'd already read the books. Maybe it would be different for someone who hadn't. I didn't exactly walk out of the theatre feeling like the sky had broken open and a beam of light was shining down upon my upturned face, but I suspect that's because a) it's pure fantasy; and b) it wasn't anything new to me as I've read the books already. I think the fact that I've been dying to see it for twelve months probably didn't do it any good either, but ignoring my over-active expectation gland, I thought it was very good. And the characters were all so CUTE! *I* want pointy ears. :( Though I'd settle for Liv Tyler. ;) ~Becc, jumping out of her skin cuz a palm frond must have just fallen off the tree in the back yard. Sounded like the whole bloody tree was toppling...! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:30:50 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] At 00:33 31/12/2001 +1100, Jasmina J wrote: >>>Was it not simply AMAZING gut-wrenchingly AMAZING! > >it was not simply amazing gut-wrenchingly amazing at all > >I went in to the cinema expecting a really good movie but walked out totally >disappointed. >What a bad movie. The story was turned to crap (i am 1/3rd thru the book and >hope the movie and directors visions hasnt ruined the rest of the book for me >as i was quite enjoying it). Maybe that was your problem, you are too close to the book at the moment... are you 1/3rd through the Fellowship of the Rings or 1/3 through the Lord of the Rings - i.e. finished tFotR. You have to stand back and look at this movie and see what an enormous task it has to fulfill, and don't think for a MINUTE that I am letting the movie or Peter Jackson get of easy... for peats sake (oh what a saying) I wanted Tom Bombadil in the fekking movie! I see now that the MOVIE is amazing... I was resigned to the fact long ago - when rumours were around about the movie being a possibility that they would NEVER EVER do it complete justice - - they would NEVER EVER create Middle Earth as I see it in my mind... MY GOD they have got it pretty close though! For a movie, they had what they needed, it had a very nice flow - it never plodded, it added what it needed but it also ADDED what it didn't need to, it had the nice little things. Did they HAVE to show us them camping at the Stone Trolls? Did they HAVE to explain how Merry, Pippin and Sam get weapons even though they don't go through the Old Forest and get trapped on the Barrow Downs by the Barrow Wight... it was explained with no fuss at all. This movie did the book JUSTICE, which I have found that a lot of movies do NOT. (Zac... mention Harry Potter didn't do the book justice?) I said it as soon as the credits rolled... This is the best movie not only of 2001, but probably ever. It had everything. OK it didn't CHALLENGE the mind like some movies, but it let you ESCAPE, totally forget the outside world, it allowed you to be in Middle Earth - as a real place, a place of 'real' people and situations - no matter how outrageous to our everyday world, allows most of us in some places to relate and to reflect on our own lives. That being said about the movies, I must move on to the actors. I am overawed at the talent in this film to begin with, after the movie I am totally dumbfounded at how aptly the roles were cast and how perfect each played their role. I was TOTALLY sceptical of John Rhys-Davies as Gimli, and even though he wasn't given as MUCH to do in the first movie, I couldn't believe my eyes - he wasn't that fat guy from Sliders or Indiana Jones - he was Gimli. Sean Astin he wasn't Mikey from the Goonies... he was SAMWISE GAMGEE. Elijah Wood looked perfect, but I didn't know how he would pull of a very important character... and he pulled it off effortlessly. Elijah Wood IS Frodo Baggins. For me the stand outs were Ian McKellan (yeah I've seen some of his work and already admire this actor) but he took Gandalf to the next level. He was wonderful. Ian Holm as Bilbo - wow - I felt all nostalgic with the talk of his old adventures... and last but not least Viggo Mortenson - I really don't know this actor and I had apprehensions... he didn't look like a Dunedain to me from promo photos - I was SCEPTICAL - I was left satiated at his Aragorn. PERFECT. One thing I might say... which was different to the book, but is CORRECT after reading extra stuff from "Unfinished Tales" about Galadriel... she SCARED me! ;o) But her whole TRIAL with the ring was necessary. I think Peter Jackson has armed this movie with a LOT of stuff that long time 'fans' or 'readers' might recognise more-so than the general viewing public - - at the same time making this a TOTALLY accessible movie to ANYONE. Well seeing as this sounds like a review... I'll give it a rating out of 5... 5/5. I saw another movie this afternoon... Riding in Cars with Boys with Drew Barrymore. Ignore Never Been Kissed or Charlie's Angels... wow is she good in this Movie. Good movie... maybe just missing a LITTLE something... but it was NOT saccarine. One complaint and NOT about the movie... it was about the frelling audience... the cinema was filled to the rafters... and it was BLOODY annoying - I like an empty theatre so I had a lot of really annoying "awwws" (which I have NEVER experienced before - especially when they were sincere). Oh it also has what's his name the Australian from Coyote Ugly... this movie shows us he can ACT. I've also seen 13 Ghosts... eh. It's your usual thin plot/ghost/scare flick - - a little more original I guess than some - only a little. Go for the effects... and the make-up on some - especially the girl-ghost who was all cut up from knifing herself. Eh who am I kidding the acting STANK... and the plot had no REAL twists. Annoying kid, pretty girl, rich uncle, stupid woman who saves the day by accident, good effects. The could have just called it the Phantom Menace, except replace the 'stupid woman' with the stupid CGI character. The 'power-company' guy... how BAD was his acting - yeah he had to over do it cause he had some 'gift' and he was in pain or something - but his acting was just really bad - he was just like he'd had too much caffine. Last movie I saw him in... Wing Commander... bleh! BTW, what's so good about Shannon Elizabeth? Give ME Alyson Hannigan. Andrew - oztoreviews. P.S. Does anyone think Tozza should go 'Madonna' and do a movie - but, well not crappy ones like Madz? Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:41:46 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [ozliv] At 00:19 31/12/2001 +1000, Becc wrote: >On Sunday, 30/12/2001 at 11:33 PM, Jasmina J wrote: > >>>>Was it not simply AMAZING gut-wrenchingly AMAZING! > >JJ> it was not simply amazing gut-wrenchingly amazing at all > >JJ> I went in to the cinema expecting a really good movie but walked out totally >JJ> disappointed. >JJ> What a bad movie. > > >We-e-ell, I didn't think it was "simply gut-wrenchingly amazing", but nor do >I think it was utter crap. I did think it was a pretty well-done >depiction of the book, given the constraints in which they >were working (time is what I'm mainly thinking about here), and given >that I'd already read the books. Again, someone can sum up in a few lines what I take a page and a half to say! ;) I still loved it to pieces though. > >And the characters were all so CUTE! *I* want pointy ears. :( Though I'd >settle for Liv Tyler. ;) Hmmmmm Liv was sooooo beautiful and CUTE! Yeah! I have an mp3 snippet of her speaking Elvish on Conan O'Brien... it's so... spine-tingling... lovely! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 02:41:07 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 2:30 AM, AndrewR wrote: A> ... and last but not A> least Viggo Mortenson - I really don't know this actor and I had A> apprehensions... he didn't look like a Dunedain to me from promo photos - I A> was SCEPTICAL - I was left satiated at his Aragorn. PERFECT. Mmm, I thought he was so perfect as Aragorn that I went and checked up on his bio at a few places, earlier this evening. The photos I saw of him as himself were so completely un-Aragorn-like, I was just stunned. (Without the beard he has this funny-looking square chin that makes him look like a football jock! And short hair... eck!) ~Becc. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:45:29 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] [ozlotr] i have yet to see lotr (a bit close to lotl - lesbians on the loose - methinks), but don't really want to. i find tolkein really boring and only will see the film b/c peter jackson is sooo ace (meet the feebles is my fav film). however, i just thought i'd piss off some lotr fans by quoting my best friend's description of fellowship the movie: "its like a 3 hour travel new zealand commercial with no plot and at the end all you get is another bloody enya song. i mean, it takles a bit more..." hehehe Roozi ps. monsters inc was fabtastic! _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 03:55:06 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] GO VOTE NOW > >they typically have sooooooooo few songs containing female vocals. I > >think in the '98 hottest 100, there were something > >like about only FOUR songs with female vocals in the > >Top 50. > >*preparing to get beaten up by the oztori community* >perhaps this could be because a lot of female artists SUCK. and if they >don't >in fact suck they are an acquired taste therefore they are not vote-worthy what total bollocks! these countdowns always under represent women, and there are heaps of excellent women artists (& bands with women) about (if you ignore trash like sarah maclachlan). besides tori, 2001 was a fabulous year for aimee man, missy elliot, george, natalie imbruglia, kosheen, hooverphonic, blu cantrell, eve, dido, mary j blige, lamb, bjork, pj harvey etc etc... give me any of these women over stale aussie boy rock like powderfinger any fucking day! jjj sucks, jasmina, why defend it? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 08:05:55 +1000 From: "Pamela Collom" Subject: Re: [oztori] Resolutions I actually don't have one. If I did, it would probably be that I should be more tolerant to people ( and especially their music tastes). And probably not to spend as much money either. :-) Pam >From: "Jasmina J" >To: "oztori" >Subject: [oztori] Resolutions >Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 00:57:46 +1100 > >Another interesting little thread since its that time of the year... >Whats your new years resolution? >Anyone got some? > > >Mine (after not much deliberation and a conversation with a friend) is to >drink more wine. Especially red, since i drink enough white. > >and that is it > >Jas My Livejournal! :- www.livejournal.com/~aeon16 "We've met before, haven't we?" Robert Blake - Lost Highway "I was a teenage werewolf. With braces on my fangs" The Cramps _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 14:48:28 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Revolutions Jasmina J wrote: > Whats your new years resolution? > Anyone got some? "Not to make any", of course :P But if I were to make some: 1) Post to oztori more often (:P j/k) 2) Take up smoking 3) Burn my Tori collection (with a cigarette butt, perhaps?) 4) Take up drugs 5) Enrol in therapy 6) Become a born-again Christian 7) Bonk a priest Andrew R wrote: > P.S. Does anyone think Tozza should go 'Madonna' and > do a movie - but, well not crappy ones like Madz? Erm... I'd say "No". Although.. maybe the Spark video could be stretched out into a semi-interesting movie. "In Bed With Tori Amos" surely could make an interesting flick though... complete with Tori doing 'simulated' masturbation on the piano stool during a live rendition of "Icicle", and performing fellatio on her mic (erm, doesn't she normally do these already? ;) Jasmina "don't call me 'Jackass' not unless you are a friend" J wrote: > *preparing to get beaten up by the oztori community* > perhaps this could be because a lot of female > artists SUCK. and if they don't in fact suck they > are an acquired taste therefore they are not > vote-worthy Hehehe.. I half-commend you for "going against the grain" around here.. but I disagree with you muchly. Roozi wrote: > give me any of these women over stale aussie boy > rock like powderfinger any fucking day! Oh yes how true! The fact that Australia can't seem to move beyond "stale aussie boy rock" is the main reason why Australian music rarely 'makes it' overseas, IMNSHO. Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:25:28 +1100 From: "Dylan Plant" Subject: RE: [oztori] Revolutions Nathan "Let Them Eat Cake!" R wittered: But if I were to make some: 1) Post to oztori more often (:P j/k) 2) Take up smoking 3) Burn my Tori collection (with a cigarette butt, perhaps?) 4) Take up drugs 5) Enrol in therapy 6) Become a born-again Christian 7) Bonk a priest Been there, done that, bought the postcard...hee, hee, hee... (Priests are fun...LOL...) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 15:31:19 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] Revolutions Dylan "Let Them Eat My Pussy!" Plant wrote: > Been there, done that, bought the postcard...hee, > hee, hee... > (Priests are fun...LOL...) Yeah, but did you become a born-again Christian is the main question on everyone's lips?! As for the priest.. was "Crucify", "Muhammad My Friend", "Merman", "God", and "Father Lucifer" playing in the background at the time? Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:11:30 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re: [oztori] Resolutions On Monday, 30/12/2001 at 11:57 PM, Jasmina J wrote: JJ> Another interesting little thread since its that time of the year... JJ> Whats your new years resolution? JJ> Anyone got some? I was going to completely forgo the resolutions thing this year, and instead sit down and write out some larger goals, and smaller things that I can do to help accomplish these, etc. Do New Year's Resolutions actually WORK for anyone?? ~Becc. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:28:23 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] - --- Jasmina J wrote: > it was not simply amazing gut-wrenchingly > amazing at all LMAO! i know! how fucking CORNY can you be?!?! OMG! COOOOOOOOORRRRRNYYYYY!!!! "Don't you leave him Samois-Gangee.... I don't intend to!" niiiiiiice use of slow-mo every 5 fucking minutes too. niiiiice thinly-veiled gay subtext ending too. and don't forget the wonderfully unclichid underwater scene :P i actually thought the first hour was GREAT. it really just went downhill when they got to the Elven place (Aussie guy w/ receding hairline..... you know what i'm talking about). it just got soooooo corny! the cinema was audibly amused at several points by the sheer corniness. my favorite line was (evil wizard): "YOU WILL ALL TASTE MAN-FLESH!!!" LMAO sexiest character was Frodo (who just got more appealling as the film progressed, to the point where i was practically humping the screen at the end). oh, and Ian McKellan too :P (RIP Ian BTW). i luuuurved the Enya song at the end. listening to it now :) i also luuuurved the dark rider people. they scared me. but seriously, everyone - CORRRRRRRRNY!!!!! the FX were kewl but for some reason they came across as shoddy at several points for me, as opposed to something like Episode One, where it all flowed seamlessly. > i disagree totally.it needed all the 'little things' > to show the power and > importance of the ring which in my opinion it FAILS > to do. ooh, i thought the "GIMME THE RING DAMMIT!" bits were good! especially w/ Bilbo (wonderfully acted by Ian Holm IMHO). l'il dan ~ np. (Enya's finished) Wise Up: Aimee Mann (you want a 3 hour movie that DOESN'T seem to go for 6 hours? try magnolia :P) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:31:39 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Resolutions - --- Jasmina J wrote: > Another interesting little thread since its that > time of the year... > Whats your new years resolution? > Anyone got some? in contrast to Miss J's, mine is to stay off alcohol. only hard drugs from now on ;) l'il dan "That's it. No more alcohol. It's only hard drugs from now on." - Warren, This Life (OMG please tell me some of you are This Life fans) ~ ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 16:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] [oztoreviews] - --- AndrewR read my mind: > P.S. Does anyone think Tozza should go 'Madonna' and > do a movie - but, well > not crappy ones like Madz? OMG! i was just thinking this last night! it would ROCK! she would ROCK! change it to "she should to a Bjork." imagine how COOL that would be! the reason i was thinking it is, in the trailer for The Shipping News (looks like an okay movie, all-star cast, Jullianne Moore - or however you spell it, the one from magnolia - etc.) Cate Blanchett looks EXACTLY like Tori. i actually thought it WAS Tori for a second. l'il dan ;) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:44:48 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] >LMAO! i know! how fucking CORNY can you be?!?! OMG! >COOOOOOOOORRRRRNYYYYY!!!! "Don't you leave him >Samois-Gangee.... I don't intend to!" I know...but the book is similarly corny...you just don't actually see it acted out. >it really >just went downhill when they got to the Elven place >(Aussie guy w/ receding hairline..... you know what >i'm talking about). it just got soooooo corny! the >cinema was audibly amused at several points by the >sheer corniness. rivendell was the only disappointment, in my mind. >oh, >and Ian McKellan too :P (RIP Ian BTW). did he pass away? when??? Ian was SO the best actor in the whole film. He was great in X-Men and Gods & Monsters too. >i luuuurved the Enya song at the end. listening to it >now :) Its an Enya song. Its nice... I bought the funky leather soundtrack package thing. For those interested, its Liz Fraser (from Cocteau Twins) who sings the Lament to Gandalf in "Lothlorien". >i also luuuurved the dark rider people. they scared >me. they didn't scare me...but they were wonderful. especially the noises. reminded me of a whole bunch of screaming people... >the FX were kewl but for some reason they came across >as shoddy at several points for me, as opposed to >something like Episode One, where it all flowed >seamlessly. yes. bilbo's face with the "give it to me" was a little over the top. i think galadriel's bit was a bit over the top too, albeit fitting. and cates performance was, sadly, a bit flat. as much as i can see the holes and am quite happy to join anyone in picking at them, for a cinematic attempt at the lord of the rings, it was superb. xoxo dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 10:44:51 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 10:28 AM, Dan Stapleton wrote: DS> niiiiice thinly-veiled gay subtext ending too. and DS> don't forget the wonderfully unclichid underwater DS> scene :P Oh c'moooon. Have you read the books? The hobbits are passionately bursting into tears the whole way through, whenever they part with anyone or any place (I'm thinking Sam and the elves). Obviously hobbits are a lot less repressed than humans are! I think they did really well to show this *without* giving the audience reason to wonder if there were supposed to be homosexual undertones. On the subject of cliches, it's pretty damned cliched to assume homosexuality in any display of emotions between two males. :P ~Becc. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:03:47 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozlotr] - --- Daniel G wrote: > did he pass away? when??? this week, according to my mum (i doubt she would lie about such a thing). > Ian was SO the best actor in the whole film. > He was great in X-Men and Gods & Monsters too. true. > Its an Enya song. and the prize for most redundant comment on oztori goes to: DAN! for, "it's an enya song"! > Its nice... i think you should ask your english teacher about using the word nice (and how one shouldn't). > I bought the funky leather soundtrack package thing. > For those interested, its Liz Fraser (from Cocteau > Twins) > who sings the Lament to Gandalf in "Lothlorien". ooh! cool! does it have the enya songs too? should i get it? > they didn't scare me...but they were wonderful. i jumped out of my seat at one point, in the forest. oh god, it scared me. a sidepoint: does anyone else think that Peter Jackson was DYING to make this a porno?!? it was laced with sexual subtexts/hints. i think it would have been cool if samois and frodo had got it on at the end (waits for the beatings to begin). l'il dan ;) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:13:46 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 11:03 AM, Dan Stapleton wrote: >> Its an Enya song. DS> and the prize for most redundant comment on oztori DS> goes to: DAN! for, "it's an enya song"! >> Its nice... DS> i think you should ask your english teacher about DS> using the word nice (and how one shouldn't). I think that was precisely Dan G's point, wasn't it? You know: It's an Enya song, it's nice. DS> a sidepoint: does anyone else think that Peter Jackson DS> was DYING to make this a porno?!? it was laced with DS> sexual subtexts/hints. *smack* You just have a one track mind. You should try reading the books sometime. It'll all make sense to you then. ~Becc. :) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:27:33 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] >I think that was precisely Dan G's point, wasn't it? You know: > It's an Enya song, it's nice. Yes. Thank you Becc. Spot on! I mean...its an Enya song. It kinda creates its own category. Its like saying "its a heavy metal song" or "its a piece of techno crap" or what have you. It describes the inoffensive vocal wailings/whisperings over a largely non-confronting wash of background instrumentation. It is an Enya song. BTW - I have absolutely nothing whatsoever against Enya or her music. Hell, I own her boxed set, a few singles and "Watermark". Lil' "oh my god i'm obsessed with sex in Lord Of The Rings...hell, I'm just obsessed with sex" Dan said: "and the prize for most redundant comment on oztori goes to: DAN! for, "it's an enya song"!" see above. he also said: "ooh! cool! does it have the enya songs too? should i get it?" yes and yes. only for the funky fake-leather packaging though. the booklet it great too. great photos. don't bother with the multimedia website bit though. its all a great big "LOOK AT ENYA! SHE'S ON THE LOTR SOUNDTRACK!" piece. "samois" its SAMWISE. geez, read the book! i could make a cutting remark about age here and i'm dying to, but that would be mean so i won't. maybe i'll email nayth and he can make it for me. ; ) "(waits for the beatings to begin)" oh yes, you'd just love that wouldn't you *g* tori content for this email: er...i'll be playing PGY at midnight tonite! there done xoxo dan ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:37:03 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] - --- Becc wrote: > On the > subject of cliches, it's > pretty damned cliched to assume homosexuality in any > display of emotions > between two males. :P > > ~Becc. :) touche. but the ending was sooooooooo much more than a 'display of emotion between two males'! l'il dan ;) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] - --- Becc wrote: > I think that was precisely Dan G's point, wasn't it? yeah, it was. but it just read like: Dan (lil) - I liked the Enya Song Dan (King Gee) - It's an Enya song, FYI. > *smack* You just have a one track mind. You should > try reading the books > sometime. i tried. i got through the hobbit then i gave up. l'il dan ;) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] [ozlotr] DS> "(waits DS> for the beatings to begin)" KING GEE> oh yes, you'd just love that wouldn't you *g* depends if Pam hands out her "gear" for us all to use ;) l'il dan ;) ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 11:50:33 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[4]: [oztori] [ozlotr] On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 11:39 AM, Dan Stapleton wrote: DS> i tried. i got through the hobbit then i gave up. That's cuz 'The Hobbit' is kids' stuff. Oh, wait... who am I talking to again? ;) But seriously, I tried to read 'The Hobbit' when I was younger and didn't make it far into it before giving up. It's sitting on my floor at the moment, but I'm only intending on trying it again because somewhere in there the seed was planted for the better, darker LOTR. Luckily for me someone managed to convince me to give LOTR a shot despite the immaturity and jolty structure of the 'The Hobbit' (which makes sense when you consider Tolkien wrote it in installments to send home to his son while he was serving in the war). Allow me to pass on the advice! LOTR is much better. Guess I should probably START 'The Hobbit' sometime soon, eh? Think it was due back at the library the day before Christmas. Along with these other three I'm halfway through. Oops. ~Becc. :) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 17:58:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[4]: [oztori] [ozlotr] - --- Becc wrote: > That's cuz 'The Hobbit' is kids' stuff. Oh, wait... > who am I talking > to again? ;) oh, you slay me, Becc! hahahaha! what wit! > LOTR is much better. hrm. sorry, i'm finding it hard to type coherently: i'm laughing so darn hard at your age crack! wow! almost as good as being called a kid every 5 seconds by roozi/nathan/andrew R/king gee! i guess it's the originality of your wit that really makes a lasting impression on me. l'il dan ~ ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:00:50 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[6]: [oztori] [ozlotr] On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 11:58 AM, Dan Stapleton wrote: DS> sorry, i'm finding it hard to type coherently: i'm DS> laughing so darn hard at your age crack! wow! almost DS> as good as being called a kid every 5 seconds by DS> roozi/nathan/andrew R/king gee! LOL Aw, don't let it get to ya, kiddo. *ruffles your hair* ~Becc. :P ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:09:22 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) OK, this has absolutely nothing to do with anything, but... in my local paper, there's this old bag called "Jill Duck" who is always getting her letters published on the Opinions page. I think she may be an ex-polly.. extremely conservative and 1950's views on things (grrrrrrrr I think the only reason they keep publishing her letters is to piss people off). Anyway, an absolute 'corker' (IMHO) of a letter from her was published on Saturday just gone by: - ------------------------------------------------------- WATCH WHAT YOU DRINK Parents of teenage children could do them a favour by walking them around a liquor store and pointing out the alcoholic content of drinks. It might surprise them and you. A good drink for boys is light beer. For girls is [sic] a white wine spritzer - half wine and half soda water. This does not alter the taste but has the benefit of halving the alcoholic content and halving the calories. The spiking of young women's drinks is becoming an epidemic, so you need a drink that the scum can't hide anything in. JILL DUCK - ------------------------------------------------------- Reading that just made me "LOL" a lot for some reason. Then in today's paper, Jill has a great suggestion re: donating blood: "Rather than the Red Cross paying donors, perhaps recipients of blood could be charged. This would only apply to those in perfect health, under 60, who are not regular blood donors." LMAO... of course those in "perfect health" are the most needing of blood. I love how she says "under 60" to cover her own wrinkly ass... heheh OK enough of my insignificant shit. Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2001 12:17:40 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) On Monday, 31/12/2001 at 12:09 PM, Nathan R wrote: NR> Then in today's paper, Jill has a great suggestion re: NR> donating blood: NR> "Rather than the Red Cross paying donors, perhaps NR> recipients of blood could be charged. This would only NR> apply to those in perfect health, under 60, who are NR> not regular blood donors." Oh my gods. I can see it now: your car goes spinning off the road and you lose both legs. The ambulance whooshes you away, sirens blaring, to the nearest hospital, where you land, groggy with pain on a hospital bed. "She's going to need blood!" yells a nurse above the hustle and bustle of the ER. The doctor turns to you, fear in his eyes, and asks: "Did you bring your Mastercard?" How utterly stupid. A society in which only rich people can receive stuff necessary to continue their lives comfortably is EXACTLY what we need, Ms Duck. ~grumbly Becc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2001 18:32:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozbeccnlildan] Completely OT: "Boys that drank light beer, girls that drank white wine spritzer" (sung to the first verse of Real Men) Becc "Nathan can't actually think of anything to put into inverted commas about me, because he doesn't pay enough attention to my e-mails usually" wrote: > How utterly stupid. A society in which only rich > people can receive > stuff necessary to continue their lives comfortably > is EXACTLY what we > need, Ms Duck. I think the 'u' in her surname is a mis-print. Surely it's meant to be an 'i' ;) Nathan. NP: "Cold War" - Faye Wong! (Cantonese cover of "Silent All These Years!" - and as for coincidence, my new Singaporean 'colleague' at work is a Faye Wong fan!) . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #309 ****************************