From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #287 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Monday, December 10 2001 Volume 01 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] bookclubsandwich [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] Fw: Manchester review from the Evening News [Nathan R ] [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... [Dan Stapleton ] Re: Re[2]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... [Dan Stapleton ] Re: Re[4]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... [Dan Stapleton ] [oztori] irc ["Rachael Chrisp" ] Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) [AndrewR ] Re: Re[4]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... [AndrewR ] [oztori] ebay ways [Daniel G ] Re: [oztori] The Polly-Jeans Are In [Daniel G ] RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes [Holly Williamson Subject: [oztori] bookclubsandwich At 18:08 8/12/2001 -0800, Nathan R wrote: >Dylan "nuclear power" Plant >wrote: > >> Ok, just have to say this: Midday Show no longer >> exists here ppls!!!! >Yes, but the memories are still 'ours' to treasure >always. Kerri-Anne, we salute you! > >Nathan. So I guess you were a fan of "Greed"!?! Soon you'll be telling us you were a fan of "The Main Even" and "Press Your Luck"! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:33:08 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] Fw: Manchester review from the Evening News Lavenda wrote: > Anyway, I'm begining to think that in the fan realm > it's just a bit of > poetic license, as _music_ from LE was out in '91. > As for the journos, they > rarely research properly. > > It still begs the question why in Tori's own tour > book it is listed as > '1991'. ...just like it says in Tori's own lyric booklet to Little Earthquakes, "let them break their hold OVER me" when she really sings 'ON me'. ...just like The Bee Sides songbook says the lyrics in Daisy Dead Petals are "underneath the shade of a peppermint TRAY". ...just like Marianne in Sister Janet is spelt "Maryanne" on the reverse of the UK Cornflake Girl single. ...just like... Need I go on? ;) Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 00:35:15 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] I would love to see... Tori cover Blu Cantrell's "Hit 'Em Up Style (Oops!)"! "lol". Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 20:13:06 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) >ALBUMS: >WINNER: Lamb - What Sound >RUNNERS UP: >Bjork - Vespertine. Sugababes - One Touch Missy Elliot - Miss E... So Addictive India Arie - Acoustic Soul and maybe Aimee Mann's Bachelor Number 2 (although i think itw as a 200 release??) >SINGLES/EPs: >WINNER: Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in Australia at least) if that doesn't count, then: Lamb - Gabriel >RUNNERS UP: George - Special Ones Sugababes - Run for Cover Bjork - Pagan Poetry Madonna - What it feels like for a girl Robbie Williams - Supreme India Arie - Video >SONG OF THE YEAR probably lamb's "gabriel" again? oh no, its... Tori Amos - '97 Bonnie 'n' Clyde >TOP 5 LIVE SHOWS OF THE YEAR >PJ Harvey @ Enmore Theatre only show i saw apart from sugababes at fox studios (crap), but was bloody brilliant. My Own categories: BEST AUSTRALIAN ACT (aka. award for proving that australian music isn't a contradiction in terms) George Runner up: Natalie Imbruglia ASS-SHAKER OF THE YEAR: Missy Elliot - Get UR Freak On TRASHY YET DELECTABLE POP SONG OF THE YEAR: Samantha Mumba - Always Come Back to Your Love ALBUM OF THE YEAR I CAN'T BELIEVE I LIKED Ben Folds - Rockin' the Suburbs (thanks Dan H) TORI DESERVES AN AWARD FOR BEING TORI Tori Amos - Strange Little Girls Best albums not-actually-released in 2001 but that took off in 2001 1. PJ Harvey  Stories From the City, Stories From the Sea 2. Dido  No Angel 3. Avalanches  Since I Left You 4. Robbie Williams  Sing When Youre Winning 5. Coldplay - Parachutes That is all. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:31:50 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] OT - BT (hee, hee, hee, poet and I didn't know it!) stupid saying... - --- Dylan Plant wrote: was just listening to Ima and one of the > synthesizers in Embracing the > Sunshine, > > Deeper Sunshine and Embracing the Future (jeez, he > thought hard for the > names on > > this album...) uh, seeing as those songs are variations on a theme, i think they're cool names! my orignal Embracing the Sunshine CD (yay!) also has another kewl name: the Deeper Future Dub! :) > ....it sounds almost exactly like the > Macleans ad... which synth? and what ad? (never seen it). BTW, everyone, IMA rocks! plus, it has tozza on it! (tozza content for this month). l'i dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:42:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) - --- riot poofter wrote: > >ALBUMS: > >WINNER: > > Lamb - What Sound yay! > > >RUNNERS UP: > > >Bjork - Vespertine. yay! > >SINGLES/EPs: > > >WINNER: > > Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in > Australia at least) uh, WTF? you're treading on very thin ice, liking eminem, matey. i had a huuuge debate on RDTRN about how much he sucks, and therefore dido sucks, which i'm tempted to bring up here. but hey, if you don't mind supporting a homophobic mysoginist who sings about killing his wife and then records his baby's GOO-GAAING over the top (and also support the dumb bitch who sees him as 'clever' and 'witty'), fine by me. > > if that doesn't count, then: > > Lamb - Gabriel > much better choice. l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:49:03 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 7:42 PM, Dan Stapleton wrote: >> >SINGLES/EPs: >> >> >WINNER: >> >> Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in >> Australia at least) DS> uh, WTF? you're treading on very thin ice, liking DS> eminem, matey. i had a huuuge debate on RDTRN about DS> how much he sucks, and therefore dido sucks, which i'm DS> tempted to bring up here. but hey, if you don't mind DS> supporting a homophobic mysoginist Gotta agree with Dan on this one. Eminem's a freak. Dido sounds quite nice but writes insipid lyrics. And, like most pop musicians I know of, only seems to inject any effort into her singles; the rest of that album 'No Angel' was pure filler. *ducks to avoid the pouncing of angry Dido-lovin' oztorians* ~Becc. :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:52:29 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) Dan Stapleton wrote: > > Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in > > Australia at least) > > uh, WTF? you're treading on very thin ice, Quit trying to include paraphrased Yoko Ono song titles in your e-mails! :P (I'm referring to the "classic" 'Walking On Thin Ice' for any of you who are sitting there thinking "huh?" [I suspect a large proportion]) > liking > eminem, matey. i had a huuuge debate on RDTRN about > how much he sucks, and therefore dido sucks, which > i'm > tempted to bring up here. but hey, if you don't mind > supporting a homophobic mysoginist MysogYnist. If you're going to beat them, you've got to know how to spell them first :) > who sings about > killing his wife Er, forgive me for being overly pedantic (who, ME?) but since when has Eminem ever "sang"? I thought he 'rapped' only. > and then records his baby's > GOO-GAAING over the top His sound engineer probably recorded it, not he. Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 20:50:40 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: [oztori] well it is seriously a spring hot haze, why its it hot? what it wrong with me...gte out of my head you stupid lyric, which i know is completely wrong.... right, just sifted through a whole lotta mail, and you people make me laugh, some of you are so funny, do not take that as what you say is funny, hehehehe :P but first things first - in spring haze, i totally going insane about this either because i am insane for hearing this in the first place, or i will go insane trying to find where she sings this, or i am just insane.....but so, the song spring haze - does tori ever sing "i know it's just a spring hot haze" i have this set in my brain, no matter what i can't gte it out of my head, i know the HOT doesn't belong, but anyone know if she has ever sung it that way, or am i going insane? or is it just from the way she sings it, ie, 'a spring h-haze', this has been driving me nuts for ages NR>I wish she'd fucking QUIT the "I said" and "here" NR>business. I love Bliss, but it totally *grates* on my NR>nerves how many times she says "I said.. I said". She NR>desperately needs some new ad-lib material. I wish you'd quit stating the above. :) If you don't like it stop listening to her. :) I don't think she's gonna change just for you. :) note - i think my new found saying is - "if you don't like it...........", its even starting to annoy me how i keep saying it, heh DS>there's a chick too, but the first person that we have DS>the pleasure of seeing in Precious Things is a guy, DS>and he's bloody hilarious. hmmm....must scrape this video up and see this that is all jas ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 01:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BOGUS categories!!) Becc wrote: > *ducks to avoid the pouncing of angry Dido-lovin' > oztorians* That coulda been a bewwy funny sentence had you slipped an extra 'l' in there somewhere. Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:59:38 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[4]: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BOGUS categories!!) On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 7:55 PM, Nathan R wrote: >> *ducks to avoid the pouncing of angry Dido-lovin' >> oztorians* NR> That coulda been a bewwy funny sentence had you NR> slipped an extra 'l' in there somewhere. Evil! You're pure evil!! ~Becc. :P - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 02:07:45 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: Re[4]: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BOGUS categories!!) Becc wrote: > Evil! You're pure evil!! Thank you darling :) Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 21:55:39 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... > > Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in > > Australia at least) > >uh, WTF? you're treading on very thin ice, liking >eminem, matey. i had a huuuge debate on RDTRN about >how much he sucks, and therefore dido sucks, which i'm >tempted to bring up here. but hey, if you don't mind >supporting a homophobic mysoginist who sings about >killing his wife and then records his baby's >GOO-GAAING over the top (and also support the dumb >bitch who sees him as 'clever' and 'witty'), fine by >me. If anyone would like me to send them my artcicle (Honi Soit, 2001) on Eminem ("establishment rebel") they are most welcome. I don't like Eminem per se. Most of his music `is either offensive (eg. "Kim") or self-indulgent ("my name is" etc). However, for all his disgustingness, Eminem is a very clever guy and writes very well. "Stan" is a jewel of a song, in which he actually plays with emotions rather than prejudices and in which the sample of dido is hauntingly used to remindus that, although men's suffering may be manifest in more violent and visible ways, there are often women silently suffering at the sidelines. "Stan" is not offensive, unlike other Eminem songs - it deals with misogyny but does not endorse it. It chilled me and made me cry teh first time i heard it and still does that. I don't think Eminem's albums are good. I don't endorse his fucked opinions, nor do i accept that his homophobia and misogyny is satire. He is a clear example of someone who exploits 'divide and rule' tactics, channelling the anger of young white (mostly white? mostly of low socio-economic backgrounds?) men into hatred of women and queers. However the guy has produced one damn fine song, provocative and touching, and that is "Stan". As for Dido, i think her music is really quite good. Simple but good. Sure, her singles greatly exceed her other songs in quality, but with singles like thank you, here with me and take my hand (double a-side of hunter in soem countries), who needs the whole album to be amazing. admittedly, i like her 'work' on "stan" better than her own songs, but that is hardly a criticism. On teh bright side, i bet *no-one* expected me to like an eminem song hehehe but seriously, you can have a more sophisticated critique of homophobia and misogyny (dan s: note correct spelling) than to just say: eminem is sexist/homophobic and therefore nothing he does has any merit. I agree that stan is not, within teh context of his album, a wonderful song, but when it stands alone it is amazing. and by teh way, lil dan, isn't criticising dido for being (by implication) sexist and homophobic and then caling her a "dumb bitch" kinda ironic?? hehehe xx Roozi nr (now reading) - harry potter and the prisoner of azkaban (i'm sooooooo addicted) nw (now wearing) - hedwig backpack with bondage collar (on hedwig not me) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:10:47 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 8:55 PM, riot poofter wrote: rp> If anyone would like me to send them my artcicle (Honi Soit, 2001) on Eminem rp> ("establishment rebel") they are most welcome. I don't like Eminem per se. rp> Most of his music `is either offensive (eg. "Kim") or self-indulgent ("my rp> name is" etc). However, for all his disgustingness, Eminem is a very clever rp> guy and writes very well. One of my flatmates said the same thing a while ago, when we were discussing the guy. Said the only reason he listened to him was because he wrote well and was passionate. I'd be interested in reading your article, so yeah, fling it this way. rp> but seriously, you can have a more sophisticated critique of homophobia and rp> misogyny (dan s: note correct spelling) than to rp> just say: eminem is sexist/homophobic and therefore nothing he does has any rp> merit. I don't know that those are exactly the words I'd use, but I do refuse to support artists whose behaviour in general leads me to believe they're arseholes. That's just me. I go and check up on everyone I listen to to see what they're like, what the represent, and if I don't agree with them I don't buy. That doesn't mean the music mightn't be good, or that I might not like it if I heard it (which I usually don't, since the only new stuff I hear is either tracks I download - usually be recommendation of people on this list - or stuff I hear wafting in here from my other flatmate's room, whose taste I trust), but I still wouldn't buy it. I'm a bit of a snob like that. ;) ~Becc. - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:11:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... - --- riot poofter wrote: > If anyone would like me to send them my artcicle > (Honi Soit, 2001) on Eminem > ("establishment rebel") they are most welcome. sure. > However, for all his disgustingness, > Eminem is a very clever > guy and writes very well. so? > "Stan" is a jewel of a > song, in which he actually > plays with emotions rather than prejudices and in > which the sample of dido > is hauntingly used to remindus that, although men's > suffering may be > manifest in more violent and visible ways, there are > often women silently > suffering at the sidelines. uh, you think he thought that when he took the dido sample? "wow, this could be a wonderful critique of female suffering!"? > > "Stan" is not offensive, unlike other Eminem songs - some of hitler's ideas weren't either. > it deals with misogyny > but does not endorse it. unlike many of his other songs. i just don't see how you can say "well, if he isn't being misogynystic in one song, but he is in others, i can listen to the songs he ISN'T being sexist in, but not the ones that he is." > I don't think Eminem's albums are good. I don't > endorse his fucked opinions, > nor do i accept that his homophobia and misogyny is > satire. He is a clear > example of someone who exploits 'divide and rule' > tactics, channelling the > anger of young white (mostly white? mostly of low > socio-economic > backgrounds?) men into hatred of women and queers. > > However the guy has produced one damn fine song, > provocative and touching, > and that is "Stan". hitler produced a nation of damn fine soldiers, provocative and touching, and they are "Nazis". > > As for Dido, i think her music is really quite good. > Simple but good. Sure, > her singles greatly exceed her other songs in > quality, but with singles like > thank you, here with me and take my hand (double > a-side of hunter in soem > countries), who needs the whole album to be amazing. > i used to love her until i found out about Stan :( > admittedly, i like her 'work' on "stan" better than > On teh bright side, i bet *no-one* expected me to > like an eminem song hehehe no, i actually did, because it's another pointless rebelling opinion you have that really runs itself into the ground upon close scrutiny. > but seriously, you can have a more sophisticated > critique of homophobia and > misogyny (dan s: note correct spelling) than to > just say: eminem is sexist/homophobic and therefore > nothing he does has any > merit. not saying nothing he does has any merit. i am saying that i think it is naive to apprieciate the good deeds of someone who is inherently "bad". time to hammer the hitler analogy: do you think that Hitler's swift economic stengthening of Germany should be praised as "amazing", "wonderful" and "a jewel" of strategy? > I agree that stan is not, within teh context > of his album, a > wonderful song, but when it stands alone it is > amazing. i find it ironic that you can profess to like tori after that comment. the whole fucking point of strange little girls was to show that people cannot seperate themselves from particular pieces of art. stan CAN'T stand alone, in my opinion. > > and by teh way, lil dan, isn't criticising dido for > being (by implication) > sexist and homophobic and then caling her a "dumb > bitch" kinda ironic?? no. i don't actually see the term "btich" as any more misogynystic than "bastard" in that context. and she is dum, lol. i'm reeeeally interested to see your comebacks to this. l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:24:09 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... - --- Becc wrote: > I don't know that those are exactly the words I'd > use, but I do refuse > to support artists whose behaviour in general leads > me to believe > they're arseholes. That's just me. I go and check > up on everyone I > listen to to see what they're like, what the > represent, and if I don't > agree with them I don't buy. That doesn't mean the > music mightn't be > good, or that I might not like it if I heard it > (which I usually > don't, since the only new stuff I hear is either > tracks I download - > usually be recommendation of people on this list - > or stuff I hear > wafting in here from my other flatmate's room, whose > taste I trust), > but I still wouldn't buy it. I'm a bit of a snob > like that. ;) oh becc, i love you! you summed it up far more eloquently than i ever could. love your work, dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:24:33 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 9:11 PM, Dan Stapleton wrote: >> However, for all his disgustingness, >> Eminem is a very clever >> guy and writes very well. DS> so? I'm not going to disagree with any of what you've said, because this is exactly how I think. I can appreciate that something is clever, written, or (as my first flatmate says) emotive. But that in and of itself isn't going to sit well with me if it jars with my own personal beliefs/ethics/etc. BUT, Dan, Dan, Dan.... you invoked Godwin's law several times in that email! Net tradition states that you have automatically "lost"! lol ~Becc. ;) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:28:49 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[2]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... - --- Becc wrote: > On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 9:11 PM, Dan Stapleton > wrote: > > >> However, for all his disgustingness, > >> Eminem is a very clever > >> guy and writes very well. > > DS> so? > > I'm not going to disagree with any of what you've > said, because this is exactly > how I think. I can appreciate that something is > clever, written, or > (as my first flatmate says) emotive. But that in > and of itself isn't > going to sit well with me if it jars with my own > personal beliefs/ethics/etc. > > BUT, Dan, Dan, Dan.... you invoked Godwin's law > several times in that > email! Net tradition states that you have > automatically "lost"! lol what is it?!??! plus, the "so" has a purpose! i didn't just say it .... dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:31:47 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] Fw: Manchester review from the Evening News - --- Nathan R wrote: > ...just like it says in Tori's own lyric booklet to > Little Earthquakes, "let them break their hold OVER > me" when she really sings 'ON me'. > > ...just like The Bee Sides songbook says the lyrics > in > Daisy Dead Petals are "underneath the shade of a > peppermint TRAY". > > ...just like Marianne in Sister Janet is spelt > "Maryanne" on the reverse of the UK Cornflake Girl > single. > > ...just like... > > Need I go on? ;) please don't, you sad, SAD man ;) l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:34:34 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[4]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 9:28 PM, Dan Stapleton wrote: >> BUT, Dan, Dan, Dan.... you invoked Godwin's law >> several times in that >> email! Net tradition states that you have >> automatically "lost"! lol DS> what is it?!??! plus, the "so" has a purpose! i didn't DS> just say it .... LOL I know it had a purpose. That doesn't save you! :P Godwin's Law holds that, as a thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches one. Tradition states that when it happens, that thread is over, and whoever mention Nazis has automatically lost the argument. http://www.godwinslaw.com/ ~Becc. :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:50:14 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[4]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... - --- Becc wrote: > Godwin's Law holds that, as a thread grows longer, > the probability of > someone mentioning Hitler approaches one. Tradition > states that when > it happens, that thread is over, and whoever mention > Nazis has > automatically lost the argument. fuck! and hitler was actually relevant! FUCK! FUCK! l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 03:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: [oztori] Putting the Damage On (OT- On Topic) i dunno how much of this is common knowledge (prolly all of it for nayth, lol) but i thought i'd post it anyway. it's from a BT website i'm working on ATM (a complete discog). i spoke to BT about it last night, and found out a couple of juicy tidbits (he hired a marching band!). i love the mix too. ~~~~~~~~~~~ Tori Amos - Putting the Damage On Taken from Tori Amos' third solo release - Boys For Pele - Putting the Damage On was initially planned for a single release, as is attested to by various media sources and a sticker on the cover of initial printings of the album. BT, fresh from Tori collaborations on Blue Skies and Talula, worked on a Drum and bass remix ("I hired a marching band to do D and B beatz"). Atlantic Records was planning an album of Tori Amos remixes at the time, and although the album was scrapped at a later date, many remixes were completed, most of which surfaced on singles. Not BT's, though: Atlantic apparently went ahead with preparing In the Springtime of His Voodoo for a release instead, abandoning Putting the Damage On. BT's track ended up not being released at all. A tantalising glimpse of BT's vision for the track can be found on the Twighlight Mix of Putting the Damage On, which contains his drum arrangements. Although not produced by him (he gave the drum work over to Mark/Marcel), the version is simply stunning, and the Firewater-esque percussion is gorgeous. The track can be found on two promo CDs for RAINN (the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network), which Tori co-founded. Unreleased: Putting The Damage On (BT Drum & Bass Mix) Twighlight Mix: "Remixed by mark Hawley and Marcel van Limbeek. Additional drums arranged by BT" Singles ~~~~~~~ The Benefit for RAINN Atlantic PRCD 6995-2 1. Me and a Gun (Live) 2. Putting the Damage On (Twighlight mix) (Calvin Klein Promo CD) Albums ~~~~~ Retrospective: The Benefit for RAINN Atlantic PRCD 6999-2 1. Cornflake Girl 2. God 3. Silent All These Years 4. Caught A Lite Sneeze 5. Crucify (Remix) 6. Putting the Damage On (Twilight Mix) 7. Precious Things 8. China 9. Me And A Gun 10.Talula (Tornado Mix) 11.Past the Mission 12.Smells Like Teen Spirit (ironically, this CD also includes BT's mix of Talula!) l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 13:18:05 -0000 From: "Rachael Chrisp" Subject: [oztori] Crucify Dan S, did you happen to out-bid me on a UK Crucify CD Single on Ebay any chance? :) isn't $20 a bit much to be paying for it, plus postage? Rachael xxxx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 15:05:05 -0000 From: "Rachael Chrisp" Subject: [oztori] irc if anyones still awake, please come into #oztori,ive finally gotten irc up and running, and id love to chat.. rachael xxx "tomorrow will bring happiness - or at least another day." -Phil Ochs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:55:55 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (with BONUS categories!!) At 01:42 9/12/2001 -0800, Dan Stapleton wrote: >> Eminem feat. Dido - Stan (a 2001 release in >> Australia at least) > >uh, WTF? you're treading on very thin ice, liking >eminem, matey. i had a huuuge debate on RDTRN about >how much he sucks, and therefore dido sucks, which i'm >tempted to bring up here. but hey, if you don't mind >supporting a homophobic mysoginist who sings about >killing his wife and then records his baby's >GOO-GAAING over the top (and also support the dumb >bitch who sees him as 'clever' and 'witty'), fine by >me. > I don't care for Eminem... but I can't see Dido bad-mouthing someone who helped propel her sales up the charts around the world. I heard that Stan song and I thought - the only talent in that song is Dido. I got to know Dido at least in early 2000 or late 99... that Roswell theme sucked me RIGHT in. I still love it. Anyone remember when Nein were promoting Roswell - they used 'Fear' by Sez Mac!?! Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 02:58:30 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polly-Jeans Are In At 01:52 9/12/2001 -0800, Nathan R wrote: >Dan Stapleton wrote: >MysogYnist. If you're going to beat them, you've got >to know how to spell them first :) Wouldn't you also need to be able to spell Sado-Masochist if you are going to beat them!?! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:06:48 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: Re[4]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... At 21:34 9/12/2001 +1000, Becc wrote: >On Sunday, 9/12/2001 at 9:28 PM, Dan Stapleton wrote: > >>> BUT, Dan, Dan, Dan.... you invoked Godwin's law >>> several times in that >>> email! Net tradition states that you have >>> automatically "lost"! lol > >DS> what is it?!??! plus, the "so" has a purpose! i didn't >DS> just say it .... > >LOL I know it had a purpose. That doesn't save you! :P > >Godwin's Law holds that, as a thread grows longer, the probability of >someone mentioning Hitler approaches one. Tradition states that when >it happens, that thread is over, and whoever mention Nazis has >automatically lost the argument. What if it is a thread on Nazism and/or Hitler!?! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 03:19:27 +1000 From: Becc Subject: Re[6]: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... On Monday, 10/12/2001 at 3:06 AM, AndrewR wrote: A> What if it is a thread on Nazism and/or Hitler!?! I don't know, but if you're trying to start an argument, you just lost it!! ~Becc. >:D - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:32:49 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: [oztori] ebay ways >Dan S, did you happen to out-bid me on a UK Crucify CD Single on Ebay any >chance? I'm thinking Jas bid on a funky set of Tori Books (bio, images + LE scorebook) before I had the chance and now I just can't be bothered entering into a bidding war. I only really want the scorebook anyways. xoxo dan ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:36:23 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polly-Jeans Are In >Wouldn't you also need to be able to spell Sado-Masochist if you are going >to beat them!?! ;o) ROFLMAO!!! On, just on puns...if you want your family to hold your wit in respect...don't come down the stairs and into the kitchen waving a glue gun saying "stick 'em up". Well, I thought it was hilarious. xoxo Dan PS - Also, don't hold up a broken "NOEL" hangy-christmas decoration which the L has fallen off and say "No L!" while waving it about. I think they were this close to stapling my lips together. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 09:07:06 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes > 2) the american audience is soooooo funny! every now > and then the video pans to some of the most ridiculous > people i've ever seen, mouthing the words out of time > and looking "deeply moved". LMAO. there's one guy > during Precious Things who is fucking hilarious! he's > swaying and fluttering his eyelashes, and mouthing the > words all wrong. LMFAO. > > > HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH , I AM ROLLING ALL OVER THE FLOOR CLUTCHING MY STOMACH IN SILENT, UNADULTERATED LAUGHTER!!! Hee hee! This is great! I have always secretly thought that those fuck-faced American people in the audience looked so stupid, but never had the guts to say it.... and now, here I stand, accepting the fact that these dickheads look so RIDICULOUS! They all do look 'deeply moved', and in one song (can't remember which), the camera pans to this stupid girl with tears running down her face... she looks like a transvestite....he he. Do you think it's all a show? Thanks for that, lil dan, you've made my morning (bearable.) Holly ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 16:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes - --- Holly Williamson wrote: > Thanks for that, lil dan, you've made my morning > (bearable.) heh, and i haven't even taken my clothes off yet. l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 10:56:45 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes > > Thanks for that, lil dan, you've made my morning > > (bearable.) > > heh, and i haven't even taken my clothes off yet. > lil Dan, does this mean I have something to look forward to this afternoon!? Oh, please don't say it if you don't mean it Hols ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 19:07:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes - --- Holly Williamson wrote: > lil Dan, does this mean I have something to look > forward to this > afternoon!? > > Oh, please don't say it if you don't mean it oh, i mean it. but i'm in canberra ;) not so keen now, are you? lol l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] my tea's gone cold... Roozi wrote: > I > don't like Eminem per se. > Most of his music `is either offensive (eg. "Kim") > or self-indulgent ("my > name is" etc). lol.. and Tori's isn't? Offensive: eg. use of "language" in Professional Widow. Self-indulgent: eg. her entire catalogue :P > "Stan" is not offensive, unlike other Eminem songs - > it deals with misogyny > but does not endorse it. It chilled me and made me > cry teh first time i > heard it and still does that. Had your tearducts checked by a doctor lately? ;) Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 21:17:20 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes Holly "as long as their are no lyrics involved, I'll be fine" Williamson wrote: > HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH , I AM ROLLING ALL OVER THE > FLOOR CLUTCHING MY > STOMACH IN SILENT, UNADULTERATED LAUGHTER!!! Hee > hee! This is great! I > have always secretly thought that those fuck-faced > American people in the > audience looked so stupid, but never had the guts to > say it.... and now, > here I stand, accepting the fact that these > dickheads look so RIDICULOUS! Yes indeed. > They all do look 'deeply moved', and in one song > (can't remember which), the > camera pans to this stupid girl with tears running > down her face... she > looks like a transvestite....he he. Do you think > it's all a show? Hehehe. Worse still is the "Bliss" video where you keep seeing this girl with long hair, and the most bleak "Oh I'm oh so depressed and serious and moody and owe my life to Tori's deeply profund muzak" look on her face.. and who also has her sleeve over her hand or something at one point. My god. People watching it must think all Tori fans are anoying, depressed, serious, moody types who look up to Tori as some kind of Goddess. (erm... I don't think that's very far from the truth, to be honest :) Nathan. . Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 15:32:01 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] here, i said, yes > Holly "as long as their are no lyrics involved, I'll > be fine" Williamson > wrote: > Do you mean "as long as THERE are no lyrics...." N'thn? Nathan "I believe myself to be a walking English Dictionary and Tori Amos Almanac but secretly this is all making up for a hidden love of pink feather boas and I try and keep it all as quiet as possible" R wrote: > Worse still is the "Bliss" video where you keep seeing > this girl with long hair, and the most bleak "Oh I'm > oh so depressed and serious and moody and owe my life > to Tori's deeply profund muzak" look on her face.. and > who also has her sleeve over her hand or something at > one point. > > My god. > Heh heh heh heh. She's a crazy-like type of obsessive-looking person. I wonder where the Bliss video producers dug her up from... though I haven't watched the Bliss video for ages, and I think I only watched it once when I first got it. It made me real sad knowing all these lucky American bastards get to see Tori once every two years, or maybe more, and THEN THEY ALSO get to be on a film clip... so I can't fully remember what the crazy-like type of obsessive-looking girl looks like. > People watching it must think all Tori fans are > anoying, depressed, serious, moody types who look up > to Tori as some kind of Goddess. > > (erm... I don't think that's very far from the truth, > to be honest :) > .... yeah. At least I wasn't the first to say it. Hols. ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #287 ****************************