From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #280 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Tuesday, December 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 280 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] Somewhere/Something... WTF is the difference [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] Sort of probably on topic in a general non-tori sense. [Andr] Re: [oztori] So if this post wastes all your tiiiime... this time.... [An] [oztori] OT: holiday telly ["Becc" ] Re[2]: [oztori] Sort of probably on topic in a general non-tori sense. [Z] Re: [oztori] Pumpkin Magic [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] rock lobster [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] Pumpkin Magic [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] OT: holiday telly [=?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= ] [oztori] OT - PERTH FOLKS - anyone feel like doing me a favour ["Jasmina] [oztori] Mr. Nayth ["Darwin Clan" ] [oztori] OT: Secret Life of Us ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] Mr. Nayth [Nathan R ] [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) [Daniel G ] Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) [Daniel G ] Re: [oztori] The Pollys Are In Denial [AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Somewhere/Something... WTF is the difference Erm, of course I meant "Something" and not 'Somewhere' in that last e-mail. Whoops. Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:18:55 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Pumpkin Magic At 08:08 3/12/2001 +1100, Daniel G wrote: >>- Possum Magic (picture book) > >YOU PUT POSSUM MAGIC IN!!!!!! I love you!!!! That was my first picture book >ever, and I still think its tops. Oh, she'll love it!!!! OMG! I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! This is one of THE best australian kids/picture books ever. I remember it back in prep - 1984 (Li'l Dan woulda been -3! aka molecules spread across the planet and/or the cosmos) I remember the line "And in her heart of hearts, she knew this" I was taken with that line. Oh and the pictures - and the pumpkin scones mentioned! and the lamingtons! LOVE IT! Andrew P.S. Speaking of Pumpkins - when does their best-of cd come out? Andrew np: Marble Halls - Enya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:23:20 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Sort of probably on topic in a general non-tori sense. At 08:16 3/12/2001 +1100, Daniel G wrote: >Found this, thought it was amusing - and true!!! >I think we've hit stage 6b. Congratulations everyone!!! >*hugs* >xoxo >Dan ;p > >The Natural Life Cycle of Mailing Lists >Kat Nagel - KatNagel@eznet.net > > >6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an >'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are >rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; >all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a >few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously >congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). >OR NO! NO! This is definately not *us* and I'm GLAD! >6b. Maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants >stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few weeks; many >people wear out their second or third 'delete' key, but the list lives >contentedly ever after). YEAH! This is more like it! Woohoo - we ROCK! ;o) np: Afer Ventus - Enya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 18:31:51 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] So if this post wastes all your tiiiime... this time.... At 14:56 3/12/2001 +1000, Holly Williamson wrote: > Oh My God, I can't believe Roozi un-subscribed from this list! A >big, fat WHAT THE? should be asked right here! Hello? > Please no gratuatis Rove McManus references here please, Hol! ;o) > I got the Guitarone 'Women who Rock' magazine on the weekend >(fucking $13.75 for a two-page article on Toz, a half-page article on Fiona >Apple and a two-page on PJ Harvey....seems hardly worth it, but what can u >do?) Stand there and read it in the news-agents (or where ever you purchased it from) ;o) np: Smaointe - Enya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:42:17 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: [oztori] OT: holiday telly So I'm bored shitless, and getting tired of the view from my computer seat. Whilst watching 'Jerry Springer' earlier (oh I had to watch *something* whilst eating lunch! Lay off.) I saw an ad for that show 'The Secret Life of Us', which is apparently starting re-runs tonight. Hmm. I've got sweet fuck-all to do with my time, and my mother told me how good this show is and that I should tune in.... but I'm sure she just wants to get me back into watching TV again, not to mention her dubious taste (we're talking here about a woman who's been watching 'Days of Our Lives' for twenty years). So has anyone watched it? Can you tell me if it's worth the effort or, if not, if Claudia Karvan's cute enough to warrant watching it anyway? *grin* ~Becc, looking for any ol' excuse to put off redesigning her website... - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 18:52:20 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] Sort of probably on topic in a general non-tori sense. Monday, December 03, 2001, 6:23:20 PM, you wrote: >>6a. Smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks an >>'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post; newbies are >>rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a few minor issues; >>all interesting discussions happen by private email and are limited to a >>few participants; the purists spend lots of time self-righteously >>congratulating each other on keeping off-topic threads off the list). >>OR A> NO! NO! This is definately not *us* and I'm GLAD! unfortunately, this *was* us about a year, year and a half after the list started. that list .. it's scarily accurate, though not neccessarily in the right order. :) zac ================================================== zac ariel - web junkie m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@comcen.com.au w: www.level21.net ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] Pumpkin Magic AndrewR wrote: > At 08:08 3/12/2001 +1100, Daniel G wrote: > >>- Possum Magic (picture book) > > > >YOU PUT POSSUM MAGIC IN!!!!!! I love you!!!! That > was my first picture book > >ever, and I still think its tops. Oh, she'll love > it!!!! > > OMG! I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!! This is one of THE best > australian kids/picture > books ever. I remember it back in prep - 1984 (Li'l > Dan woulda been -3! aka > molecules spread across the planet and/or the > cosmos) I remember the line > "And in her heart of hearts, she knew this" I was > taken with that line. Oh > and the pictures - and the pumpkin scones mentioned! > and the lamingtons! > LOVE IT! I hated that book. I thought it was boring. Would kept getting read to us in library... zzzzzzzzzz. I hated Animalia too. But Mr. Men books rocked! > P.S. Speaking of Pumpkins - when does their best-of > cd come out? It's already out duh! Nathan. np - nothing. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 00:54:09 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] rock lobster Holly Williamson wrote: > Hols > Cool, Calm, Collected. I read 'Cool, Clam, Collected'. Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2001 19:46:09 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Pumpkin Magic At 00:52 3/12/2001 -0800, Nathansolo wrote: >AndrewR wrote: >> P.S. Speaking of Pumpkins - when does their best-of >> cd come out? > >It's already out duh! > Fuck! duh ya-self! :P ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:07:05 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: holiday telly --- Becc wrote: > Whilst watching 'Jerry Springer' earlier (oh I had > to watch *something* > whilst eating lunch! Lay off.) No way, I love this show. Seriously it is the single most funniest shit I have ever seen. I saw a rather unattractive man leave his attractive girlfriend for a Gay Mexican Dwarf. I kid you not. Don't be fooled - they are all actors that improvise. Fabulous stuff really. > saw an ad for that > show 'The Secret Life of > Us', which is apparently starting re-runs tonight. > Hmm. Fucking Channel 10. I now hate the very sight of Seinfeld. My eye twitches. Annoying habit (of Channel 10's) I'm afraid but at least I get a Simpsons fix every time I turn on the tele. > So has anyone watched it? Can you > tell me if it's worth the > effort or, if not, if Claudia Karvan's cute enough > to warrant watching it > anyway? *grin* I saw the first couple and they are pretty good. Definately worth watching. After those I stopped watching for a couple of months. One night at a friends house, we had tSLoU (lol) on in the background and there were these two guys totally going for it. It is my gay duty to tune in now! Lot's of nudity Becc, you'll love it! Plenty of tits and arse! (apalled I used that phrase but oh well - giggles) Buffy is on tele again! They are starting off with Season 3. 10.30 Channel 7. Anyways - bye bye ;) Bevan http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - - Get organised for Christmas early this year! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 20:22:00 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: holiday telly Bevan wrote: > No way, I love this show. Seriously it is the single > most funniest shit I have ever seen. I saw a rather > unattractive man leave his attractive girlfriend for a > Gay Mexican Dwarf. I kid you not. Don't be fooled - > they are all actors that improvise. Fabulous stuff > really. What? You mean her mother's girlfriend wasn't *really* 17? I feel so ripped off!! > One night at a > friends house, we had tSLoU (lol) on in the background > and there were these two guys totally going for it. Oh. Um. Exciting... *tries to look enthused* :-P > Lot's of nudity Becc, you'll love it! lmao Oh, well, I guess that settles it. ;-) ~Becc, disappearing downstairs to make some dinner to watch the afore-mentioned tits and arse by... - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:11:02 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: [oztori] OT - PERTH FOLKS - anyone feel like doing me a favour Hiya, any one in perth going to the Prymal festival??? which is on sunday the 9th, ie, sunday coming up now If you are please reply to me, since I would love if you can do me a favour Thankyou jas ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:59:33 +1100 From: "Darwin Clan" Subject: [oztori] Mr. Nayth Mr Nayth revealed he is/was a big fan of Mr Men books. In actual fact, around 7 out of every 10 Mr Men books I sold as a bookshop manager were to adults - not children - as presents for their happy/snow/messy/late/giggle friend! Secret Life Of Us ROCKS!!! It is such a good show, and it's such an accurate depiction of what could be an ordinary bunch of people's lives! Sure, being 'drama' television, a lot of stuff happens to these people, but they're not entirely impossible situations. And these characters are dealing with somewhat taboo issues too. *gives it the two thumbs up* As for the Australian children's titles being given to Tori in the "Tori Pack" - what a great idea. Whoever thought of that is very clever. Now Tori will read this book to wee Tash, and where will Tash want to go on summer vacations? Hmmm.... we can only dream : - ) ~Andrew~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 23:10:08 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: [oztori] OT: Secret Life of Us Andrew wrote: > Secret Life Of Us ROCKS!!! It is such a good show, and it's such an accurate > depiction of what could be an ordinary bunch of people's lives! Jeez, lucky I didn't wait around to hear comments before giving it a chance -- it ended half an hour ago! :-P But, having parked it in front of the tele for two hours to have a look, I'm suitably impressed. I shouldn't have doubted it so much. It's Australian after all, and we all know Australia has brought us such gems as 'Pacific Drive', 'Prisoner', 'All Saints'.... Ahh, you think I'm kidding, but I'm not. lol Generally TV is just crap, as far as I'm concerned, but nigh on 100% of the hour or two that I do watch every week (ignoring today's little disappearance down the dark alley that is 'Jerry Springer') is, now that I think about it, Australian. So, now my only problem is that I'm going to have to make room in my life for an extra hour in front of the idiot box each week. > Sure, being > 'drama' television, a lot of stuff happens to these people, but they're not > entirely impossible situations. And these characters are dealing with > somewhat taboo issues too. *gives it the two thumbs up* Well, it looks good so far anyway. Nothing very taboo happened tonight, but it was only the first episode, after all. I'll just have to hang in there and see. ~Becc, waiting for the enormous cockroach to vacate her pantry so she can go grab the Mint Patties... :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 13:38:09 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] Mr. Nayth Andy D wrote: > Mr Nayth revealed he is/was a big fan of Mr Men > books. In actual fact, > around 7 out of every 10 Mr Men books I sold as a > bookshop manager were to > adults - not children - as presents for their > happy/snow/messy/late/giggle > friend! Mr. Men books were my first collecting obsession.. I had to get the entire set.. Then Little Miss.. then Munch Bunch.. then Grug.. then Garfield. They don't make books like that anymore. I don't have the attention span to read 'adult books' (ie, novels). Gimme a book with illustrations anyday. > As for the Australian children's titles being given > to Tori in the "Tori > Pack" - what a great idea. Whoever thought of that > is very clever. lil dan no doubt. He is a genius in the making. Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 08:42:32 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) Its time - my top 5 bits and pieces from the past year. Conditions of 'entry' must be a "2001" date after the (C) on the back of the CD (not necessarily the (P)). ALBUMS: WINNER: Bjork - Vespertine. Nothing else was in the running, really. RUNNERS UP: Neil Finn - One Nil Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue Tori Amos - Strange Little Girls Heather Nova - South SINGLES/EPs: WINNER: Tanya Donelly - Sleepwalker Its gorgeously beautiful...new direction, new sound, pretty and shiny...and still irrevocably Tanya. RUNNERS UP: Betchadupa - The 3D EP Natalie Imbruglia - That Day George - Special Ones Something For Kate - Three Dimensions SONG OF THE YEAR A tie between Bjork - Unison and Kristin Hersh - Candyland (with honorable mention to Neil Finn for The Climber) other bits... TOP 5 LIVE SHOWS OF THE YEAR PJ Harvey @ Enmore Theatre Dido @ Enmore Theatre Inga & Fourplay @ The Basement Neil Finn @ The Metro Nelly Furtado @ The Metro TOP 5 'OLD' NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE YEAR (IE - older bands I only got into this year) Throwing Muses Cocteau Twins Laurie Anderson Coldplay Dead Can Dance and thats me until next year! xoxo Dan ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:39:58 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) Daniel G wrote: > Its time - my top 5 bits and pieces from the past > year. > Conditions of 'entry' must be a "2001" date after > the (C) on the back of > the CD (not necessarily the (P)). That's silly.. b/c then old albums re-issued with new tracks would be eligible since they are (C) 2001 compilations. I think using the publishing date is a more accurate method myself. OK, here's mine: > ALBUMS: > WINNER: Erm... the only 2001 albums I bought this year were: 1) Vespertine - Bjork 2) StrangeLittleGirls - Tori Amos 3) Short-Staffed at the Gene Pool - Ruby Others albums I have toyed with.. and perhaps might request for Xmas rather than fork out the $ myself for ;) : - -Exciter - Depeche Mode - -Rotten Apples: Best of - Smashing Pumpkins > SINGLES/EPs: The only singles I got this year were: 1) I Turn To You - Melanie C (lol.. 'though it came out last year, and was actually *given* to my by someone) 2) Good Fortune (Aus CD digipak thang) - PJ Harvey 3) Carnival - Natalie Merchant (from '95 though - sent to me by none other than God [Dan G] himself) 4) The Ballad of Tom Jones - Space featuring Cerys Mathews (from '98 - again given by Dan G) > SONG OF THE YEAR Buggered if I know... *looks through songs he has taped off Rage this year* Good 'unz include: Kryptonite - 3 Doors Down (I like this OK?) Grace - Ruby Like a Feather - Nikka Costa Dream On - Depeche Mode I Feel Loved - Depeche Mode Androgyny - Garbage (annoyingly catchy verses) Always - Bent Night and Fog - Mercury Rev Smooth Criminal - Alien Ant Farm (OK so way overplayed now) Pagan Poetry - Bjork Wouldn't say one stood out as my 'song of the year' though. Of Tori's.. I think the SLG song is a tad mediokre.. OK but nothing spesh.. 'Real Men' was my fave off the album. Though I love the Bowie cover 'After All' b-side too. > TOP 5 LIVE SHOWS OF THE YEAR Haven't been to a live show (excluding dodgy pub bands playing :P) since Tori... 7 years and 2 days ago. > TOP 5 'OLD' NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE YEAR (IE - older > bands I only got into > this year) Erm... Bought 'old' albums by Portishead & Ruby. That's it. One category you left out: BEST MUZAK VIDEO OF THE YEAR: Erm... none come to mind. What a mediocre year! Pah! Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 15:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) - Part II Damn I forgot to mention something in that poll: > TOP 5 'OLD' NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE YEAR (IE - older > bands I only got into > this year) I forgot to mention my newly-found love for Alice Cooper and Samantha Fox this year :P (oh what I wouldn't kill for a duet) Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2001 12:09:01 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) > ALBUMS: > WINNER: For me it is StrangeLittleGirls. > > RUNNERS UP: Bjork - Vespertine (Just can't listen to it the whole way through anymore :( > SINGLES/EPs: > > WINNER: Hidden Place - Just because of Verandi > SONG OF THE YEAR Rattlesnakes Unison > TOP 5 'OLD' NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE YEAR (IE - older The Golden Palominos PJ Harvey Vangelis Gerling Heaps more .. too many ;) Over and out .. http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - - Get organised for Christmas early this year! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:18:27 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: holiday telly-tubbies At 21:07 3/12/2001 +1100, Bevan Burkin wrote: > --- Becc wrote: > >> Whilst watching 'Jerry Springer' earlier (oh I had >> to watch *something* >> whilst eating lunch! Lay off.) > >No way, I love this show. Seriously it is the single >most funniest shit I have ever seen. I saw a rather >unattractive man leave his attractive girlfriend for a >Gay Mexican Dwarf. I kid you not. Don't be fooled - >they are all actors that improvise. Fabulous stuff >really. I reckon some of them are actors... but I reckon 45% of them ARE to coin an o-ssy phrase... "Fair Dinkum!" The real trailer-trash ones are real - I reckon. > >> saw an ad for that >> show 'The Secret Life of >> Us', which is apparently starting re-runs tonight. >> Hmm. > >Fucking Channel 10. I now hate the very sight of >Seinfeld. My eye twitches. Annoying habit (of >Channel 10's) I'm afraid but at least I get a Simpsons >fix every time I turn on the tele. > Ahhhhh, I can still watch Seinfeld - but not as much as useful - after TV1 on Foxtel's entire Seinfeld marathon - I don't think I can watch many more for a while. It was good in a way though cause having each episode back to back - you could understand a few more jokes - and some of the continuing characters... like Jerry and Elaine's attempt to continually get "Beth" and "Steve??" - that married couple - also the one where Elaine ends up stopping the couple from adopting a baby. Favourite Seinfeld character? (another quiz question to ad to the list) >Buffy is on tele again! They are starting off with >Season 3. 10.30 Channel 7. > They could repeat this ad infinitum! I mean - I must have seen last night's episode about 4 times already - it's still good... "She's not playing with a full pack of cards Giles... she's got half a pack... less! She got a 3!" LOL! [paraphrased] >Anyways - bye bye ;) Time for Tubby bye bye! Time for Tubby bye-bye! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:23:31 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Mr. Nayth At 13:38 3/12/2001 -0800, Nathan R wrote: >Andy D wrote: > >> Mr Nayth revealed he is/was a big fan of Mr Men >> books. In actual fact, >> around 7 out of every 10 Mr Men books I sold as a >> bookshop manager were to >> adults - not children - as presents for their >> happy/snow/messy/late/giggle >> friend! > >Mr. Men books were my first collecting obsession.. I >had to get the entire set.. Then Little Miss.. then >Munch Bunch.. then Grug.. then Garfield. > >They don't make books like that anymore. They don't do they! OMG! Are we becoming nostalgic!?! Well I did turn 23 yesterday!! These weren't exactly young-kid stuff - but I *LOVED* those Obsbourne books - - the ones had different topics like 'Space' or 'Space flight' or 'Future Travel' and it'd have all these funky illustrations of what they thought we'd be driving/flying etc. some of them did have real info. I wish I could browse through them again! *ahhhh*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 11:27:10 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) At 08:42 4/12/2001 +1100, Daniel G wrote: >Its time - my top 5 bits and pieces from the past year. >Conditions of 'entry' must be a "2001" date after the (C) on the back of >the CD (not necessarily the (P)). > >ALBUMS: >WINNER: >Bjork - Vespertine. >Nothing else was in the running, really. > >RUNNERS UP: >Neil Finn - One Nil >Kristin Hersh - Sunny Border Blue >Tori Amos - Strange Little Girls >Heather Nova - South > FUCK!?!?!?! When did this come out!?!?! ANOTHER fucking 2001 release I have to get - is EVERYONE releasing something this year... I mean the fucking Pumpkins released shit - and they are no more? Were there any Jeff Buckley releases this year!?! >WINNER: >Tanya Donelly - Sleepwalker >Its gorgeously beautiful...new direction, new sound, pretty and shiny...and >still irrevocably Tanya. > So is there an album coming!?! >PJ Harvey @ Enmore Theatre no separate brisvegas show >Dido @ Enmore Theatre No brisbane show >Inga & Fourplay @ The Basement >Neil Finn @ The Metro missed - bugger! >Nelly Furtado @ The Metro No brisbane show FUCK Brisvegans, we have to REMEDY this pathetic live music situation. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 14:33:58 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] And so I remember... OK some Tori/Tolkien related stuff, I've been meaning to post to the list for nigh on a year!! 1) Firstly - this is only 6 month old news... remember how we thought that Rosie Cotton (Sam Gamgee's wife in the Lord of the Rings) was going to be played by Sarah McCleod - whats-her-name-lead-singer-of-the-superjesus!?! Well - she is NOT playing Rosie Cotton - the Sarah McCleod is an New Zealand actress - not the rock chick. 2) I've been ALWAYS meaning to quote to you the definition of "Lorien" from Robert Foster's The Complete Guide to Middle-Earth, since that is "Li'l Tashy's" middle name... it is quite a beautiful description and is a lovely name to give a baby! there are 3 "Lorien"s in Middle Earth (or Arda - the entire Tolkien world) here 'tis: (the o has an acute accent on it - can't do that on smoe.org) the [bracketed] entries are my additions to explain some stuff. "Lorien" (Quenya [a high elven language]: 'dream-land') The more common name of Irmo, one of the Lords of the Valar. Lorien is one of the Feanturi, brother of Mandos and Nienna; his spouse is Este. He is the master of visions and dreams, and with Este he provides rest and recovery to the Valar and the Eldar [the high elves]. His dwelling is in the gardens of Lorien, whence his name. "Lorien" The dwelling of Irmo and Este in Valinor, the place of repose for the Valar and Eldar. The gardens of Lorien are the most beautiful in Arda, and the waters of its fountains refresh the inhabitants of Valinor. Lorien contains lakes, many flowers, and silver willows; it is a place of soft beauty, and its dominant colour seems to be silver. The place above is not the same as the place below "Lorien" (Sindarin [a grey-elven language]: 'from Silvan [woodland or wood-elves or East-elves]' Elven relm west of Anduin, at the meeting of [the river] Celebrant and [the river] Anduin, ruled by Celeborn and Galadriel [will be played by Cate Blanchette]. The mellyrn woods of Lorien were protected from Sauron [the bad evil dark-lord guy] by the power of Galadriel, and here alone in Middle-earth was the true beauty and timelessness of Eldamar preserved. Lorien was made and founded in the Second Age by Galadrield on the model of Doriath [a hidden Elven realm from the 1st age]. Although most of its people were Silvan Elves, Sindarin was spoken in Lorien. In the Second and Thrid Ages, Lorien aided Elrond [will be played by Hugo Weaving] at need, especially in the Third Age 1409, but otherwise the land Lorien remained isolated from the outside world. In Third Age 1981, as a result of the appearance of the Balrog [big-bad evil creature] in Khazad-dum [Moria], many of the Elves of Lorien fled south, among them Amroth and Nimrodel [who came to a tragic end Amroth threw himself into the sea and drowned while trying to reach his love Nimrodel who he thought was lost]. During the Quest of Mount Doom [the events in that are a part of the book "The Lord of the Rings"] the Companions of the Ring rested in Lorien for a month; this was the first time a Dwarf had entered Lorien for many years. In the War of the Ring, Lorien was assulted three times from Dol Guldur [nasty Sauron's ex-hang-out], but the attackers were defeated; after the downfall of Sauron the forces of Lorien, led by Celeborn, took Dol Guldur and Galadriel destroyed its pits. With the passing of Galadriel over [the] Sea at the end of the Third Age and Celeborn's removal to East Lorien, Lorien was largely deserted. The captial and chief city of Lorien was Caras Galadon. The Elves of Lorien were known as the Galadrim. The original name of Lorien was Laurelindorinan, which was later changed to Lothlorien. Also called the Golden Wood and the Hidden Land in Westron, and Dwimodene by the Rohirrim. - -- Nice eh? 'specially the first two entries. Master of Visions and Dreams... hellloooooo Tori! ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 16:06:39 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) >FUCK!?!?!?! When did this come out!?!?! ANOTHER fucking 2001 release I have >to get - is EVERYONE releasing something this year... I mean the fucking >Pumpkins released shit - and they are no more? Were there any Jeff Buckley >releases this year!?! What would "This" be? Heather's album (released...er...late October?)? Neil's (released i think February or March)? And yes, Jeff has a live album out. > >WINNER: > >Tanya Donelly - Sleepwalker > >Its gorgeously beautiful...new direction, new sound, pretty and shiny...and > >still irrevocably Tanya. > > > >So is there an album coming!?! I've been told February next year, called "Beautysleep". Tracklisting on 4AD website - www.4ad.com. Although the way 4AD have been releasing stuff recently, I wouldn't start holding breath until April (although since the EP is out and the album has actually been finished since August, the February date should hold). Also, for those interested, probably a new Breeders LP next year too! > >Inga & Fourplay @ The Basement > >Neil Finn @ The Metro > >missed - bugger! yes. you did. it was the best. lisa was there *grin* yay lisa (who has tracks on the "7 worlds" live DVDs and CDs hurrah!) i'm done. wheee! xoxo dan ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:26:18 +1000 From: "Double Serpent" Subject: [oztori] OT - On Tangents Mon, 03 Dec 2001 17:56:18 +1000 From: AndrewR >Those really bad awards that used to be held in that amphitheatre at > >dreamworld on the Gold Coast? That one - and I'm sure I mentioned > this >not too long ago as someone helped me jog my memory of that > artist >they got out one year - that Francis Dunnery was on? That same > >amphitheatre they used in the Big Brother eviction evenings... I'm > >glad they seemed to have done it up. Try performing with 30 people on the that poor excuse of a stage!! Bloody shocking! The accustics are dreadfull, though not as bad as Festy Hall :) Truth's a bitch aint it! I had to do a dance performance for the youth festival at at the ampitheatre some years ago. Anything would be an improvement on what it was. My imput for the day, however useless. ~Bindy _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 15:27:05 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] The Pollys Are In Denial At 16:06 4/12/2001 +1100, you wrote: >>FUCK!?!?!?! When did this come out!?!?! ANOTHER fucking 2001 release I have >>to get - is EVERYONE releasing something this year... I mean the fucking >>Pumpkins released shit - and they are no more? Were there any Jeff Buckley >>releases this year!?! > >What would "This" be? Heather's album (released...er...late October?)? >Neil's (released i think February or March)? >And yes, Jeff has a live album out. > Yeah, Ms. Nova's newy... and I've already got Neil's of course - I voted for it in the JJJ top 10 2001 albums. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 21:42:00 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] How come, out of all the CD's in the world.. only one can make me complete Bevan Burkin wrote: > Bjork - Vespertine (Just can't listen to it the > whole > way through anymore :( I've only listened to Vespertine all the way through twice.. *self-slaps* Naughty Nath. It's very "nice".. I dunno.. I just haven't "found the time with my busy schedule" or something yet :P > > SINGLES/EPs: > > > > WINNER: > Hidden Place - Just because of Verandi Hehehe.. Oops.. I forgot that I bought this single. I've listened to it once. I think I tend to buy these things out of more a neurotic need for 'completeness' rather than because I actually want to listen to them ;) Nathan. . Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 22:43:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] The Polls Are In (its that time of year) - --- AndrewR wrote: > Were > there any Jeff Buckley > releases this year!?! yeah, there were, lol. as per usual. l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 17:38:19 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] How come/cum, out of all the VD's in the world.. only one can make me completely... itchy At 21:42 3/12/2001 -0800, Nathan R wrote: >Bevan Burkin wrote: > >> Bjork - Vespertine (Just can't listen to it the >> whole >> way through anymore :( > >I've only listened to Vespertine all the way through >twice.. *self-slaps* Naughty Nath. > I have it on NOW! - It's been playing for the last few days... and yes all the way through - the last 3 tracks are SUBLIME! >It's very "nice".. I dunno.. I just haven't "found the >time with my busy schedule" or something yet :P >> Hidden Place - Just because of Verandi > >Hehehe.. Oops.. I forgot that I bought this single. >I've listened to it once. Of all of my singles, I think this single maybe THE most rotated/played single EVER... I just kept playing it and playing it and playing it - and when I thought I was tired of it after Verandi - Hidden Place came on then Generous Palmstroke - which really grew on me - it might actually be the best track on the single! It's so... metallic! it's fabugasmic! I mainly had it in my car! Andrew ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #280 ****************************