From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #272 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Tuesday, November 27 2001 Volume 01 : Number 272 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] YKTR [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] Y Did Naythan Just Throw A Brick At Holly's Head? [Nathan R ] [oztori] Kasey Chambers Interview [Dan Stapleton ] [oztori] my op on YKTR ["Jasmina J" ] RE: [oztori] Y Kant Tori re-release this album? ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] oztori website [Zac Ariel ] [oztori] A little bit of fun [toriobsessed@hushmail.com] Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun ["Becc" ] [oztori] Birkenstocks ["Rachael Chrisp" ] Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun ["riot poofter" ] Re: [oztori] YKTR ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] oztori website ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun ["li" ] [oztori] dan doesn't like lil' dans metaphors [Daniel G ] Re: [oztori] YKTR [=?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= ] [oztori] SLG single ["Hill, Renee" ] RE: [oztori] Y Did Naythan Just Throw A Brick At Holly's Head? [Holly Wil] [oztori] Hedwig and Jane ["nina riddel" ] Re: [oztori] YKTR ["Becc" ] [oztori] Save Festival Hall ["nina riddel" ] [oztori] dan doesn't like lil' dans metaphors, but roozi does :P ["riot p] Re: [oztori] Hedwig and Jane ["riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR Bevan Burkin wrote: > The Big Picture > Well, well, well. The video was hilarious. Not my > fave. It's utter crap really. Rubbish! It pisses over Sister Named Desire, Agent Orange, 99% of the Boys for Pele b-sides, 1000 Oceans and their ilk. > Fire On The Side > Oh, wow! Bonnie Tyler eat your heart out. BABY IT > BURNS!! She has *got* to adapt this and do it > again. > I really got into this song. For all the reasons > every year or so I listen to Total Eclipse of the > Heart on endless loops. Fire on the Side rulez. > Fayth > Smayth. Didn't like it. Understand Nayth now. Ho ho ho. > Etienne Trilogy > Pretty cool! The bagpipes though? Yuck, they sound > so unprofessionally mixed in! Maybe I'm a witch ... > hehehe *throws you in the pool to find out* > Cool On Your Island > Definately my favourite. Something about it ... > probably because I love it the way she is doing it > these days. I've been belting it out (and Tori and > I > sound much better together on YKTR!) Cool On Your Island on a 'Cool On Your Island/Hey Jupiter' medley on the harmonium mp3 I have from the Dew Drop Inn tour is *amazing*. Although it's only the first verse and chorus. Better even than the version on the Strange Little Tour. > Pity she's all talking about love and > boys the whole time. Not a whole lot different to Boys For Pele then really is it? Nathan. . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 00:23:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] Y Did Naythan Just Throw A Brick At Holly's Head? Holly Williamson wrote: > Yep, I like that! Liberal feminist 80s anthem! > That's what The Big > Picture is! 'Gotta get gotta get much faster > than...... the > reeeeeeeeeaaast........ fame is only rented, no-one > really owns the > merchandiiiiiise'. OH...MY...*GOD*. Holly, you claim to be a Tori obsessive.... so... HOW on EARTH do you mis-quote that lyric as "FAME is only rented?" It's "*BABE IT'S* only rented, no-one really owns the merchandise". *counts to 10 under breath, but only gets to 9 before bursting the swollen vessel in his currently bloodshot-and-sleep-deprived-right-eye* *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* You're not better than those supposed Dent obsessives who can't even quote simple lyrics in Tori's most common songs correctly. *crosses you off his XXX-mas list* Nathan. . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 01:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: [oztori] Kasey Chambers Interview fuck the backlash, i'm posting this! :P l'il dan ~~~~~~~~~~~ Universally lauded by critics and adored by legions of fans, Kasey Chambers  ARIA award winner and alternative country extraordinaire  just wants to keep things under control. "The fact that things are going a lot better than I thought they would is making me realise that Ive gotta pull my head in," she says stoically; measured yet upbeat on a hideously early interview call. "I have to remember where the important things are. I never want to get to the stage where music takes over everything. I know as well as anybody that its all gonna go away one day. I want to have a life to fall back on after that. Ill play music forever, but the career thing? That goes away for everybody." Perhaps the positive reception of Chambers new album has her feeling the heat. Both she and her critics recognise a definite step forward in the new work, Barricades and Brickwalls. "Theres almost four years in between the two albums, and as far as the actual song writing goes some of the Captain songs were written in the ten years prior to its release. Put over ten years between song writing and it really changes." Bringing depth to the current release is a veritable whos-who of alternative and country musicians. "Lucinda Williams, Matthew Ryan, The Living End, Paul Kelly and Buddy Miller  theyre people Ive looked up to for a long time," she says, "and theyre heroes of mine, so to get to work with them on the album is a huge thrill for me. Ive always wanted to work with Lucinda my whole life and now Im in a position where I was able to ask her, which is pretty amazing." The new long player flows like bubbles form a lava lamp: its not so much the work of a brash young woman, but of a deeply wise one who has sieved the past and purposely retained only the lumps, combining them with a newfound elegance and maturity. The Captain still has its place, however. "Barricades is obviously my baby at the moment," she says: "Im a lot more excited about that and I wanna play the new songs live and everything but I really think theres something special about The Captain: something really personal that Ill probably never get in any other album that I make." An upbringing in a highly musical family  who have formed several bands, past and present, with Chambers  was a critical influence. "When we lived on the Nullarbor in the outback we didnt have any TV or radio," she muses. "There wasnt really much entertainment, so my dad sitting and playing songs to us around the campfire was a really important part of my life. Ive never known a band without my family in it. To be honest, I think Id probably be fairly lost without them." DAN STAPLETON ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:45:13 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR > > Pity she's all talking about love and > > boys the whole time. > >Not a whole lot different to Boys For Pele then really >is it? >Nathan. pay *attention* boy, i already said that! Roozi np: bjork - alarm call "i'm no fucking buddhist, this is enlightenment" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 20:44:12 +1100 From: "Jasmina J" Subject: [oztori] my op on YKTR Since the talk of YKTR, last night i got it out and put it on repeat ( i always put something on repeat through the night) when first heard YKTR (thanks DanH :)) i thought it was pretty crappy, total 80s wannabe crap, but now I really like this album, it is awesome!!! The Big Picture - I think is annoying and close ot being the most irritating track on it *ducks for cover* Cool On Your Island - who couldnt love this? Fayth - i like it but not all of it, i like the start of it, and the end, and does anyone else think that towards the end when she sings "with a little more fayth" it sounds like madonna - can't think which madonna, but everytime i hear it i think madonna, anyone know what i'm talking about Fire On The Side - who couldnt love this tune??? Pirates - i like the chorus Floating City - ummm...this is just crap, imho, skip past it :) but if tori was to do it solo on Bosey it could be good Heart Attack At 23 - i like the start and the chorus and the music On The Boundary - this one is my fave, i just love it, not too sure why its my fave but i just like this one the best You Go To My Head - I love the backing vocals in this track, who does do the backing, btw???? anyone? Etienne Trilogy - why would you hate that too? It just ends the album beautifully. jas ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:37:45 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: RE: [oztori] Y Kant Tori re-release this album? Well, I'm trying to think of the words that made me think it's about >oppression.... maybe 'do your governments have secrets that they >disown....' >I get the impression that she wants to be taken away from all this garbage >and misery to a 'floating city'. yeha i agree with that interp. didn't mean to imply i didn't get what you meant, i just meant i had left that track outta my YKTR run down... > Boys boys boys... I'm lookin' for a good time! Boys boys boys get >ready for my love! Is that the song? yep, complete with the video where her bikini top kept slkipping off to reveal her breasts...my dad wouldn't let me tape over the top 50 of 1988 for about 5 years :) > > yep. it pisses on SLG for sure!! > > > Hey, I agree!!!! Good one! thank god someone agrees (i suspect a few ppl do though)... i rediscobvred yktr at the same time i got slg, so teh disparity was really obvious to me! >(Except Nathan R, maybe. He just seems a very >non-understanding person.) unless you're kid with a speech impediment hehe > You're right, I don't. My parents do though, which is why I will >never EVER tell them how much I have spent on Tori over the years. i convinced my dad that since cds were my greatest joy in life it would be unmreasonabvle to bitch at me for buying too many. he actually agreed!! >After all that Pele talk, I have been listening and listening to it >over the past few days. Have found a renewed love for Marianne and Talula >(the original, virginal version.) give me the tornado version ANYDAY 'Balancing.... cake and bread.... say >good-bye to a.... a glitter-grrrrrrrllllllll.... * *shudder* i have to skip that part sometimes, it annoys me Rozi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:37:45 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: RE: [oztori] Y Kant Tori re-release this album? Well, I'm trying to think of the words that made me think it's about >oppression.... maybe 'do your governments have secrets that they >disown....' >I get the impression that she wants to be taken away from all this garbage >and misery to a 'floating city'. yeha i agree with that interp. didn't mean to imply i didn't get what you meant, i just meant i had left that track outta my YKTR run down... > Boys boys boys... I'm lookin' for a good time! Boys boys boys get >ready for my love! Is that the song? yep, complete with the video where her bikini top kept slkipping off to reveal her breasts...my dad wouldn't let me tape over the top 50 of 1988 for about 5 years :) > > yep. it pisses on SLG for sure!! > > > Hey, I agree!!!! Good one! thank god someone agrees (i suspect a few ppl do though)... i rediscobvred yktr at the same time i got slg, so teh disparity was really obvious to me! >(Except Nathan R, maybe. He just seems a very >non-understanding person.) unless you're kid with a speech impediment hehe > You're right, I don't. My parents do though, which is why I will >never EVER tell them how much I have spent on Tori over the years. i convinced my dad that since cds were my greatest joy in life it would be unmreasonabvle to bitch at me for buying too many. he actually agreed!! >After all that Pele talk, I have been listening and listening to it >over the past few days. Have found a renewed love for Marianne and Talula >(the original, virginal version.) give me the tornado version ANYDAY 'Balancing.... cake and bread.... say >good-bye to a.... a glitter-grrrrrrrllllllll.... * *shudder* i have to skip that part sometimes, it annoys me Rozi _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 03:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR - --- Nathan R wrote: > Rubbish! It pisses over Sister Named Desire, Agent > Orange, 99% of the Boys for Pele b-sides, 1000 > Oceans > and their ilk. look, mister, i'm getting sick of you! stop dissing the BFP b-sides!!! argh! STOP IT! STOP IT! and lay off 1000 Oceans: she played that (i like to think for me - i'm loser) as the final encore when i saw her in Charlotte, and it was incredible. absolutely stunning. > Cool On Your Island on a 'Cool On Your Island/Hey > Jupiter' medley on the harmonium mp3 I have from the > Dew Drop Inn tour is *amazing*. i have this bootleg. it's great, i agree. > Although it's only > the first verse and chorus. Better even than the > version on the Strange Little Tour. uh, NO! again, i speak from the biased position of seeing her perform the SLG version live, but it really does kick the DDI one's ass. especially when she sung it at charlotte (boy, she was so sad that night...) speaking of kewl medlies, i lurve the Little Drummer Boy/ Hey Jupiter medley she did in 1999 some time (Wallingford i think). *drool* l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:29:02 +1000 From: Zac Ariel Subject: Re: [oztori] oztori website Tuesday, November 27, 2001, 8:28:08 AM, you wrote: DG> If you would like to TAKE OVER running the website because during uni DG> semester I will be largely unable to update (as evidenced this semester). DG> Send me a spiel about what web experience you have and three external DG> references and a full resume (j/k). i have no problems taking over webmeister duties, assuming everyone is cool with me doing that. as far as references go, check my recently put-together website @ www.level21.net i really do think it would be good to move it to a faster server tho. i've got ten megs with my dialup i'm not using ... hmmm, i've even got cgi access (the stupid bastards .. *grin*). interesting. i'll get off my soapbox now. zac ================================================== zac ariel - web junkie m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@comcen.com.au p/w: zac.home.dhs.org b/w: www.level21.net ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 05:14:07 -0800 From: toriobsessed@hushmail.com Subject: [oztori] A little bit of fun Good evening lovely people, Earlier tonight I was joking with a friend about some of the crazy/stupid/messed up things people on this list say, and joked about setting up a voting poll. So that's what I did. Go vote now! http://www.pollnow.com/Qus/QusDisp.cgi?QusID=305052 hushmail.com used due to fear of retribution. Happy voting, Someone Called Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 23:41:21 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun Some anonymous chickenshit wrote: > Go vote now! > >http://www.pollnow.com/Qus/QusDisp.cgi?QusID=305052 > >hushmail.com used due to fear of retribution. Oh man, lol. Now the question is, do I be objective and vote for myself in there? Such an accomplished lurker I was, too, before the advent of non-digest mode and late night flingings back-and-forth of one-liner emails... *sighs* Of course, Nathan's still #1. *cackles evilly and votes* ~Becc :D - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 11:23:16 -0000 From: "Rachael Chrisp" Subject: [oztori] Birkenstocks > Curious WTF are birkenstocks - are they just > normal stockings!?! sounds like Bosendorfer. the original ones are basically " trendy clogs"... theyre *very* good for your feet though, the soles are specially raised so that they mould to your feet once you wear them for about 3 weeks. theyre made in germany, and "birkenstock boutiques" are starting to pop up around the place now. you'll probably see them more and more this summer, as their sandal seems to be becoming quite popular.... rachael... xxxx "tomorrow will bring happiness - or at least another day." -Phil Ochs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 02:16:56 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun >Go vote now! > >http://www.pollnow.com/Qus/QusDisp.cgi?QusID=305052 >hushmail.com used due to fear of retribution. >Happy voting, >Someone Called Dan. Wow that's mean. I don't know if i'm impressed or annoyed. Don't know why people are on this list if they don't like talking shit though...its the best bit (i mean, how good is the ball game becc posted!!). Perhaps a separate list on which only stuff of tori relevance is posted is in order? Or maybe we should just use this poll to gradually vote people off, survivor style?! Also, have to say i think hiding behind anonymity is pretty lame. I'm all for savage retribution :) Then again, we hardly need another bloody dan posting regularly. (just kidding... xxx to dan g, h & s) i guess an option is for everyone to just vote for the 'someone not listed' and take that to mean all the people who don't post except to whinge that oztori has too many emails that are too off topic... but i somehwo doubt that will happen... glad to see i'm polling well, although i guess not even my sometimes angry rants can compare with a man who posts simley faces on their own. admittedly, my calculations would indicate that this is only a disparity of 1 vote, with 6 votes total cast (when i checked dan h was on 33% and myself, zac, dan g and nayth on 17%), so maybe i can still push for a victory!! yay!! interesting that all teh boys are polling well atm. is 'shit" necessarily derogatory, though? cause if "good shit" (ie irrelevant but cool stuff) counts, i reckon becc was right in saying she should vote for herself. maybe this little rant will prove me the most annoying post-er. although i reckon i will be shamed into leaving if i "win", so if anyone actually likes me then vote for someone else who is doing well hehehehehe hmmm, the more i think about this whole thing teh less i liek it. stupid paranoia. i just don't want to become obsessed with checking the scores! will the person who created the poll agree to take it down if anough people object? oh fuck it, i guess i can just try and lighten up for once, although 'anti-popularity' contests are not nice when you've been through teh trauma of being gay at high school (*tries desperately to suck up to other queers on list in hope they will vote for a striaght person instead*) oh, and i *know* i'm ranting aimlessly, but i need a break from analysing 'the politics of black armband and anti-black armband hisstory' and 'the use and abuse of history in the wogboy'. Stupid overdue assignments! Roozi - - who *someone* (at least) doesn't like very much!! - - and who was not above voting himself, despite ideological objections (and won't say who he voted for) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 01:22:14 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun Hmmm... I presumed this was a joke. Given the way we're all proud of the amount of shit we produce!! I guess there's no way of knowing, given that the person who set it up is not known. If it's not a joke, sorry Nathan, schweetie... I don't reeeeally think you talk shit. Well, not BAD shit, anyway. *grin* ~Becc :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:25:30 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR Bevan wrote: > Pity she's all talking about love and > boys the whole time. To which Nayth'n and Roozi said something along the lines of: >Not a whole lot different to Boys For Pele then really >is it? Hit me Bevan if you disagree and just think *all* songs about love are crap, but I think most people who bitch about the proliferation of love songs don't actually mean, "I hate/am tired of songs about love!" so much as, "I hate/am tired of hearing love sung about in the same insipid, generic and completely dispassionate way." In this sense, while BfP and, say, any Backstreet Boys album, are both about love, they're really not about the same thing at all. Consider the following excerpts from two pieces of music we all know and love. Our first example: "Caught a lite sneeze dreamed a little dream made my own pretty hate machine" ... and our second: "Upside, inside out Livin' la Vida loca She'll push and pull you down Livin' la Vida loca" Now, in terms of subject matter, one would have to concede a pretty good match in the above excerpts. Both deal with the experience of love. Each of these musicians* speak in their respective songs about the pain of having lost this love. In the lyrics given above, both artists are expressing their experiences of desperately needing someone, and mourning the negative effects that this needing is having on them now that they can't have them. The overlap is astounding, in fact. So, where's the difference? I could probably sum it up now, using a four-letter word starting with "shit", but I'm pretty certain we can all work it out for ourselves. The difference, though - however it is you define it - is what I'm sure people are getting at when they groan, "Oh ma-a-an, another song about love??" But alas, alack - it's 3am, and probably about time I pushed and pulled myself down into bed. So much for that early night I keep promising myself. I'd say the lack of sleep is starting to get to me, but I think I've just made that plain for all to see... ~Becczzzzz... :) * term used loosely. - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 03:28:18 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] oztori website > i have no problems taking over webmeister duties, assuming everyone is > cool with me doing that. as far as references go, check my > recently put-together website @ www.level21.net Wanna share? ~Becc :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 07:27:53 +1100 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun I think its kind of obvious who this is! Lets set up another poll so we can guess. - ---------- > From: toriobsessed@hushmail.com > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] A little bit of fun > Date: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 0:14 > > Good evening lovely people, > > Earlier tonight I was joking with a friend about some of the crazy/stupid/messed up things people on this list say, and joked about setting up a voting poll. So that's what I did. > > Go vote now! > > http://www.pollnow.com/Qus/QusDisp.cgi?QusID=305052 > > hushmail.com used due to fear of retribution. > > Happy voting, > > Someone Called Dan. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:02:07 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: [oztori] dan doesn't like lil' dans metaphors >The new long player flows like bubbles form a lava >lamp: its not so much the work of a brash young >woman, but of a deeply wise one who has sieved the >past and purposely retained only the lumps, combining >them with a newfound elegance and maturity. buh? this is an amazingly...er...bad metaphor. it just conjures up icky imagery. sorry lil' dan...speak to your english teacher and get him/her to give you a lesson in creating pretty metaphors and similies. it gets the point across, yes, but....i don't like it. sorry! xoxo dan ;) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 08:09:00 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] A little bit of fun ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! At 05:14 AM 27/11/01 -0800, toriobsessed@hushmail.com wrote: >Good evening lovely people, > >Earlier tonight I was joking with a friend about some of the >crazy/stupid/messed up things people on this list say, and joked about >setting up a voting poll. So that's what I did. > >Go vote now! > >http://www.pollnow.com/Qus/QusDisp.cgi?QusID=305052 > >hushmail.com used due to fear of retribution. > >Happy voting, > >Someone Called Dan. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:07:19 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR Nayth said YKTR is: > >Not a whole lot different to Boys For Pele then > really > >is it? I say yes! Very different. I can hear the words in YKTR! hehehehe > > Hit me Bevan if you disagree and just think *all* > songs about love are crap Nah, I don't. Depends on the arrangements and words. For example, "Lust" is full of imagery, archetypes and metaphors (gender nectar, alpha female, grain of gold). Contrast this with "Baby it burns to be your Fire on the Side" or "I want you more than the stars and the sun". > but I think most people who bitch about the > proliferation of love songs > don't actually mean, "I hate/am tired of songs about > love!" so much as, "I > hate/am tired of hearing love sung about in the same > insipid, generic and > completely dispassionate way." In this sense, while > BfP and, say, any > Backstreet Boys album, are both about love, they're > really not about the > same thing at all. Exactly! You go girl! Ricky VS Tori: > > So, where's the difference? I could probably sum it > up now, using a > four-letter word starting with "shit", but I'm > pretty certain we can all > work it out for ourselves. The difference, though - > however it is you > define it - is what I'm sure people are getting at > when they groan, "Oh > ma-a-an, another song about love??" Ricky Martin's music is like a teacher's guide to a novel. Now, just in case you don't understand, we'll make a condensed version and spell it out to you like you're a three year old. Tori goes, "Here you go! Make what you will of it. I've garbled some words up just to make it fun." I think the whole "boys / love" thing in YKTR is less mature than her newer comments. The feeling it gave me is that she is simpering, "Why don't the boys like me?". She soon got over that in LE though ;) Well, better go - it's 6am time for a swim. CHOW Bevan http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - - Get organised for Christmas early this year! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 15:13:17 -0800 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: [oztori] SLG single yay! i received mine in the mail yesterday... www.tower.com - so quick! It's the Danish import. Loooooooove it. Her eyes are looking to the side on the cover. Playing now. Only woo-oomeen bleed... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:10:03 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] Y Did Naythan Just Throw A Brick At Holly's Head? > OH...MY...*GOD*. > > Holly, you claim to be a Tori obsessive.... so... HOW > on EARTH do you mis-quote that lyric as "FAME is only > rented?" > > It's "*BABE IT'S* only rented, no-one really owns the > merchandise". > Wee....eeee.....eeee.....llllllllllllllllllllllllllll. Excellent Nathyn. Allrighty then, I even went to hereinmyhead.com, and guess what? You are fucking RIGHT. Unbelievable. Babe it's only rented. I consider myself told from here on in. And that brick fucking hurt, but I guess I deserved it. > You're not better than those supposed Dent obsessives > who can't even quote simple lyrics in Tori's most > common songs correctly. > OK, now this is going a bit far. That one hurt, and it hurt lots. I know lyrics to every other album... but because my copy of YKTR doesn't have a lyric booklet, I guess I am a bit behind the 8-ball when it comes to extensive lyric knowledge of YKTR. Not to mention I usually skip over The Big Picture. So here I go. Take this great big "F U C K Y O U!!!" and treasure it, because I'm never ever speaking to you AGAIN! Holly. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:37:07 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: [oztori] Hedwig and Jane http://www.livejournal.com/~n26 http://www.epinions.com/user-nina26 Bevan, the Musical: >My Movie of the Month would be Hedwig and the Angry >Inch. Agreed. Being a Velvet Goldmine/Rocky Horror freak, I found out about this months ago and have been waiting patiently. Now I've seen it, and I wanna go again!!!! (but my friends are too poor to come with me :( ) It's about an American transexual man >perpetually in drag and singing in a >grungey/80'spoprock band "the angry inch". And s/he looks uncannily like Rachael Griffiths. It's a >musical so you have to follow the words in the songs >(i found out in song 3 lol) The recent revival of the musical - Oh Brother Where Art Thou, Dancer in the Dark, One Night the Moon, Velvet Goldmine, Moulin Rouge, Hedwig. >Back to the Movie: Hedwig sings a fab song called >"The Angry Inch" about his "operation" when he was >about 18 (an american sugar daddy couldn't marry a boy >- - lol). This song wins a prize for worst lyric, Roozi - the first line is "my sex change operation was botched". No matter how you sing it, the word "botched" should NEVER be in a song! Hedwig is also the name of the owl in Harry Potter, which i GOT FOR MY BIRTHDAY!!! (from my best friend, bondage girl ;)) yay. Satan, I mean Nathan (got the wrong Nathan lol): >Didn't Daria Morgendorfer from the Daria cartoon wear Birkenstocks? Or >maybe it was her best friend? More likely to have been Daria. Her best friend was a goth, and very cute. And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to cartoon characters (*cough* She-ra *cough*)! That is all. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:40:48 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] YKTR Bevan wrote: > Ricky Martin's music is like a teacher's guide to a > novel. Now, just in case you don't understand, we'll > make a condensed version and spell it out to you like > you're a three year old. You know, that's an excellent way of putting it. You talked about imagery, archetypes and metaphors like a lot of people would have, but none of those quite gets across how insulting much of this music is to a person's intelligence. I like it! ~Becc, stamping her seal of approval... ;P - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:16:29 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: [oztori] Save Festival Hall Hi Guys. If you disagree with this, then I'm sorry to bother you, but if you do agree/don't care, please send this (both to the addresses below, and to your friends)! All you have to do is date it and put your name at the bottom!! You can change it, and if you like, add my paragraph: "As a young person I find it particularly insulting that while cultural landmarks such as the Art Gallery, Lang Park and the Powerhouse are not required to be economically sustainable in order to survive, Festival Hall, an equally important historical and cultural symbol, was rejected on financial grounds. I am disgusted that while these other landmarks are preserved, apparently for future generations, the ones which are important to our generation are being de-valued, and left open to demolition by developers. This speaks volumes about the value governments place on youth culture and contemporary music." Thanks! >-----Original Message----- >From: L.Gibson [SMTP:L.Gibson@mailbox.gu.edu.au] >Sent: Sunday, 25 November 2001 6:28 PM >To: L.Gibson@mailbox.gu.edu.au >Subject: Festival Hall > >Dear all > >As a person concerned with cultural diversity I hope that you will be able >to participate in saving Brisbane's Festival Hall. > >If you feel strongly about Festival Hall's impending demolition please cut >and paste the following letter, sign your name and contact at the end and >send it to the email addresses provided. Feel free to adjust the letter in >any way you like. Most importantly pass this email on to ALL your friends >and colleagues. We need a strong community voice if we are to avoid yet >another block of expensive apartments in the space where Festival Hall used >to be!! > >Lisanne Gibson > > >---------------------- > >Insert date > >cc: >Hon. Peter Beatty MP >Premiers@ministerial.qld.gov.au > >Hon. Matt Foley MP >Arts@ministerial.qld.gov.au > >Hon. Dean Wells MP >Environment@ministerial.qld.gov.au > >The Heritage Council of QLD >marina.price@env.qld.gov.au > >Cr David Hinchcliffe >cpcc@brisbane.qld.gov.au > >The Right Honorable The Lord Mayor Councilor Jim Soorley >lordmayor@brisbane.qld.gov.au > > > >Dear Sir/ Madam > >Re: THE HERITAGE LISTING OF FESTIVAL HALL > >I write in relation to the Queensland Heritage Council's August 2001 >decision not to include the Festival Hall building and site on the >Queensland Heritage Register. As a concerned citizen I would like to >express my surprise and request that you use your influence to have the >Council reverse its decision. The Heritage Council's own Advisory Committee >recommended that the Hall be listed as of State Heritage significance. The >Council has chosen not to follow the advise of its own expert advisory >body. > >The Heritage Council decision has further jeopardised Queensland's already >precarious contemporary live music scene and in turn our popular culture >and heritage. Many studies have demonstrated the adverse impact both to >cultural diversity and economic development of urban planning schemes which >privilege new developments over older buildings. Festival Hall is a case in >point; it fulfills a key role in the popular music and youth culture of >Queensland. > >Festival Hall is specific in the combination of leisure facilities it >offers. It is the only medium size venue which offers a large incubator >space for local acts and a small venue for alternative international acts. >These types of acts usually play in nightclubs; Festival Hall is the only >medium size venue which is able to facilitate participation by an all ages >audience. Other venues have been suggested as alternatives to Festival >Hall: City Hall's domed roof is not acoustically appropriate for the >performance of live electronic music; and, the Performing Arts Centre is >also not appropriate for the kinds of performers and audiences who use >Festival Hall. Festival Hall is irreplaceable as a venue, especially in >relation to its ability to accommodate sit-down, standing and even dancing >audience activity. This combination of factors and the diversity of >audience it attracts is unmatched by any other venue in South-East >Queensland. > >The Queensland State government and the Brisbane City Council have made >much of their commitment to 'housing the arts' and providing cultural and >economic opportunities to Queensland's youth. Festival Hall is unrivalled >in the central role it occupies historically and currently in the >development of Queensland's youth culture. The Queensland State government >and the Brisbane City Council would be demonstrating a concrete commitment >both to housing the arts and Queensland's youth by protecting that culture >as it already exists- Festival Hall. > >We only have one accessible and suitable medium sized popular music venue >in South-East Queensland. If we lose this venue and what it provides to >Queensland's culture and community it is irretrivable. I draw your >attention to the 1982 destruction of Cloudland under a previous government >and trust that such a situation will never occur again. > >As tenders for the development of the Festival Hall site close on the 14 >December, 2001, I request that you treat this as a matter of urgency. > >Yours sincerely > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:24:11 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: [oztori] dan doesn't like lil' dans metaphors, but roozi does :P - -- >>The new long player flows like bubbles form a lava >>lamp: its not so much the work of a brash young >>woman, but of a deeply wise one who has sieved the >>past and purposely retained only the lumps, combining >>them with a newfound elegance and maturity. > >buh? this is an amazingly...er...bad metaphor. it just conjures up icky >imagery. sorry lil' dan...speak to your english teacher and get him/her to >give you a lesson in creating pretty metaphors and similies. it gets the >point across, yes, but....i don't like it. sorry! >dan ;) well *i* actually thought the piece was well written, and that metaphor quite evocative and original! having read some of your poetry, big dan, i don't reckon you should be giving lil dan any pointers. hehehe ok, that was unfairly harsh, but i don't think your criticism here is at all worthy. Too much writing is too 'pleasant' and 'nice', and i think people who write with a touch of darkness are worth encouraging. if you don't like 'icky' imagery, well too bad, but don't expect others to write stale, turgid crap just so as not to offend your eyes! and are we forgetting the youth of the author. not to harp, but how many fucking 'adults', never mind 15 y/os, write that well?? in short: yay! for lil dan and boo! to big dan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 13:33:45 +1100 From: "riot poofter" Subject: Re: [oztori] Hedwig and Jane >Bevan, the Musical: ooh ooh, can i help write it? i have already co-written "NUS: The Musical!" (NUS = national union of students)... who shall we cast as bevan? >>My Movie of the Month would be Hedwig and the Angry >>Inch. I am *sooo* dying to see this, but also "The Others". Like all good patriotic aussies, i'm on Nic's side in the divorce :) Plus "The Others" is a great title... >This song wins a prize for worst lyric, Roozi - the first line is "my sex >change operation was botched". No matter how you sing it, the word >"botched" >should NEVER be in a song! i can think of worse... maybe i shoulkd burn you a copy of samantha fox's bets of album :) >Hedwig is also the name of the owl in Harry Potter, which i GOT FOR MY >BIRTHDAY!!! (from my best friend, bondage girl ;)) yay. god thsoe toys are cute. teh ones of harry are crap but all teh animals are ADORABLE, especially fluffy teh three headed dog. a couple of friends and i gave another friend one as a 'congrats on finishing your thesis after 2 long years' present and put a dog tag on each head with our individual names hehehe >>Didn't Daria Morgendorfer from the Daria cartoon wear Birkenstocks? Or >>maybe it was her best friend? neither would. birkestocks are too trendy for daria and too colourful for jane. daria rocks! >More likely to have been Daria. Her best friend was a goth, and very cute. >And there is nothing wrong with being attracted to cartoon characters >(*cough* She-ra *cough*)! 4 sure... jane's brother trent is hot. as for she ra, there are some kool sites about her and greta (v expensive) merchandise on ebay etc... i always liked the villian hordak the most, cause he was so evil taht he man and shera had to team up with skeletor to defeat him! over n out _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #272 ****************************