From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #265 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Friday, November 23 2001 Volume 01 : Number 265 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] bashing Nathan up. ["Dale" ] Re: [oztori] Clones (We're All) ["Becc" ] [oztori] i love rock n roll ["cåth ." ] Re: [oztori] i love rock n roll ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] bashing Nathan up. [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! [Holly Williamso] Re: [oztori] Clones (We're All) [Nathan R ] [oztori] rubbing Nathan up. [=?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= ] Re: [oztori] Clones (Send in the) [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] i love rock n roll [AndrewR ] RE: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! [AndrewR ] Re: [oztori] sez mac live (not sex max as i originally typed) [ot] [Danie] Re: [oztori] sez mac live (not sex max as i originally typed) [ot] [Andr] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:37:27 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! Andrew wrote: > >and here is the weakness in your argument: just > >because something is raw, does not mean it's badly > >produced. have you ever listened to a record that's > >been produced to death? Rubbing something down to an > >unrecognisable mess of overproduction is not always > >the best thing to do. > > *cough* Garbage *cough* Heh, I think you quoted a wrong paragraph here. ;) As for Talula, it's a GREAT song. That's it. My word is law. As far as remixes go, there's a Pele version and a Tornado album version and the rest is just filler. I, the great and powerful, have spoken! ~Becc. :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 21:44:22 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Not by the hair of my chinny chinchin Dylan Plant wrote: > Erm actually, Ichi-ban means No 1...dick head in > Japanese is Chinchin lol.. This no doubt causes much amusement when Japanese kids are read the "Three Little Pigs" story in English. quoting AndrewR I think: > Reminds me of a person in grade 8 japanese - when of > course everyone learns > the rude words... Hehhe.. Well, I looked up how to say "I have a fetish for rollerskates" in my Indonesian-English dictionaries in Year 11.. but that's just me. Nathaniel. . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:44:45 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! At 15:37 23/11/2001 +1000, Becc wrote: >Andrew wrote: >> >and here is the weakness in your argument: just >> >because something is raw, does not mean it's badly >> >produced. have you ever listened to a record that's >> >been produced to death? Rubbing something down to an >> >unrecognisable mess of overproduction is not always >> >the best thing to do. >> >> *cough* Garbage *cough* > >Heh, I think you quoted a wrong paragraph here. ;) > no no... Garbage... the band - can be WAY too overproduced... I mean what do you expect with three of the band members producers! >As for Talula, it's a GREAT song. That's it. My word is law. > Yeahhhhhh I *LOVE* Talula - I'm talking about the BT extended 12 minute insomnia-curing effort on the Talula single. >As far as remixes go, there's a Pele version and a Tornado album version and >the rest is just filler. > >I, the great and powerful, have spoken! > >~Becc. :) > >-- >witnessed: >www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:47:06 -0800 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: [oztori] DEAD POETS - TO BECC sorry to address this to the list - deleted becc's email. noticed your sig - that's from Dead Poets Society, yes? I looooooove that movie. I just got it on DVD and my flatmate hadn't ever seen it. So we sat down in front of the TV and I made sure she had the box of tissues next to her. Must've forgotten how much the end of the film moves me to tears... when they're all on the tables... oh captain my captain. christ, i bawled. I LOVE that movie. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:51:34 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! AndrewR wrote: > no no... Garbage... the band - can be WAY too overproduced... I mean what > do you expect with three of the band members producers! Ahhhhh! All is made clear to me now. Haven't heard their latest effort myself, but yeah, I have heard it's shite. Shame they went to shit; I do recall likeing that crumpled-looking pink album that must've come out in about '96. I recall watching the ads during my insomniacal late-night 'Twin Peaks' and 'Prisoner' marathons (shut up!), and thinking about how I might buy it if I had an allowance of more than $3.50 a week... :-/ and then: > Yeahhhhhh I *LOVE* Talula - I'm talking about the BT extended 12 minute > insomnia-curing effort on the Talula single. Oh agreed. I tried to listen to it once. I can't remember if I made it all the way through. Obviously had a huuuge effect on me. ~Becc :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:00:32 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Clones (We're All) Becc wrote: > As for Talula, it's a GREAT song. That's it. My > word is law. Laws were made to be broken. > Give me angry queers any day. As long as it's > individual, anything's better than the campy > frootloop image all those clones in gay nightclubs > carry. lol! I *love* the word 'clones'. Nathan. . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:44:04 +1030 From: "Dale" Subject: Re: [oztori] bashing Nathan up. Holly said, (yes, said): > Doughnut, incidentally, may just be my most favourite song ever ever > written. me too! and i think it was the last one written on the album. i remember reading somewhere (as you do) that they thought they had done all the tracks and then tori was like, no, there's one more here. i've got a promo video that has footage of the making/recording of pele and there is this one scene of tori playing all these different variations of _something_, and then, i realised she was working out part of doughnut song! 'twas very exciting. there is also a scene where she is singing the backing vocals to lite sneeze, the "building..." bit, very very high pitched. it sounds soooo amazing with her just standing there in the middle of this church with headphones on singing this incredible backing track. that is all. dale (wondering, 2 motnths later, if the slg single is _ever_ going to be released) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:08:36 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] Clones (We're All) Nathan said: > Laws were made to be broken. I think you're thinking of rules. Rules were meant to be broken. Laws, on the other hand.... oh man, am I really arguing this? *LOL* ~Becc :) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:09:32 +1100 From: "cåth ." Subject: [oztori] i love rock n roll RENEE: >>> does anyone know where Britney got the pictures of fairies that are on the 'Britney' disc? Or where they in turn can be found in a jpg form? as sad as it is, i know exactly what you're talking about. you might find it in the archives on www.mygirls.org i'll have a look for you tomorrow. her album is surprisingly good... hey i burnt it okay, she mooched no money from me ..... this time..... <3 cath who met britney spears in the gym of her hotel. and the stupid bitch looks good even with NO make-up *sighs* and i wasn't at the airport at 2am to see hanson and i didn't jump the fence at taronga zoo to meet christina aguilera either... oh lordy i sucketh! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:12:29 +1000 From: "Becc" Subject: Re: [oztori] i love rock n roll cath who met britney spears in the gym of her hotel wrote: > and i wasn't at the airport at 2am to see hanson > and i didn't jump the fence at taronga zoo to meet christina aguilera > either... *cough* Security!!! ~Becc.:) - -- witnessed: www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:20:14 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] bashing Nathan up. Dale wrote: > Holly said, (yes, said): > > Doughnut, incidentally, may just be my most > favourite song ever ever > > written. > > me too! and i think it was the last one written on > the album. 'twas indeed. I also read somewhere that in its original incarnation, 'twas called "Beyond the Pale" and was rather different in parts to the finished "Doughnut Song". > i've got a promo video that has footage of the > making/recording of pele and I'd 'love' to get a copy of this. Can you dub? 'Will trade for food' or something. > dale > (wondering, 2 motnths later, if the slg single is > _ever_ going to be > released) 'twon't ever see an official release Dale. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr I want to get my hands on a copy too. Fucking stupid record company who presses the singles then decides they don't want to release them.. I fail to see the logic. Even if it only sold 5 copies, this would be less loss for them than not releasing any at all. Stupid dickheads or 'chinchins' :P Nathan. . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:25:35 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! Andy R wrote: > BT might be a good/clever artist and all that but the BT > remix of Talula is just UTTER CRAP. It is a long, drawnout piece of > self-indulgent clap-trap. I'm serious - what merit is there in stretching > a > song out to twelve minutes+ when all you've done is added airy sounds > inbetween!?! You want remix - the Scarlet Spectrum whatever remix of > Raspberry Swirl - now that's a remix. The Talula remix is just path-et-ic. > I think towards the end there is a good bit... but nothing much else. > I think you might be mistaken, because although BT DID do a remix of Talula that was utter shit and stretched for 12 minutes, I believe the normal, single-released BT mix of Talula (the 3 min version), was great - the one with 'She's chasing... Tornadoes I'm just....waaaaiting....calmly'. Actually, I really love the Spark remix on the Cruel/Raspberry Swirl single. I think all that garble is awesome! Hols. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] Clones (We're All) Becc wrote: > Nathan said: > > Laws were made to be broken. > > I think you're thinking of rules. Rules were meant > to be broken. Laws, on > the other hand.... oh man, am I really arguing this? > *LOL* Have you not listened to Tori's cover of "Time?" "The shadow boys are breaking all the LAWS". I rest my case. Nathan (who still can't believe he actually managed to squeeze some Tori content in for once!). . Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:28:54 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= Subject: [oztori] rubbing Nathan up. Holly Wrote, quite eloquently: > > Holy fuck, man. Guess what? I had only ever > heard > > Caught a Lite > > Sneeze before getting Boys for Pele. Holy fuck, man! LOL. I hadn't heard *any* of it. Shock, horror, I bought it because I liked the remix of professional widow. I was so pissed off to find it wasn't on there!! Very determined to get my 30 bucks out of the CD though! Played it a few times and suddenly had CALS on endless loops! Two weeks later got LE >>>> PT, Winter. The rest, as they say, is "fucking" history. > My point was.. Agent Orange, Muhammad My Friend, and > Little Amsterdam are hardly songs you'd air to a > non-Tori-initiated person to show them what a > 'great' > muzakian she was. So, this is a great question. Because I have totally put people *off* Tori before by playing the "wrong" sorts of songs :P Any suggestions as to the most ... non-anchovie-esque song(s)? > > Little Amsterdam? Twinkle? Hello? These are not > > shit!! Little Amsterdam .. always imagine her singing that in a smokey club (so you non-smokers are *NOT* invited) .. in a black dress. > OK I don't really dislike any of Tori's albums.. was > perhaps over-exaggerating a tad 'just to get a > response' ;) (whoever woulda thunk it?). BUT.. it > does get annoying when everyone keeps singing Pele's > praises... when.. IMHO, it *does* contain some of > Tori's *worst* songs (hello Agent Orange) and also > provided us with her worst b-sides ever. Even the > TVAB b-sides were better than the Pele ones (because > there were none ;) So Nayth you're (note the apostrophe) such a big softie. Don't let him intimidate you folks! Pele also gave us Frog on my Toe! By the way - I am scared to death of frogs. Any sort of frog. Petrified. I take one look and get all gushy and don't know what to do - I freeze up! One came into my house the other night - admittedly dead and dragged in by my puss puss who was showing him off. SOOOOOO freaky! Pushed it outside with the broom, then gave it a good whack. If I see a snake, I'll faint. On the other hand, I love spiders and find them fascinating and gorgeous. I have heaps in my backyard and they are always making the most amazing webs. Very beautiful w/ dew drops all around them when the sun is coming up. Anyway, back to work ;) Bye bye Bevan ;) http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping - - Get organised for Christmas early this year! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:43:53 +1000 From: Holly Williamson Subject: RE: [oztori] rubbing Nathan up. > Holly Wrote, quite eloquently: > > > > Holy fuck, man. Guess what? I had only ever > > heard > > > Caught a Lite > > > Sneeze before getting Boys for Pele. > > Holy fuck, man! LOL. I hadn't heard *any* of it. > Shock, horror, I bought it because I liked the remix > of professional widow. I was so pissed off to find it > wasn't on there!! Very determined to get my 30 bucks > out of the CD though! Played it a few times and > suddenly had CALS on endless loops! Two weeks later > got LE >>>> PT, Winter. The rest, as they say, is > "fucking" history. > HOLY FUCK MAN, you win. That's great; I've never heard a tori-story like that before! Someone who heard the Prof Widow remix and bought BFP. That's excellent... and now you're a tori fan, and I am stoked to hear it. Love your work, Bevs. Oops, I mean, love your *fucking* work!! Yours in eloquence (and will she have your baby? I'm sure she'd make a rooly excelllllent mothar) Hols xx > > My point was.. Agent Orange, Muhammad My Friend, and > > Little Amsterdam are hardly songs you'd air to a > > non-Tori-initiated person to show them what a > > 'great' > > muzakian she was. > > So, this is a great question. Because I have totally > put people *off* Tori before by playing the "wrong" > sorts of songs :P Any suggestions as to the most ... > non-anchovie-esque song(s)? > > > > > Little Amsterdam? Twinkle? Hello? These are not > > > shit!! > > Little Amsterdam .. always imagine her singing that in > a smokey club (so you non-smokers are *NOT* invited) > .. in a black dress. > > > > OK I don't really dislike any of Tori's albums.. was > > perhaps over-exaggerating a tad 'just to get a > > response' ;) (whoever woulda thunk it?). BUT.. it > > does get annoying when everyone keeps singing Pele's > > praises... when.. IMHO, it *does* contain some of > > Tori's *worst* songs (hello Agent Orange) and also > > provided us with her worst b-sides ever. Even the > > TVAB b-sides were better than the Pele ones (because > > there were none ;) > > So Nayth you're (note the apostrophe) such a big > softie. Don't let him intimidate you folks! Pele > also gave us Frog on my Toe! > > By the way - I am scared to death of frogs. Any sort > of frog. Petrified. I take one look and get all > gushy and don't know what to do - I freeze up! One > came into my house the other night - admittedly dead > and dragged in by my puss puss who was showing him > off. SOOOOOO freaky! Pushed it outside with the > broom, then gave it a good whack. If I see a snake, > I'll faint. > > On the other hand, I love spiders and find them > fascinating and gorgeous. I have heaps in my backyard > and they are always making the most amazing webs. > Very beautiful w/ dew drops all around them when the > sun is coming up. > > Anyway, back to work ;) Bye bye Bevan ;) > > http://shopping.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Shopping > - Get organised for Christmas early this year! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 22:48:26 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: [oztori] rubbing Nathan up. - --- Bevan Burkin wrote: > Any suggestions as to the most > ... > non-anchovie-esque song(s)? well, not space dog, obviously, since it mentions a dirty fishydishcloth, lol. um... i think singles are a good bet. here's a disc i'd make for a newbie (not neccesarily in this order): - -Precious Things - -Tear in your Hand - -Pretty Good year - -God - -PTM - -Baker Baker - -Cornflake - -Space Dog - -CALS - -Twinkle - -Spark - -Northern Lad - -Josephine (the only song off venus which grabbed me by the nuts with the first listen) - -SLG - -Rattlesnakes l'il dan ===== So then I thought I'd make some plans But fire thought she'd really rather be water instead. - -Tori Amos Blissful Bubbles of Poetry: http://learthquakes.proboards.com/ Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 16:44:04 +1030 From: "Dale" Subject: Re: [oztori] bashing Nathan up. Holly said, (yes, said): > Doughnut, incidentally, may just be my most favourite song ever ever > written. me too! and i think it was the last one written on the album. i remember reading somewhere (as you do) that they thought they had done all the tracks and then tori was like, no, there's one more here. i've got a promo video that has footage of the making/recording of pele and there is this one scene of tori playing all these different variations of _something_, and then, i realised she was working out part of doughnut song! 'twas very exciting. there is also a scene where she is singing the backing vocals to lite sneeze, the "building..." bit, very very high pitched. it sounds soooo amazing with her just standing there in the middle of this church with headphones on singing this incredible backing track. that is all. dale (wondering, 2 motnths later, if the slg single is _ever_ going to be released) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:33:36 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] Clones (Send in the) At 16:08 23/11/2001 +1000, Becc wrote: >Nathan said: >> Laws were made to be broken. > >I think you're thinking of rules. Rules were meant to be broken. Laws, on >the other hand.... oh man, am I really arguing this? *LOL* > Laws... Laws was ment to have the most disgusting head of "hair" in Australia! ;o) >~Becc :) > >-- >witnessed: >www.barbaric-yawp.com/journal ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:34:51 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] i love rock n roll At 17:09 23/11/2001 +1100, ceth . wrote: ><3 cath who met britney spears in the gym of her hotel. >and the stupid bitch looks good even with NO make-up *sighs* > So she finally found out where Australia was? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:39:35 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: RE: [oztori] I'll get you next time Gadget... NEXT TIME! At 16:25 23/11/2001 +1000, Holly Williamson wrote: > Andy R wrote: >> BT might be a good/clever artist and all that but the BT >> remix of Talula is just UTTER CRAP. It is a long, drawnout piece of >> self-indulgent clap-trap. I'm serious - what merit is there in stretching >> a >> song out to twelve minutes+ when all you've done is added airy sounds >> inbetween!?! You want remix - the Scarlet Spectrum whatever remix of >> Raspberry Swirl - now that's a remix. The Talula remix is just path-et-ic. >> I think towards the end there is a good bit... but nothing much else. >> > I think you might be mistaken, because although BT DID do a remix of >Talula that was utter shit and stretched for 12 minutes, I believe the >normal, single-released BT mix of Talula (the 3 min version), was great - >the one with 'She's chasing... Tornadoes I'm just....waaaaiting....calmly'. > > Actually, I really love the Spark remix on the Cruel/Raspberry Swirl >single. I think all that garble is awesome! > > Hols. > OK YEAH! Tornado remix - ABSOLFANFUCKINGLUTELYTABULOUS! 12 minute dreck... - not so good ;o) Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:48:44 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] rubbing Nathan up. At 22:48 22/11/2001 -0800, Dan Stapleton wrote: >--- Bevan Burkin wrote: > >> Any suggestions as to the most >> ... >> non-anchovie-esque song(s)? [snip list] 1000 Oceans... very... um... flake ;o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:55:42 +1100 From: Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] sez mac live (not sex max as i originally typed) [ot] >I'll have to give her that promo? 7" vinyl of Touch and Vox - it didn't >have a cover when I found it in the stinky record exchange... I don't even >know if it would?? It plays well too! Its german, and yes it does have a cover...want. badly. >About Black live... I have a single (beaten up and found at a 2nd hand >store - it's bee-side is Black live, I wonder if it is the same thing?) If its a single for Possession then yes - its the same version. ITs the only reason worth getting that single for if you don't have the Live EP. Frankly "Jane's Version" of Fear is crap. And the version of Mary is the same as off Freedom Sessions. xoxo Dan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I Have a fish nailed to a cross on my apartment wall It sings to me with glassy eyes and quotes from Kafka. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OzTori - http://www.oztori.org For all your Australasian Tori Amos needs. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 18:04:35 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] sez mac live (not sex max as i originally typed) [ot] At 18:55 23/11/2001 +1100, Daniel G wrote: >>I'll have to give her that promo? 7" vinyl of Touch and Vox - it didn't >>have a cover when I found it in the stinky record exchange... I don't even >>know if it would?? It plays well too! > >Its german, and yes it does have a cover...want. badly. > Its german? it had a cover? bugger - there would have been NO way of finding it I was lucky to have stumbled across it in the first place - it's so dirty/stinky up in the record exchange. I asked if there would have been a cover - the old man behind the counter said he didn't know just grab one from another disc. Either it was sold to them without a cover The cover is in there SOMEWHERE The cover was lost The cover was taken by someone else to use on another disc that didn't have it's own cover!?! Hmmmm >>About Black live... I have a single (beaten up and found at a 2nd hand >>store - it's bee-side is Black live, I wonder if it is the same thing?) > >If its a single for Possession then yes - its the same version. >ITs the only reason worth getting that single for if you don't have the >Live EP. Frankly "Jane's Version" of Fear is crap. And the version of Mary >is the same as off Freedom Sessions. Haven't got Freedom Sessions or Bee-sides yet - they seem very exxy. ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #265 ****************************