From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #191 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Saturday, October 6 2001 Volume 01 : Number 191 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [oztori] Quizzle ["Becc" ] Re: [oztori] Quizzle ["Gav Ross" ] RE: [oztori] Non-Tori Faves ["Dylan Plant" ] RE: [oztori] Madonna ["Dylan Plant" ] [oztori] AP Magazine ["Jodie Van Krieken" ] Re: [oztori] Quizzle ["Julie Cesario" ] [oztori] Re: [ozporn] re: photo [Nathan R ] [oztori] Got my rape hat on [Nathan R ] [oztori] I think something is wrong with me [Nathan R ] [oztori] with love from little dan ;) [Daniel G Subject: Re: [oztori] Quizzle Age (in case I've forgotten): 22 Sex: F Occupation (if studying state what): Studying multimedia. Ideal Occupation: Writer. Marital Status: Single. City in which you live: Brisbane. Hair Colour: Brown. Eye Colour: Green but probably going to go back to hazel some day. Damn these genes of mine. Favourite Colour(s): Chocolate brown. Do you smoke/drink alcohol/take drugs? Drink alcohol. What do you think tori means by "faeries"? Spirit, perhaps? Anything more out-there than that and she's lost me. Have you ever been in love? With who and when? Yes, always with people who don't love me back. Which is probably precisely why I love them. I'm a sick, sad person. Favourite movie: The Wizard of Oz, The Matrix, Bound, The Man Without a Face, Great Expectations... too many to list. I'll bet dozens of better ones than these will occur to me later. Sigh. Movie that never fails to make you laugh: Patch Adams. One good attribute of yours: I can laugh at myself even when I'm sobbing and miserable. Who were you in highschool? The quiet one who never quite felt she belonged (possibly because of all the taunts of "lemon" that followed me about. Just maybe.) Last time you cried and why: Tonight, because I idiotically hit on a friend of mine and he wasn't interested. I'm currently beating up on myself. Please don't immortalise this in html, will you. *worried look* Name of one person you hate and why: I don't think I hate anyone. How would you sum up your family? Way too conventional and unquestioning. Favourite book of all time or that you've read recently: 'Ishmael' by Daniel Quinn, the 'Rabbit' series by John Updike, 'Lolita' by Nabakov. Do you have pets? What are they? No pets, though I'd love a golden retriever. Not while I'm in this townhouse though! Favourite subject(s) at school: English and art. ICQ #: 3743849 Stance on swearing: I fucking don't fucking know... you fucking tell me! Left wing/Right wing/No wing: Tending towards left-wing in my opinions, but I feel left-wing and right-wing factions are both prisoners in the same cage and it's not terribly productive to join one side and hate the other. Even if right-wing people *are* bloody idiots. Is your grammar shit? Nah, I'm a stickler for correct spelling and grammar. I drive people crazy with my picking. Are you messy or clean? I'm a neat-freak, but a lazy one. Basically, I sit around looking at the mess on my floor and wishing it was clean, but couldn't be buggered cleaning it up. Do you play any instruments (including voice)? If so what and for how long? Piano, for twelve years. How do you dress? As comfortably as possible. Usually jeans, docs and a t-shirt. Are you judgemental? Yeah, though I try to fight it. Do you eat meat? No, for ethical reasons, but I'm not self-righteous about it. I don't believe there's anything wrong with humans (who are just animals) eating other animals. That's nature, buddy. Favourite drink: Non-alcoholic: Wimmers lime cooler. Alcoholic: Baltik. Favourite perfume: *cough* *cough* Keep that shit far away from me! Really nice place you've visited: You know, I can't think of anywhere at the moment. Something you'd usually try to conceal: My fucking awful self-esteem. TV show(s) you like: I don't watch any regular TV. Biggest regret: My Catholic schooling. If heaven existed, and you got to those pearly gates, what would you say to God? You sadistic bastard!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:17:57 +1000 From: "Gav Ross" Subject: Re: [oztori] Quizzle > Age: 20 > Sex: Male > Occupation (if studying state what): Professional Writing and Editing > Ideal Occupation: money maker > Marital Status: not married, have girl > City in which you live: Melbourne > Hair Colour: Blonde/Brown > Eye Colour: Brown > Favourite Colour(s): Blue > Do you smoke/drink alcohol/take drugs? Drink beer amd smoke occasionally, no drugs > Have you ever been in love? Yes, right now > Favourite movie: Back To The Future trilogy > > Movie that never fails to make you laugh: Spaceballs > One good attribute of yours: I try talk different > Who were you in highschool?: nothing much, i wore a tie > Last time you cried and why: I have no idea, I haven't cried in many years > How would you sum up your family? enthusiastic > Favourite book of all time or that you've read recently: I read comic books > Do you have pets? What are they? a galah called dinky > Favourite subject(s) at school: literature, english > ICQ #: none > Stance on swearing: I do it quite often so its ok > Left wing/Right wing?: middle wing > Is your grammar shit? its good > Are you messy or clean? fairly clean > Do you play any instruments (including voice)? guitar for few years > How do you dress? Or alternately, do you care? I try dress decent, but don't really care > Are you judgemental? yes, unfortunaltely. > Do you eat meat? yep > Favourite drink: carlton draught > Favourite perfume: whatever my girlfriend wears > Really nice place you've visited: sherbrooke forest > Something you'd usually try to conceal: a knife, if i had one > TV show(s) you like: survivor, x files > Biggest regret: none at all xo Gav! http://www.geocities.com/snoutyman/bootlist.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 05:06:30 +1000 From: "Dylan Plant" Subject: RE: [oztori] Non-Tori Faves Some of mine: Anything by Garbage. Chemical Bros - Dig Your Own Hole Kylie - Impossible Princess & Light Years (and prolly Fever as well) VAST - VAST (if I can ever find it! Lost it) Fatboy Slim - You've Come A Long Way Baby (and I really want the T Shirt too!) Portishead - all of them Madonna - Ray of Light Veruca Salt if I ever find both of their albums Arkarna - Fresh Meat (haven't yet got second album) something like that Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 05:28:29 +1000 From: "Dylan Plant" Subject: RE: [oztori] Madonna check out your friendly local mp3 file share service. If in doubt I have a copy on mp3 that I downloaded, I think its called What It Feels Like For A Girl (Above and Beyond Mix). Something like that. Dylan - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of AndrewR Sent: Friday, October 05, 2001 3:22 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: [oztori] Madonna Does anyone have a link to the mp3 for "What It Feels Like For a Girl" - the version that is like the video clip (i.e. the single version) I have the album, but of course that version is not on there. Andrew Grrr Argh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:00:51 +0000 From: "Jodie Van Krieken" Subject: [oztori] AP Magazine Hey Tori Bugs! I just picked up a copy of the Tozza Alternative Press issue and I thought I'd let you know that it should be out for all the people waiting for it! Not only does it have the interview pics that are on the Dent but it also has a full page colour ad inside it for SLG. I haven't read the article fully but I did read part of it and it actually disturbed me a little because it starts to imply that Tori wasn't actually raped "Among her most loyal fans, the story of Tori's rape has been put under the microscope. Although she approaches the topic from several directions, going into specifics is at the same time salient and useless. Tori is heavily into myths ("For you to be able to really make a modern myth come to life, you have to be able to play that character. You can't have Lady Macbeth coming into the Jesus myth"), and it is the myth of her rape that has been so instrumental in making important, life altering connections with rape and incest survivors, with rapists themselves.... (talks a little about RAINN) So does it matter that (by her own admission in a 1994 interview) she wasn't sexually penertrated? Does it matter that it was her and a knife, not 'Me And A Gun'? Not a bit.. The article then goes on to talk about the characters she plays and how disturbing it was for her to actually be attacked, but which 1994 interview?! I don't remember reading it...does anyone know which one it was? I just think this article is a little intrusive from that point of view! Sorry I didn't type that part all out, I didn't have time right now, but I can later if anyone wants it. Jodie xxx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2001 22:19:02 +0000 From: "Jodie Van Krieken" Subject: [oztori] Favourite non-tori albums here are mine : Portishead: Dummy Beth Orton: Central Reservation Madonna: Music/Ray Of Light Bjork: Vespertine/Homogenic John Butler Trio: Three Lisa Loeb: Tails iOTA: Hip Bone Connection Radiohead: Kid A (I know most people hate this but I love it!) Something For Kate: Echolalia PJ Harvey: Stories From the City..../Is This Desire Nelly Furtado: Whoa Nelly! Ani Difranco:Up, Up, Up... Jeff Buckley: Grace Fiona Apple: When the Pawn Alanis:Unplugged/ Jewel: Pieces Of You Soundtracks: Buffy, Moulin Rouge Love you all, Jodie xxx "If there's war between the sexes then there'll be no people left" Real Men _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:13:00 +1000 From: "Dylan Plant" Subject: RE: [oztori] Quizzle Sigh. Quizzle time. > Age: 21 (well, nearly) > Sex: Male > Occupation (if studying state what): work for Telstra (don't ask) and will be studying Marketing next year. > Ideal Occupation: money maker - seconded, either that or marry some rich boy with the 3 beemers and 20 gold credit cards. > Marital Status: tis complicated (Jason, Charlie, Stuart and Vinn) > City in which you live: Melbourne > Hair Colour: Black with blonde highlights > Eye Colour: Hazel/Green whatever mood my eyes feel like really. > Favourite Colour(s): Blue, black > Do you smoke/drink alcohol/take drugs? yes, yes and no. > Have you ever been in love? I wish *sigh* > Favourite movie: American Beauty > > Movie that never fails to make you laugh: erm...Austin Powers 1 & 2 oh and Romy & Michele!!!! > One good attribute of yours: I'm me! Hello! > Who were you in highschool?: Cross between Nobody and Grungo - I was also known as the school gay boy. Which was true. > Last time you cried and why: Last time I saw Beaches. > How would you sum up your family? Please don't get me started. > Favourite book of all time or that you've read recently: The Narnia series or anything by Iain Banks. > Do you have pets? What are they? Flatmates psycho cat Jade. She's so cute! > Favourite subject(s) at school: literature, english > ICQ #: none > Stance on swearing: fuck oath! > Left wing/Right wing?: meh, politics. > Is your grammar shit? itsh fucking excellent mate. > Are you messy or clean? erm....I'm a complete slob. > Do you play any instruments (including voice)? piano til Yr 10...want to try singing... > How do you dress? Or alternately, do you care? Dangerfield. whatever. > Are you judgemental? pretty open minded...try not to judge ppl...one thing I learnt how not to be from Mother dearest. > Do you eat meat? yep > Favourite drink: Beer. And Wine. And Stolis/Baltiks. > Favourite perfume: don't have one. But do like CK. > Really nice place you've visited: the river out near Dookie...so quiet and peaceful... > Something you'd usually try to conceal: boyfriends from each other...LOL > TV show(s) you like: Doctor Who, Star Trek, Poptarts, Will & Grace, Malcolm, Sex and the City (go Sam baby!!!), Teachers (sexy guy from This Life), This Life, erm...think that's it! > Biggest regret: not sleeping with Ricky Martin...hehehehe.... http://www.facelink.com/dilby_2000 tis me!!!!! Dylan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 09:22:13 +1000 From: "Julie Cesario" Subject: Re: [oztori] Quizzle Age (incase I've forgotten): 25 soon to be 26 fuck i'm old Sex: female Occupation (if studying state what): studing visual merchandising at RMIT also work p/t at contemporary furniture design company. Ideal Occupation: ummmm being rich Marital Status: single City in which you live: melbourne Hair Colour: chestnutty....other word for brown Eye Colour: chestnutty....still brown Favourite Colour(s): blue, green and black Do you smoke/drink alcohol/take drugs?:no, yes, occasionally What do you think tori means by "faeries"?: tinkerbell Have you ever been in love? With who and when?: yes but then they fucking ripped my heart outta my chest...ouch...with a girl for 2 and a half years would have been three last month :( Favourite movie: there's just too many but the wizard of oz is up there Movie that never fails to make you laugh: the court jester One good attribute of yours: this will take a while....i have a nice car Who were you in highschool? Nerd, Jock, Grungo-Depresso, Nobody?: generally a nobody who was ok at sports Last time you cried and why: thursday i was emailing my ex and shes just a narky piece of work Name of one person you hate and why: i could say my ex but that would be lying...umm Richard Wilkins for obvious reasons How would you sum up your family?: they are mental but its all good Favourite book of all time or that you've read recently: anything Dr Suess do you have pets? What are they? a cat, a dog, a cockatoo, some cows, chooks Favourite subject(s) at school: art, graphics ICQ #: nope just yahoo Stance on swearing: i do it way too frequently Left wing/Right wing/No wing: i'm scared of flying Is your grammar shit? always Are you messy or clean?: in transition Do you play any instruments (including voice)? If so what and for how long? nope, i sing only in my car How do you dress? Or alternately, do you care?: in clothes generally call me nuts Are you judgemental? oh yeah Do you eat meat? yeah the rarer the better...hangon that sounded seedy...medium rare Favourite drink: coke is it, anything and coke Favourite perfume:ck one also paris Really nice place you've visited: nice? hmmm disney world was nice i guess Something you'd usually try to conceal: that i'm a wooly moof TV show(s) you like: buffy, seinfeld, cheers umm...small wonder, charles in charge Biggest regret: getting into a relationship with someone you considered a friend and then having that person cheat on you, something they said they'd never do and as a result you are no longer the friends you use to be! do i sound bitter? Favourite word: word of the day: flamer! Favourite sound: roosters crowing in the morning....NOT! If heaven existed, and you got to those pearly gates, what would you say to God? why god why???!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:05:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Re: [ozporn] re: photo Mike Champ wrote: > are we allowed to show ass shots? :P "LMAO". Oh yes, please do... Nathan. . NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 21:41:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Got my rape hat on Jodie Van Krieken (Nath says, "What a cool surname you have, Jodez!") wrote: > I > haven't read the article > fully but I did read part of it and it actually > disturbed me a little > because it starts to imply that Tori wasn't actually > raped *snip* > The article then goes on to talk about the > characters she plays and how > disturbing it was for her to actually be attacked, > but which 1994 > interview?! I don't remember reading it...does > anyone know which one it was? > I just think this article is a little intrusive from > that point of view! > Sorry I didn't type that part all out, I didn't have > time right now, but I > can later if anyone wants it. OK.. Got part of that article saved somewhere.. Lemme just see: - ------------------------------------------------------- "I'll never talk about it at this level again but let me ask you. Why have I survived that kind of night, when other women didn't", she says. "How am I alive to tell you this tale when he was ready to slice me up? In the song I say it was 'Me and a Gun' but it wasn't a gun. It was a knife he had. And the idea was to take me to his friends and cut me up, and he kept telling me that, for hours. And if he hadn't needed more drugs I would have been just one more news report, where you see the parents grieving for their daughter". "And I was singing hymns, as I say in the song, because he told me to. I sang to stay alive. Yet I survived that torture, which left me urinating all over myself and left me paralysed for years. That's what that night was all about,mutilation, more than violation through sex". "I really do feel as though I was psychologically mutilated that night and that now I'm trying to put the pieces back together again. Through love, not hatred. And through my music. My strength has been to open again, to life, and my victory is the fact that, despite it all, I kept alive my vulnerability". - ------------------------------------------------------- That article really is quite a 'deep' one.. I don't have all of it saved, but Tori also talks about her cervical "cancer" (she actually had a 'procedure' preformed for something benign pre-UTP, not actual cancer, but this has been misconstrued by ppl) in it. My view on the whole thing is.. Tori saying "That's what that night was all about,mutilation, more than violation through sex", does NOT necessarily imply that she WASN'T 'penetrated' - she simply says that the most traumatic thing was that she was psychologically mutilated. Whether she was/wasn't really isn't the main point here, I don't think. ONLY Tori and the guy in the car know what happened that night. I don't see how anyone can say for a fact that Tori wasn't 'raped' unless they were either a) in the car at the same time, or b) Tori actually spells out in black and white, "I was not sexually penetrated that night". Regardless, what she went through was not exactly a 'nice' experience.. whether she was or wasn't penetrated isn't the main deal - she still went through a traumatic experience. But then the other side is.. people obviously are going to have a huge problem with it if she wasn't actually penetrated, since that's what "rape" means to most people. I've read someone say on the Dent (where else? lol) that maybe the attacker threatened or was *going* to rape her, but couldn't 'keep it up'/needed more drugs or something... but who are we to speculate. To me it all kinda seems just semantics - if someone holds you hostage and threatens to slice you up with a knife, I don't think it makes it somehow not as traumatic if they don't also rape you as well. The "gun" is metaphorical - Tori thought she was going to die... so maybe 'gun' gets the point across better than 'knife'? Nathan. . NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] I think something is wrong with me I've developed an immense liking for the Tom Jones/Tori Amos "duet" (sic), "I Wanna Get Back With You". Nathan. (now for my very own bottom-of-email-'Yahoo'-spiel ;) Don't get a Yahoo account - 'cuz they SUCK! Half the time I send e-mails to this list and they don't show up for like about 6 hours... but then other times it's instant. So fucking hard to predict. Just don't sign up with Yahoo, 'k? ;) (now waits for something awful to happen to his account from Yahoo officials reading this) NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:27:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] New misheard lyric Was just listening to Hey Jupiter Dakota Version... and heard "And this little MASS I KISSED, she's ready to confess"... LMAO Nathan. . NEW from Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2001 16:48:25 +1000 From: Daniel G Subject: [oztori] with love from little dan ;) li'l dan just sent me this...lucky bastard :) xoxo dan ;) >heya dan - > >here's a small review. i may write more at a later >date. it was absolutely awesome. please forward this >to oztori. but i really want everyone to >know that i put in a good show for oztori: and i got >you and jas and dan H your tourbooks! > >xoxo > >dan > >from the dent: > >"my flight was delayed getting in so i arrived just as >Tozza finished her pre-show M+G. i had gifts from >heaps of Aussies at www.oztori.org that i really >wanted to give her in person, but i gave them to John, >who seemed less than impressed with my story, but >promised to get them to her on the bus after the show >and make sure she paid attention to them! > >after spending $150 on merchandise, i got seated in >row T (dammit). i was with my l'il sister, which kinda >got annoying in the middle of Northern Lad and HIMH, >amongst others ("Is this Cornflake Girl, Dan??? What >song is this, Dan?"). But it was all cool. > >brief show review: > >Bonnie and CLyde >(chilling) >Siren >(woohoo!!!! i didn't even realise it was Siren to >begin with, but man, did she get into this song!) >Little Amsterdam >(smooth, relaxed and confident. After Siren, it seemed >very chilled in comparison) >Leather >(hellooooooooo annoying fans!) >Northern Lad >(OMG i just about died. this was one song i was just >hoping and praying for, and she had the whole room >holding their breath during it. the lights were >amazing too - fading up during the climax to >illuminate Tori and the entire hall of mesmerised >fans. the lighting was great throughout.) >Cool on Your Island >(luscious and wistful. i'm positive this will become a >tour standard, because the emotion was at MAAG levels >during this. she could barely keep control of >herself.) >Beauty Queen/Horses >(hellloooooooooo, annoying fans!) >Flying Dutchman >(aaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwww) >Concertina >(fucking awesome! it had an improv intro, and not >everyone realised it was Concertina straight off, >although i did and went crazy. one thing that struck >me during this show was how well she improvved - >really integrating the new stuff into the songs) >Time >(this song is finally growing on me. stupid cellphones >were ringing though) >Crucify >(wonderful, New-Age-esque) >Past the Mission >(it seems like she fucks this song up every time she >plays it! hehe but it still rocked) >Me and a Gun >(the most emotional performance i've ever heard. by >the end she was half-whispering: her voice was choked >and the room was crackling with energy. this was a >very melodic rendition too: far warmer in tone than >the album version) >Over the Rainbow >(awwwwwwww............ full of nuances and sung far >more confidently than the earlier versions a la Hey >Jupiter EP....... nice improv ending....) >Enjoy the Silence >(i second the motion that this is far better live.... >and once again, helllllllooooooooooooo annoying >crowd!) >Here in My Head >(wonderful) >Glory of the 80's >(kick-ass. everyone thought it was precious things, >but it was an incredibly refreshing take on GOT80s, >sung with flair and confidence) >Mr. Zebra >(what can be said about this? it simply rocks) >1000 Oceans >(what a beautiful ending....) > >Tozz seemed sad during the set, overall. It was a >mellow show, with little talking, and you could >definately feel an undercurrent of sadness from her. >The audience really got on my nerves, what with the >constant stream of mid-show entrances and exits, the >stupid hollering and the cellphones, and it >contributed to a real ebb-and-flow of energy between >tori and the crowd. i feel this show COULD have been >one of her best ever, if she'd had a more >apprieciative mob of supporters. But then, I guess not >everyone travelled as far as i did! > > >After the show, i rushed out the back to try and see >Tori, and managed to get pretty close to the >barricade. i was one of only about 30 people there at >the time (i really ran!!!). Then there was an >unexpected occurence: from the front of the barrier, a >small voice was calling the security guard: "Let me >out!" ........-It was Tori's mum!!!! For some reason >she was at the front of the barriers when the fans >arrived after the encores, and she wanted to get out. >The security guard told us to part, and she walked >past. She turned to us and said, "I just do what I'm >told to do." It was hilarious!!! she was incredibly >sweet and she was obviously flustered but calm and >collected at the same time. > >Tori came out shortly after for quite a lengthy M+G. >she seemed tired and withdrawn, but i was happy >because i got to talk to her! > >Dan: Tori, I've come from Australia! >Tori: Really? Wow! etc. >Dan: When are you coming over? >(Tori then told me/the crowd a story about how she >couldn't take Tash on long flights because she wanted >to jump out of the plane! she also said that she loved >Australia, and would try and get out there, but she >didn't have much hope of doing it ) > >i was quite lucky because Tori spent most of her time >talking to the fans over where her mum had been. >everyone around me got stuff signed but i didn't, >unfortunately. after she'd left, a really nice woman >started laying into some guy who'd gotten a signature >for "Not letting the boy from New Zealand get an >autograph!" which made things a bit better. > >all in all, it was a kick-ass show, with heaps of >potential for the latter stages of the tour. next time >i'll be a bit more tour-savvy, i hope! > >dan" ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #191 ****************************