From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #164 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Thursday, September 20 2001 Volume 01 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... [=?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= ] Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... ["Nerida Hooykaas" ] Re[8]: [oztori] just a question... [Daniel Hirning ] [oztori] OT: Even Aphrodite, she got nothin' on me [Nathan R ] RE: [oztori] Hey you, get out of my inbox [Dan Stapleton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:12:00 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... > i wasn't taking it personal... It's is just that i > *hate* big emails > with a million and one different things in them... > I *far* prefer an > email for each email you are replying to, or even > writing. I agree with d.t.m. on this but I'm not gonna exercise my godlike powers and say yes/no. I just think that compiling and cutting bits from each of the emails you want to reply to into one big one is too much trouble. I know people like Jas (is it Jas? I'm probably wrong...) do, and good for her - although you have to watch the 7000 character limit (spaces are counted as characters). If its a bother to you getting 20 emails a day (you were never on the kate bush mailing list were you? sheesh...) then why not join the digest, which sticks all the emails together for you and then you can reply to them all together. And yes Neri you're right, theres no need for everyone to spak about it. We'll just work it out sooner or later. Probably later. beer beer beer! bed bed bed! xoxo dan ;) ===== Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 18:42:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: [oztori] oztozza goodies just got Dan's package w/ the banner, scrapbook and doll... if anyone is still planning on getting stuff to me you better hurry up. on a side note, does anyone have any fooloproof ideas on how i can actually get the stuff to tori? what if i miss out at the meet and greet? i don't wanna just throw all the shit up on stage... l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 11:55:28 +1000 From: "Nerida Hooykaas" Subject: Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... I just think that > compiling and cutting bits from each of the emails you > want to reply to into one big one is too much trouble. ok I just wanted to say....again..not one big email....that's not what I suggested..I suggested a few normal sized emails...just makes more sense to me is all..split it up or something...and I haven't ruled out the digest...I was just making a suggestion =) there's nothing wrong with a few one-liners, it's just annoying when you get 20 from the one person ....that's all I was saying...4 or 5 one liners is completely different. I just meant if you are going to be replying to every email sent to the list and its only a tiny reply, then maybe you could join a few things into one email, rather than sending lotsa little ones. and if it's only directed at one person, maybe it should be sent to that person only and not on list or something Neri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:44:52 +1000 From: "nina riddel" Subject: [oztori] $10,000000000.00 later... I feel it is my duty to plant this evil thought inthe head of an obbsessive, completist, loaded tori fan... nathan, are you going to import the american SLuG with the Time girl on the cover so you have them all? http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/bookoflife/index.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlmostFamous _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:28:36 +091800 From: riot@senet.com.au Subject: Re: [oztori] Tori on Letterman tonight!!! Quoting Lavenda : > Adelaide is still not getting > Letterman is it? well, i was about to post and affirm that we are getting it, because it was on last night, but then i double checked and it doesn't look like we're getting tonight's epidsode! noooooooo! :( damn footy show. expect some desperate on- list begging for a copy within the next couple days ;) on a happier note, there is a full page ad for SLG in 'db', one of the adelaide street mags. toodles, dale - ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through SE Net Webmail http://webmail.senet.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 13:52:18 +1000 From: "David McGahan" Subject: Re: [oztori] $10,000000000.00 later... Is there a difference between the Aust and the US one? I saw one with Time on the front cover at Liverpool HMV... I'm sure of it... Am I missing something? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "nina riddel" To: Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:44 PM Subject: [oztori] $10,000000000.00 later... > I feel it is my duty to plant this evil thought inthe head of an obbsessive, > completist, loaded tori fan... > > nathan, are you going to import the american SLuG with the Time girl on the > cover so you have them all? > > > > http://www.angelfire.com/zine2/bookoflife/index.html > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AlmostFamous target="_blank"> src="http://www2.fanscape.com/toriamos/images/toriamosbanner.gif" > width="468" height="60" border="0"> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:58:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: [oztori] American Commercilism anyone want me to buy them anything from the US? Tozza stuff? l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:09:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: [oztori] Hey you, get out of my inbox you know you're an oztoriphile if: 1) you are gay 2) your name is dan 3) you find yourself intensely annoyed by the name nathan 4) you think sibohan fahey is an annoying cow 5) you NEVER talk about tori 6) you associate strange words with tori - slug, earthquakes, pink, venus 7) you love B words: buffy, bjork, ben folds, bevan, bitching... 8) you complain about the list traffic on oztori, then curse yourself when you realise it's the only mail you receive 9) you are stuck in a 20something time warp... never seeming to grow beyond that post-high school, 'what ever will i do with my life' stage 10) you actually laughed at any of this. okay, i'm off to go SLuG shopping... i actually wanna pick up vespertime or amnesiac w/ limited packaging instead, so knowing me i'll come back with absolutely no tori-goods whatsoever. l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:33:49 -0400 From: "dan@danhirning.com" Subject: RE: [oztori] Hey you, get out of my inbox 1) you are gay i thought you where straight? :) 2) your name is dan all true tori fans are dan :) 3) you find yourself intensely annoyed by the name nathan he's funny sometimes! :) 4) you think sibohan fahey is an annoying cow i don't have a clue who this person is :) (i'm sure i read something to do with Ab Fab... but...) 5) you NEVER talk about tori The irony of this statement is so true... - no list i am on do we talk about the actualy topic at hand... i talk more about tori on the ben folds list then i do on here :) 6) you associate strange words with tori - slug, earthquakes, pink, venus what about Pele?! - how could you leave that word out :) 7) you love B words: buffy, bjork, ben folds, bevan, bitching... are you sure you are really l'il dan? You left out BT??? - how could you have done that?! 8) you complain about the list traffic on oztori, then curse yourself when you realise it's the only mail you receive :)) 9) you are stuck in a 20something time warp... never seeming to grow beyond that post-high school, 'what ever will i do with my life' stage oh so true... sooooo fucking true. 10) you actually laughed at any of this. Yes, yes i did :) after just going through that list, i am wondering if it was directed at me...??? - but anyway... :) okay, i'm off to go SLuG shopping... you are no longer a member of 'tori's biggest fans' ... how could you not have SLG yet... :))) ironic... - you're the one that is going to meet her... :) i actually wanna pick up vespertime yes get this.. brilliant... or amnesiac w/ limited packaging instead, think you would have a hard time getting the limited packaging... in anycase, it sucks... It's better then the utter crap in Kid A though - must be the worst album EVER... - ok i'm sure there is worse... but still, its bad... Have fun shopping... I'm currently waiting for my lab partner to turn up - she's late as fucking usually....... might actually start without her today... or just leave... d. - -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:18:22 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... I generally agree with Dan Hirning on this one but I can see how it'd be annoying. Agree with you that bitching is unnecessary though! I often think "Does anyone except person xy care about what I'm posting?" and I think "probably not" but then sometimes I care about what other people post which is essentially just between two people, and so I just put [OT] in the subject or some other warning device. I agree that sometimes one line replies which only apply to one person exclusively are unnecessary to post to the list. I try to post those individually. ummm..... on to another topic, can we please not call strange little girls slug??!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO! That must NOT stick. SLGs, fine, SLG I prefer even (context rules out whether you're talking about the song or the album) but NOT slug................... NO! - ---------- > From: Nerida Hooykaas > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... > Date: Thursday, 20 September 2001 11:55 > > I just think that > > compiling and cutting bits from each of the emails you > > want to reply to into one big one is too much trouble. > > ok I just wanted to say....again..not one big email....that's not what I > suggested..I suggested a few normal sized emails...just makes more sense to > me is all..split it up or something...and I haven't ruled out the digest...I > was just making a suggestion =) > > there's nothing wrong with a few one-liners, it's just annoying when you get > 20 from the one person ....that's all I was saying...4 or 5 one liners is > completely different. I just meant if you are going to be replying to every > email sent to the list and its only a tiny reply, then maybe you could join > a few things into one email, rather than sending lotsa little ones. > > and if it's only directed at one person, maybe it should be sent to that > person only and not on list or something > > Neri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:23:18 +1000 From: Daniel Hirning Subject: Re[8]: [oztori] just a question... Thursday, September 20, 2001, 4:18:22 PM, li wrote: l> I often think "Does anyone except person xy care about what I'm l> posting?" and I think "probably not" but then sometimes I care l> about what other people post which is essentially just between two l> people, and so I just put [OT] in the subject or some other warning l> device. (this is long, and off topic... - so don't read it if you have a problem with that... or don't read it if you have a problem with me.. or don't read it if you just have a problem with the world and feel like bitching about every god damn f#$%#$%!#@% thing.) Can i just say... And this is just from personal observations...... I am on quite a lot of mailing lists - way to many - and I'm not pointing this out to brag - I'm pointing this out to compare... In particular to one mailing list... - it is just a group of 120 people. Its the same people that got on it on the very first day it started up. It is now almost 4 years old - no one has left, no one has came. It is run completely privately. It is a group of random people, literally, from all over the world. It is an extremely busy list - most days seeing around 200 posts. What is the *point* of this list? Initially, it was to discuss the trance music scene... But... essentially, it is about *anything* there is no rules. nada. zip. its just there to talk, discuss, have fun. People post about anything and everything, from single one liners, to great long indepth details about what they did on the weekend, or what they want to do on the coming weekend. We have no arguments. We have no disputes. No one gets called an idiot. No one gets yelled at. No one takes anything as a personal attack. No one hates anyone. This isn't to say we all agree - cause god damn it, we don't all agree - in fact, there isn't a topic ever which has came up where we all agreed... THe majority of the members have met up with fellow members at some point in time (this is more so for those in europe and america then the 3 of us in australia... - but we have all met up once) The list is, essentially, our own little community. It no longer has a topic. It is about anything. ask any question you want, and someone on there will know about it. What has made this list what it is? - what has made it one nice big happy "community" of sorts. The fact that one liners are allowed, the fact that little 'conversations' between list members are allowed *on* list. - it makes it feel like a whole little 'family' of sorts. This is how i would like oztori. - a 'community' of people, brought together because of a common obsession, but, in general, just a whole big 'family'... Maybe i just want something out of oztori that no one else does... The whole point of this... is that little 'personal' replies are good... most people are interested in the 'personal' replies - i know i am interested in reading a 'personal' reply to someone that someone has said on the list. so li, i agree 100% with you, i enjoy reading the conversation essentially between two people. l> I agree that sometimes one line replies which only apply to one l> person exclusively are unnecessary to post to the list. I try to l> post those individually. exactly, but when it is a humours comment to an individual person, i think it *should* go on the list... - IRL do you not say something to an individual person when you are in a group? Of course you do... - and the whole group laughs, has a bit of a joke about it, and life goes on. This is how a mailing list should be... - and i can guarantee you - the mailing lists that are the friendliest, and ones that last the longest are the ones that allow this. Having said that, there is definitely a place for mailing lists that are *only* on topic. but i don't think oztori is one of those lists... Perhaps a decision should be made as to whether or not oztori is ON topic, or off topic only... rather then this 'in between' like it currently is... People on this list need to lighten up IMO... - which is half the reason most of my posts are to stir trouble. annnnyway... that is just my thoughts on the subject - not that anyone cares at all, but i don't care that no one cares. l> ummm..... on to another topic, can we please not call strange l> little girls slug??!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO! That must NOT stick. I also agree with this... - not even i will say SLG is worthy of being compared to slugs.... If any animal, it could be compared to a dog... (I'm predominately a cat person... - but like the occasional nice dog :) annnyway.... it appears i have a #!$%@$^@#% computer assignment due tomorrow, which i completely forgot about... and i'm now starting to write a complete text editor (worth 30% of final mark - so its no small little project)... I think i might be doing with out my 4hrs sleep tonight :( Tori content? I need (more) time. time. time. (have i mentioned i like that song? - i think i have) I also *really* like not in love - the drums in it are fantastic (get good headphones, turn it up loud... very nice)... i've been going to write an email, subject '12 things i *like* about SLG' - its sort of half written, but i just haven't had the time to do it... so i still haven't... :) dan dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] OT: Even Aphrodite, she got nothin' on me Daniel Hirning wrote: > So what else are men suppose to do to stop being > sexist pigs? - Can > someone *please* tell me what engineers should > do to stop getting > constantly bashed in the student paper because > we are 'sexist' - > because, no female engineer i talk to can tell me > what it is we do... > > women are *not* excluded from engineering, they > are encouraged in > every way possible to do it... Well, (for the benefit of those who don't know).. In my uni course, we started with 3 guys, and I was the only one to finish (out of 70)... so 'twas quite the reverse. Anyway, I remember on *numerous* occasions, the sexist comments being made about males from some of my female LECTURERS - eg, "my husband.. blah blah blah, but he IS a man.. Apologies to the 2 gentlemen in the course". Then I remember in first year being asked flat-out by some people in the course why did I want to do speech pathology. First year health sociology tutorials on gender roles were certainly... "interesting" to say the least. Men and women are both as bad as each other. The only solution is to become a hermaphrodite. Nathan. . __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:52:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Natty Subject: Re: [oztori] hmm i thought.... > So, I apologise to everyone else on the list.. Apology accepted. Now, let it lie? I personally don't care, if I think you're sending too many emails, I'll ask you to stop. On people, move on. Or we'll have to set up a lil boxing ring in the corner for you two. Anyway, SLG. I finally got my copy of it yesterday. I got the 'happiness' cover, mainly cause the pic inside is different. I like "Rattlesnakes", "Real Men", "Raining Blood" to the rest of the ones that I liked before. And, I knew this song would grow on me. "Heart of Gold" is just so damn funky! Natty ===== - - intermission - http://www.torn-apart.net/intermission/ - - Proud Amberholic - http://amberholics.amberbenson.net - - W/A lurve - http://washippers.envy.nu __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:56:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: RE: [oztori] Hey you, get out of my inbox - --- "dan@danhirning.com" wrote: > 7) you love B words: buffy, bjork, ben folds, bevan, > bitching... > > are you sure you are really l'il dan? You left out > BT??? - how could you have done that?! OMG, how could i do that??????? AAARGH!!!! BT!!!! BT!!!!! > i actually wanna pick up vespertime > > yes get this.. brilliant... ended up w/ the hidden place single.... brilliant, yes. > > or amnesiac w/ limited packaging instead, > think you would have a hard time getting the limited > packaging... i got it!!!!!! $39!!!!! > in anycase, it sucks... It's better then the utter > crap in Kid A though - must be the worst album > EVER... - ok i'm sure there is worse... but still, > its bad... oohhh.... how could you diss Kid A? actually, it reminds me of new Bjork stuff heaps, so your comment is curious to me. > Have fun shopping... i did :) i got a free tozza poster! just asked for one at the counter and got one! impulse buy of the day was Kerrang! magazine... apparently it's just being launched in AUS or something.... l'il tozza news bulletin about Raining Blood entitled Tori Rocks! :) there was a good CD attached too, and for 6 bucks i couldn't resist... ;) l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:00:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[6]: [oztori] just a question... - --- li wrote: > ummm..... on to another topic, can we please not > call strange little girls > slug??!!!!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOO! That must NOT stick. > SLGs, fine, SLG I > prefer even (context rules out whether you're > talking about the song or the > album) but NOT slug................... NO!" why not??? slug is cute! ;) l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:06:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: Re[4]: [oztori] just a question... Nerida Hooykaas wrote: > well you can put me on ignore if you like..but, i'm > not the only one on this > list that feels this way about the emails... You sound like one of those 70-something right-wing hicksters who think immigrants should go back to their own country and "you're not the only one who feels this way." If YOU don't like it, YOU are the one with the problem. Nathan. . __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:07:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Dan Stapleton Subject: Re: Re[8]: [oztori] just a question... - --- Daniel Hirning sighed: > In particular to one mailing list... - it is > just a group of 120 people....Initially, it > was to discuss the trance music scene..." is this 'private community' open for other members? sounds cool... > This is how i would like oztori. - a 'community' > of people, brought > together because of a common obsession, but, in > general, just a whole > big 'family'... i agree, and i personally think the fuss about too much traffic is unnecesary (sp?). but i think we need to keep people happy at the same time... so i'm not sure. since 90% of our discussion is OT anyway, the one-liners etc don't seem a big deal to me... but maybe a concious effort by all the cut down on 'little e-mails', while not ruling anything out, could curb the traffic a little, while allowing anyone who wants to stick by their right to have a monster (uh, i mean, one liner) could do so. no fuss there. at the end of the day, this list is dictated by popular opinion. post as you want the list to operate, and eventually the majority feeling will shape the list anyway. / l'il dan ===== All the time I'm thinking, "If I only had a pair of wings..." - - They dress you up in white satin - And In August and Everything After, I'm after everything - - -- Counting Crows http://thedent.com/rainn.html ____________________________ __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 00:08:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] hmm i thought.... Nerida Hooykaas wrote: > bitch fighting > isn't appropriate on the list.. Says who? Nathan. . __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #164 ****************************