From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #119 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Saturday, August 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 119 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] Bitch. ["Darwin Clan" ] Re: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s ["Nerida Hooykaas" ] Re: [oztori] OT: A few things.. [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] [ozdentforums][OT][I suppose] ["li" ] Re: [oztori] More crap bi pi dan [Kate Findlay ] [oztori] OT-ish: Natty's onto a winner here [Nathan R ] [oztori] OT: George ["black-winged roses" ] RE: Re[2]: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s ["Rachael..." Subject: [oztori] Bitch. Man, and I thought people bitching about SLG/bitching about Nathan/bitching about Americans/bitching about Tori/people bitching about people bitching about SLG and Nathan and Americans and Tori were boring.... that takes the cake! Daniel "I know a lot about mp3's" Hirning quipped: * and higher bus speeds So, like, does that mean Keanu and Sandra could have played better quality mp3's in Speed? omg we just had an earthquake. oh not, it's just the washing machine....phew. OK stop reading here if you are anti-non-Tori-stuff (not that there was any tori anyways) and anti-funny-stories. My parents are both deaf, and so that they know when the doorbell rings and when the phone rings, certain lights in our house flash when either is ringing (each at different frequencies, so they're not running to the door when it's actually the phone). Anyhow, we bought a new washing machine a couple of years ago, and for some reason, whenever it goes on spin cycle those certain lights flash! It's so funny, because for a second you get up to go and get the door and then you realise "oh yeah, it's just the washing machine". Took us a while to work it out, we thought we had some major serial nick-knocker for ages..... lol. Serious!! /end seriousness ~Andrew~ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Hirning Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 5:28 PM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s Thursday, August 23, 2001, 1:38:11 AM, Zac wrote: ZA> i see mp3's as good "music to work to" stuff. not for serious ZA> listening. Zac, How do you listen to MP3s? Do you listen to them through a computer? Cause if you *do* - there is your problem with their quality. Audio output from computers sucks - it sucks really really really bad. The DAC on sound cards is an ultra cheap DAC, and I am quite certain I could design a better quality one then what is on most sound cards, plus with the internal interference etc etc not to mention the horrid circuitry employed on most sound cards, and you have one terrible sounding, high noise, non flat, restricted frequency range output. Not to mention the terrible quality power supplies, bad circuitry on the bus, higher (and higher bus speeds (and hence more and more interference) and good quality sound output becomes increasing more and more difficult/impossible. (note: you CAN get high quality audio from a computer, i'm assuming 'average' computer here - you might well have (for example) an external DAC - but i'm assuming you don't :) (note2: even the "high quality audio" from a computer is debatable) if that *is* how you listen to MP3s.... - well of course you aren't going to get high quality audio, and you will be able to hear an MP3. I have been a big follower of the LAME project for a considerable time (end of 98/early 99) and the quality increases that virtually each release gets is quite startling. When each LAME release comes out, I rip BFP* and encode it with the release, and then i decode it again and burn it back to CD and listen - - and listen and listen and listen and listen some more. (* i use BFP because it is the one album i know back the front, up side down, sideways and any other way you could know an album... - i really am a tori fan despite what ppl might be thinking as of late due to my anti-SLG comments :) I currently have 13 different BFP cds piled up labeled 'LAME xxx'... (not that i'm saying BFP is lame or anything... :)) Around LAME 3.87 (they are up to 3.9) i couldn't pick any sound quality differences anywhere with in the CD - up till that point, i could always find tiny little places in just a few spots where i could hear artifacts introduced into the recording. I am yet to find anyone who claims 'I can pick any MP3' to be able to pick a recent LAME encoded CD. and i've had a lot of ppl listen... - this topic is something i have an extreme interest in (i major in audio in elec eng, plus its just something i have a big interest in :) If you are interested, I would love to send you a CD with some original and lame encoded tracks from and see if you CAN actually pick which ones are encoded or are still the originals... - not because i don't believe you that you can't pick them - but because i would LOVE to know if you can actually pick them... I seriously doubt you could... (and of course it would be really helpful if you didn't do a frequency analysis of them to work it out - just using your ears :) to me MP3s are a audio transport medium. - and once transported and burnt onto a real CD they *are* serious listening material... they are NOT when played through your average computer though... :) ZA> okay, okay, but unfortunately i've only got a 56k pipe and a 10gb ZA> hdd. that, and i'm lazy ;) I still have my trust old netcomm 28.8..... - i'm just patient.. .and been doing it for a long time ;)) ZA> okay. i retract that comment, i wasn't thinking when i wrote it. ZA> sorry. no, no you weren't thinking :) ZA> oh, and regards headphones, sennheiser, schmennheiser. get ZA> yourself some akg k240df's .... yummo (yes, i own a pair). ZA> sensational quality. absolutely flat frequency response, 15-20000 ZA> hz. I tried them - nearly bought them (they are around the same price range as the HD570's) - i would have bought them if i didn't find the HD580s for around $20 more (on hugh discount... :)... the HD580s have a nicer sound IMO, especially on strings and piano... - its just a personal preference though... - no one likes my amp either.. (an NAD C370) mind you they are millions times better then the HD570s... and had i not found the hd580s on special, i would have ended up buying the akg ones.. :) dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 5:02 pm, 24/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:14:23 +1000 From: "Nerida Hooykaas" Subject: Re: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s To repeat the words of Natty: "Question: Who cares? Answer: No one." Neri > Thursday, August 23, 2001, 1:38:11 AM, Zac wrote: > > ZA> i see mp3's as good "music to work to" stuff. not for serious > ZA> listening. > > Zac, How do you listen to MP3s? Do you listen to them through a > computer? Cause if you *do* - there is your problem with their > quality. > and all the other bla bla crap schmapp that was written after this! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] [ozdentforums] li wrote: > And can I just get this straight: I actually like > Nathan, You DO?!!! *skips up and down the street with joy that one person on the planet actually "cares"* > its just that > this *collective* tori-slagging is a bit > inappropriate I thinks. Point taken. "I don't know what came over me, officer"... really. Musta been the wrong time of month. > This is > *NOT* the dent forum. I repeat, this is *NOT* the > dent forum. Perhaps not, but one can only aspire for it to become this... maybe not. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:45:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: A few things.. Justa Boil-on-my-bum wrote: > "I know people are reading this and thinking can't > Nathan have a > twinky and get over this?" ~ Tori Amos on the > notorious Nathan R bside > baggings. "lol"!!!!! > Actually still this day I think the most beautiful > thing I've ever > heard is Baker Baker live off the 1,000 Oceans > single. Time for a hearing test, methinks... "Don't get me wrong" (to quote Ms. Chryssie Hynde), I do like Baker Baker... just not all that keen on that particular live version. But "who am I to disagree"? Nathan. "If you don't believe in Mother Nature Then believe in digging dirt Only the knowing who rewind the tape The truth will hurt" . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:03:01 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] [ozdentforums][OT][I suppose] I do! and I don't just actually "care" thankyouverymuch, I'm one of the rarer species that actually cares. Gosh I'm so caring. - ---------- > From: Nathan R > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] [ozdentforums] > Date: Friday, 24 August 2001 21:39 > > li wrote: > > > And can I just get this straight: I actually like > > Nathan, > > You DO?!!! *skips up and down the street with joy that > one person on the planet actually "cares"* > > > > its just that > > this *collective* tori-slagging is a bit > > inappropriate I thinks. > > Point taken. "I don't know what came over me, > officer"... really. Musta been the wrong time of > month. > > > > This is > > *NOT* the dent forum. I repeat, this is *NOT* the > > dent forum. > > Perhaps not, but one can only aspire for it to become > this... maybe not. > > Nathan. > > . > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:51:58 +1000 From: Kate Findlay Subject: Re: [oztori] More crap bi pi dan well - in the tori slagging stakes - i quite like the new album - there are 3 tracks on it that i quite simply do not like - but it's a covers album and i think liking 9 out of 12 is actually quite good! Secondly - i am all for people saying they do/don't like *insert appropriate thing here* that tori does. I simply can not stand her cover of Time, or the song China - but i still love her and think she is an amazing musician etc - if i said i love everything she did i'd simply be deluding myself - and frankly i think it's a bit tragic that people run around with the idea that "tori amos can do no wrong" So a bit of healthy tori slagging is great here and there. So if a bunch of ppl on the list don't like the new direction she's gone in then it's to be expected! I'm all for healthy tori slagging if it's not just someone getting up saying she's shit (remember Jasmina's sister? that was inappropriate - someone saying they don't like song "x" isn't...) just my 0.02cents (paid on credit which will attract interest and inevitably end up costing me $9.67 in no less that 2 days) Akte ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:53:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] With a nick-knock paddywok (?), give a dog a bone... Andrew D wrote: > omg we just had an earthquake. Tori content - was it a LITTLE one? ;) > My parents are both deaf, They're bound to like SLG then... (**just kidding! I give your parents more credibility than that, Mr. D) [***OK, I'm still "kidding" here!] > and so that they know when > the doorbell rings and > when the phone rings, certain lights in our house > flash when either is > ringing As an experiment, you should see if the church bells in Upside Down and Blood Roses set them off. > Took us a while to work it out, we thought > we had some major > serial nick-knocker for ages..... lol. Serious!! OMG I haven't thought of 'nick-knocking' in YEARS!!! *suddenly brings back a few childhood memories* Nathan - "Satan" minus the 's', add 'n' and 'h'. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:56:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] ozhippies@smoe.org li wrote: > I do! > > and I don't just actually "care" thankyouverymuch, > I'm one of the rarer > species that actually cares. > > Gosh I'm so caring. Nice to see there are still some caring n' sharing folks amongst us. Nathan - off to hug a tree... well, the wood from one that was used to make my bed frame anyway. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:07:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] OT-ish: Natty's onto a winner here Nerida Hooykaas wrote: > To repeat the words of Natty: > > "Question: Who cares? > Answer: No one." That sounds like it would make a good chorus for a 'rebel against society' tune in the same vain as Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" or The Living End's "Prisoner of Society". (G)Natty, I would quickly copyright those lyrics if I were you... which, thankfully I am not ;) Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:01:21 +1000 From: "Rachael..." Subject: RE: [oztori] the never ending eeeeemails.... *sung to the tune of the neverending story* > Oh.... and before I fall asleep here.... I think Nathan's > hysterical. What a great sense of humour. *holds up a "Save Nathan" > banner* hell yeah, i agree. i've always been a nathan fan, ever since he made me a lovely tori and polly video compilation. :) racahel xxx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:56:59 +1000 From: "Darwin Clan" Subject: [oztori] *warning* this email may contain the word "Tori". Nathan so cleverly noted: > As an experiment, you should see if the church bells in Upside Down and Blood Roses set them off. Actually, and this is pretty funny, whenever I put any Tori on really loud, it sets one of my cats off. It fully goes mental attacking the couch and running around and doing other cat-crazy like things. It's always a big source of amusement for me.... In other news, I'm hungry. I'm fasting for a diabetes blood test tomorrow (eek!). In other other news, I get my stitches out tomorrow too (yay! eek!). ~HungryLittleHippoAndrew~ - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Nathan R Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 9:54 PM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: [oztori] With a nick-knock paddywok (?), give a dog a bone... Andrew D wrote: > omg we just had an earthquake. Tori content - was it a LITTLE one? ;) > My parents are both deaf, They're bound to like SLG then... (**just kidding! I give your parents more credibility than that, Mr. D) [***OK, I'm still "kidding" here!] > and so that they know when > the doorbell rings and > when the phone rings, certain lights in our house > flash when either is > ringing As an experiment, you should see if the church bells in Upside Down and Blood Roses set them off. > Took us a while to work it out, we thought > we had some major > serial nick-knocker for ages..... lol. Serious!! OMG I haven't thought of 'nick-knocking' in YEARS!!! *suddenly brings back a few childhood memories* Nathan - "Satan" minus the 's', add 'n' and 'h'. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:55:05 +1000 From: Daniel Hirning Subject: Re: [oztori] you always take the whether with ewe Friday, August 24, 2001, 6:59:28 PM, Nathan wrote: NR> Plus my regard for correct spelling/typing has gone NR> out the window given some of the shockers that have NR> appeared in some of my recent posts. you know what we could do... - *shock horror* we could just all ignore the typographic and spelling errors etc etc etc and just ignore them... how bout we have a nice big list consensus on this? how bout it ppl? - i think its a good idea - some people are quite sensitive to being told on a regular basis that their English skills suck and they aren't worthy of being on the same mailing list as 'more intelligent' people as a result of such bad English skills... So yay, from this point on - spelling and typo errors are going unmentioned.. ok? Yes? - excellent - I've just made the decision for the list... (sorry dan, I'm taking over the job of running this thing :-)) dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 6:51 am, 25/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:13:02 +1000 From: Daniel Hirning Subject: Re: [oztori] Infinite fields of temporal distortion Friday, August 24, 2001, 8:36:24 PM, ennui wrote: e> you know if you really want to go off about standing waves and the e> like the Yahoogroup 'Aus_Noise' could be your thing, if you don't e> mind me saying. well i could go into way more technical details here - but i think i have bored most of you all enough with the topic... :) and for the record - i'm on an inter-university mailing list on the topic of data and audio compression... - which serves the purpose nicely and takes enough of my time up :) e> it cannot truly reproduce the original wav I never said it could - in fact i specifically said in my first post that it is NOT an exact reproduction of the original wave. the purpose of an MP3 is to reproduce the sound in such a way that the ear can't *hear the difference* - not to be bit for bit accurate. The ear isn't perfect - MP3s use this fact to get the audio as good as needed to trick the ear. the entire point for this topic (which even i will admit has gotten a little out of hand) was zacs comments that they destroyed the sonic attributes of the original wave and that he had a 'golden ear' of sorts... - and hence provided me with a perfect candidate to try and get to distinguish some tracks :) e> I don't really think BFP is the best test of an encoder, some e> really complex audio creation which uses subsonic harmonics would e> be more appropriate methinks. Yes you are spot on, which is why I also use an audio hifi testing CD which has various strange algorithmic sounds on it to test things such as this (as well as lots of others) - i don't use it as often as BFP because it isn't the most interesting thing to listen to - but i do encode it at times :) The reason I *do* use BFP is for a couple of reasons - 1) i know it better then i know any other single CD i own. 2) there is a million and one little subtle sounds in there that are very tricky for an mp3 to encode without introducing artefacts or to chop them out completely - - this is why as the LAME project gets new psycho-acoustic algorithms, the quality of the final audio is becoming more and more "perfect". 3) its a lot more complicated to encode then you might well think then say something like 'britney spears best of' :) i also do use a couple of other CDs as well, but I was just pointing out that i use BFP in general to test it. e> wow! you're a creepy psycho again you're exactly right. dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 6:57 am, 25/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:25:50 +1000 From: Daniel Hirning Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s Friday, August 24, 2001, 9:14:23 PM, Nerida wrote: NH> To repeat the words of Natty: NH> "Question: Who cares? NH> Answer: No one." well thankfully quite a huge number of people DO care about such topics - maybe not on oztori, but definitely in the general population. - the email was specifically addressed to zac - it was sent to the list for the simple fact that other people on the list might have had a vague interest - and i didn't feel it was off topic to warrant a private post (being about audio/music in general) and the fact that OT posts aren't generally regarded as 'bad' on this list. Having said all that - i do find it extremely rude on your part to have such little respect/regard for something which i spend a hell of a lot of time researching/studying and which i will ultimately get a job in the field of (admittedly most likely making poor compression algorithms and the like in comparison to the open source public domain projects... but they all need the initial capital income to get the whole initial methods rolling - but i digress) Obviously it went completely over your head, but how can you have such little respect for the topic in the first place? - whether ( - got it right :) you understand it or have no interest in it is all fine and dandy, but WITHOUT people having interests in things such as 'pointless' and lacking a care factor you missy wouldn't be sitting there reading this email on your computer screen, you wouldn't be able to pop in your little beloved tori amos CDs and listen to them - hell you wouldn't even have a fucking light bulb in your fucking house (if you had a house at all) Plus data compression in quite a huge research area at the moment - because whether you like it or not its used daily. Most songs you listen to on the radio are just MP3s, digital tv is a form of digital compression and while you might not care about the quality of such things - a lot of 'general/normal' people do... - so perhaps you could try and have some respect for fields of interest outside your own "finger in your arse" little world. and just like you used a quote to get your message across, so will i - and it will even be a tori quote just to get that whole tori content back into the email and to add some 'care' factor to the email. "BITCH!" dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 7:13 am, 25/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:32:34 +1000 From: Daniel Hirning Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] the never ending eeeeemails.... *sung to the tune of the neverending story* Friday, August 24, 2001, 11:01:21 PM, Rachael... wrote: >> Oh.... and before I fall asleep here.... I think Nathan's >> hysterical. What a great sense of humour. *holds up a "Save Nathan" >> banner* R> hell yeah, i agree. i've always been a nathan fan, ever since he made me a R> lovely tori and polly video compilation. :) i to will also stick up for nathan (though at the moment i think i am even more disliked then he is). While he has never done anything nice for me... (hint hint.. :) his posts have always have a nice bit of sadistic humour to them - which i like - i hate to admit this, but i think i would get along quite well with him IRL... (if he would get along with me is another story entirely :) so yes, makes a new 'three person' banner and hands one end to rachael and the other end to whoever said it firstly (sorry, i must have missed the post and i'm too tired to look :) - and 'proudly' holds up the nice new big shiny 'save nathan' banner... :) Friday, August 24, 2001, 9:56:43 PM, Nathan wrote: NR> Nice to see there are still some caring n' sharing NR> folks amongst us. I'm caring! - really i am! - i'm way to caring some would say ... but thats still caring.. annnyway, i'm going to bed - and i think i have posted enough and got enough people to hate me for one day... soooo 'night' one and all - have fun today at the tori parties!!! dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 7:27 am, 25/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:27:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] OT: National "Save Nathan" day... Daniel Hirning wrote: Some ppl wrote: > >> Oh.... and before I fall asleep here.... I think > Nathan's > >> hysterical. What a great sense of humour. *holds > up a "Save Nathan" > >> banner* > > R> hell yeah, i agree. i've always been a nathan > fan, ever since he made me a > R> lovely tori and polly video compilation. :) > > i to will also stick up for nathan (though at the > moment i think i am > even more disliked then he is). *sheds a sentimental tear*... How nice it is to know that one is appreciated... As for being more hated than me (or should that be "I"?), all I can say is.. "congrats". > While he has never done anything nice for me... > (hint hint.. :) > his > posts have always have a nice bit of sadistic humour > to them - which i > like - i hate to admit this, but i think i would > get along quite well > with him IRL... Particularly if you possess a nice bit of complementary (sp?) masochistic humour ;) > (if he would get along with > me is another story > entirely :) Oh c'mon! I'd love to hear you waffle on about audio compression, pie-making and the like for hours, as I gaze into your eyes across a dimly candle-lit table. Or something. > so yes, makes a new 'three person' banner and hands > one end to rachael > and the other end to whoever said it firstly > (sorry, i must have > missed the post and i'm too tired to look :) - and > 'proudly' holds up > the nice new big shiny 'save nathan' banner... :) Do I get to run through the banner, ala AFL grand-final? (gasp! Nathan actually knows something about football)... Tori content - I do remember Tori being into football around the release of Boys For Pele. Nathan. "I don't think you're ready for dis jelly My body too bootylicious for ya babe" (lol... gotta love the complete disregard for proper pronunciation/grammar in those lyrics!) . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 2001 15:55:01 -0700 From: Zac Ariel Subject: [oztori] this is really beginning to get seriosly ot.. On Fri, 24 August 2001, Daniel Hirning wrote: > > Thursday, August 23, 2001, 1:38:11 AM, Zac wrote: > > ZA> i see mp3's as good "music to work to" stuff. not for serious > ZA> listening. > > Zac, How do you listen to MP3s? Do you listen to them through a > computer? Cause if you *do* - there is your problem with their > quality. > > if that *is* how you listen to MP3s.... - well of course you aren't > going to get high quality audio, and you will be able to hear an MP3. if i'm "listening", i'll use a mac g4, w/ a digidesign sound card, using the digital outs going to external apogee uv22 a-to-d's, straight in to a pair of powered tannoy dual concentric nearfield monitors. now, *that's* listening. if i'm webdesigning (i.e., most of the time) i use a pc w/ a shittyshittyshitty sb live. such is my reasoning for "music to work to". > ZA> oh, and regards headphones, sennheiser, schmennheiser. get > ZA> yourself some akg k240df's .... yummo (yes, i own a pair). > ZA> sensational quality. absolutely flat frequency response, 15-20000 > ZA> hz. glad to see you have good taste in headphones *grin* ... yer, i agree the sennheisers sound "nicer", but that's not useful in a studio situation. such is the reason i bought them. > personal preference though... - no one likes my amp either.. (an NAD > C370) bah. phooey to them. nad make lovely amps ;) zac ================================================== zac ariel - web junkie m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@bit.net.au p/w: zac.home.dhs.org b/w: www.level21.net ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 09:43:48 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] the full orchestra Well we alllllllll know tori would sound great with a full orchestra, but I think Concertina would sound awesome with some real strings. Especially the beginning bit. Listen to it, its easy to imagine...... - ---------- > From: Zac Ariel > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: [oztori] this is really beginning to get seriosly ot.. > Date: Saturday, 25 August 2001 8:55 > > On Fri, 24 August 2001, Daniel Hirning wrote: > > > > > Thursday, August 23, 2001, 1:38:11 AM, Zac wrote: > > > > ZA> i see mp3's as good "music to work to" stuff. not for serious > > ZA> listening. > > > > Zac, How do you listen to MP3s? Do you listen to them through a > > computer? Cause if you *do* - there is your problem with their > > quality. > > > > > > if that *is* how you listen to MP3s.... - well of course you aren't > > going to get high quality audio, and you will be able to hear an MP3. > > if i'm "listening", i'll use a mac g4, w/ a digidesign sound card, using the digital outs going to external apogee uv22 a-to-d's, straight in to a pair of powered tannoy dual concentric nearfield monitors. > > now, *that's* listening. > > if i'm webdesigning (i.e., most of the time) i use a pc w/ a shittyshittyshitty sb live. such is my reasoning for "music to work to". > > > > ZA> oh, and regards headphones, sennheiser, schmennheiser. get > > ZA> yourself some akg k240df's .... yummo (yes, i own a pair). > > ZA> sensational quality. absolutely flat frequency response, 15-20000 > > ZA> hz. > > glad to see you have good taste in headphones *grin* ... yer, i agree the sennheisers sound "nicer", but that's not useful in a studio situation. such is the reason i bought them. > > > personal preference though... - no one likes my amp either.. (an NAD > > C370) > > bah. phooey to them. nad make lovely amps ;) > > zac > > ================================================== > zac ariel - web junkie > m: 0414 229 299 e: zac@bit.net.au > p/w: zac.home.dhs.org b/w: www.level21.net > ================================================== ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 02:20:15 +0000 From: "black-winged roses" Subject: [oztori] OT: George Hi all. I was just wondering if anyone else feels that George is the next Tori? I've heard a couple of her (their?) songs and I think I may get the CD. Has anyone else heard of her (them?)? Does she have a CD out? *************** "God is dead, Marx is dead and I'm not feeling too good either" http://www.geocities.com/sarahvox - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:40:57 +1000 From: "Rachael..." Subject: RE: Re[2]: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s i have to agree with what Daniel's said here. 70% of the stuff that this topic is on i have no idea about, but im learning something by reading it. and it's interesting to boot. rachael xxxx - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oztori@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oztori@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Daniel Hirning Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2001 7:26 AM To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: Re[2]: [oztori] Re[2]: OT: Sonic attributes of MP3s Friday, August 24, 2001, 9:14:23 PM, Nerida wrote: NH> To repeat the words of Natty: NH> "Question: Who cares? NH> Answer: No one." well thankfully quite a huge number of people DO care about such topics - maybe not on oztori, but definitely in the general population. - the email was specifically addressed to zac - it was sent to the list for the simple fact that other people on the list might have had a vague interest - and i didn't feel it was off topic to warrant a private post (being about audio/music in general) and the fact that OT posts aren't generally regarded as 'bad' on this list. Having said all that - i do find it extremely rude on your part to have such little respect/regard for something which i spend a hell of a lot of time researching/studying and which i will ultimately get a job in the field of (admittedly most likely making poor compression algorithms and the like in comparison to the open source public domain projects... but they all need the initial capital income to get the whole initial methods rolling - but i digress) Obviously it went completely over your head, but how can you have such little respect for the topic in the first place? - whether ( - got it right :) you understand it or have no interest in it is all fine and dandy, but WITHOUT people having interests in things such as 'pointless' and lacking a care factor you missy wouldn't be sitting there reading this email on your computer screen, you wouldn't be able to pop in your little beloved tori amos CDs and listen to them - hell you wouldn't even have a fucking light bulb in your fucking house (if you had a house at all) Plus data compression in quite a huge research area at the moment - because whether you like it or not its used daily. Most songs you listen to on the radio are just MP3s, digital tv is a form of digital compression and while you might not care about the quality of such things - a lot of 'general/normal' people do... - so perhaps you could try and have some respect for fields of interest outside your own "finger in your arse" little world. and just like you used a quote to get your message across, so will i - and it will even be a tori quote just to get that whole tori content back into the email and to add some 'care' factor to the email. "BITCH!" dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com 7:13 am, 25/08/2001 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:16:26 +0000 From: "black-winged roses" Subject: [oztori] New layout for Tori Amos:Fae Light I've redone the layout to my Tori website. I just wanted to know what everyone else thought about it. Some constructive critisism? I put it into Star fucker reviews but they haven't written back. It's at http://www.geocities.com/sarahvox/tori/ *************** "God is dead, Marx is dead and I'm not feeling too good either" http://www.geocities.com/sarahvox - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:59:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Will you drink goat's blood with me? After making up a stupid pretend tracklist with really dumb/simple titles for the new Kylie album (eg, "Dance All Night", "Your Place") for a friend who likes her, this is what he writes back - a fake PJ Harvey tracklist, which I found side-splittingly funny! > 1. the misery, the pain > 2. i'm stuck in blackness > 3. she hated her father > 4. what's the point? > 5. we were doomed from the start > 6. will you drink goat's blood with me? > 7. what's the point? (remix) > 8. AHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhggggghhhhhhhh > 9. blackness is best > 10. so many shades of grey > 11 (hidden track) - sounds of strangulation. LMAO!!! *snort* Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #119 ****************************