From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #117 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 01 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you ["Hill, Renee" ] [oztori] You took my love, you took my money, you took my sex [Nathan R <] RE: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart ["Hill, Renee" ] RE: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart [Nathan R ] [oztori] you can turn dust into champagne [=?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?] Re: [oztori] Strange Little Britney ["li" ] Re: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart ["li" ] Re: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you ["li" ] [oztori] B-sides the point, really [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] You took my love, you took my money, you took my sex ["li" <] [oztori] Wish Tori had covered this for SLG... [Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you and here in my head & mary.... - -----Original Message----- From: Natty [mailto:velvet_hologram@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 14:25 To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: Re: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you Oh picky, picky. Fine. Good 'Tori wrote the song' b-sides: Cooling, Frog on my Toe, Honey, Sugar, Graveyard, The Pool, Purple People, Bachelorette, Upside Down. There. Natty ===== - - intermission - http://www.torn-apart.net/intermission/ - - Proud Amberholic - http://amberholics.amberbenson.net - - W/A lurve - http://washippers.envy.nu Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] So tied up, you don't know how she came Dylan Plant wrote: > I just have to say this: > The Kylie song rocks!!! I just can't get you out of > my head... > The video clip kicks arse...I love the dancing in > it...and yes there is > boobage, OMG I initially read that as "bondage"! ;) ...and then got all disappointed when I realised that I read it wrong :( Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:40:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart She who is called Michelle splurted: > Well, the song's Tori's using are good songs... > Britney's songs suck from > the word go. I'd rather listen to "...Baby One More Time" than Tori's cover of "Enjoy The Silence". Maybe. > The other good thing about Brits is how absolutely > hilarious she is... my > sister had her first album, and was unimpressed when > I fell about on the > floor laughing after discovering one of the songs > was called 'E-mail my > heart'... I thought Brits looked cool wearing the glasses and chewing the gum at the start of the "(You Drive Me) Crazy" clip. Not a million words apart from Tori's "New Age" character, actually. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] You took my love, you took my money, you took my sex > YES. There is a huge bloody difference. Britney does > hers for money. Tori makes $$ out of her releases as well. If she really *didn't* want the money, she wouldn't be signed to a major record deal, and would probably still be playing gay bars in the states, or putting on occasional shows for mom n' dad in her living room. Or be in some Kate Bush tribute band ;) > Tori does hers to make a > *statement*. Britney's music makes a statement. She is putting forth a great message for the kids of "go to church, don't have sex until you're married, and wear slutty clothes if you want." Is that *really* any less valid than Tori's message of "piss off the church, hump the piano stool, and use datura if you want"? > If you can't figure that out, then you musn't > understand Tori's perspective of making music. Just because I don't necessarily worship everything Tori does/says (only 99% of it) doesn't mean that I don't "understand" Tori's perspective of making music. Can *anyone* "understand" Tori's perspective on making Y Kant Tori Read? > And, > you may as well get yourself a copy of one of > Britney's albums while you're getting SLG. What makes you think I don't own them already? ;) (okay, well actually I don't). I've never really said that I wouldn't *like* SLG... Just that I don't think it's going to be this "mindblowingly original, radical concept" that some people think it's going to be. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:05:17 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart Nathan R typed: I thought Brits looked cool wearing the glasses and chewing the gum at the start of the "(You Drive Me) Crazy" clip. Not a million words apart from Tori's "New Age" character, actually. Actually, I can't stand that film clip for one reason alone: Melissa Joan Hart. She is such a freaking SMG try-hard. She bothers me. She tries so hard to be cool, but she just can't pull it off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 21:58:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] issues Daniel Stapleton wrote: > you have serious issues, Nathan. how anyone can say > Samurai, Sister named Desire are crap is beyond me! > listen to the talula single w/ talula, frog, sister > and alamo and tell me they don't make a whole heap > of > sense. OK - "they don't make a whole heap of sense" ;) Actually I like Alamo and Frog On My Toe... Just have issues w/ SND. > here piano is fucking gorgeous. i just find > it > weird that you could see those songs as so > inferior... > on the same level as the happy Worker? geez... You're right... SND is not on the same level as The Happy Worker... The Happy Worker is HEAPS better! ;) Nathan. "connosoir butterfly collector you're a living legend in your head" . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:01:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: RE: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart "Hill, Renee" wrote: > Actually, I can't stand that film clip for one > reason alone: Melissa Joan > Hart. She is such a freaking SMG try-hard. She > bothers me. She tries so hard > to be cool, but she just can't pull it off. Is she the chick from Sabrina or some other such show? Yeah, she was annoying in that clip. Tori relevance? - none whatsoever. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:28:38 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Bevan=20Burkin?= Subject: [oztori] you can turn dust into champagne OMG - some hero mentioned bachelorette - how i've forgotten about this beauty! yay go tori. re my subject line, i think thats what tori has done with these new songs. . . . (happy ennui?) poor Mr R, everybody is ganging up on you. here is a dummy, i'm sure your just dying to spit it. here. in this spitoon. i'm an agent orange supporter as well! (dan 1, 2 or 3) other b-sides that rock: Honey, Black Swan, Upside Down, Purple People . . . (oops) well, heck, all of them. and OH MY GOD don't diss the live album - anything but that! i just love space dog on this - too delicious. somebody asked whats your fave tori album: I DON'T KNOW - never been able to make this decision. but for today - venus live, still orbiting and my least (for today) - venus orbiting (weird huh) most respected - pele bye for now bevan - - Find the perfect gift for your Dad for Father's Day ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:22:10 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] Strange Little Britney Just thought I'd say I LOVE agent orange. - ---------- > From: Dan Stapleton > To: Nathan R ; oztori@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [oztori] Strange Little Britney > Date: Thursday, 23 August 2001 23:31 > > Neri said: > > > I also highly doubt the rumours that are > > circulating > > > about Tori doing this > > > to get out of her contract with Atlantic. > > WOOHOO! I think i started that rumour! hehehe > > Now you are about to be shot, Nathan. He said: > > > You only have to look through some of her previous > > releases to learn that Tori has put out some "crap" > > in > > her time... > > > > Samurai > > Amazing Grace/Til the Chicken > > This Old Man > > Sister Named Desire > > The Waitress > > The live TVAB disc (ouch, did I just say that?) > > The Happy Worker > > Agent Orange > > about 99% of the remixes > > you have serious issues, Nathan. how anyone can say > Samurai, Sister named Desire are crap is beyond me! > listen to the talula single w/ talula, frog, sister > and alamo and tell me they don't make a whole heap of > sense. here piano is fucking gorgeous. i just find it > weird that you could see those songs as so inferior... > on the same level as the happy Worker? geez... > > i won't bother trying to defend agent orange cos i > seem to be the only person who likes that song. > > danny > > ===== > It's been a while - since I could say that I wasn't addicted - It's been a while - Since I could say I loved myself as well - It's been a while - Since I've gone and fucked things up, just like I always do - It's been a while - But all that shit seems to disappear when I'm with you ---- (Staind) > > ____________________________ > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:34:15 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart > I'd rather listen to "...Baby One More Time" than > Tori's cover of "Enjoy The Silence". Maybe. Then go and fucking listen to it! Go sign up to a goddamn Britney Spears list! Argh, you're giving me the shits boy. > I thought Brits looked cool wearing the glasses and > chewing the gum at the start of the "(You Drive Me) > Crazy" clip. Not a million words apart from Tori's > "New Age" character, actually. Again. If you really prefer it that much, watch *it* instead............................. next time you're bored go to www.britney.com and complain ABOUT THAT instead of going to www.thedent.com and complaining about THAT (presuming you saw new age pic there...) Argh. How did you suddenly get so irritating!?? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:29:59 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you sugar...here in my head..... - ---------- > From: Natty > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [oztori] Whenever I'm alone with you > Date: Friday, 24 August 2001 14:25 > > Oh picky, picky. Fine. Good 'Tori wrote the song' > b-sides: > > Cooling, Frog on my Toe, Honey, Sugar, Graveyard, The > Pool, Purple People, Bachelorette, Upside Down. > > There. > > Natty > > ===== > - intermission - > http://www.torn-apart.net/intermission/ > - Proud Amberholic - > http://amberholics.amberbenson.net > - W/A lurve - > http://washippers.envy.nu > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:18:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] B-sides the point, really Zac wrote: > since we're being so precise, since when does a song > being a cover preclude it from being a b-side? "We didn't say that!" (to quote a long-forgotten Daphne & Celeste album title)... > a > (loose) definition of a b-side is a song which is > included on a single/ep (in which the "a-side" is > from an album) and said song is not on the same > album. Not strictly so. Sometimes the song on the 'b-side' (when singles were on vinyl and there really *were* proper "b-sides") is also on the album. > generally, it is also accepted that a rare > song which is not from an album is attributed as a > "b-side". whether it is a 'studio' recording or not, > so long as it is/was an official release, is > irrelevant. Yes, but Lovesong has never had an official release. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:36:27 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] You took my love, you took my money, you took my sex > Just because I don't necessarily worship everything > Tori does/says (only 99% of it) doesn't mean that I > don't "understand" Tori's perspective of making music. > Can *anyone* "understand" Tori's perspective on making > Y Kant Tori Read? you *act* like you detest 99% of it. What is up with that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] Wish Tori had covered this for SLG... OMG look at what's on Rage just after 3:30am on Sunday morning: Girl You Know It's True - Milli Vanilli Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:38:16 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart hey, calm down.... deeeeeep breaths. we're all friends here and nathan probably revels in this - the easiest way to stop his annoying you in such big ways, is to stop biting back at him... - -----Original Message----- From: li [mailto:brites@zip.com.au] Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 16:34 To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: Re: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart > I'd rather listen to "...Baby One More Time" than > Tori's cover of "Enjoy The Silence". Maybe. Then go and fucking listen to it! Go sign up to a goddamn Britney Spears list! Argh, you're giving me the shits boy. > I thought Brits looked cool wearing the glasses and > chewing the gum at the start of the "(You Drive Me) > Crazy" clip. Not a million words apart from Tori's > "New Age" character, actually. Again. If you really prefer it that much, watch *it* instead............................. next time you're bored go to www.britney.com and complain ABOUT THAT instead of going to www.thedent.com and complaining about THAT (presuming you saw new age pic there...) Argh. How did you suddenly get so irritating!?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:39:03 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] B-sides the point, really Nathan wrote: "We didn't say that!" (to quote a long-forgotten Daphne & Celeste album title)... Somebody seems to know an awful lot about trashy pop music........... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ but I can see that star when she twinkles and she twinkles and I sure can that means I sure can ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:40:16 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] Wish Tori had covered this for SLG... is that the one that goes "girl i'm gonna miss ya..." - -----Original Message----- From: Nathan R [mailto:nathanisoncrack@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, 24 August 2001 16:29 To: oztori@smoe.org Subject: [oztori] Wish Tori had covered this for SLG... OMG look at what's on Rage just after 3:30am on Sunday morning: Girl You Know It's True - Milli Vanilli Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:43:44 +1000 From: "Nerida Hooykaas" Subject: Re: [oztori] e-mail oztori my heart nathan said: > > I'd rather listen to "...Baby One More Time" than > > Tori's cover of "Enjoy The Silence". Maybe. li said in reply to what nathan said: > Then go and fucking listen to it! Go sign up to a goddamn > Britney Spears list! Argh, you're giving me the shits boy. Neri says: YEAH!!! sock it to him!! =P Then Nathan said: > > I thought Brits looked cool wearing the glasses and > > chewing the gum at the start of the "(You Drive Me) > > Crazy" clip. Not a million words apart from Tori's > > "New Age" character, actually. and Li replied: > Again. If you really prefer it that much, watch *it* > instead............................. next time you're bored go to > www.britney.com and complain ABOUT THAT instead of going to www.thedent.com > and complaining about THAT (presuming you saw new age pic there...) > > Argh. How did you suddenly get so irritating!?? haha...suddenly get irritating? Nathan has always been irritating..he IS the resident bitch ya know =P Neri ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 23:45:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Natty Subject: Re: [oztori] You took my love, you took my money, you took my sex - --- Nathan R wrote: > > YES. There is a huge bloody difference. Britney > does > > hers for money. > > Tori makes $$ out of her releases as well. If she > really *didn't* want the money, she wouldn't be > signed > to a major record deal, and would probably still be > playing gay bars in the states, or putting on > occasional shows for mom n' dad in her living room. > Or be in some Kate Bush tribute band ;) Der shit. > > Tori does hers to make a > > *statement*. > > Britney's music makes a statement. She is putting > forth a great message for the kids of "go to church, > don't have sex until you're married, and wear slutty > clothes if you want." > > Is that *really* any less valid than Tori's message > of > "piss off the church, hump the piano stool, and use > datura if you want"? Sure, she may have said that, but Tori's said a lot of valid things, moreso than Britney. And Tori knows that people are gonna do what they want. You can say 'no no no' all you want, and people are still gonna do it if they've got their minds set on it. And, most of Tori's music is written by herself, unlike Ms Spears. And she's a helluva lot smarter. > > If you can't figure that out, then you musn't > > understand Tori's perspective of making music. > > Just because I don't necessarily worship everything > Tori does/says (only 99% of it) doesn't mean that I > don't "understand" Tori's perspective of making > music. You could have fooled me. > Can *anyone* "understand" Tori's perspective on > making > Y Kant Tori Read? > > > > And, > > you may as well get yourself a copy of one of > > Britney's albums while you're getting SLG. > > What makes you think I don't own them already? ;) > (okay, well actually I don't). > > > I've never really said that I wouldn't *like* SLG... > Just that I don't think it's going to be this > "mindblowingly original, radical concept" that some > people think it's going to be. Never thought it, never said it. Natty ===== - - intermission - http://www.torn-apart.net/intermission/ - - Proud Amberholic - http://amberholics.amberbenson.net - - W/A lurve - http://washippers.envy.nu Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #117 ****************************