From: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org (oztori-digest) To: oztori-digest@smoe.org Subject: oztori-digest V1 #91 Reply-To: oztori@smoe.org Sender: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oztori-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oztori-digest Friday, August 3 2001 Volume 01 : Number 091 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [oztori] OT - Star Trek fan survey ["Lavenda" ] [oztori] OT - Dido ["Elissa Chrystal" ] [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert ["Angela Ho" ] [oztori] warning: even *worse* trader alert! ;) [Nathan R ] Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert ["li" ] Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert ["li" ] Re: [oztori] OT - Dido [AndrewR ] [oztori] Trade Wars: The Return of the Tori [AndrewR ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:22:47 +1000 From: "Lavenda" Subject: [oztori] OT - Star Trek fan survey Want to have your say on Trek? Here's your chance... http://www.kheris.net/ X Lavs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 07:25:23 From: "Elissa Chrystal" Subject: [oztori] OT - Dido I'm all for the group idea , much more fun:) I hope she plays at the Enmore!!!! Elissa Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 11:39:14 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] OT - Dido I don't know how many people from various places in Oz are Dido fans, but hows about we all group and go together? I'm definately up for a sydney show!!! If she's going "intimate" i'd be thinking she'll play at the state theatre or, even better, the enmore. Dan ;) - - --- Darwin Clan wrote: > Hi everyone! > >I read in the newspaper that Dido is touring here in >August!! Yippee!!! >She's apparently opted to go for a more "personal" >and up close sort of >tour, only playing in small venues. Two shows >announced for Melbourne... >yay! > >~Andrew~ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:24:54 +0800 From: "Angela Ho" Subject: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert hi, just a little suggestion to anyone here that if you plan on trading with "Elissa Chrystal" (elistar81@hotmail.com), i personally wouldn't recommend it. over the past month, she claims to have sent me 3 packages, and i have not received any of them, which is particularly disappointing as i sent out my half of the trade about a month ago. i have a lot of trouble believing that she may have had a bad run with lost packages etc, so the only other conclusion i can think of is that she never sent them. and i have definitely given her plenty of time to send them -- i have already received a package from a trade i set up in america last week, and the australian postal service should be much quicker. esp as i noticed during our correspondence that she told me a few fibs earlier as well (such as how she was heading out of town on a thursday, yet she contacted me on the friday, and the date that she arrived back from holiday seemed to change too). sorry to bore with the details, but i do not like to make unfounded accusations against people. if there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for this, elissa is free to defend herself. angela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:39:46 GMT From: katefindlay@goanna.net.au Subject: [oztori] Re: OT: warning -- bad trader alert Hey Angela and everyone. I am just gonna say in Elissa's defence - she has been moving house for the past month and a half and has been in an out of contact with the world since. I know her - and she is DEFINITELY not a shady person to deal with! She has given me sooooooo much stuff over the time i have known her and has not asked for anything in return - and won't accept anything in return most of the time! I know she has dealt with other people on this list - and i know there have been no other problems there. I also know she's been trading on various Sarah McLachlan, NIN, Jewel and other lists for a few years now and i know she has always had a good record. So i'm not sure what's going on in this particular case - but i just had to defend someone who i *know* would not intentionally rip someone off... Kate --- "give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 22:44:52 +0800 From: "Angela Ho" Subject: [oztori] Re: OT: warning -- bad trader alert fair enough kate . . . its hard to know what to think when someone has told you they have sent you stuff 3 times (first package apparently sent out last month on the 7th -- i kept the e-mail) and none of it has turned up?? i don't mind if someone is slow in trading as long as they are honest. thanks, angela - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Angela Ho" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 10:39 PM Subject: Re: OT: warning -- bad trader alert > Hey Angela and everyone. > > I am just gonna say in Elissa's defence - she has been moving house for the > past month and a half and has been in an out of contact with the world > since. I know her - and she is DEFINITELY not a shady person to deal with! > She has given me sooooooo much stuff over the time i have known her and has > not asked for anything in return - and won't accept anything in return most > of the time! I know she has dealt with other people on this list - and i > know there have been no other problems there. I also know she's been trading > on various Sarah McLachlan, NIN, Jewel and other lists for a few years now > and i know she has always had a good record. So i'm not sure what's going on > in this particular case - but i just had to defend someone who i *know* > would not intentionally rip someone off... > > Kate > --- > "give me life, give me pain, give me myself again" - Tori Amos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:35:25 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert Hi all... Just in Elissa's defence...I've never had any trading problems with her...She even sent me a fiona apple video out of the kindness of her heart without a reciprocation of the trade...so maybe it really is lost in the mail...or something... Dan - --- Angela Ho wrote: > hi, > > just a little suggestion to anyone here that if you > plan on trading with > "Elissa Chrystal" (elistar81@hotmail.com), i > personally wouldn't recommend > it. > > over the past month, she claims to have sent me 3 > packages, and i have not > received any of them, which is particularly > disappointing as i sent out my > half of the trade about a month ago. i have a lot of > trouble believing that > she may have had a bad run with lost packages etc, > so the only other > conclusion i can think of is that she never sent > them. and i have definitely > given her plenty of time to send them -- i have > already received a package > from a trade i set up in america last week, and the > australian postal > service should be much quicker. esp as i noticed > during our correspondence > that she told me a few fibs earlier as well (such as > how she was heading out > of town on a thursday, yet she contacted me on the > friday, and the date that > she arrived back from holiday seemed to change too). > > sorry to bore with the details, but i do not like to > make unfounded > accusations against people. if there is a perfectly > reasonable explanation > for this, elissa is free to defend herself. > > angela ===== one false move, and you're dead, ah... Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:56 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert Same here - Elissa sent me not only the item we were trading, but a cd she had compiled of Tori b-sides n stuff, just as an extra present. So I don't know what your deal is, Angela, but I don't think this would be Elissa's fault. > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel [mailto:handsomecabinboy@yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 8:35 > To: Angela Ho; oztori@smoe.org > Cc: elistar81@hotmail.com > Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > > > Hi all... > Just in Elissa's defence...I've never had any trading > problems with her...She even sent me a fiona apple > video out of the kindness of her heart without a > reciprocation of the trade...so maybe it really is > lost in the mail...or something... > Dan > > --- Angela Ho wrote: > hi, > > > > just a little suggestion to anyone here that if you > > plan on trading with > > "Elissa Chrystal" (elistar81@hotmail.com), i > > personally wouldn't recommend > > it. > > > > over the past month, she claims to have sent me 3 > > packages, and i have not > > received any of them, which is particularly > > disappointing as i sent out my > > half of the trade about a month ago. i have a lot of > > trouble believing that > > she may have had a bad run with lost packages etc, > > so the only other > > conclusion i can think of is that she never sent > > them. and i have definitely > > given her plenty of time to send them -- i have > > already received a package > > from a trade i set up in america last week, and the > > australian postal > > service should be much quicker. esp as i noticed > > during our correspondence > > that she told me a few fibs earlier as well (such as > > how she was heading out > > of town on a thursday, yet she contacted me on the > > friday, and the date that > > she arrived back from holiday seemed to change too). > > > > sorry to bore with the details, but i do not like to > > make unfounded > > accusations against people. if there is a perfectly > > reasonable explanation > > for this, elissa is free to defend herself. > > > > angela > > ===== > one false move, and you're dead, > ah... > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 11:59:25 +1000 From: Justa Boi Subject: [oztori] Eek! Kinda sorta OT. lol I was just reading the last digest and well I couldn't help but notice that there were no humorous remarks from Nathan of the Nathan R fame. I must ask myself if he read the idea of Tori, Tina, Cher and Cher's vocoder teaming up to record and promptly died. I certainly hope not. Meanwhile it's Friday, my day off and it's so boring. lol. Mind you after reading the digest I was reminded of the one thing I haven't done yet this week - watch Buffy which I taped on so many nights ago. Of course now I know how it ends... *glares* although this might be a good thing, it would be an unusual occurence for something I started taping to be taped from start to finish without one of the roommates feeling the need to press stop or start taping lateline *cringe* I still can't believe I missed the season finale of Charmed. Oh well at least I have someone to blame for that. **evil kind of laugh goes here** Justa Boi ("if that is your real name!") __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:22:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Nathan R Subject: [oztori] warning: even *worse* trader alert! ;) *cough* I'm not going to mention names b/c he knows who he is ;) In other news.. Rage is playing an all female special this Sat'dy nite (wow - their annual quota of female muzak). They're playing "Glory of the 80's" by Tori. Grrrrrrr - how typical they pick one of her worst songs/videos. Other vids of interest being played: Mandinka - Sinead O'Connor Luka - Suzanne Vega People Have the Power - Patti Smith [or, as I prefer, "PIT-BULL have the power ;)" Boys In Town - Divinyls [!] Hammer Horror - Kate Bush [!! - never seen Rage play this before] Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun - Julie Brown ;) Dare I say this.. the rest is a bit.. um, predictable. I wish they would vary these things just *slightly* from time to time. Nathan. . Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:46:08 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: [oztori] totally pointless, but... i'm getting my SLG sampler this afternoon! eeeeeeeeeee! very excited. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:40:28 +1000 From: "Nerida Hooykaas" Subject: Re: [oztori] totally pointless, but... ohhhhh we all KNOW that you just wanted to rub it in Renee *pokes out her tongue* =P LOL Neri =8O) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hill, Renee To: Aussie Ears With Feet (E-mail) Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:46 PM Subject: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > i'm getting my SLG sampler this afternoon! eeeeeeeeeee! very excited. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 19:53:58 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] totally pointless, but... well, although it will looks special, it's nothing that we haven't all heard, y'know? so it isn't THAT special... if it was the album, THEN that would be special. Which (and here is the gloating part ;) I should be getting in the next week or two! > -----Original Message----- > From: Nerida Hooykaas [mailto:neri@froggy.com.au] > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 12:40 > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > ohhhhh we all KNOW that you just wanted to rub it in Renee > *pokes out her > tongue* =P > > LOL > > Neri =8O) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Hill, Renee > To: Aussie Ears With Feet (E-mail) > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:46 PM > Subject: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > > i'm getting my SLG sampler this afternoon! eeeeeeeeeee! > very excited. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:47:56 +1000 From: "Nerida Hooykaas" Subject: Re: [oztori] totally pointless, but... Well poo you! *makes note to self that she needs to get a job like Renee's* hee hee =P - ----- Original Message ----- From: Hill, Renee To: 'Nerida Hooykaas' ; Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:53 PM Subject: RE: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > well, although it will looks special, it's nothing that we haven't all > heard, y'know? so it isn't THAT special... if it was the album, THEN that > would be special. Which (and here is the gloating part ;) I should be > getting in the next week or two! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nerida Hooykaas [mailto:neri@froggy.com.au] > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 12:40 > > To: oztori@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > > > > ohhhhh we all KNOW that you just wanted to rub it in Renee > > *pokes out her > > tongue* =P > > > > LOL > > > > Neri =8O) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hill, Renee > > To: Aussie Ears With Feet (E-mail) > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:46 PM > > Subject: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > > > > > i'm getting my SLG sampler this afternoon! eeeeeeeeeee! > > very excited. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:52:26 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: [oztori] don't mind nathan, but... hi all! nathan's post got me all disappointed about rage chick nite...but then I read the list and got all excited. here are some MORE highlights : Single Girl - LUSH My Sister - Juliana Hatfield Three Divine Hammer - The Breeders [fave breeders clip!] Naked Eye - Luscious Jackson [this song is SEX-Y!...man can Jill and Viv MOOOOVE!] Legend Of A Cowgirl - Imani Coppola Hieronymus - The Clouds [I had a feeling we'd see some Clouds in there] Feed The Tree - Belly [YAY!] Summertime - The Sundays B-Line - Lamb Sweet 69 - Babes In Toyland [although I think they played this one last time] Bright Yellow Gun - Throwing Muses [I asked for this on the Rage guestbook! yay!] Spawn - George Thank U - Alanis Morissette Bitter - Jill Sobule Homecoming Queen's Got A Gun - Julie Brown as well as Mr. R's suggestions too [yay Hammer Horror!] as well as the 'standards' it seems of Beth Orton and Bjork and Garbage and Hole. As much as I love all four of them, there are only so many times you can fast forward through "Venus As A Boy", "Vow", "Stolen Car" and "Celebrity Skin" without getting sick of even fast forwarding them. But I'll never get sick of Big Time Sensuality, Central Reservation or Violet. You can hold me to that ;) And as for Tori's turn out? Exceedingly disappointing... poker poker donimoker Dan ;) ===== one false move, and you're dead, ah... Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 03:53:19 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Daniel?= Subject: RE: [oztori] totally pointless, but... Yes, she already rang me to gloat! *G* Dan ;) - --- "Hill, Renee" wrote: > well, although it will looks special, it's nothing > that we haven't all > heard, y'know? so it isn't THAT special... if it was > the album, THEN that > would be special. Which (and here is the gloating > part ;) I should be > getting in the next week or two! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nerida Hooykaas [mailto:neri@froggy.com.au] > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 12:40 > > To: oztori@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > > > > ohhhhh we all KNOW that you just wanted to rub it > in Renee > > *pokes out her > > tongue* =P > > > > LOL > > > > Neri =8O) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Hill, Renee > > To: Aussie Ears With Feet (E-mail) > > > Sent: Friday, August 03, 2001 12:46 PM > > Subject: [oztori] totally pointless, but... > > > > > > > i'm getting my SLG sampler this afternoon! > eeeeeeeeeee! > > very excited. ===== one false move, and you're dead, ah... Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 03:06:43 From: "Elissa Chrystal" Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert Hi All I am really sorry I have to post this to the list but I would like everyone to know that I am NOT a bad trader like Angela has described. For anyone that knows me personally or has has traded with me will know that I always send my trades back within a few days that I receive them, if there is a delay I always email. Angela I did send you emails but you claimed that you did not receive them ( it is not my fault if hotmail stuffs up). Angela I re-sent your package on Monday the 30th of July for the second time (not the third, as you have stated in your email). I have the receipt for the postage I can send it to you if you want - since you say I am a liar. Angela I didn't realize I had to have your permission to go on holidays. Apart from the fact that I am in the middle of moving house, plus my mother is very ill, I put time aside to do your tapes. Thank you so much Dan and Renee for your defense. Not only are you guys great friends, but I know who to trade with in the future. Sorry again for having to put this on the list but I wanted you all to know that I AM a good trader and I AM extremely hurt with Angela's email. Thanks Guys Elissa >From: "Hill, Renee" >To: oztori@smoe.org >CC: elistar81@hotmail.com >Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:56 -0700 > >Same here - Elissa sent me not only the item we were trading, but a cd she >had compiled of Tori b-sides n stuff, just as an extra present. So I don't >know what your deal is, Angela, but I don't think this would be Elissa's >fault. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Daniel [mailto:handsomecabinboy@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 8:35 > > To: Angela Ho; oztori@smoe.org > > Cc: elistar81@hotmail.com > > Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > > > > > > Hi all... > > Just in Elissa's defence...I've never had any trading > > problems with her...She even sent me a fiona apple > > video out of the kindness of her heart without a > > reciprocation of the trade...so maybe it really is > > lost in the mail...or something... > > Dan > > > > --- Angela Ho wrote: > hi, > > > > > > just a little suggestion to anyone here that if you > > > plan on trading with > > > "Elissa Chrystal" (elistar81@hotmail.com), i > > > personally wouldn't recommend > > > it. > > > > > > over the past month, she claims to have sent me 3 > > > packages, and i have not > > > received any of them, which is particularly > > > disappointing as i sent out my > > > half of the trade about a month ago. i have a lot of > > > trouble believing that > > > she may have had a bad run with lost packages etc, > > > so the only other > > > conclusion i can think of is that she never sent > > > them. and i have definitely > > > given her plenty of time to send them -- i have > > > already received a package > > > from a trade i set up in america last week, and the > > > australian postal > > > service should be much quicker. esp as i noticed > > > during our correspondence > > > that she told me a few fibs earlier as well (such as > > > how she was heading out > > > of town on a thursday, yet she contacted me on the > > > friday, and the date that > > > she arrived back from holiday seemed to change too). > > > > > > sorry to bore with the details, but i do not like to > > > make unfounded > > > accusations against people. if there is a perfectly > > > reasonable explanation > > > for this, elissa is free to defend herself. > > > > > > angela > > > > ===== > > one false move, and you're dead, > > ah... > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 12:38:03 +0800 (WST) From: Angela Ho Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert i just want to clarify (if anyone cares) that i have NOT fabricated any of the information in my original post, since it also affects my reputation. in particular: > Angela I re-sent your package on Monday the 30th of July for the second time > (not the third, as you have stated in your email). I have the receipt for > the postage I can send it to you if you want - since you say I am a liar. i have forwarded a copy of the e-mail i got from elissa (to her) in which she claimed to send me some CDs (dated July 7th), which totals 3 postages. so anyway that's it from me. as i said, there may be a reasonable explanation for all this, but i won't make any more conclusions. thanks and sorry about all this. angela ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 21:51:55 -0700 From: "Hill, Renee" Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert perhaps you, Angela, can now sort this out in your own time? thanks. > -----Original Message----- > From: Angela Ho [mailto:angelaho@chem.uwa.edu.au] > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 14:38 > To: Elissa Chrystal > Cc: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > > > i just want to clarify (if anyone cares) that i have NOT > fabricated any of > the information in my original post, since it also affects my > reputation. > in particular: > > > Angela I re-sent your package on Monday the 30th of July > for the second time > > (not the third, as you have stated in your email). I have > the receipt for > > the postage I can send it to you if you want - since you > say I am a liar. > > i have forwarded a copy of the e-mail i got from elissa (to > her) in which > she claimed to send me some CDs (dated July 7th), which > totals 3 postages. > > so anyway that's it from me. as i said, there may be a reasonable > explanation for all this, but i won't make any more conclusions. > > thanks and sorry about all this. > > angela ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 05:32:41 From: "Elissa Chrystal" Subject: [oztori] OT - Dido Hey all Hope this hasn't already been posted Just letting all you Dido fans know that tickets go on sale on the 13th of August YAY!!! Elissa _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:09:51 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert Does this have to become a bitch fight? Can't you just put it down to a misunderstanding? Don't take sides people, its rude. And hurtful. - ---------- > From: Elissa Chrystal > To: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > Date: Friday, 3 August 2001 13:06 > > Hi All > > I am really sorry I have to post this to the list but I would like everyone > to know that I am NOT a bad trader like Angela has described. > > For anyone that knows me personally or has has traded with me will know that > I always send my trades back within a few days that I receive them, if there > is a delay I always email. > Angela I did send you emails but you claimed that you did not receive them ( > it is not my fault if hotmail stuffs up). > > Angela I re-sent your package on Monday the 30th of July for the second time > (not the third, as you have stated in your email). I have the receipt for > the postage I can send it to you if you want - since you say I am a liar. > > Angela I didn't realize I had to have your permission to go on holidays. > Apart from the fact that I am in the middle of moving house, plus my mother > is very ill, I put time aside to do your tapes. > > Thank you so much Dan and Renee for your defense. Not only are you guys > great friends, but I know who to trade with in the future. > > Sorry again for having to put this on the list but I wanted you all to know > that I AM a good trader and I AM extremely hurt with Angela's email. > > > Thanks Guys > Elissa > > > >From: "Hill, Renee" > >To: oztori@smoe.org > >CC: elistar81@hotmail.com > >Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > >Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:56 -0700 > > > >Same here - Elissa sent me not only the item we were trading, but a cd she > >had compiled of Tori b-sides n stuff, just as an extra present. So I don't > >know what your deal is, Angela, but I don't think this would be Elissa's > >fault. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Daniel [mailto:handsomecabinboy@yahoo.com] > > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 8:35 > > > To: Angela Ho; oztori@smoe.org > > > Cc: elistar81@hotmail.com > > > Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > > > > > > > > > Hi all... > > > Just in Elissa's defence...I've never had any trading > > > problems with her...She even sent me a fiona apple > > > video out of the kindness of her heart without a > > > reciprocation of the trade...so maybe it really is > > > lost in the mail...or something... > > > Dan > > > > > > --- Angela Ho wrote: > hi, > > > > > > > > just a little suggestion to anyone here that if you > > > > plan on trading with > > > > "Elissa Chrystal" (elistar81@hotmail.com), i > > > > personally wouldn't recommend > > > > it. > > > > > > > > over the past month, she claims to have sent me 3 > > > > packages, and i have not > > > > received any of them, which is particularly > > > > disappointing as i sent out my > > > > half of the trade about a month ago. i have a lot of > > > > trouble believing that > > > > she may have had a bad run with lost packages etc, > > > > so the only other > > > > conclusion i can think of is that she never sent > > > > them. and i have definitely > > > > given her plenty of time to send them -- i have > > > > already received a package > > > > from a trade i set up in america last week, and the > > > > australian postal > > > > service should be much quicker. esp as i noticed > > > > during our correspondence > > > > that she told me a few fibs earlier as well (such as > > > > how she was heading out > > > > of town on a thursday, yet she contacted me on the > > > > friday, and the date that > > > > she arrived back from holiday seemed to change too). > > > > > > > > sorry to bore with the details, but i do not like to > > > > make unfounded > > > > accusations against people. if there is a perfectly > > > > reasonable explanation > > > > for this, elissa is free to defend herself. > > > > > > > > angela > > > > > > ===== > > > one false move, and you're dead, > > > ah... > > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:10:59 +1000 From: "li" Subject: Re: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert And I think that was unnecessarily bitchy. Lets just all be friends! - ---------- > From: Hill, Renee > To: 'Angela Ho' > Cc: oztori@smoe.org > Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > Date: Friday, 3 August 2001 14:51 > > perhaps you, Angela, can now sort this out in your own time? thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Angela Ho [mailto:angelaho@chem.uwa.edu.au] > > Sent: Friday, 3 August 2001 14:38 > > To: Elissa Chrystal > > Cc: oztori@smoe.org > > Subject: RE: [oztori] OT: warning -- bad trader alert > > > > > > i just want to clarify (if anyone cares) that i have NOT > > fabricated any of > > the information in my original post, since it also affects my > > reputation. > > in particular: > > > > > Angela I re-sent your package on Monday the 30th of July > > for the second time > > > (not the third, as you have stated in your email). I have > > the receipt for > > > the postage I can send it to you if you want - since you > > say I am a liar. > > > > i have forwarded a copy of the e-mail i got from elissa (to > > her) in which > > she claimed to send me some CDs (dated July 7th), which > > totals 3 postages. > > > > so anyway that's it from me. as i said, there may be a reasonable > > explanation for all this, but i won't make any more conclusions. > > > > thanks and sorry about all this. > > > > angela ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:02:50 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: Re: [oztori] OT - Dido At 05:32 3/08/2001, Elissa Chrystal wrote: >Hey all > >Hope this hasn't already been posted > >Just letting all you Dido fans know that tickets go on sale on the 13th of >August YAY!!! > >Elissa So WILL there be a Brisbane show!?! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:08:43 +1000 From: AndrewR Subject: [oztori] Trade Wars: The Return of the Tori At 16:09 3/08/2001 +1000, li wrote: >Does this have to become a bitch fight? Can't you just put it down to a >misunderstanding? > >Don't take sides people, its rude. And hurtful. I agree that it has become unnecessary to argue over it now... at least the two sides EXIST! I've seen a few 'trade' problems on newsgroups... and it seems like the second person NEVER appears to actually exist - that would be a scary situation. So at least oztori could bring the two parties together and they can start a dialogue... ;o) "Didn't we used to be Explorers" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2001 16:26:57 +1000 From: "Daniel Hirning" Subject: RE: [oztori] rage speaking of rage.... the rocking the suburbs video (ben folds new single) done by Weird Al will be the first song on rage tonight (friday) at something like 11.30 or something.... just in case anyone cares.... also, the bff concert is in newtown to night.... and i'm not going.. :(((( instead i'm fucking working :(( so now i can't even go and stand outside and pray i could sneak in :(((( live sucks. dan. dan@danhirning.com www.danhirning.com ------------------------------ End of oztori-digest V1 #91 ***************************