From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V9 #59 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, October 4 2007 Volume 09 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: I was kinda expecting this.... ["Porl" ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... [CVG ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... [Michael Holt ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... ["Porl" ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... ["Joe Brady" ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... ["Joe Brady" ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... [asgarciapl@aol.com] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... ["Steve & Cindy Meyer" ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... [CVG ] Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... [Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:23:06 +0100 From: "Porl" Subject: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very well in the ears of those perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' ting....However her first sentence shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing about music and performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and I'd expect there to be a lot who don't, you can't please all of the people all of the time) the one thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice is as on an individual par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Freddie Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his voice is as individual and as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, even though she don't like the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't qualified to be in the position of judging this piece of work. And "previous solo effort"???? there was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well she's done her research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, well that really wasn't designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose hehehe.... Anyhoos here it is.... Justin Currie - What Is Love For? Release date: 8th October 2007 Label: Ryko Rating: 1/5 Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty spectacular voice. It's a shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo offering, 'What Is Love For?' because it might have lifted the album out of the insipid territory it meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice thing is all just a ruse. Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who churned out a few hits in the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his previous solo effort and well, it seems has came to a standstill with this new record. Nothing here is original or particularly well executed. There are lots of strings (apparently they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite sax solos and clunking piano. And though perhaps a personal album for Currie, it reeks of insincerity and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as gentle, that euphemism everyone uses these days when they mean boring. One song stands out and even then for the wrong reason- that it plods on unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. 'No Surrender' is an epic song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, with Currie socially commenting over them telling us nothing we did not know already about the state of society. Incidentally, the strings are supposed to give it credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, "your useless contribution will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to put a lyric like that on album of such vapid calibre. Claire Gilligan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:32:45 -0400 From: CVG Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Where is this from? I realize I'm not the perfect grammarsmith (check my first sentence with a preposition at the end), but the review is very poorly written. CVG On 10/3/07, Porl wrote: > > Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very well in the ears of > those > perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' ting....However her first > sentence > shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing about music and > performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and I'd expect there to be > a > lot who don't, you can't please all of the people all of the time) the one > thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice is as on an > individual > par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Freddie > Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his voice is as individual > and > as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, even though she don't > like > the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't qualified to be in the > position of judging this piece of work. And "previous solo effort"???? > there > was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well she's done her > research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, well that really wasn't > designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose hehehe.... > Anyhoos here it is.... > > > Justin Currie - What Is Love For? > Release date: 8th October 2007 > Label: Ryko > Rating: 1/5 > > Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty spectacular voice. It's > a > shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo offering, 'What Is Love > For?' because it might have lifted the album out of the insipid territory > it > meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice thing is all just a > ruse. > > Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who churned out a few hits > in > the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his previous solo effort and > well, > it seems has came to a standstill with this new record. Nothing here is > original or particularly well executed. There are lots of strings > (apparently > they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite sax solos and clunking > piano. And though perhaps a personal album for Currie, it reeks of > insincerity > and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as gentle, that euphemism > everyone uses these days when they mean boring. > > One song stands out and even then for the wrong reason- that it plods on > unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. 'No Surrender' is an > epic > song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, with Currie socially > commenting over them telling us nothing we did not know already about the > state of society. Incidentally, the strings are supposed to give it > credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, "your useless > contribution > will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to put a lyric like that > on > album of such vapid calibre. > > Claire Gilligan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:38:16 +1000 (EST) From: Michael Holt Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Me thinks Claire Gilligan could benefit from a stickectomy... - --- Porl wrote: > Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very > well in the ears of those > perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' > ting....However her first sentence > shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing > about music and > performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and > I'd expect there to be a > lot who don't, you can't please all of the people > all of the time) the one > thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice > is as on an individual > par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, > Roy Orbison, Freddie > Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his > voice is as individual and > as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, > even though she don't like > the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't > qualified to be in the > position of judging this piece of work. And > "previous solo effort"???? there > was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well > she's done her > research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, > well that really wasn't > designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose > hehehe.... > Anyhoos here it is.... > > > Justin Currie - What Is Love For? > Release date: 8th October 2007 > Label: Ryko > Rating: 1/5 > > Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty > spectacular voice. It's a > shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo > offering, 'What Is Love > For?' because it might have lifted the album out of > the insipid territory it > meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice > thing is all just a ruse. > > Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who > churned out a few hits in > the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his > previous solo effort and well, > it seems has came to a standstill with this new > record. Nothing here is > original or particularly well executed. There are > lots of strings (apparently > they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite > sax solos and clunking > piano. And though perhaps a personal album for > Currie, it reeks of insincerity > and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as > gentle, that euphemism > everyone uses these days when they mean boring. > > One song stands out and even then for the wrong > reason- that it plods on > unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. > 'No Surrender' is an epic > song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, > with Currie socially > commenting over them telling us nothing we did not > know already about the > state of society. Incidentally, the strings are > supposed to give it > credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, > "your useless contribution > will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to > put a lyric like that on > album of such vapid calibre. > > Claire Gilligan > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 22:55:15 +0100 From: "Porl" Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... It's from here... http://themusicmagazine.co.uk/page.php?id=111 and here is a nice big version of the artwork http://991.com/newGallery/Justin-Currie-What-Is-Love-For-416096.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: CVG To: Porl Cc: oppositeview@smoe.org Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 10:32 PM Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Where is this from? I realize I'm not the perfect grammarsmith (check my first sentence with a preposition at the end), but the review is very poorly written. CVG On 10/3/07, Porl wrote: Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very well in the ears of those perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' ting....However her first sentence shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing about music and performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and I'd expect there to be a lot who don't, you can't please all of the people all of the time) the one thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice is as on an individual par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Freddie Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his voice is as individual and as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, even though she don't like the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't qualified to be in the position of judging this piece of work. And "previous solo effort"???? there was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well she's done her research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, well that really wasn't designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose hehehe.... Anyhoos here it is.... Justin Currie - What Is Love For? Release date: 8th October 2007 Label: Ryko Rating: 1/5 Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty spectacular voice. It's a shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo offering, 'What Is Love For?' because it might have lifted the album out of the insipid territory it meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice thing is all just a ruse. Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who churned out a few hits in the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his previous solo effort and well, it seems has came to a standstill with this new record. Nothing here is original or particularly well executed. There are lots of strings (apparently they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite sax solos and clunking piano. And though perhaps a personal album for Currie, it reeks of insincerity and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as gentle, that euphemism everyone uses these days when they mean boring. One song stands out and even then for the wrong reason- that it plods on unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. 'No Surrender' is an epic song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, with Currie socially commenting over them telling us nothing we did not know already about the state of society. Incidentally, the strings are supposed to give it credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, "your useless contribution will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to put a lyric like that on album of such vapid calibre. Claire Gilligan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:07:55 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... What a XXXX. I'm gonna find out who she writes for. R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Michael Holt To: Porl , oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 07:38:16 +1000 (EST) >Me thinks Claire Gilligan could benefit from a >stickectomy... > > >--- Porl wrote: > > > Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very > > well in the ears of those > > perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' > > ting....However her first sentence > > shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing > > about music and > > performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and > > I'd expect there to be a > > lot who don't, you can't please all of the people > > all of the time) the one > > thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice > > is as on an individual > > par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, > > Roy Orbison, Freddie > > Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his > > voice is as individual and > > as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, > > even though she don't like > > the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't > > qualified to be in the > > position of judging this piece of work. And > > "previous solo effort"???? there > > was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well > > she's done her > > research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, > > well that really wasn't > > designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose > > hehehe.... > > Anyhoos here it is.... > > > > > > Justin Currie - What Is Love For? > > Release date: 8th October 2007 > > Label: Ryko > > Rating: 1/5 > > > > Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty > > spectacular voice. It's a > > shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo > > offering, 'What Is Love > > For?' because it might have lifted the album out of > > the insipid territory it > > meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice > > thing is all just a ruse. > > > > Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who > > churned out a few hits in > > the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his > > previous solo effort and well, > > it seems has came to a standstill with this new > > record. Nothing here is > > original or particularly well executed. There are > > lots of strings (apparently > > they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite > > sax solos and clunking > > piano. And though perhaps a personal album for > > Currie, it reeks of insincerity > > and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as > > gentle, that euphemism > > everyone uses these days when they mean boring. > > > > One song stands out and even then for the wrong > > reason- that it plods on > > unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. > > 'No Surrender' is an epic > > song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, > > with Currie socially > > commenting over them telling us nothing we did not > > know already about the > > state of society. Incidentally, the strings are > > supposed to give it > > credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, > > "your useless contribution > > will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to > > put a lyric like that on > > album of such vapid calibre. > > > > Claire Gilligan > > > > > > Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. >http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Got a favourite clothes shop, bar or restaurant? Share your local knowledge with BackOfMyHand.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend wrote it. I always wonder why critics even bother to write about something they obviously hate so much. I've never NOT bought something that I was going to buy simply because it got a bad review. Even if I was on the fence about an album, I'd check for clips online before taking the word of a so called "expert." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 23:34:08 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... claire.gilligan@themusicmagazine.co.uk I can feel a email coming on. Anybody care to join me? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) >Sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend wrote it. > >I always wonder why critics even bother to write about something they obviously hate so much. I've never NOT bought something that I was going to buy simply because it got a bad review. Even if I was on the fence about an album, I'd check for clips online before taking the word of a so called "expert." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The next generation of Hotmail is here - Windows Live Hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Dave Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Take the high road Joe. Or ask her why she mistakenly filled her review of James Blunt with references to Justin. Joe Brady wrote: claire.gilligan@themusicmagazine.co.uk I can feel a email coming on. Anybody care to join me? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Oct 2007 19:02:34 -0400 From: asgarciapl@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... nice one Dave... I already sent TMM a reply to ole Gilligan's review...I really hope they don't pay her for crap like that!! Alex - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brady To: davesills@sbcglobal.net; oppositeview@smoe.org Sent: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 4:34 pm Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... claire.gilligan@themusicmagazine.co.uk I can feel a email coming on. Anybody care to join me? -------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Dave To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) >Sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend wrote it. > >I always wonder why critics even bother to write about something they obviously hate so much. I've never NOT bought something that I was going to buy simply because it got a bad review. Even if I was on the fence about an album, I'd check for clips online before taking the word of a so called "expert." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The next generation of Hotmail is here - Windows Live Hotmail ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 17:26:37 -0500 From: "Steve & Cindy Meyer" Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... I thought the same thing. What kind of grammar (especially for a magazine) is "it seems has came to a standstill." (??) Cindy - ----- Original Message ----- From: "CVG" To: "Porl" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 4:32 PM Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... > Where is this from? > > I realize I'm not the perfect grammarsmith (check my first sentence with a > preposition at the end), but the review is very poorly written. > > CVG > > > On 10/3/07, Porl wrote: >> >> Hmm I was kinda expecting the album not to do very well in the ears of >> those >> perhaps not used to JC's regular tort o' ting....However her first >> sentence >> shows that she's either deaf or doesn't know a thing about music and >> performing. Even if you don't like these songs (and I'd expect there to >> be >> a >> lot who don't, you can't please all of the people all of the time) the >> one >> thing you have to say is that you can hear his voice is as on an >> individual >> par to very extrordinary voices like Johnny Cash, Roy Orbison, Freddie >> Mercury.....not saying he sounds like them but his voice is as individual >> and >> as comanding as those voices are. And to miss that, even though she don't >> like >> the songs, is well, evidence that she really isn't qualified to be in the >> position of judging this piece of work. And "previous solo effort"???? >> there >> was no previous solo effort, so it shows how well she's done her >> research.....and if she's talking about the UDS, well that really wasn't >> designed to do well. That wasn;t it's purpose hehehe.... >> Anyhoos here it is.... >> >> >> Justin Currie - What Is Love For? >> Release date: 8th October 2007 >> Label: Ryko >> Rating: 1/5 >> >> Apparently Justin Currie is the owner of a pretty spectacular voice. It's >> a >> shame he didn't put it to some use on his new solo offering, 'What Is >> Love >> For?' because it might have lifted the album out of the insipid territory >> it >> meanders aimlessly in. However, I suspect the voice thing is all just a >> ruse. >> >> Once the singer of Scottish outfit Del Amitri who churned out a few hits >> in >> the mid-90s, Currie faltered greatly with his previous solo effort and >> well, >> it seems has came to a standstill with this new record. Nothing here is >> original or particularly well executed. There are lots of strings >> (apparently >> they are the mark of a mature artist), some trite sax solos and clunking >> piano. And though perhaps a personal album for Currie, it reeks of >> insincerity >> and music-by-numbers. It can't even be described as gentle, that >> euphemism >> everyone uses these days when they mean boring. >> >> One song stands out and even then for the wrong reason- that it plods on >> unflinchingly for seven minutes and forty seconds. 'No Surrender' is an >> epic >> song: string soaked with eeking cellos and violin, with Currie socially >> commenting over them telling us nothing we did not know already about the >> state of society. Incidentally, the strings are supposed to give it >> credibility. He sings on the aforementioned track, "your useless >> contribution >> will be remembered" -it's just asking for trouble to put a lyric like >> that >> on >> album of such vapid calibre. >> >> Claire Gilligan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 16:01:54 -0700 From: "Ted Lehman" Subject: OV: RE: I was kinda expecting this.... I dunno, sounds kinda like something Justin might write about himself... Ted Lehman Tempe, AZ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 19:22:16 -0400 From: CVG Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... *an* email, not *a *email!! she'll never take you seriously that way! Hahahahaha :D - -cvg On 10/3/07, Joe Brady wrote: > > claire.gilligan@themusicmagazine.co.uk > > > > I can feel a email coming on. > > Anybody care to join me? > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > From: Dave > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... > Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2007 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT) > >Sounds like a bitter ex-girlfriend wrote it. > > > >I always wonder why critics even bother to write about something > they obviously hate so much. I've never NOT bought something that I > was going to buy simply because it got a bad review. Even if I was on > the fence about an album, I'd check for clips online before taking > the word of a so called "expert." > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > The next generation of Hotmail is here - Windows Live Hotmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:11:23 +0200 From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de Subject: Re: OV: I was kinda expecting this.... Well, I'd say music isn't about voices, instruments and good ideas. It's about taste, and you cannot blame someone for not liking an album. Yeah, even if it's Del Amitri, we have to accept that the world out there is not ready for this kind of music, or else Justin would be a millionaire by now. ;-) I've never given a shit about reviews - especially those I disliked. :-) Dirk ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V9 #59 *********************************