From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V6 #74 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, June 28 2004 Volume 06 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OV: Music's dead - it's official [Andrew Douglas ] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V6 #73 ["Reid and Susan Gardner" Subject: Re: OV: Music's dead - it's official Have to agree with you on alot of that stuff, although I'd hardly have called the dels groundbreaking stuff!!! I'd say they were pretty much populist rock and played it "safe". I'm so disappointed the bbc haven't played anything from the Wilco set, I've trawled the beeb website and can find nothing but a vague reference to them being there. I'm going on hols on Wed and will miss their gig in Ireland. For me they're one band who really doesn't play it safe, to paraphrase Jeff Tweedy about YHF - "They're our songs, we can write them and them tear them apart if we want to." Andy P.S. Anyone live in Barbados on this list, or at least going to be there 1st-16th July???? Going with my family - parents 40th wedding anniversary - I've a feeling 'll need a drinking buddy!!! On Saturday, June 26, 2004, at 06:15PM, wrote: >Anyone been watching/listening to the bleedin' godamn awful Glastonbury this weekend which is proving all that is all currently and, let's not mess about, f**ked about with music. > >Oasis may, and should have been, the best tribute act in the business but have carried on 5 years too long. I couldn't even be bothered to watch the Glastonbury headline this weekend but everything, media or independent, confirms they bombed. R.I.P. Gallagher boys. > >The fact I wasn't bothered to go out of my way to see them says a lot too. Their last gig in Cardiff 2-3 years ago already proved they were on their way down. > >As for Glasto, if Paul McCartney is Saturday's headline artist - a legacy his songs undoubtedly are - it underlines the a problem. > >The only populist rock music these days is "safe" - I'm talking about Coldplay, Starsailor, Keane & co. The Welsh groups - although partly due to being in their prime - have shown that too. > >Having just come back from America and two weeks earfull of the less than average Hoobastank, or should it be Hoobastuuk, or the rest of the assorted crap that fills rock radio - and it;s better there than here, believe me, it6's no better anywhere else. > >The exciting groups such as The Strokes just can't cut it in the big arena - having seen them play in arenas as diverse as Clwb Ifor (a small 200 capacity Welsh club), Birmingham Academy (upto 1,500 capacity) and their hugely disappointing Cradiff CIA gig last Xmas (now 7,000), I should know. > >Super Furries are a brilliant live group but will never breakthrough and get their dues. > >OK, I'm getting on but I just don't believe there is anyone or anything around today to match my youth idols - that's why The Clash will forever be revered, The Damned, SLF, Buzzcocks, Stranglers and Co still gig. Ian Dury, Joy Division/New Order. Smiths/Morrisey and the Ska revoloution will always live within those of us who were there. The Yank groups like Ramones, New York Dolls, Tubes and DEVO (ok, not many like them or remember them but they're still my heroes) are still revered. > >I love what Muse are about, Idlewild could/should have been bigger but Franz Ferdinand are this month's thing and will do well to still be talked about by the Autumn - they won't. > >I'm sure I've missed loads but I've had to get pissed to get over Glasto tonight which makes Euro'2004 football/soccerseem interesting by comparison when we all know that's as boring as f**k! Apart from England being crap again and I can't wait til Wales get them at Old Trafford in October = not soon enough. > >John Peel - what a guy - doesn't give away what he must be feeling looking at this year's effort, does he? He disappeared early. Let's Knight him, he's affected my life more than any politician ever has .. and then some. > >The Red Hot Chillis played my hometown this week ... luckily I was in US. the local rag was praiseworthy but they, and my mates, talk about their "simple entertaining" set. That's the problem, isn't it? Music, more than ever, is about simple music for simple people with simple shows with no imagination or great effort, isn't it? > > >Jeez, I just brushed this list and everyone appears to be discussing Fountains of Wayne. Q.E.D. without a doubt. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 21:44:59 -0400 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: Music's dead - it's official >The only populist rock music these days is "safe" - I'm talking about >Coldplay, Starsailor, Keane & co. The Welsh groups - although partly due to >being in their prime - have shown that too. Curious: why do you call Coldplay "populist"? In the U.S. they became absolutely trendy and I find them a bit pretentious. >OK, I'm getting on but I just don't believe there is anyone or anything >around today to match my youth idols - that's why The Clash will forever be >revered, The Damned, SLF, Buzzcocks, Stranglers and Co still gig. Ian Dury, >Joy Division/New Order. Smiths/Morrisey and the Ska revoloution will always >live within those of us who were there. The Yank groups like Ramones, New >York Dolls, Tubes and DEVO (ok, not many like them or remember them but >they're still my heroes) are still revered. Who doesn't like or remember these guys? It's true: I do snicker (or want to crawl under a rock) when I see the fashions I wore back in the '80's, but it was really an era of musical innovation and I saw some kick ass shows when I was a teenager in New York. It's a new climate and not so much fun out there these days. ...or maybe I'm just getting old and don't know where to find the action..... rw ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 06:51:12 -0400 From: "Reid and Susan Gardner" Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V6 #73 Hello Nigel, nice to see you here again! I must agree with your assessment of the current music scene... I've found some bands I'm quite fond of but only one (Switchfoot) is heard often on the radio over here. The other bands were seen first at live gigs and may honestly never achieve the top 40 list but they brighten my world just the same... come to think of it, I'd start to worry if they DID break the top 40. After an appropriate period of mourning the demise of Del Amitri, I've begun listening to them again particularly 'Change Everything' and that greatest hits double cd set. They were magnificent, weren't they?? TTFN Susan - ----- Original Message ----- > OV: Music's dead - it's official [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:15:57 -0400 > From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com > Subject: OV: Music's dead - it's official > > Anyone been watching/listening to the bleedin' godamn awful Glastonbury this weekend which is proving all that is all currently and, let's not mess about, f**ked about with music.... ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V6 #74 *********************************