From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #182 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, December 20 2003 Volume 05 : Number 182 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: http://beautifulzueri.blogspot.com/ ["Joe Brady" ] RE: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back ["Rachel Wifall" ] RE: OV: http://beautifulzueri.blogspot.com/ ["Rachel Wifall" ] Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back [debbsc67 ] Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back [Edward Minton ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:03:19 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: OV: http://beautifulzueri.blogspot.com/ This is Del Related.....Scroll down and try to spot it.... R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Subscribe to MSN 8 today for a better internet experience and save over 25% on the ususal price! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:39 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back Here here. You may be doing "manuel" labor, but you have got a silver pen. rw >From: "Alessandro Campobassi (//Home)" >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:45:57 +1100 > >Most enjoyable email I've read on OV for months... >Thanks Ed. > > >// Alessandro > > >Quoting Edward Minton : > > > Hi Susan- > > Hope you're doing well. Is the light good for > > painting, this time of year in Georgia? > > The Chicago Convention was in November of '98, I > > think. And yeah, I miss getting daily posts from that > > group of folks, but then, when the band quits playing, > > what's left to talk about? > > I think the reason why I was so attracted to those > > early 90's del Amitri albums had a lot to do with my > > perception that the songs and arrangements and > > instrumentation were very traditional, and to me, > > seemed to owe a stylistic debt to the Beatles and > > Stones and early '70's Van Morrison and Rod Stewart > > albums. The nod to the band's Scottish heritage in > > the form of mandolins and fiddles and accordians was a > > charming touch, too. > > Maybe I was way off the mark, maybe not. I still > > think that the best songs from WH, CE, Twisted and > > SOSP display good-old songwriting and a certain pride > > and humility in the crafsmanship of playing and > > singing well, and those are things that never go out > > of style. It's just a new tune that comes next. It > > occurs to me that artists like Martin Taylor, Albert > > Lee, and Van Morrison have made respectable careers > > for themselves persuing those humble, timeless > > qualities. I think that if Justin were to forget the > > popstar BS and occupy himself likewise, things would > > take care of themselves. One thing about it though, a > > successful musician is going to have to live out of > > his suitcase, which is something Justin seems loathe > > to do. > > Bottom line for me is, the dels were the last great > > rock and roll to come out of the UK. > > As far as negativity and sarcasm goes, I've got a > > taste for the stuff. Even though my friend Manuel > > Labor tells me that "the world, she ain't gon' last > > forever!", and the Rev. Billy Graham recently said > > that "if the Lord doesn't return soon, he'll have to > > apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah...", I think there's > > still plenty of time left for the bullet. > > Actually, one of the reasons I continue to monitor OV > > is because I look to silver tongued DEVILS like JC to > > shine a little into the pit of despair, so to speak. > > I share his gloomy views for the most part, I'm > > afraid, so I guess there's some solace in misery's > > company. > > And, maybe I shouldn't let the Cat OUT of the Hat, er, > > bag, that is, but the UDS seems to be pointed more in > > the direction of the hand that feeds him than at human > > frailties or universal truths. But then, with what > > I'm smokin', paranoia knows no bounds! > > No matter. And while the jury's still out on that > > choice business, the market in Blind Faith is > > definitely setting records, and I've invested for all > > I'm worth. Ha. (Co-incidentally, don't you wish > > Winwood and Clapton would work together again?) I > > know one thing for sure, though. Me and Manuel will > > definitely be back on the job tomorrow. No royalties > > here, babe, just slip-slidin' away. > > So, pick your poison and let's toast to Frustration. > > It won't change a damn thing, but after a few belts > > you'll sleep better. Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the > > new Robben Ford release. It's got a great version of > > the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny > > About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features > > guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a great > > guitar player, it works for me. > > Happy Holidays! > > Ed _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:41:23 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back ...or is that "Hear Hear!" Believe it or not, I'm an English professor, and that's something I've never thought about.... ;-) >From: "Rachel Wifall" >To: alessandro@tpg.com.au, oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:18:39 -0500 > >Here here. You may be doing "manuel" labor, but you have got a silver pen. > >rw > >>From: "Alessandro Campobassi (//Home)" >>To: oppositeview@smoe.org >>Subject: OV: Re: OV UDS/dels looking back >>Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:45:57 +1100 >> >>Most enjoyable email I've read on OV for months... >>Thanks Ed. >> >> >>// Alessandro >> >> >>Quoting Edward Minton : >> >> > Hi Susan- >> > Hope you're doing well. Is the light good for >> > painting, this time of year in Georgia? >> > The Chicago Convention was in November of '98, I >> > think. And yeah, I miss getting daily posts from that >> > group of folks, but then, when the band quits playing, >> > what's left to talk about? >> > I think the reason why I was so attracted to those >> > early 90's del Amitri albums had a lot to do with my >> > perception that the songs and arrangements and >> > instrumentation were very traditional, and to me, >> > seemed to owe a stylistic debt to the Beatles and >> > Stones and early '70's Van Morrison and Rod Stewart >> > albums. The nod to the band's Scottish heritage in >> > the form of mandolins and fiddles and accordians was a >> > charming touch, too. >> > Maybe I was way off the mark, maybe not. I still >> > think that the best songs from WH, CE, Twisted and >> > SOSP display good-old songwriting and a certain pride >> > and humility in the crafsmanship of playing and >> > singing well, and those are things that never go out >> > of style. It's just a new tune that comes next. It >> > occurs to me that artists like Martin Taylor, Albert >> > Lee, and Van Morrison have made respectable careers >> > for themselves persuing those humble, timeless >> > qualities. I think that if Justin were to forget the >> > popstar BS and occupy himself likewise, things would >> > take care of themselves. One thing about it though, a >> > successful musician is going to have to live out of >> > his suitcase, which is something Justin seems loathe >> > to do. >> > Bottom line for me is, the dels were the last great >> > rock and roll to come out of the UK. >> > As far as negativity and sarcasm goes, I've got a >> > taste for the stuff. Even though my friend Manuel >> > Labor tells me that "the world, she ain't gon' last >> > forever!", and the Rev. Billy Graham recently said >> > that "if the Lord doesn't return soon, he'll have to >> > apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah...", I think there's >> > still plenty of time left for the bullet. >> > Actually, one of the reasons I continue to monitor OV >> > is because I look to silver tongued DEVILS like JC to >> > shine a little into the pit of despair, so to speak. >> > I share his gloomy views for the most part, I'm >> > afraid, so I guess there's some solace in misery's >> > company. >> > And, maybe I shouldn't let the Cat OUT of the Hat, er, >> > bag, that is, but the UDS seems to be pointed more in >> > the direction of the hand that feeds him than at human >> > frailties or universal truths. But then, with what >> > I'm smokin', paranoia knows no bounds! >> > No matter. And while the jury's still out on that >> > choice business, the market in Blind Faith is >> > definitely setting records, and I've invested for all >> > I'm worth. Ha. (Co-incidentally, don't you wish >> > Winwood and Clapton would work together again?) I >> > know one thing for sure, though. Me and Manuel will >> > definitely be back on the job tomorrow. No royalties >> > here, babe, just slip-slidin' away. >> > So, pick your poison and let's toast to Frustration. >> > It won't change a damn thing, but after a few belts >> > you'll sleep better. Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the >> > new Robben Ford release. It's got a great version of >> > the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny >> > About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features >> > guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a great >> > guitar player, it works for me. >> > Happy Holidays! >> > Ed > >_________________________________________________________________ >Enjoy the holiday season with great tips from MSN. >http://special.msn.com/network/happyholidays.armx _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 10:47:02 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: http://beautifulzueri.blogspot.com/ Is it the "Nothing Ever Happens T-Shirt," or the Swiss "lesbians"? I can't decide! Do I get a prize, Joe? >From: "Joe Brady" >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: http://beautifulzueri.blogspot.com/ >Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 12:03:19 +0000 > >This is Del Related.....Scroll down and try to spot it.... > > > >R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the >nation..." > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Subscribe to MSN 8 today for a better internet experience and save over >25% on the ususal price! _________________________________________________________________ Working moms: Find helpful tips here on managing kids, home, work  and yourself. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/workingmom.armx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 11:05:43 -0500 From: "The Gardners" Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V5 #181 LOL! Oh yeah! I always think of an interview I saw of Eric's from years ago, where he referred to his first impression of Steve as being a 'spotty-faced kid who sounded just like Ray Charles'... what a hoot! They made some good music together way back when. We've come a long way since then, haven't we all... Is Steve still recording? I know Clapton has backed out of touring a bit since he's started a family with the American girl, but maybe he's found a bit of peace there in a home and family of more traditional structure than he's known for having in the past... It is good to see you posting here Ed, it is. TTFN Susan And while the jury's still out on that choice business, the market in Blind Faith is definitely setting records, and I've invested for all I'm worth. Ha. (Co-incidentally, don't you wish Winwood and Clapton would work together again?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 08:12:09 -0800 (PST) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Dr. Seuss-an As Cat in the Hat proved it's all in the uniform. Maybe something Swedish 70's? http://www.nyheter.nu/kultur/ UncleDevil1@aol.com wrote: 'Tis such a shame that the southern belle who is probably most qualified to develop the logo that could lead to UDS's salvation, considers the offerings on TB to be distastefully sarcastic. Especially "ironic", considering the warm reception Yanks are giving to some Cat in a Hat and his entourage of Things One & Two. Uncle Devil & Aunt-Ticipation are perplexed - -Doug . Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:47:26 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back - --- Edward Minton wrote: > The Chicago Convention was in November of '98, I > think. And yeah, I miss getting daily posts from > that > group of folks, but then, when the band quits > playing, > what's left to talk about? Well, I wasn't in that group of folks, but to answer the "what's left to talk about?" question, I'd say: Life. Maybe turning each other on to new groups wouldn't be such a bad idea, either. > I think the reason why I was so attracted to those > early 90's del Amitri albums had a lot to do with my > perception that the songs and arrangements and > instrumentation were very traditional, and to me, > seemed to owe a stylistic debt to the Beatles and > Stones and early '70's Van Morrison and Rod Stewart > albums. The nod to the band's Scottish heritage in > the form of mandolins and fiddles and accordians was > a > charming touch, too. I agree with you here. I think it's always been the melodies and instrumentation that drew me to them, but the fact that there were stories being told in the lyrics worked well for me, too. > Maybe I was way off the mark, maybe not. I still > think that the best songs from WH, CE, Twisted and > SOSP display good-old songwriting and a certain > pride > and humility in the crafsmanship of playing and > singing well, and those are things that never go out > of style. It's just a new tune that comes next. Amen to that! And I'm actually enjoying the new tunes from UDS that I've heard. > Bottom line for me is, the dels were the last great > rock and roll to come out of the UK. I don't know about the last, but certainly one of the finest. The Wonder Stuff still floats my boat, but then again, they haven't really had any new tunes for ages, even with their occasional one off gigs over the last couple of years. > Actually, one of the reasons I continue to monitor > OV > is because I look to silver tongued DEVILS like JC > to > shine a little into the pit of despair, so to speak. > > I share his gloomy views for the most part, I'm > afraid, so I guess there's some solace in misery's > company. > > And, maybe I shouldn't let the Cat OUT of the Hat, > er, > bag, that is, but the UDS seems to be pointed more > in > the direction of the hand that feeds him than at > human > frailties or universal truths. But then, with what > I'm smokin', paranoia knows no bounds! Oh, I don't know. I may be one of the few here who actually enjoy the UDS stuff, from the sounds of it. I just love the energy and fun they seem to pour into the project. I find that I'm smiling after listening to the tunes. If it's keeping ol' JC's creative juices flowing and he's having a good time, who cares if the motivation is monetary or whatever they are. Would I like to see Justin and Iain working together again? Of course. But since they're not (at least not in a form we've seen), I'll take what I can get. I'm happy with it. > Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the > new Robben Ford release. It's got a great version > of > the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny > About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features > guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a great > guitar player, it works for me. > > Happy Holidays! > Ed Hmm...I always thought that was an Elvis Costello song. I didn't know it was Lowe's. Then again, I was never into him. I'll have to check out his version. Would you say it's better or worse than Costello's rendition? debbie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 14:57:29 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back - ---- Original Message ---- >> Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the >> new Robben Ford release. It's got a great version >> of the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny >> About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features >> guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a great >> guitar player, it works for me. >Hmm...I always thought that was an Elvis Costello >song. I didn't know it was Lowe's. Then again, I was >never into him. I'll have to check out his version. >Would you say it's better or worse than Costello's >rendition? Deb, Nick wrote it, and produced Elvis Costello's version of the song. Nick's version, at least the one I love, is very slow, and acoustic. dh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 15:55:49 -0800 (PST) From: Edward Minton Subject: Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back > the fact that there were stories being told in the > lyrics worked well for me, too. > Absolutely. And anyone who happened to have been in a relationship that ...left a hole in your heart ...would be particulary vulnerable to the scenarios depicted in those songs. >> Would you say it's better or worse than Costello's > rendition? Well, most everyone loves the Costello version, and I won't say that Robben's version is better, necessarily, but I am a big fan of Robben as many on this list know, so it is nice to hear his version. That Mavis Staples adds her vocals to the mix is an especially nice treat, too. If you wanna have a listen, you can hear a snippet of the song on iTunes for free before you buy it for $0.99. Ed - --- debbsc67 wrote: > > --- Edward Minton wrote: > > The Chicago Convention was in November of '98, I > > think. And yeah, I miss getting daily posts from > > that > > group of folks, but then, when the band quits > > playing, > > what's left to talk about? > > Well, I wasn't in that group of folks, but to answer > the "what's left to talk about?" question, I'd say: > Life. Maybe turning each other on to new groups > wouldn't be such a bad idea, either. > > > I think the reason why I was so attracted to those > > early 90's del Amitri albums had a lot to do with > my > > perception that the songs and arrangements and > > instrumentation were very traditional, and to me, > > seemed to owe a stylistic debt to the Beatles and > > Stones and early '70's Van Morrison and Rod > Stewart > > albums. The nod to the band's Scottish heritage > in > > the form of mandolins and fiddles and accordians > was > > a > > charming touch, too. > > I agree with you here. I think it's always been the > melodies and instrumentation that drew me to them, > but > the fact that there were stories being told in the > lyrics worked well for me, too. > > > Maybe I was way off the mark, maybe not. I still > > think that the best songs from WH, CE, Twisted and > > SOSP display good-old songwriting and a certain > > pride > > and humility in the crafsmanship of playing and > > singing well, and those are things that never go > out > > of style. It's just a new tune that comes next. > > Amen to that! And I'm actually enjoying the new > tunes > from UDS that I've heard. > > > Bottom line for me is, the dels were the last > great > > rock and roll to come out of the UK. > > I don't know about the last, but certainly one of > the > finest. The Wonder Stuff still floats my boat, but > then again, they haven't really had any new tunes > for > ages, even with their occasional one off gigs over > the > last couple of years. > > > Actually, one of the reasons I continue to monitor > > OV > > is because I look to silver tongued DEVILS like JC > > to > > shine a little into the pit of despair, so to > speak. > > > > I share his gloomy views for the most part, I'm > > afraid, so I guess there's some solace in misery's > > company. > > > > And, maybe I shouldn't let the Cat OUT of the Hat, > > er, > > bag, that is, but the UDS seems to be pointed more > > in > > the direction of the hand that feeds him than at > > human > > frailties or universal truths. But then, with > what > > I'm smokin', paranoia knows no bounds! > > Oh, I don't know. I may be one of the few here who > actually enjoy the UDS stuff, from the sounds of it. > I > just love the energy and fun they seem to pour into > the project. I find that I'm smiling after listening > to the tunes. If it's keeping ol' JC's creative > juices > flowing and he's having a good time, who cares if > the > motivation is monetary or whatever they are. > > Would I like to see Justin and Iain working together > again? Of course. But since they're not (at least > not > in a form we've seen), I'll take what I can get. I'm > happy with it. > > > Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the > > new Robben Ford release. It's got a great version > > of > > the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny > > About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features > > guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a great > > guitar player, it works for me. > > > > Happy Holidays! > > Ed > > Hmm...I always thought that was an Elvis Costello > song. I didn't know it was Lowe's. Then again, I was > never into him. I'll have to check out his version. > Would you say it's better or worse than Costello's > rendition? > > debbie > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:35:57 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: RE OV UDS/dels looking back - --- darren@bendcable.com wrote: > ---- Original Message ---- > >> Meanwhile, I'm crankin' up the > >> new Robben Ford release. It's got a great > version > >> of the old Nick Lowe nugget, (What's So Funny > >> About)Peace, Love and Understanding that features > >> guest vocals by Mavis Staples. Mavis with a > great > >> guitar player, it works for me. > > >Hmm...I always thought that was an Elvis Costello > >song. I didn't know it was Lowe's. Then again, I > was > >never into him. I'll have to check out his version. > >Would you say it's better or worse than Costello's > >rendition? > > Deb, Nick wrote it, and produced Elvis Costello's > version of the > song. Nick's version, at least the one I love, is > very slow, and > acoustic. > > dh > Yeah, I figured as much. I just didn't know it before Ed pointed it out that it was actually Nick's song. Ya learn something new every day. :-) I'll have to check out his version of the song some day. It would be interesting to hear it performed in a different way. I've only ever known Costello's. debbie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #182 **********************************