From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #177 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, December 15 2003 Volume 05 : Number 177 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Rachel Wifall" ] OV: Re: OV (no dels content - loss of gran) ["The Gardners" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss OK, fair enough--but more Proclaimers songs are inspirational than not....I thought of that one (and a couple others) after I sent out the mail. :-P rw >From: Aleksandr >To: Rachel Wifall >CC: claire.barber@bbsrc.ac.uk, oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:02:23 +1100 (EST) > >ah yes, Track 10 or 11 - Saturday Night > >- > >"I think not being born is ecologically responsible." >- Alice, 'The quick & the dead' _________________________________________________________________ Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 14:52:22 -0500 From: "The Gardners" Subject: OV: Re: OV (no dels content - loss of gran) ----- Original Message ----- Subject: oppositeview-digest > Hi all > I've spent the last 24 hours sitting at my grans side waiting for her to die (not a > nice thing to say but it's true) she was given the last rites yesterday > morning and ive been sitting with her and a lot of this stuff was going > through my mind in the wee small hours...... > I hope for her theres an afterlife because she has had a really shit past > five years and I think she still has a lot of living to do..... > I was pleased the priest didn't stay around to give me 'the word of God' .it > really wasn't what I needed (then now or the future) > I don't really know what I'm going on about here..I really need some sleep > lol...I guess I'm just trying to say after all my hours of thinking I do > believe she'll go to a nicer place and that she'll come back and walk with > me. Spooky thing I came home to get changed and when I got back in the car > Robbie Williams Nan's song was playing........was like someone turned on the > waterworks lol > > Anyway bedtime for Clara Clara, I haven't been online in a couple of days and missed these last rounds of OV chat; this afternoon when I checked Darren's archives I saw this post of yours, and I just wanted to say I am very sorry you've had to go through your gran's illness and impending end. My family has just gone through a similiar situation in November, when after a year and a half of taking treatments for lung cancer my father-in-law finally died. Its been a stressful and agonizing period, watching the treatments offer hope for a cure then make him even sicker as they failed completely... We all have to deal with these issues in our own way, from 'why did he have to suffer like this' to 'where has he gone to now, if anywhere'... he'd been a good man, not perfect of course but kind and well-intentioned, and the way he suffered the last 6 months was appalling - - nobody deserves that, nobody. Your gran doesn't deserve to suffer either. Just know that you're not alone in feeling so down, okay? Sure this isn't exclusively Dels material, and sure this is a Dels discussion board, but after we've all been here together for so long it seems to me that a type of friendship grows that makes talking about things like death & suffering okay. I'm glad you (and Debs & the others) have let us know what's going on in their lives. TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2003 15:50:15 EST From: UncleDevil1@aol.com Subject: OV: Day after day.............. Day after day Alone on his bike The jester ponders This quandary. A "logo" it seems Would strengthen our dreams To prevent being taken to The laundry. Neither dirty Maggie May's, nor Lovely Rita's submissions have satisfied our needs. Assistance, indeed, would be most inebriated. ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #177 **********************************