From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #175 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Friday, December 12 2003 Volume 05 : Number 175 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["scott wallace" ] RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["claire barber (SRI)" ] OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Mojo T Monkey" ] OV: [OT] Death: Discuss [Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de] OV: Feeling malcontent? [Bette Hanson ] RE: OV: Feeling malcontent? ["Rachel Wifall" ] RE: OV: Feeling malcontent? ["Joe Brady" ] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V5 #174 ["The Gardners" ] RE: OV: Irony vs. the Bottom Line (No Dels Content) ["Rachel Wifall" ] RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Birgit Wurm" ] [none] [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Jeffrey D. Schultz" ] OV: Fw: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Claire O'Rourke" ] OV: Re: [debbsc67 ] RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss [Aleksandr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:39:12 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Thanx for cheerin me up folks. >From: "claire barber (SRI)" >To: "'oppositeview@smoe.org'" >Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:38:57 -0000 > >Just to let you know - you are not alone in this feeling!!!! Claire > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] >Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > >When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - - just null. > >I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. > >And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > >Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. > >Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Win your pick of these top prizes - a parachute jump, a VIP night out, or a day at a health spa, for you and three mates. Find out how you can win with MSN Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:20:18 -0000 From: "claire barber (SRI)" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Sorry for bleak view of life - hadn't had morning caffeine injection. Now a little happier - and listening to my feel good CD whilst looking for new jobs on the internet. Does anyone else have a song(s) that "get them through" or lifts the spirits however shitty their feeling? Claire - ---Original Message----- From: scott wallace [mailto:swalla14@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 December 2003 10:39 To: claire.barber@bbsrc.ac.uk; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Thanx for cheerin me up folks. >From: "claire barber (SRI)" >To: "'oppositeview@smoe.org'" >Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:38:57 -0000 > >Just to let you know - you are not alone in this feeling!!!! Claire > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] >Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > >When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. > >I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. > >And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > >Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. > >Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... _____ Win your pick of these top prizes - a parachute jump, a VIP night out, or a day at a health spa, for you and three mates. Find out how you can win with MSN Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:36:58 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Kiss This Thing, Van Morrison-Bright Side of The Road, Carol Laula-Life is For Livin. Just off the top of the nut. >From: "claire barber (SRI)" >To: "'scott wallace'" , oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:20:18 -0000 > >Sorry for bleak view of life - hadn't had morning caffeine injection. Now a little happier - and listening to my feel good CD whilst looking for new jobs on the internet. Does anyone else have a song(s) that "get them through" or lifts the spirits however shitty their feeling? >Claire > >---Original Message----- >From: scott wallace [mailto:swalla14@hotmail.com] >Sent: 11 December 2003 10:39 >To: claire.barber@bbsrc.ac.uk; oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss > > > >Thanx for cheerin me up folks. > > > > >From: "claire barber (SRI)" > >To: "'oppositeview@smoe.org'" > >Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss > >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:38:57 -0000 > > > >Just to let you know - you are not alone in this feeling!!!! Claire > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] > >Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 > >To: oppositeview@smoe.org > >Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > > > > >When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. > > > >I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. > > > >And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > > > >Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. > > > >Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... > > _____ > >Win your pick of these top prizes - a parachute jump, a VIP night out, or a day at a health spa, for you and three mates. Find out how you can win with MSN Messenger. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:39:44 -0000 From: "Mojo T Monkey" Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss "Sleep instead of teardrops". That'll cheer ya up! People, thanks for the emails I've been sent directly, but don't worry - I'm not suicidal - that couldn't be more further than the truth! Also, I apologise if I messed with anyone's head. Hey, what do I know? There are millions of people out there who know far more about God than I do, so I could well be wrong. I'm often wrong - It's just a "thing" I do... Anyway, thank you all for caring about other people, it's a rare quality these days. T - ----- Original Message ----- From: "claire barber (SRI)" To: "'scott wallace'" ; Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Sorry for bleak view of life - hadn't had morning caffeine injection. Now a little happier - and listening to my feel good CD whilst looking for new jobs on the internet. Does anyone else have a song(s) that "get them through" or lifts the spirits however shitty their feeling? Claire - ---Original Message----- From: scott wallace [mailto:swalla14@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 December 2003 10:39 To: claire.barber@bbsrc.ac.uk; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Thanx for cheerin me up folks. >From: "claire barber (SRI)" >To: "'oppositeview@smoe.org'" >Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:38:57 -0000 > >Just to let you know - you are not alone in this feeling!!!! Claire > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] >Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > >When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. > >I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. > >And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > >Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. > >Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... _____ Win your pick of these top prizes - a parachute jump, a VIP night out, or a day at a health spa, for you and three mates. Find out how you can win with MSN Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:44:22 +0100 From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss I don't know how often I'm thinking: Is this IT? This is the way I'm spending my whole life? And then the dark thoughts arise. But then again, you have to consider the other side: Everyone of us HAS GOT the possibility to leave, to get away and start a new life elsewhere, maybe away from computers and this sick society. We KNOW that there's something different than what we do right now: sitting in front of a computer. But there's so many people on this world who don't have a computer, a telephone, who didn't even heard of such things. And all these billions of people that lived in former centuries ... they didn't even have to chance to leave, to start a new life, they didn't even have sparetime. They were working just for their livelihood all day long, so they never had time to think about their boring lives. Would that be better? And as soon as I'm beginning to think that this life stinks, I'm trying to think that this stinking life is one of the best I could've got. And if that doesn't help, Claire, yeah, I got a song that will always cheer me up: Graham Coxon - "Song for the sick". From his great album "The kiss of morning". :-) Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:16:28 -0500 From: Bette Hanson Subject: OV: Feeling malcontent? Mojo, All due respect, you are wrong. I have much empathy for what you're feeling... however, there are two choices in life --- to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the responsibility for changing them. > From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] > Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > > When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no > feeling - just null. > > I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no > afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. > > And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a > computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > > Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. > It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I > actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. > > Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to > do something I enjoy)... > > ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:57:18 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: Feeling malcontent? Hi guys, We're becoming the Opposite View Self Help Network, I believe--but that's cool! And here's for another opposite view: I have been a sufferer of depression. However, the longer I have lived, the more I have realized that my reality is a reflection of my thought processes--what I think I receive, I create, I perpetuate. This is by no means an original idea. I have set upon a quest to change my negative assumptions of life and thereby change my life. I realized that I was brought up amid negativity and fearfulness, and I tried to examine the attitudes of my mother, most specifically, and see where her ideas were faulty and self destructive. Because I am interested in thinking, I am never bored; there is always something to learn and some way to learn how to help oneself. This is not to say that I am never despondent--that I don't ever feel sorry for myself or feel like life is passing me by. But when I feel this way, I consider how I might change it, even if change is sometimes painful at first. As for life after death, I think and feel that it is highly unlikely that we become nothing after death. I have every reason to believe that our energy continues on in some form after we, as we know ourselves, are no more. I say this based upon thousands of years of human thought on spirituality, and on my own spiritual intuitions. However, if I do become nothing, I won't know it, so why care? The best way for me to live on is in any kind of good energy I can leave behind in this life. Peace, Rachel >From: Bette Hanson >To: >Subject: OV: Feeling malcontent? >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:16:28 -0500 > >Mojo, > >All due respect, you are wrong. > >I have much empathy for what you're feeling... however, there are two >choices in life --- to accept conditions as they exist, or accept the >responsibility for changing them. > > > > From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] > > Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 > > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > > Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > > > > > When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, >no > > feeling - just null. > > > > I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There >is no > > afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of >Santa. > > > > And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a > > computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > > > > Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my >days. > > It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I > > actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to >me. > > > > Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and >going to > > do something I enjoy)... > > > > ------------------------------ _________________________________________________________________ Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? Find out. Run the FREE McAfee online computer scan! http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 16:04:40 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: RE: OV: Feeling malcontent? Can we go back to Slagging me off? This other topic is truly depressing..... R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: "Rachel Wifall" >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: Feeling malcontent? >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:57:18 -0500 > >Hi guys, > >We're becoming the Opposite View Self Help Network, I believe--but >that's cool! > >And here's for another opposite view: > >I have been a sufferer of depression. However, the longer I have >lived, the more I have realized that my reality is a reflection of >my thought processes--what I think I receive, I create, I >perpetuate. This is by no means an original idea. I have set upon >a quest to change my negative assumptions of life and thereby change >my life. I realized that I was brought up amid negativity and >fearfulness, and I tried to examine the attitudes of my mother, most >specifically, and see where her ideas were faulty and self >destructive. Because I am interested in thinking, I am never bored; >there is always something to learn and some way to learn how to help >oneself. This is not to say that I am never despondent--that I >don't ever feel sorry for myself or feel like life is passing me by. > But when I feel this way, I consider how I might change it, even >if change is sometimes painful at first. > >As for life after death, I think and feel that it is highly unlikely >that we become nothing after death. I have every reason to believe >that our energy continues on in some form after we, as we know >ourselves, are no more. I say this based upon thousands of years of >human thought on spirituality, and on my own spiritual intuitions. >However, if I do become nothing, I won't know it, so why care? The >best way for me to live on is in any kind of good energy I can leave >behind in this life. > >Peace, >Rachel > > >>From: Bette Hanson >>To: >>Subject: OV: Feeling malcontent? >>Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:16:2 8 -0500 >> >>Mojo, >> >>All due respect, you are wrong. >> >>I have much empathy for what you're feeling... however, there are >>two >>choices in life --- to accept conditions as they exist, or accept >>the >>responsibility for changing them. >> >> >> > From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] >> > Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 >> > To: oppositeview@smoe.org >> > Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss >> > >> > >> > When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no >>silence, no >> > feeling - just null. >> > >> > I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of >>me. There is no >> > afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest >>version of Santa. >> > >> > And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have >>looking at a >> > computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful >>waste. >> > >> > Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the >>rest of my days. >> > It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a >>job I >> > actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean >>nothing to me. >> > >> > Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here >>and going to >> > do something I enjoy)... >> > >> > - ------------------------------ > >_________________________________________________________________ >Wonder if the latest virus has gotten to your computer? 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TTFN Susan The Relentless Optimist Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:27:22 -0000 From: "Mojo T Monkey" Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste... Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:33:06 -0500 From: "William Kates" Subject: OV: Irony vs. the Bottom Line (No Dels Content) Thanks to whoever posted that comment about Americans not getting the irony and sarcasm. The ensuing discussion about Alanis Morrisette, her song, and the concept of irony in general has been the most interesting set of posts we've had on here for a long time. Regarding the Bottom Line, I had the pleasure of seeing Once Blue play there some years ago - great venue. Once Blue, by the way, is one of the all time great overlooked albums, just re-released in Japan with 9 bonus tracks which would have been their 2nd album had they not been dropped by their label after which they broke up. Plus you can get this at cdbaby.com without incurring the enormous shipping cost to order from Japan. But I digress... I do understand the real estate pressure of the prime location etc. etc. but colleges and universities are supposed to be a little more high minded than your average real estate broker/developer and they traditionally have some concern for or commitment to "the arts." As such, I totally do not understand why they couldn't build whatever they want on that site and still leave the Bottom Line on the first floor - is that 3,000 square feet of space really the end all and be all for NYU? I don't get it. Anyway, thanks for some interesting posts, finally. Cheers & Happy Holidays to all. Even Joe Brady. - William _________________________________________________________________ Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. https://broadband.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:42:29 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss you'll all kill me, for this . yes. i do have music i can use to get me through whatever... s club 7 & B*witched cheers, AL - - "I think not being born is ecologically responsible." - - Alice, 'The quick & the dead' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:38:10 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: Irony vs. the Bottom Line (No Dels Content) The reason I said I was ashamed of being associated with NYU is because of what you say: an institution of higher learning should be sympathetic to the arts. I don't know all the ins and outs of the situation, but I certainly agree that NYU should be able to build and still incorporate The Bottom Line in their plan. That would be great! I know NYU students appreciate the venue--The BL gets great acts in for an affordable price! rw >From: "William Kates" >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: Irony vs. the Bottom Line (No Dels Content) >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 11:33:06 -0500 > >Thanks to whoever posted that comment about Americans not getting the irony >and sarcasm. The ensuing discussion about Alanis Morrisette, her song, and >the concept of irony in general has been the most interesting set of posts >we've had on here for a long time. Regarding the Bottom Line, I had the >pleasure of seeing Once Blue play there some years ago - great venue. Once >Blue, by the way, is one of the all time great overlooked albums, just >re-released in Japan with 9 bonus tracks which would have been their 2nd >album had they not been dropped by their label after which they broke up. >Plus you can get this at cdbaby.com without incurring the enormous shipping >cost to order from Japan. But I digress... I do understand the real estate >pressure of the prime location etc. etc. but colleges and universities are >supposed to be a little more high minded than your average real estate >broker/developer and they traditionally have some concern for or commitment >to "the arts." As such, I totally do not understand why they couldn't >build whatever they want on that site and still leave the Bottom Line on >the first floor - is that 3,000 square feet of space really the end all and >be all for NYU? I don't get it. Anyway, thanks for some interesting posts, >finally. >Cheers & Happy Holidays to all. Even Joe Brady. - William > >_________________________________________________________________ >Tired of slow downloads and busy signals? Get a high-speed Internet >connection! Comparison-shop your local high-speed providers here. >https://broadband.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone switch rules are taking effect  find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:38:58 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss How about almost *anything* from The Proclaimers, especially Sunshine on Leith?! >From: Aleksandr >To: "claire barber (SRI)" >CC: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss >Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 22:42:29 +1100 (EST) > >you'll all kill me, for this . > >yes. >i do have music i can use to get me through whatever... > >s club 7 & B*witched > >cheers, > >AL > >- > >"I think not being born is ecologically responsible." >- Alice, 'The quick & the dead' _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 18:46:53 +0100 From: "Birgit Wurm" Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Well, I've lately taken to a bit of punk rock, so here goes: You're dead (Die Toten Hosen) "Ladies & Gentlemen, just so we understand each other: in my right hand I have a gun, so let's not have any problems, ai?" You don't know where you're going, you don't know where you've been. You don't know why but your life is a lie, it goes by like a dream. You're stuck in this rat race, your job drives you insane. You live for the bribe of the next pay-rise and a cut-prize holiday. You know you're getting older, it's not gonna stop. You're locked inside a prison where they bleed you drop by drop. You wake up and you wonder why bother getting out of bed. You sold your soul to the corporate goal and you want a new life instead. Bang, bang you're dead - there's a gun at your head! But it's only a game, if they shoot you down, you can get up and start again. Bang, bang you're dead - but your blood's still running red. If you look at your life with different eyes, you'll know how to start again. You can't break out of the circle, your life's not going anywhere. Nobody's going to help you, cause none of them really cares. You could loose your life on a crowded street, they wouldn't even turn their heads. It's all gone wrong, the pressure's too strong, better get a new live instead. You don't know where you're going, you don't know where you've been. You can open your eyes and the innocence dies and your past life is a dream. Dead but your blood keeps pumping, dead but your heart still beats. You know why you're here, you know who you are and you know who you wanna be. Bang, bang you're dead - there's a gun at your head! But it's only a game, if they shoot you down, you can get up and start again. Bang, bang you're dead! Bang, bang you're dead! So down on luck, it feels like nothing's enough, you should get a new live instead. Bang, bang you're dead - but your blood's still running red. If you look at your life with different eyes, you'll know how to start again. ______________________________________________________________________________ WEB.DE FreeMail wird 5 Jahre jung! Feiern Sie mit uns und nutzen Sie die neuen Funktionen http://f.web.de/features/?mc=021130 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 10:26:07 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: [none] If memory serves, isn't today someone's birthday? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:10:52 -0500 From: "Jeffrey D. Schultz" Subject: Re: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss At 9:27 AM +0000 12/11/03, Mojo T Monkey wrote: >When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no >feeling - just null. Ahh, sounds like someone has a case of existentialist dread! You've looked into the abyss and realized there's nothing there, (and I'm not going to tell you you're wrong). But that's not a reason to despair. Your realization is not an end, but rather a beginning. You are now free to construct and create your own life. My favorite quote: "The meaning of things lies not in the things themselves but in our attitude towards them." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery Have a read, it's a great starting point: http://www.historyguide.org/europe/lecture12.html Cheers, Jeff in NYC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 12:24:42 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss I think we've all had days like this. I know I've played the "what if" game in my head (sometimes not by my own choosing) and it scares the shit out of me, too, when the thoughts that "this is it" have come creeping in. So...I see nothing wrong with hoping (or having faith) that this isn't really all there is, yet still making the most out of this life. Putting that theory into practice is another thing, though. ;-) But I say travel to where ever in the world you'd like to and to do so as often as you can! I know I do, yet it's still not enough. I want to see more, more, more! It's great to have nice things, but I'd rather spend my money going somewhere nice and seeing places, things, and people I've never seen before. Hey, it's even made me realize that perhaps there is a higher power out there to have created some of the beauty I've seen in this world! See the sun set over a place like Ben Nevis in Glenfinnan and you'll know what I mean! It certainly opened my eyes. By all means, do go out and do something you enjoy. We all should. :-) debbie - --- Mojo T Monkey wrote: > When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no > darkness, no silence, no > feeling - just null. > > I just reaslied this last night and it scares the > shit out of me. There is > no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just > the biggest version of > Santa. > > And here we all are wasting the precious few years > we have looking at a > computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What > a pitiful waste. > > Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit > here for the rest of my > days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet > people, it's time to do a job > I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is > down" mean nothing to > me. > > Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about > leaving here and going > to do something I enjoy)... __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 21:27:09 -0000 From: "Claire O'Rourke" Subject: OV: Fw: [OT] Death: Discuss - ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire O'Rourke To: Mojo T Monkey Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Death: Discuss > Hi all > > Just come in to a pretty full mail box....of very apt emails.....I've spent > the last 24 hours sitting at my grans side waiting for her to die (not a > nice thing to say but it's true) she was given the last rites yesterday > morning and ive been sitting with her and a lot of this stuff was going > through my mind in the wee small hours...... > I hope for her theres an afterlife because she has had a really shit past > five years and I think she still has a lot of living to do..... > I was pleased the priest didn't stay around to give me 'the word of God' .it > really wasn't what I needed (then now or the future) > > I don't really know what I'm going on about here..I really need some sleep > lol...I guess I'm just trying to say after all my hours of thinking I do > believe she'll go to a nicer place and that she'll come back and walk with > me. Spooky thing I came home to get changed and when I got back in the car > Robbie Williams Nan's song was playing........was like someone turned on the > waterworks lol > > Anyway bedtime for Clara > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mojo T Monkey > To: > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 9:27 AM > Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss > > > > When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no > > feeling - just null. > > > > I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There > is > > no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of > > Santa. > > > > And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a > > computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. > > > > Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my > > days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a > job > > I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to > > me. > > > > Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going > > to do something I enjoy)... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 14:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: OV: Re: Oh yeah, it's the big 39 (and holding?) for ol' Justy. Maybe I'll have a cupcake and play some Dels tunes in his honor tonight. ;-) debbie - --- darren@bendcable.com wrote: > If memory serves, isn't today someone's birthday? __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 11:02:23 +1100 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: RE: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ah yes, Track 10 or 11 - Saturday Night - - "I think not being born is ecologically responsible." - - Alice, 'The quick & the dead' ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #175 **********************************