From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #174 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, December 11 2003 Volume 05 : Number 174 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe [Shaun Meehan ] RE: OV: OT - Judge Rules to Evict N.Y.'s Bottom Line ["Rachel Wifall" ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe ["Jen Woyan" ] Re: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe ["Mojo T Monkey" ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe ["Jane Armstrong" ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe ["Hilary Gray" ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe ["Alia Husain" ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe [debbsc67 ] RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe [debbsc67 ] OV: [OT] Death: Discuss ["Mojo T Monkey" ] OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss ["claire barber (SRI)" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as well as anyone. Perhaps the sarcasm dripping from my previous e-mail wasn't evident to everyone. At any rate; some are over reacting. No offense was intended. It's all in fun. - --- Joe Brady wrote: > Dirk, Cheers but its water of a ducks back mate. > > I'm not one who says that Americans don't get Irony > and all that but i do > think a lot of what is said on this thing is lost > via email sometimes. > > Love Peace and Open toe sandals > > Oh and by the way, I dont want a war of words on > here so lets knock it on > the head eh? > > Its getting boring now. > > R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the > hoops that rock the > nation..." >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de > >To: > oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: [OT] Mails > against Joe >Date: Wed, 10 > Dec 2003 10:16:00 +0100 > >Hi list, > >I don't think > it's OK what is > happening right now to Joe. OK, he's been a >nag, > but what happens now > reminds me of a witch hunt: Someone says >something > offending against > Joe, and one moment later there are more >people > hunting him down, > referring to the first one who said something > >against Joe. >That's not > the way we should act on this mailing list. That's > not the way >we should > at all, no matter if on a mailing list or in real > life. > >Even if Joe > deserved it, I don't think we should make fun of him > (or of >anyone else > on this list). So please stop it. Thanks. > >Dirk > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Have more fun with your mobile - add polyphonic > ringtones, java games, > celebrity voicemails and loads more! Click here for > phone fun. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:26:54 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: OT - Judge Rules to Evict N.Y.'s Bottom Line I'm, at the moment, somewhat ashamed to say that I am a graduate and former employee of New York University. I'm sure in the end it will all boil down to real estate. NYU has been expanding like mad over the last years, and unfortunately for the Bottom Line, it sits right at the heart of the university, on a *prime* corner of Greenwich Village. As much as I've always loved the BL, I don't think it's going to make it through this one. RW >From: "Jennifer Woyan" >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: OT - Judge Rules to Evict N.Y.'s Bottom Line >Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:10:38 -0600 > >NYU to evict Bottom Line > >http://crainsny.com/news.cms?newsId=7011 > >The Bottom Line nightclub is being evicted after failing to work out >a new >lease, according to its landlord, New York University, which put out a >statement on Tuseday. > >A judge last week gave NYU, owner of the West Fourth Street location, >permission to evict the club, which owes back rent of about >$190,000.. NYU >said in a statement that the club made an unacceptable 11th-hour >proposal to >pay some 10% of what they owe today, and another 10% of what they >owe next >week. > >Deejays, performers and other fans of the Bottom Line, a longtime >fixture on >Fourth Street, have rallied round to raise money for the club, and >have said >they hope to find another home for it. NYU says it plans to use the >space >for classrooms. >Copyright 2003, Crain Communications, Inc > > >Judge Rules to Evict N.Y.'s Bottom Line >By Christopher Walsh, 12/5/2003 >http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/2003/12/05/judge_rules_to_evic >t_nys_ >bottom_line?mode=PF > >NEW YORK (Billboard) - A Manhattan Civil Court judge has ruled in >favor of >New York University (NYU) in its eviction proceedings against the >Bottom >Line, the venerable music venue that has hosted such acts as Bruce >Springsteen, Johnny Cash and Miles Davis over the last 30 years. > >Barring a last-minute reprieve, the Greenwich Village club will be >evicted >within five days. > >The Bottom Line had fallen $185,000 behind in rent. NYU said the >venue's >$11,250 monthly rent is half its market value; the school also cited >a need >for classroom space. > >"We never wanted to go to court," NYU said in a statement. "But it is >simply >not right to have a not-for-profit educational institution >subsidizing a >for-profit entertainment business." > >Sirius Satellite Radio has offered to pay the $185,000 in rent, >contingent >on NYU granting the club a long-term lease. AT&T and Springsteen have >also >pledged funds. > >Reuters/Billboard _________________________________________________________________ Shop online for kids toys by age group, price range, and toy category at MSN Shopping. No waiting for a clerk to help you! http://shopping.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:33:53 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as >well as anyone. Alanis Morisette didn't. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 09:46:04 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe >>Alanis Morisette didn't. Well, she's Canadian, ain't she.... But then again, the guy from "You Oughta Know" is "Full House's" Dave Coulier - perhaps its a matter of taste? And, being American myself, I think I 'get' irony & sacasm - they are the "arrows in my quiver.' And at times the only thing to keep me from breaking out in tears from day-to-day... As for the Bottom Line - I have quite a few bootlegs (don't start) from shows at that venue and was fortunate enough to see a show there in '91 - the place is so surprisingly small (maybe cap. 100), considering the caliber of talent that has played there back in the day... Cheers, Jen - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Rachel Wifall" To: meehs1@yahoo.com, topdogbrady@hotmail.com, Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de, oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:33:53 -0500 >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as >well as anyone. Alanis Morisette didn't. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _________________________________________________________________ Dont worry if your Inbox will max out while you are enjoying the holidays. Get MSN Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:36 -0000 From: "Mojo T Monkey" Subject: Re: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe But then again, maybe it's the ultimate double-bluff? Singing a song about ironic situations, but then citing examples that are not actually ironic... Hmmmmm Cheeky wee minx. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Wifall" To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:33 PM Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as >well as anyone. Alanis Morisette didn't. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:28:31 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: Re: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe So she's singing about irony but her actual words are not in accordance with her purported intention...hmmmm.... She's outsmarted us, that North American Canadian! ;-) rw >From: "Mojo T Monkey" >To: >Subject: Re: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe >Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:50:36 -0000 > >But then again, maybe it's the ultimate double-bluff? Singing a song about >ironic situations, but then citing examples that are not actually ironic... > >Hmmmmm > >Cheeky wee minx. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rachel Wifall" >To: ; ; >; >Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:33 PM >Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe > > > >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as > >well as anyone. > >Alanis Morisette didn't. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 >months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _________________________________________________________________ Winterize your home with tips from MSN House & Home. http://special.msn.com/home/warmhome.armx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:29:19 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe > >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as > >well as anyone. > > Alanis Morisette didn't. Isn't she Canadian? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:46:53 +0000 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:33:53 -0500, Rachel Wifall wrote > >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as > >well as anyone. > > Alanis Morisette didn't. I thought the whole point was that it was ironic to have a song called Ironic when it wasn't about irony at all (just bad luck). :-) H. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 12:23:05 -0500 (EST) From: Michael Mitchell Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe > I thought the whole point was that it was ironic to have a song > called Ironic > when it wasn't about irony at all (just bad luck). :-) > I would argue bad luck and irony are not mutually exclusive. Consider the example of Mr. Play It Safe, who, having waited his whole life to take that flight, all the while being afraid to fly, had his plane crash down. Ironic in its unluckiness. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:54:49 +0000 From: "Alia Husain" Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe Alanis Morisette is Canadian. From: "Rachel Wifall" To: meehs1@yahoo.com, topdogbrady@hotmail.com, Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de, oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 10:33:53 -0500 >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm as >well as anyone. Alanis Morisette didn't. _________________________________________________________________ Our best dial-up offer is back. Get MSN Dial-up Internet Service for 6 months @ $9.95/month now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 11:33:06 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe Good point about meanings and connotations being lost in e-mail, Joe. It's nice to see you starting to turn over a new leaf. Happy Holidays, debbie - --- Joe Brady wrote: > Dirk, Cheers but its water of a ducks back mate. > > I'm not one who says that Americans don't get Irony > and all that but i do > think a lot of what is said on this thing is lost > via email sometimes. > > Love Peace and Open toe sandals > > Oh and by the way, I dont want a war of words on > here so lets knock it on > the head eh? > > Its getting boring now. > > R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the > hoops that rock the > nation..." >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de > >To: > oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: [OT] Mails > against Joe >Date: Wed, 10 > Dec 2003 10:16:00 +0100 > >Hi list, > >I don't think > it's OK what is > happening right now to Joe. OK, he's been a >nag, > but what happens now > reminds me of a witch hunt: Someone says >something > offending against > Joe, and one moment later there are more >people > hunting him down, > referring to the first one who said something > >against Joe. >That's not > the way we should act on this mailing list. That's > not the way >we should > at all, no matter if on a mailing list or in real > life. > >Even if Joe > deserved it, I don't think we should make fun of him > (or of >anyone else > on this list). So please stop it. Thanks. > >Dirk > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Have more fun with your mobile - add polyphonic > ringtones, java games, > celebrity voicemails and loads more! Click here for > phone fun. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:17:59 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: RE: OV: [OT] Mails against Joe - --- Rachel Wifall wrote: > >Erm.... I think Americans "get" irony and sarcasm > as > >well as anyone. > > Alanis Morisette didn't. > Yeah, but she's Canadian, isn't she? ;-) debbie __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:27:22 -0000 From: "Mojo T Monkey" Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2003 09:38:57 -0000 From: "claire barber (SRI)" Subject: OV: RE: [OT] Death: Discuss Just to let you know - you are not alone in this feeling!!!! Claire - -----Original Message----- From: Mojo T Monkey [mailto:MojoTheMonkey@hotmail.com] Sent: 11 December 2003 09:27 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: [OT] Death: Discuss When you die, there is null. Not even nothing, no darkness, no silence, no feeling - just null. I just reaslied this last night and it scares the shit out of me. There is no afterlife. There is no heaven. Heaven is just the biggest version of Santa. And here we all are wasting the precious few years we have looking at a computer screen and being bored, bored, bored. What a pitiful waste. Well, fuck THAT my friends! I'm not going to sit here for the rest of my days. It's time to travel, it's time to meet people, it's time to do a job I actually enjoy and where the words "The server is down" mean nothing to me. Please - PLEASE - tell me I'm wrong. (But not about leaving here and going to do something I enjoy)... ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #174 **********************************