From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #165 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, November 24 2003 Volume 05 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz ["Joe Brady" ] Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz ["Joe Brady" ] Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz ["Joe Brady" ] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz [Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg] OV: OT: zzzzzzz [SngWrite1@aol.com] OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ ["Joe Brady" ] Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ [Andrew Douglas ] Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ [SngWrite1@aol.com] OV: OT Administrivia [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: OT Administrivia ["Rachel Wifall" ] OV: UDS/charity [SngWrite1@aol.com] Re: OV: OT Administrivia [Andrew Douglas ] Re: OV: OT Administrivia ["scott wallace" ] Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ ["scott wallace" ] Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz ["scott wallace" ] Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz ["scott wallace" ] Re: OV: RE: a new deal ["Joe Brady" ] RE: OV: RE: a new deal ["Jason Fiber" ] RE: OV: RE: a new deal ["Rachel Wifall" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:03:20 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz You been drinking the strong German Lager again Dirk? So on the strength of what you say why do you del amitri so much if you never wrote those songs yourself? C'mon Dirk get real mate,Your post was pathtic There is nothing wrong with celebrating your countries achievements in a major sporting contest, especially when you have beaten the world champions in the own backyard. Now if you don't want to read about Rugby or anything else apart from the style of JC's new hair cut ,don't read the post then. But please don't come out with daft stuff like you just have. Or R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:20:32 +0100 > >Well, Dave, > >I agree with you, let's stop talking about rugby. I'll never understand >what's so exciting about something you didn't do for yourself. People say >they're proud - but actually they didn't do anything except sitting in >front of their TVs and, probably, manage to drink some beer. Yay! Very >well done! Every time I see someone saying "We are the champions! We have >done it!" I like to face and ask him: "Yeah? So it was YOU who shoot that >final goal?" > >Well, I'll just never get how someone can be proud of something he really >hasn't got ANYTHING to do with, except of being born in the same country. >Or is there something special about being born at all? > >just the 2 cents of someone who dislikes every kind of sport he doesn't do >himself. > >Dirk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're fed up with spam in your inbox sign for MSN 8 with it's intelligent junk e-mail filters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:03:21 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz You been drinking the strong German Lager again Dirk? So on the strength of what you say why do you del amitri so much if you never wrote those songs yourself? C'mon Dirk get real mate,Your post was pathtic There is nothing wrong with celebrating your countries achievements in a major sporting contest, especially when you have beaten the world champions in the own backyard. Now if you don't want to read about Rugby or anything else apart from the style of JC's new hair cut ,don't read the post then. But please don't come out with daft stuff like you just have. Or by the R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:20:32 +0100 > >Well, Dave, > >I agree with you, let's stop talking about rugby. I'll never understand >what's so exciting about something you didn't do for yourself. People say >they're proud - but actually they didn't do anything except sitting in >front of their TVs and, probably, manage to drink some beer. Yay! Very >well done! Every time I see someone saying "We are the champions! We have >done it!" I like to face and ask him: "Yeah? So it was YOU who shoot that >final goal?" > >Well, I'll just never get how someone can be proud of something he really >hasn't got ANYTHING to do with, except of being born in the same country. >Or is there something special about being born at all? > >just the 2 cents of someone who dislikes every kind of sport he doesn't do >himself. > >Dirk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:04:37 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz You been drinking the strong German Lager again Dirk? So on the strength of what you say why do you del amitri so much if you never wrote those songs yourself? C'mon Dirk get real mate,Your post was pathtic There is nothing wrong with celebrating your countries achievements in a major sporting contest, especially when you have beaten the world champions in the own backyard. Now if you don't want to read about Rugby or anything else apart from the style of JC's new hair cut ,don't read the post then. But please don't come out with daft stuff like you just have. Or by the way, England are the World Champions you know? R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:20:32 +0100 > >Well, Dave, > >I agree with you, let's stop talking about rugby. I'll never understand >what's so exciting about something you didn't do for yourself. People say >they're proud - but actually they didn't do anything except sitting in >front of their TVs and, probably, manage to drink some beer. Yay! Very >well done! Every time I see someone saying "We are the champions! We have >done it!" I like to face and ask him: "Yeah? So it was YOU who shoot that >final goal?" > >Well, I'll just never get how someone can be proud of something he really >hasn't got ANYTHING to do with, except of being born in the same country. >Or is there something special about being born at all? > >just the 2 cents of someone who dislikes every kind of sport he doesn't do >himself. > >Dirk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuck for ideas this Christmas? Find bags of gift inspiration at MSN Shopping! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:27:37 +0100 From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de Subject: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz Joe, in my opinion, it's something completely different to adore the work of a band or some football or rugby team. And there's one simple reason for it: - - The band makes its music because the members love to make music. It's art. - - The rugby/football/baseball team plays for money. I don't doubt that they like like playing their game, but it's all about money. Every one of these sport events is commercial. I don't listen to the radio, because most of the charts are being produced not because to make fine music, but to make loads of money. And I'll keep that line, doesn't matter if it's about music or sports or books or anything else. I don't want you to agree with me here, Joe. But if you feel free to tell us about England being Rugby Champion, I feel free to tell that I dislike these commercial sport events. ;-) Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 10:04:42 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: OT: zzzzzzz I'm with you Dirk. Joe's just being an obnoxious tosser like he usually is when anyone disagrees with him. He just can't stand anyone not caring about or agreeing with every thing he says. Not that I long for discussions about Justin's hair, but at least it would be more relevant to the list than rugby. And Dirk's right, unless you are a member of the team or staff it's rather silly to say "We won." When Del Amitri make an album I don't say, "We made an album." When the play a show I don't say, "We played a show." So Joe's limp attack on Dirk falls flat. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:08:37 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ Attack on Dirk? I would hardly say it was an attack now, if I attacked you big tart you would know about it. FXXk all happens on this list from one day to the next and I can't see what the problem was in mentioning a Famous World Cup Win for the country I love and live in. I don't give to shit's what anybody thinks of me, and to be honest this whole Rugby post is boring me now, but if you have any thing to say to me you smug prick say it to me, not behind my back from the safety of your laptop. Darren has been looking for months to ban me from this list so I guess I have just given him the chance to finally do that. The fact you called me a tosser will no doubt be overlooked. I like Dirk and have no problem with him but what he said this morning was utter bollocks, Well that's what I thought but hey when I have been the voice of the people? Ok lets move on and start another thread, So Sng Writ, what shampoo dya think JC uses? Mug. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:52:21 +0000 From: Andrew Douglas Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ I have to say I found Joe's post about the rugby only slightly more interesting than the hundred's of viagra ads I get in my mailbox everyday. At this point I'd like to make clear I by no means need viagra - I was buying it for my dad!;) Anyhow (remember the good old days when we stuck that word into every post?), I've been thinking about what Joe said about booting him from the list but the whole idea of doing something like that is the satisfaction and fun in actually doing it, why should Darren alone get that?? So I've got an idea. How about we have a pole, or secret ballot if you will, we the list could then decide whether to boot or not. I'm thinking it would be along the lines of those crappy balloon debates you had in school so we'd need to give Joe one post to defend his place on this list. After Joe we could randomly select a listee each week to be up for eviction. Oh, I heard an thing on TV the other day about why the scots, welsh and irish don't all rally behind the english when they win something. I guess it's because you're all arrogant gits - and yes, I'm just a sore loser! ;) andrew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:57:48 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ Joe, First you implied that Dirk must be drunk to have formed his opinion, which you then termed "pathetic" and "daft". Then, I'm a "big tart" and a "smug prick" who hides "behind a laptop" because I happen to agree with Dirk. (for the record, doobington@hotmail.com refered to you as a "wank" first, is he also a "smug prick"?) You seem to feel that your opinion is the only one that matters. Maybe you think you're just taking the piss out of someone, but it doesn't come across so well in an email. No, there is no problem with mentioning the win. But then there should be no problem mentioning that I was bored with the rugby talk. Yours, smuggly and prickley, Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:17:00 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: OV: OT Administrivia Okay folks. Time to stop the Rugby talk, and everything that it's brought up. I'm getting requests to make it stop. So, that's what we're doing. Clear out your egos, hurt feelings, anger, pomposity, and stop posting ABOUT: a) Rugby b) Rugby winners c) Rugby losers d) Joe Brady e) any combination thereof You have until the end of the day to get it all out of your systems. End of story. I have yet to keep anyone from being on this list. I don't intend to start now. BUT, if folks can't stick to common decorum, then that will change. If those who want to talk Rugby and the England win, take it OFF LIST. There is ALWAYS that option. I have no desire to stop you from talking about things you're passionate about. Just don't include the OV address in your TO:, CC:, or BCC list. I don't know if anyone actually read it, but there was a post saying that UDS IS actually being released. Just thought I'd mention it. Also, I've had someone write me wishing to sell a piece of Del Amitri memorabilia for charity. Does anyone know of a Charity-type eBay? thanks for your attention, Darren Admin., The Opposite View Mailing List ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 12:33:00 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: Re: OV: OT Administrivia Hi guys, I hope you'll indulge a female perspective on all this: I know it's been discussed before, but I think we should be allowed to talk about whatever we'd like on this list, provided we use the "Off Topic" or "OT" option. I do think that certain sports talk can be appropriate on this list--especially soccer or rugby--since the Dels do have many fans in the UK and Ireland, etc. They're also big footie fans themselves, as we know. I've actually gotten a kick out of the whole recent exchange and, as an American, don't get much news on this stuff at home (except for BBC news). Also, even though I do not always agree with Joe's in-your-face attitudes, I believe that the only things that should not be tolerated on the list are put downs. He was just having some fun singing England's praises, and was put down for it. Of course what followed from his wounded pride was another story.... Congratulations, Joe and England (even if you didn't have anything to do with the match itself), and let's keep this discussion OT (or bury it already...). Rachel >From: darren@bendcable.com >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: OT Administrivia >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:17:00 -0800 > >Okay folks. Time to stop the Rugby talk, and everything that it's >brought up. > >I'm getting requests to make it stop. So, that's what we're doing. >Clear out your egos, hurt feelings, anger, pomposity, and stop >posting ABOUT: >a) Rugby >b) Rugby winners >c) Rugby losers >d) Joe Brady >e) any combination thereof > >You have until the end of the day to get it all out of your systems. >End of story. > >I have yet to keep anyone from being on this list. I don't intend to >start now. BUT, if folks can't stick to common decorum, then that >will change. If those who want to talk Rugby and the England win, >take it OFF LIST. There is ALWAYS that option. I have no desire to >stop you from talking about things you're passionate about. Just >don't include the OV address in your TO:, CC:, or BCC list. > >I don't know if anyone actually read it, but there was a post saying >that UDS IS actually being released. Just thought I'd mention it. > >Also, I've had someone write me wishing to sell a piece of Del Amitri >memorabilia for charity. Does anyone know of a Charity-type eBay? > >thanks for your attention, >Darren >Admin., The Opposite View Mailing List _________________________________________________________________ online games and music with a high-speed Internet connection! Prices start at less than $1 a day average. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 13:16:23 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: UDS/charity I do recall seeing someone say that the UDS album is indeed due in February. Does anyone have any more details on that, like what label is putting it out (or are they pressing it up and selling it themselves)? And in regards to the charity auction of Dels stuff. I have seen auctions for charity on Ebay itself, so there is probably a way to do it somehow. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:35:32 +0000 From: Andrew Douglas Subject: Re: OV: OT Administrivia I presume the balloon debate is a no goer then? ;) On Monday, November 24, 2003, at 05:17 pm, darren@bendcable.com wrote: > Okay folks. Time to stop the Rugby talk, and everything that it's > brought up. > > I'm getting requests to make it stop. So, that's what we're doing. > Clear out your egos, hurt feelings, anger, pomposity, and stop > posting ABOUT: > a) Rugby > b) Rugby winners > c) Rugby losers > d) Joe Brady > e) any combination thereof > > You have until the end of the day to get it all out of your systems. > End of story. > > I have yet to keep anyone from being on this list. I don't intend to > start now. BUT, if folks can't stick to common decorum, then that > will change. If those who want to talk Rugby and the England win, > take it OFF LIST. There is ALWAYS that option. I have no desire to > stop you from talking about things you're passionate about. Just > don't include the OV address in your TO:, CC:, or BCC list. > > I don't know if anyone actually read it, but there was a post saying > that UDS IS actually being released. Just thought I'd mention it. > > Also, I've had someone write me wishing to sell a piece of Del Amitri > memorabilia for charity. Does anyone know of a Charity-type eBay? > > thanks for your attention, > Darren > Admin., The Opposite View Mailing List ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:21:58 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: Re: OV: OT Administrivia I didn't get that post about UDS. Who? Where? When? How>? >From: darren@bendcable.com >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: OT Administrivia >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:17:00 -0800 > >Okay folks. Time to stop the Rugby talk, and everything that it's >brought up. > >I'm getting requests to make it stop. So, that's what we're doing. >Clear out your egos, hurt feelings, anger, pomposity, and stop >posting ABOUT: >a) Rugby >b) Rugby winners >c) Rugby losers >d) Joe Brady >e) any combination thereof > >You have until the end of the day to get it all out of your systems. >End of story. > >I have yet to keep anyone from being on this list. I don't intend to >start now. BUT, if folks can't stick to common decorum, then that >will change. If those who want to talk Rugby and the England win, >take it OFF LIST. There is ALWAYS that option. I have no desire to >stop you from talking about things you're passionate about. Just >don't include the OV address in your TO:, CC:, or BCC list. > >I don't know if anyone actually read it, but there was a post saying >that UDS IS actually being released. Just thought I'd mention it. > >Also, I've had someone write me wishing to sell a piece of Del Amitri >memorabilia for charity. Does anyone know of a Charity-type eBay? > >thanks for your attention, >Darren >Admin., The Opposite View Mailing List - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stuck for ideas this Christmas? Find bags of gift inspiration at MSN Shopping! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:24:56 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ You're right, they are. 40 years later and whenever an international game is being played, and often domestics, if it's an English commentator 1966 will be mentioned. >From: Andrew Douglas >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 16:52:21 +0000 > >I have to say I found Joe's post about the rugby only slightly more >interesting than the hundred's of viagra ads I get in my mailbox >everyday. At this point I'd like to make clear I by no means need >viagra - I was buying it for my dad!;) > >Anyhow (remember the good old days when we stuck that word into >every post?), I've been thinking about what Joe said about booting >him from the list but the whole idea of doing something like that is >the satisfaction and fun in actually doing it, why should Darren >alone get that?? So I've got an idea. How about we have a pole, or >secret ballot if you will, we the list could then decide whether to >boot or not. I'm thinking it would be along the lines of those >crappy balloon debates you had in school so we'd need to give Joe >one post to defend his place on this list. After Joe we could >randomly select a listee each week to be up for eviction. > >Oh, I heard an thing on TV the other day about why the scots, welsh >and irish don't all rally behind the english when they win >something. I guess it's because you're all arrogant gits - and yes, >I'm just a sore loser! ;) > >andrew - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:28:50 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz How can you say bands don't do it for the money? Why do they get so upset about downloads then? Why are albums #15? Concert tickets #30, #40...? Musicians got into it cos they loved music, and now take the money, same as footballers. >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:27:37 +0100 > >Joe, > >in my opinion, it's something completely different to adore the work of a >band or some football or rugby team. And there's one simple reason for it: > > >- The band makes its music because the members love to make music. It's >art. >- The rugby/football/baseball team plays for money. I don't doubt that >they like like playing their game, but it's all about money. Every one of >these sport events is commercial. > >I don't listen to the radio, because most of the charts are being produced >not because to make fine music, but to make loads of money. And I'll keep >that line, doesn't matter if it's about music or sports or books or >anything else. >I don't want you to agree with me here, Joe. But if you feel free to tell >us about England being Rugby Champion, I feel free to tell that I dislike >these commercial sport events. ;-) > >Dirk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:31:31 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ Well as Darren said we have tonight to get it off our chest then its time to move on. The drink comment to Dirk was a joke, I thought this was plain to see? As i pointed out to Doobington who is scottish and is to is a very jealous young man when it comes to England's sporting triumphs, I know he secretly wants to be English so I will allow him to use the horrid word "Wank" as i know deep down he really wants to be English. So this question also lends itself to you Dave? What part of Wales, Scotland or Ireland do you come from as your negative posts' reek of envy for our World Conquering nation. My original post was one of fun and pride with no harm meant at all , Shame it has come to this really. Still us English are used to this type of criticism , That's why when we win it taste so much sweeter Swing Low David , Swing Low. By the way Andrew, I love the BB style vote but why should I be banned really? Anyway who thinks JC looks better with longer hair? R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: SngWrite1@aol.com >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: : OT.ZZZZZZZ >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:57:48 EST > >Joe, >First you implied that Dirk must be drunk to have formed his opinion, which >you then termed "pathetic" and "daft". Then, I'm a "big tart" and a "smug >prick" who hides "behind a laptop" because I happen to agree with Dirk. (for the >record, doobington@hotmail.com refered to you as a "wank" first, is he also a >"smug prick"?) You seem to feel that your opinion is the only one that >matters. Maybe you think you're just taking the piss out of someone, but it >doesn't come across so well in an email. > >No, there is no problem with mentioning the win. But then there should be no >problem mentioning that I was bored with the rugby talk. > >Yours, smuggly and prickley, >Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get a free connection, half-price modem and one month FREE, when you sign up for BT Broadband today! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 19:28:50 +0000 From: "scott wallace" Subject: Re: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz How can you say bands don't do it for the money? Why do they get so upset about downloads then? Why are albums #15? Concert tickets #30, #40...? Musicians got into it cos they loved music, and now take the money, same as footballers. >From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: OV: OT: zzzzzzz >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 11:27:37 +0100 > >Joe, > >in my opinion, it's something completely different to adore the work of a >band or some football or rugby team. And there's one simple reason for it: > > >- The band makes its music because the members love to make music. It's >art. >- The rugby/football/baseball team plays for money. I don't doubt that >they like like playing their game, but it's all about money. Every one of >these sport events is commercial. > >I don't listen to the radio, because most of the charts are being produced >not because to make fine music, but to make loads of money. And I'll keep >that line, doesn't matter if it's about music or sports or books or >anything else. >I don't want you to agree with me here, Joe. But if you feel free to tell >us about England being Rugby Champion, I feel free to tell that I dislike >these commercial sport events. ;-) > >Dirk - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay connected whilst on the move. Now you can get Hotmail sent directly to your mobile phone. Click here for details. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:27:07 -0800 From: "Jason Fiber" Subject: OV: RE: a new deal Yup, we looked into licensing CYDMG for the US (as well as "deluxe" reissues of their other releases)- but unfortunately DA had the misfortune of signing to a record label that is now owned by Universal Music - and they are the only major label group that has outright refused to work with us. We've approached them about a number of projects and all they responded with is "we are going to pass". Which was a really disturbing response because it's not like we're a band sending them a freaking demo!!! For all intents and purposes, what we do is like found money for them - but they just weren't interested in working with us. We also inquired about buying it outright, but we didn't have a spare 100 grand to invest. *sigh* So, unfortunately, for now, it looks like the first EMI owned album is the only Del's album we're able to do something with. We were hoping to do the Uncle Devil Show record, but the timing wasn't right for us back when it was available - and now that the timing IS good for us it's no longer available. Oh well - at least it's (finally) coming out! I agree that the band should just get in the studio and record a new album and then license it to an indie. We'd jump on it in a heartbeat, but I reckon they could do a lot better than us (I would think Sanctuary, for one, would be interested). We've just released a singles collection from New Model Army and two members are currently touring the US as an acoustic duo (ironically the singer for NMA is also named "Justin") - and it's been a major success for them - the shows are generally drawing well and they're doing a TON of merchandise sales which is helping fund the tour (I just got back from their breathtaking show at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana - so I'm on a bit of a NMA kick at the moment). I, personally, would LOVE to see DA do that sort of tour as well. Cheers! Jason www.superfecta.com - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of SngWrite1@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: a new deal Justin mentioned on the Button Up interview that having no record deal is the reason for the Dels' extended hiatus. I'm wondering if JPR is attempting to get them another major label deal, or taking a serious look at some indies or maybe the DIY approach. With the continuing consolidation of major labels (and shrinking rosters), going back to the majors would not be a smart idea. I think they would be better served by recording an album and then licensing it to an indie with good distribution channels and a solid marketing department. This could be different companies with licenses for different countries. Since tour support will either be small or non-existant with an indie, they could tour the U.S. much cheaper as an acoustic trio (Justin, Iain and Andy). On a side note, if Jason from Superfecta is reading this - have you ever considered trying to license CYDMG? for release in the U.S.? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:50:37 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: RE: a new deal Great post Jason, Cheers for the info... Did you enjoy the Rugby? Cheers Joe. R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: "Jason Fiber" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: OV: RE: a new deal >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:27:07 -0800 > >Yup, we looked into licensing CYDMG for the US (as well as "deluxe" >reissues of their other releases)- but unfortunately DA had the >misfortune of signing to a record label that is now owned by Universal >Music - and they are the only major label group that has outright >refused to work with us. We've approached them about a number of >projects and all they responded with is "we are going to pass". Which >was a really disturbing response because it's not like we're a band >sending them a freaking demo!!! For all intents and purposes, what we do >is like found money for them - but they just weren't interested in >working with us. We also inquired about buying it outright, but we >didn't have a spare 100 grand to invest. > >*sigh* > >So, unfortunately, for now, it looks like the first EMI owned album is >the only Del's album we're able to do something with. We were hoping to >do the Uncle Devil Show record, but the timing wasn't right for us back >when it was available - and now that the timing IS good for us it's no >longer available. Oh well - at least it's (finally) coming out! > >I agree that the band should just get in the studio and record a new >album and then license it to an indie. We'd jump on it in a heartbeat, >but I reckon they could do a lot better than us (I would think >Sanctuary, for one, would be interested). We've just released a singles >collection from New Model Army and two members are currently touring the >US as an acoustic duo (ironically the singer for NMA is also named >"Justin") - and it's been a major success for them - the shows are >generally drawing well and they're doing a TON of merchandise sales >which is helping fund the tour (I just got back from their breathtaking >show at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana - so I'm on a bit of a NMA kick >at the moment). I, personally, would LOVE to see DA do that sort of tour >as well. > > >Cheers! > >Jason > >www.superfecta.com > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] >On Behalf Of SngWrite1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: a new deal > > >Justin mentioned on the Button Up interview that having no record deal >is the >reason for the Dels' extended hiatus. I'm wondering if JPR is >attempting to >get them another major label deal, or taking a serious look at some >indies or >maybe the DIY approach. With the continuing consolidation of major >labels >(and shrinking rosters), going back to the majors would not be a smart >idea. > >I think they would be better served by recording an album and then >licensing >it to an indie with good distribution channels and a solid marketing >department. This could be different companies with licenses for >different countries. >Since tour support will either be small or non-existant with an indie, >they >could tour the U.S. much cheaper as an acoustic trio (Justin, Iain and >Andy). > >On a side note, if Jason from Superfecta is reading this - have you ever > >considered trying to license CYDMG? for release in the U.S.? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're fed up with spam in your inbox sign for MSN 8 with it's intelligent junk e-mail filters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:01:27 -0800 From: "Jason Fiber" Subject: RE: OV: RE: a new deal Rugby? What's that, some sort of sport? Is that the one where you use a soccer ball and play it with the same field and rules of soccer but have the odd need to call it "football"?? Here in the US the only thing interesting about sports is the tabloid lives of athletes. Kobe Bryant anyone? *grin* - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Joe Brady Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:51 PM To: jason@superfectarecordings.com; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: a new deal Great post Jason, Cheers for the info... Did you enjoy the Rugby? Cheers Joe. R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: "Jason Fiber" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: OV: RE: a new deal >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:27:07 -0800 > >Yup, we looked into licensing CYDMG for the US (as well as "deluxe" >reissues of their other releases)- but unfortunately DA had the >misfortune of signing to a record label that is now owned by Universal >Music - and they are the only major label group that has outright >refused to work with us. We've approached them about a number of >projects and all they responded with is "we are going to pass". Which >was a really disturbing response because it's not like we're a band >sending them a freaking demo!!! For all intents and purposes, what we do >is like found money for them - but they just weren't interested in >working with us. We also inquired about buying it outright, but we >didn't have a spare 100 grand to invest. > >*sigh* > >So, unfortunately, for now, it looks like the first EMI owned album is >the only Del's album we're able to do something with. We were hoping to >do the Uncle Devil Show record, but the timing wasn't right for us back >when it was available - and now that the timing IS good for us it's no >longer available. Oh well - at least it's (finally) coming out! > >I agree that the band should just get in the studio and record a new >album and then license it to an indie. We'd jump on it in a heartbeat, >but I reckon they could do a lot better than us (I would think >Sanctuary, for one, would be interested). We've just released a singles >collection from New Model Army and two members are currently touring the >US as an acoustic duo (ironically the singer for NMA is also named >"Justin") - and it's been a major success for them - the shows are >generally drawing well and they're doing a TON of merchandise sales >which is helping fund the tour (I just got back from their breathtaking >show at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana - so I'm on a bit of a NMA kick >at the moment). I, personally, would LOVE to see DA do that sort of >tour as well. > > >Cheers! > >Jason > >www.superfecta.com > >>-----Original Message----- >From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] >On Behalf Of SngWrite1@aol.com >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: OV: a new deal > > >Justin mentioned on the Button Up >interview that having no record deal >is the >reason for the Dels' extended hiatus. I'm wondering if JPR is >attempting to >get them another major label deal, or taking a serious look at some >indies or >maybe the DIY approach. With the continuing consolidation of major >labels >(and shrinking rosters), going back to the majors would not be a smart >idea. > >I think they would be better served by recording an album and then >licensing >it to an indie with good distribution channels and a solid marketing >department. This could be different companies with licenses for >different countries. >Since tour support will either be small or non-existant with an indie, >they >could tour the U.S. much cheaper as an acoustic trio (Justin, Iain and >Andy). > >On a side note, if Jason from Superfecta is reading this - have you ever > >considered trying to license CYDMG? for release in the U.S.? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If you're fed up with spam in your inbox sign for MSN 8 with it's intelligent junk e-mail filters. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:11:56 -0500 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: RE: OV: RE: a new deal No, rugby is pretend American "football"...... ;-) >From: "Jason Fiber" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: RE: OV: RE: a new deal >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 14:01:27 -0800 > >Rugby? What's that, some sort of sport? Is that the one where you use a >soccer ball and play it with the same field and rules of soccer but have >the odd need to call it "football"?? Here in the US the only thing >interesting about sports is the tabloid lives of athletes. Kobe Bryant >anyone? *grin* > > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] >On Behalf Of Joe Brady >Sent: Monday, November 24, 2003 1:51 PM >To: jason@superfectarecordings.com; oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: RE: a new deal > > >Great post Jason, Cheers for the info... > >Did you enjoy the Rugby? > >Cheers Joe. > >R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the >nation..." >From: "Jason Fiber" >Reply-To: >To: >Subject: OV: RE: a new >deal >Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 09:27:07 -0800 > >Yup, we looked into >licensing CYDMG for the US (as well as "deluxe" >reissues of their other >releases)- but unfortunately DA had the >misfortune of signing to a >record label that is now owned by Universal >Music - and they are the >only major label group that has outright >refused to work with us. We've >approached them about a number of >projects and all they responded with >is "we are going to pass". Which >was a really disturbing response >because it's not like we're a band >sending them a freaking demo!!! For >all intents and purposes, what we do >is like found money for them - but >they just weren't interested in >working with us. We also inquired about >buying it outright, but we >didn't have a spare 100 grand to invest. > > >*sigh* > >So, unfortunately, for now, it looks like the first EMI owned >album is >the only Del's album we're able to do something with. We were >hoping to >do the Uncle Devil Show record, but the timing wasn't right >for us back >when it was available - and now that the timing IS good for >us it's no >longer available. Oh well - at least it's (finally) coming >out! > >I agree that the band should just get in the studio and record a >new >album and then license it to an indie. We'd jump on it in a >heartbeat, >but I reckon they could do a lot better than us (I would >think >Sanctuary, for one, would be interested). We've just released a >singles >collection from New Model Army and two members are currently >touring the >US as an acoustic duo (ironically the singer for NMA is >also named >"Justin") - and it's been a major success for them - the >shows are > >generally drawing well and they're doing a TON of merchandise sales > >which is helping fund the tour (I just got back from their breathtaking > > >show at the Galaxy Theatre in Santa Ana - so I'm on a bit of a NMA kick > > >at the moment). I, personally, would LOVE to see DA do that sort of > >tour as well. > > >Cheers! > >Jason > >www.superfecta.com > > >>-----Original >Message----- >From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org >[mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] >On Behalf Of SngWrite1@aol.com > >Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 7:09 AM >To: oppositeview@smoe.org > >Subject: OV: a new deal > > >Justin mentioned on the Button Up > >interview >that having no record deal >is the >reason for the Dels' extended >hiatus. I'm wondering if JPR is >attempting to >get them another major >label deal, or taking a serious look at some >indies or >maybe the DIY >approach. With the continuing consolidation of major >labels >(and >shrinking rosters), going back to the majors would not be a smart >idea. > > >I think they would be better served by recording an album and then > >licensing >it to an indie with good distribution channels and a solid >marketing >department. This could be different companies with licenses >for >different countries. >Since tour support will either be small or >non-existant with an indie, >they >could tour the U.S. much cheaper as >an acoustic trio (Justin, Iain and >Andy). > >On a side note, if Jason >from Superfecta is reading this - have you ever > >considered trying to >license CYDMG? for release in the U.S.? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >If you're fed up with spam in your inbox sign for MSN 8 with it's >intelligent junk e-mail filters. _________________________________________________________________ Need a shot of Hank Williams or Patsy Cline? The classic country stars are always singing on MSN Radio Plus. Try one month free! http://join.msn.com/?page=offers/premiumradio ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #165 **********************************