From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V5 #80 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, June 2 2003 Volume 05 : Number 080 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys ["Joe Brady" ] OV: Scotland on Sunday article ["Hilary Gray" ] OV: Re: Scotland on Sunday article ["Darren Holmquist" Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys Thank you for your kinds words Nigel.It must be so difficult to be gracious in Victory, But could the same be said if you had lost? Your fans on the whole should be proud of what you have done but its a real shame that even after winning such an important game they felt they had to bottle our coach's and wreck our cars. I know you live in London now and can understand that , After being in Cardiff for just one day. In pulling into Cardiff central a boy aged about 7/8 on seeing he's 1st glimpse of your city turned to he's father and said "Dad, Its looks like Baghdad" We all laughed and there and then we knew no matter the result or no matter the league we play in , We would be living it behind after that day for ever where your boys have to live there for the rest of there lives........We had won before a ball had been kicked. As for alarm bells in the middle of the morning, Well the less said about that the better. Good Luck for next year and avoid West Ham and Millwall. All the best Joe Brady R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com >To: topdogbrady@hotmail.com >CC: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys >Date: Sat, 31 May 2003 19:12:20 EDT > >In a message dated 31/05/03 20:38:10 GMT Daylight Time, >topdogbrady@hotmail.com writes: > > Enjoy your Moment Nigel. > > > > I was there, I cried , We lost but next year we will be Champions. > > > > You might be in Divison one but your club will never have the heart and soul > > of ours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > R.T.I.D > > > > "Dont be fooled by imitations > > > > We are the hoops that rock the nation..." > > > >Joe > >II was there and cried too ... and sang ... and laughed ... and danced. > >Just realise that Cardiff City are more than a club, it's an institution. >We're not one of thirteen clubs in London, we're easily the biggest of three >that represent the proudest of nations. We have an identity that you can only >dream about. > >Your club and your players did you really proud last week and have for >several months. You have progressed so much in 2003 that it wouldn't surprise me at >all if you were champions next year. It was no classic but that was the >toughest, tensest match probably both of us have ever seen and it was a shame >somebody had to lose. Your fans and team earned a tremendous amount of respect >from ours. > >Ultimately though, even though you were losers on the day, you've spent all >your life supporting a Premier/First Division team in a dip. I'd argue Cardiff >are bigger and better than you could ever hope to be but we've had to stick >by them through 20 years of lower league football ... and we have. You have to >have been there to know and understand that, you haven't so wouldn't. > >Be loud, be proud of your efforts. We'll be fine and prosper in Div One. I >have no doubts about that and as much as I've hated him for many reasons for a >long time, your boss Holloway was gracious, said the same and went up in my >eyes. > >We lost the play-offs last year and came back this year bigger, better and >stronger when it mattered. Hopefully your lads will do the same. > >Look forward to crossing paths again ... at a higher level. > > >Fondest Regards > >Nigel - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for cheaper internet access? Choose from one of these great offers! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:08:12 -0700 From: "Darren Holmquist" Subject: OV: New subscribers Since we've had a fair number of new subscribers, I just wanted to say welcome, and please let yourself be known. If you want... There's not too much Dels news, and the recent postings are not the usual fare. We just have a fair number of football addicts on the list! Darren Admin. The Opposite View Mailing List ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 18:18:14 +0100 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Scotland on Sunday article Someone posted this link on the .co.uk forum. Anyone got the missing tapes? :-) http://news.scotsman.com/archive.cfm?id=536912003 Hilary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 10:44:01 -0700 From: "Darren Holmquist" Subject: OV: Re: Scotland on Sunday article I have the same poor quality copy that everyone else has... don't think they'd be too interested in it! :) But and interesting story. If they were going to throw the tapes out, you would think someone would say, "Hey, let's see if the band would buy them from us??" Maybe Justin has them! dh - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hilary Gray" To: "OV" Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:18 AM Subject: OV: Scotland on Sunday article > Someone posted this link on the .co.uk forum. Anyone got the missing tapes? > :-) > > http://news.scotsman.com/archive.cfm?id=536912003 > > Hilary ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 11:36:07 -0700 (PDT) From: debbsc67 Subject: OV: Fwd: REMEMBER THE EIGHTIES - your weekly newsletter! Hey, the Dels got a mention! debbie > DEL AMITRI, CABARET VOLTAIRE, and FLESH FOR LULU are > all to have > material reissued by new US label Superfecta. DEL > AMITRI's eponymous > 1985 album and CABARET VOLTAIRE's 'The Original > Sound Of Sheffield > '83-'87' will both be released on June 3rd. FLESH > FOR LULU's 'Long Live > The New Flesh' will be released on August 12th > alongside the CD debut > for the soundtrack to the film 'Bachelor Party' > which contains material > from REM, and THE ALARM not available elsewhere... > > http://www.remembertheeighties.com > __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:29:07 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys In a message dated 01/06/03 12:36:14 GMT Daylight Time, topdogbrady@hotmail.com writes: > Thank you for your kinds words Nigel.It must be so difficult to be gracious > in Victory, But could the same be said if you had lost? > > > Your fans on the whole should be proud of what you have done but its a real > shame that even after winning such an important game they felt they had to > bottle our coach's and wreck our cars. > > > I know you live in London now and can understand that , After being in > Cardiff for just one day. In pulling into Cardiff central a boy aged about 7/8 on > seeing he's 1st glimpse of your city turned to he's father and said "Dad, Its > looks like Baghdad" We all laughed and there and then we knew no matter the > result or no matter the league we play in , We would be living it behind > after that day for ever where your boys have to live there for the rest of there > lives........We had won before a ball had been kicked. > > > As for alarm bells in the middle of the morning, Well the less said about > that the better. > > > Good Luck for next year and avoid West Ham and Millwall. > > > All the best > > > Joe Brady > > > Hi Joe Thanks for your reply, hope you had a good day - I do however take exception to some of your comments which strike me as immature and not really that funny. I do not live in London, never have, and am very much a proud citizen of Cardiff. Like all cities, it has its good and bad areas. Granted, the area around our central bus station and railway station is not the most beautiful area of our city (but are you going to tell me Paddington and Victoria is any different when we first meet London). If you want to comment on a city, take time out to know the place before making judgements and values. I do not rate my opinion of London and all I see on or around Sheperd's Bush and Hammersmith you know, just as well really eh? As for all this coach and car wrecking, your comments are the first I've seen or heard of it anywhere. Only 14 arrests on a day with 300,000 in the stadium or around the centre were for ticket touting or drunkeness, not at all consistent with your experience of lawlessness. I am sorry if that happened, if indeed it did, but that doesn't mean it was Cardiff fans or even anyone at the game. As posted before, there's been infinitely more problems this season at QPR games than at Cardiff so look a bit closer to home before you condemn others. It's fantastic that you are rightly proud of your roots, your home city and your beloved football team but you'll do yourselve many more favours if you weren't equally so arrogant and patronising towards others. All that said, have a good summer Joe and good luck to your boys next season. Your supporters deserve higher grade football and I'm sure it will come your way. We've had to wait a long, long time, I've a funny feeling you won't have to wait anywhere near as long - I'll certainly be putting a wager on your lads for next term. Nige . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2003 22:54:18 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys And if you ever say anything like that again i will come round and kick your head in? Nigel, I know that welsh people don't really sleep with Sheep, Like folk from London don't really eat Jellied Eel's but it has to be said Cardiff is a to beauty what Del Amitri is coolness, Not very much. As i said before Thank you for your nice comments about my team and there fans, There was no malice intended in my earlier post, Just trying to explain what on the whole i thought of your city for what i saw? I mean if you were to take that stadium out of Cardiff why would anybody really want to go there? The Welsh's hate us English and the welcome you get there is one that is comparable to a fart in a astronauts suit. Your boyos won on the day which i think as you so rightly say could of gone either way.I do think that with Mr.. Lawrence in charge you could struggle in Div 1 as i think he will be out of he's depth there.But your Club deserve a bigger presence then Div 2 and with more money to spend you could make a go of it next Season. I have a pair of big Danny Shittus shorts from the game last week if you would like to buy then off me, They come with an extra pocket where Earnshaw was all game....Good looking boy him , Bet David Beckam is shitting himself with the thought of him being the new face of Colgate? All the best Nigel. And wait to you see the East end , Makes the Bush looks like Chelsea flower show. R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the nation..." >From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com >To: topdogbrady@hotmail.com >CC: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:29:07 EDT > >In a message dated 01/06/03 12:36:14 GMT Daylight Time, >topdogbrady@hotmail.com writes: > > > > Thank you for your kinds words Nigel.It must be so difficult to be gracious > > in Victory, But could the same be said if you had lost? > > > > > > Your fans on the whole should be proud of what you have done but its a real > > shame that even after winning such an important game they felt they had to > > bottle our coach's and wreck our cars. > > > > > > I know you live in London now and can understand that , After being in > > Cardiff for just one day. In pulling into Cardiff central a boy aged about 7/8 on > > seeing he's 1st glimpse of your city turned to he's father and said "Dad, Its > > looks like Baghdad" We all laughed and there and then we knew no matter the > > result or no matter the league we play in , We would be living it behind > > after that day for ever where your boys have to live there for the rest of there > > lives........We had won before a ball had been kicked. > > > > > > As for alarm bells in the middle of the morning, Well the less said about > > that the better. > > > > > > Good Luck for next year and avoid West Ham and Millwall. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Joe Brady > > > > > > > >Hi Joe > >Thanks for your reply, hope you had a good day - I do however take exception >to some of your comments which strike me as immature and not really that >funny. > >I do not live in London, never have, and am very much a proud citizen of >Cardiff. Like all cities, it has its good and bad areas. Granted, the area >around our central bus station and railway station is not the most beautiful area >of our city (but are you going to tell me Paddington and Victoria is any >different when we first meet London). > >If you want to comment on a city, take time out to know the place before >making judgements and values. I do not rate my opinion of London and all I see on >or around Sheperd's Bush and Hammersmith you know, just as well really eh? > >As for all this coach and car wrecking, your comments are the first I've seen >or heard of it anywhere. Only 14 arrests on a day with 300,000 in the >stadium or around the centre were for ticket touting or drunkeness, not at all >consistent with your experience of lawlessness. I am sorry if that happened, if >indeed it did, but that doesn't mean it was Cardiff fans or even anyone at the >game. As posted before, there's been infinitely more problems this season at >QPR games than at Cardiff so look a bit closer to home before you condemn >others. > >It's fantastic that you are rightly proud of your roots, your home city and >your beloved football team but you'll do yourselve many more favours if you >weren't equally so arrogant and patronising towards others. > >All that said, have a good summer Joe and good luck to your boys next season. > Your supporters deserve higher grade football and I'm sure it will come your >way. We've had to wait a long, long time, I've a funny feeling you won't >have to wait anywhere near as long - I'll certainly be putting a wager on your >lads for next term. > >Nige > > >. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Looking for cheaper internet access? Choose from one of these great offers! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 15:26:29 -0700 (PDT) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Re: Scotland on Sunday article 'Craig McLean, the former deputy editor of The Face, said: "I personally dont think the lack of an early Wet Wet Wet session will be much of a great loss. But we shouldnt be too hard on them.' Hehe, thanks for the laugh! - -Doug . Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 23:33:51 +0100 From: "Andrew Douglas" Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys I don't know about anyone else on this list, but I for one don't really care much for the local footie updates. As for you not intending any malice by your email, Joe, well I think you'd do well to read it again. And if your second email was supposed to be an apology, the line "I mean if you were to take that stadium out of Cardiff why would anybody really want to go there?" should probably have been dropped. Stick with the del emails, boys. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Brady" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys > And if you ever say anything like that again i will come round and kick > your head in? > > Nigel, I know that welsh people don't really sleep with Sheep, Like folk > from London don't really eat Jellied Eel's but it has to be said Cardiff > is a to beauty what Del Amitri is coolness, Not very much. > > As i said before Thank you for your nice comments about my team and there > fans, There was no malice intended in my earlier post, Just trying to > explain what on the whole i thought of your city for what i saw? > > I mean if you were to take that stadium out of Cardiff why would anybody > really want to go there? > > The Welsh's hate us English and the welcome you get there is one that is > comparable to a fart in a astronauts suit. Your boyos won on the day > which i think as you so rightly say could of gone either way.I do think > that with Mr.. Lawrence in charge you could struggle in Div 1 as i think > he will be out of he's depth there.But your Club deserve a bigger > presence then Div 2 and with more money to spend you could make a go of > it next Season. > > I have a pair of big Danny Shittus shorts from the game last week if you > would like to buy then off me, They come with an extra pocket where > Earnshaw was all game....Good looking boy him , Bet David Beckam is > shitting himself with the thought of him being the new face of Colgate? > > All the best Nigel. > > And wait to you see the East end , Makes the Bush looks like Chelsea > flower show. > > R.T.I.D"Dont be fooled by imitations We are the hoops that rock the > nation..." >From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com >To: topdogbrady@hotmail.com >CC: > oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: Commiserations to the QPR boys > >Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2003 17:29:07 EDT > >In a message dated 01/06/03 > 12:36:14 GMT Daylight Time, >topdogbrady@hotmail.com writes: > > > > > Thank you for your kinds words Nigel.It must be so difficult to be > gracious > > in Victory, But could the same be said if you had lost? > > > > > > > Your fans on the whole should be proud of what you have done but > its a real > > shame that even after winning such an important game they > felt they had to > > bottle our coach's and wreck our cars. > > > > > > I > know you live in London now and can understand that , After being in > > > Cardiff for just one day. In pulling into Cardiff central a boy aged > about 7/8 on > > seeing he's 1st glimpse of your city turned to he's > father and said "Dad, Its > > looks like Baghdad" We all laughed and > there and then we knew no matter the > > result or no matter the league > we play in , We would be living it behind > > after that day for ever > where your boys have to live there for the rest of there > > > lives........We had won before a ball had been kicked. > > > > > > As for > alarm bells in the middle of the morning, Well the less said about > > > that the better. > > > > > > Good Luck for next year and avoid West Ham > and Millwall. > > > > > > All the best > > > > > > Joe Brady > > > > > > > > >Hi Joe > >Thanks for your reply, hope you had a good day - I do > however take exception >to some of your comments which strike me as > immature and not really that >funny. > >I do not live in London, never > have, and am very much a proud citizen of >Cardiff. Like all cities, it > has its good and bad areas. Granted, the area >around our central bus > station and railway station is not the most beautiful area >of our city > (but are you going to tell me Paddington and Victoria is any >different > when we first meet London). > >If you want to comment on a city, take > time out to know the place before >making judgements and values. I do not > rate my opinion of London and all I see on >or around Sheperd's Bush and > Hammersmith you know, just as well really eh? > >As for all this coach > and car wrecking, your comments are the first I've seen >or heard of it > anywhere. Only 14 arrests on a day with 300,000 in the >stadium or around > the centre were for ticket touting or drunkeness, not at all >consistent > with your experience of lawlessness. I am sorry if that happened, if > >indeed it did, but that doesn't mean it was Cardiff fans or even anyone > at the >game. As posted before, there's been infinitely more problems > this season at >QPR games than at Cardiff so look a bit closer to home > before you condemn >others. > >It's fantastic that you are rightly proud > of your roots, your home city and >your beloved football team but you'll > do yourselve many more favours if you >weren't equally so arrogant and > patronising towards others. > >All that said, have a good summer Joe and > good luck to your boys next season. > Your supporters deserve higher > grade football and I'm sure it will come your >way. We've had to wait a > long, long time, I've a funny feeling you won't >have to wait anywhere > near as long - I'll certainly be putting a wager on your >lads for next > term. > >Nige > > >. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Looking for cheaper internet access? Choose from one of these great > offers! ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V5 #80 *********************************