From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #289 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, November 26 2002 Volume 04 : Number 289 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: OT: Streaming McAlmont & Butler Gig [Neil Matheson ] Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 ["Andrew Douglas" ] Re: OV: OT: Streaming McAlmont & Butler Gig [debbsc67 ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 04:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: Neil Matheson Subject: OV: OT: Streaming McAlmont & Butler Gig XFM is streaming a recent McAlmont & Butler session at Sound (all 17 tracks of it!) at: http://www.xfm.co.uk/webClient?guid=42160# Cheers, Neil - ------------------------------- Neil Matheson mathesn@planet-save.com _____________________________________________________________ Help save rainforest or feed orphaned chimpanzees with Redjellyfish Long Distance! http://www.redjellyfish.com/longdistance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 10:31:22 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 Ya know, I never understood where people got "'Mats" out of The ReplaceMENTS. Weird... just an observation, debbie - --- Josh Neas wrote: > Bands I wish I'd seen... > > The Replacements - although I got to see Paul > Westerberg this summer and he > was every bit as magnificent as I could have hoped. > Still to see The 'Mats > was an experience in itself. Although would I have > wanted to see Bob-era or > Slim-era? Hmm. I have affinities for both. :) > > Wire - although they toured the U.S. earlier this > year and only came to > Atlanta (in terms of closeness to me) and I > couldn't. Their new EPs are > every bit as exciting as their original three > albums. > > josh. Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:40:29 -0000 From: "Andrew Douglas" Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 I always figured it came from a pun of placemats - ----- Original Message ----- From: "debbsc67" To: "Josh Neas" ; Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:31 PM Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 > Ya know, I never understood where people got "'Mats" > out of The ReplaceMENTS. Weird... > > just an observation, > debbie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 15:14:59 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V3 #257 >>>Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2001 20:05:34 -0700 (PDT) >>>From: Alison Bellach Subject: OV: audiogalaxy >>>anyone else notice that they are restricting downloads now? Kind of an update on where the downloading matter stands in the courts right now... http://news.zdnet.co.uk/cgi-bin/uk/printerfriendly.cgi?id=2126445&tid=269 Court to decide Kazaa's US liability John Borland, CNET News.com A Los Angeles federal judge will hear arguments Monday as to whether record companies and movie studios can sue the parent company of Kazaa, the most popular online file-swapping service, in the United States. Much of Kazaa's future, from a business and legal perspective, hangs on the judge's decision. The parent company, Sharman Networks, is headquartered in Australia and incorporated in the Pacific Island nation of Vanuatu, and has tried to keep business contact with the United States to a minimum in order to decrease its legal risk. If a judge says Sharman can be sued in the United States, Kazaa will get sucked into the same legal maelstrom that has grabbed Napster, Aimster, Audio Galaxy, Grokster and Morpheus, closing some of the popular services and threatening the existence of the others. The Kazaa case is the biggest yet in the recent copyright wars that have been testing the international reach of US courts. "There are obviously a lot of companies that hope being offshore will give them some immunity from the incredible litigation machine," said Fred von Lohmann, senior intellectual-property attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which is representing Sharman rival Streamcast Networks in an associated case. The judge's decision, von Lohmann said, "will send an important message". The issue of cross-border legal reach has become increasingly important as companies dealing in file-swapping, and other Internet businesses offering copyrighted works, have popped overseas. Record companies, movie studios and software companies have been forced to scramble and use unconventional legal and technological means to attack these services. The Kazaa case itself may not lead to a sweeping legal precedent, however. Jurisdictional arguments rise and fall on whether a company has sufficient contact with United States residents to make it liable under US law. However, in Sharman's case, the company itself has a contract with its peer-to-peer technology vendor, Blastoise, which says that disputes should be litigated in Los Angeles court, according to a record industry attorney. "There's nothing novel in the law here," said Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) senior vice president Matt Oppenheim. Sharman attorney Rod Dorman said the earlier contract has been renegotiated so that any disputes would take place in the United Kingdom, not the United States. He says the company simply hasn't had enough business contact inside the United States to be sued there. That doesn't mean the company is trying to avoid legal contact with the record labels or movie studios altogether. The copyright holders can come to the company's headquarters in Australia and sue it there, Dorman said. "Sharman has not purposively availed itself of the privileges of doing business in California to a sufficient amount to establish jurisdiction," Dorman said. Sharman has expanded its operations to allow commerce activities and advertising inside its Kazaa file-swapping service over the past few months. However, it has backed away from offering a promised paid subscription service, many of the subscribers to which would have likely been US residents. That decision could be revisited should a judge rule that it is already subject to US laws. If Sharman loses this round, the company will be added to a larger lawsuit ongoing against Streamcast Networks and Grokster, two rival file-swapping companies that use the same underlying technology as Sharman. A critical hearing in that case will be held on 2 December, in which both sides will argue that the case should be concluded immediately with a so-called summary judgment without going to a full trial. Each side is arguing for the completion of the case in its own favor. The hearing Monday will take place at 1:30 PST (9:30 pm GMT) in federal judge Stephen Wilson's court in Los Angeles. - ----Original Message Follows---- From: owner-oppositeview-digest@artsci.wustl.edu Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #257 Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 18:45:38 +0000 << multipart1 >> _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:40:25 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: OT: Streaming McAlmont & Butler Gig What's McAlmont & Butler? Never heard of 'em. debbie - --- Neil Matheson wrote: > XFM is streaming a recent McAlmont & Butler session > at Sound (all 17 tracks of it!) at: > > http://www.xfm.co.uk/webClient?guid=42160# > > Cheers, > > Neil > > ------------------------------- > Neil Matheson > mathesn@planet-save.com > > _____________________________________________________________ > Help save rainforest or feed orphaned chimpanzees > with Redjellyfish Long Distance! > http://www.redjellyfish.com/longdistance Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 14:52:11 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 Yeah, I guess that would make sense. Still, it must be an inside joke or something 'cause I just don't see the connection...then again, I never got into them no matter what they're being called. thanks, debbie - --- Andrew Douglas wrote: > I always figured it came from a pun of placemats > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "debbsc67" > To: "Josh Neas" ; > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2002 6:31 PM > Subject: Re: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 > > > > Ya know, I never understood where people got > "'Mats" > > out of The ReplaceMENTS. Weird... > > > > just an observation, > > debbie Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #289 **********************************