From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #287 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, November 23 2002 Volume 04 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted ["Ian and Sydna Taylor" ] OV: Re: Welsh Football [PWWelsh@aol.com] OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted ["Claire O'Rourke" ] Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted [MinervAthene@aol.com] OV: OT - Lawsuit Spotlights Tensions Among Record Companies ["Jen Woyan" ] Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted [debbsc67 ] Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted [debbsc67 ] OV: No Dels: Pete Murray on tour, supporting Bic Runga [=?iso-8859-1?q?Mi] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:28:36 -0000 From: "Ian and Sydna Taylor" Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted This is one for the British on this list. My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I caught a glimpse of some highlights yesterday. There is a contestant called David from Glasgow who is the absolute image of a very young Justin Currie. I wonder if they are related in any way as the similarity and the fact that they both come from Glasgow must be too much of a coincidence. Cheers Sydna "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive"(Robert Louis Stevenson) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:17:48 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: Re: OV: Greatest Group You Missed For me the greatest group I missed must be either Genesis or Pink Floyd. :o( SoundGarden are another band I'd love to have seen live. Cheers Chris Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:00:17 -0000 From: "Tina Maidman" Subject: OV: greatest group you missed No contest... The Beatles (circa 1961/2), just born too late - shite! Also, would've loved to have seen Jeff Buckley more than just the once ;.( How about 'I was there...'! REM, their first UK gig at the (old) Marquee in London, they had something (?) THEN! , The Stranglers at Hammersmith Odeon, the night they had all the bouncers removed and there was a mini-riot - glorious! Tina Sting Fan Club PO Box 34902 LONDON SW6 5WZ UK www.sting.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 12:06:07 -0500 From: PWWelsh@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Welsh Football Nigel, What's the reason for the turn-around? Has Sparkey instilled some belief into the players? I must confess, even as a Liverpool fan, I always loved Mark Hughes as a player. I think he had the best first touch of any player I ever saw. And what a humble fella too, I met him on holiday about 16 years ago (Spain or Teneriffe, somewhere like that), he is about my age and he was on a lads drinking holiday just like us. He was already established in the Man U team but he was just one of the lads, no ego, willing to talk footy, very unasuming.....top fella. Contrast that with Charlie Nicholas who we saw on the same trip. Charlie was dressed to the nines, gold jewelry hanging all over him and surrounded by a huge entourage, you couldn't get near him even if you wanted to. Anyway I wish the Welsh continued success, I remember as a young lad watching them (on telly)lose to Scotland at Anfield in a World Cup Qualifier.....a very dodgy pen knocked in by Kenny Dalglish. It seems like the passion usually associated with rugby has now transferred to football. Good talking to you. Paul. P.S. Couldn't agree more on your Elvis thoughts. I saw him here in Philly during the summer and then again last month, two completely different sets with the exception of three or four songs. I was sitting second row center wearing my Liverpool shirt, he spotted it and gave me a nice acknowledgment. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:29:26 -0000 From: "Claire O'Rourke" Subject: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted I totally agree!!! The first night I saw him and I thought he looked like a love child of Justin and Marti Pellow!!?????/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian and Sydna Taylor To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted > This is one for the British on this list. > My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I caught a glimpse of some > highlights yesterday. > There is a contestant called David from Glasgow who is the absolute image of > a very young Justin Currie. > I wonder if they are related in any way as the similarity and the fact that > they both come from Glasgow must be too much of a coincidence. > Cheers > Sydna > > > "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive"(Robert Louis > Stevenson) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 13:20:28 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted Firstly, eewwww!!!! (long-lost love-child of Justin & Marti??? >>shudder<<) Secondly, is there a photo to be shared? This is too intriguing.... Cheers, Jen - ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Claire O'Rourke" To: "Ian and Sydna Taylor" CC: "list" Subject: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:29:26 -0000 I totally agree!!! The first night I saw him and I thought he looked like a love child of Justin and Marti Pellow!!?????/ - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian and Sydna Taylor To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted > This is one for the British on this list. > My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I caught a glimpse of some > highlights yesterday. > There is a contestant called David from Glasgow who is the absolute image of > a very young Justin Currie. > I wonder if they are related in any way as the similarity and the fact that > they both come from Glasgow must be too much of a coincidence. > Cheers > Sydna > > > "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive"(Robert Louis > Stevenson) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 15:24:48 EST From: MinervAthene@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted You can see a photo here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy/student_profiles/index41.shtml I have to admit, yes I have been watching the show. At first I avoided it, but my dad's girlfriend was hooked, and I got quite drawn in. Then, yesterday, I got an email from a guy I went to uni with, asking if we could vote for one of his best friends as he was on Fame Academy - yup, David Sneddon! Small world! Sarah In a message dated 22/11/2002 19:21:57 GMT Standard Time, jenwoyan@hotmail.com writes: << From: jenwoyan@hotmail.com (Jen Woyan) Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org To: clara99@btopenworld.com, bucktaylor@totalise.co.uk CC: oppositeview@smoe.org Firstly, eewwww!!!! (long-lost love-child of Justin & Marti??? >>shudder<<) Secondly, is there a photo to be shared? This is too intriguing.... Cheers, Jen ----Original Message Follows---- From: "Claire O'Rourke" To: "Ian and Sydna Taylor" CC: "list" Subject: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:29:26 -0000 I totally agree!!! The first night I saw him and I thought he looked like a love child of Justin and Marti Pellow!!?????/ ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian and Sydna Taylor To: Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:28 AM Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted > This is one for the British on this list. > My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I caught a glimpse of some > highlights yesterday. > There is a contestant called David from Glasgow who is the absolute image of > a very young Justin Currie. > I wonder if they are related in any way as the similarity and the fact that > they both come from Glasgow must be too much of a coincidence. > Cheers > Sydna > > > "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to arrive"(Robert Louis > Stevenson) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 10:56:57 -0600 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: OV: OT - Lawsuit Spotlights Tensions Among Record Companies http://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/22/business/media/22MUSI.html?ei=5040&en=cd34 1913d98c7906&ex=1038632400&partner=MOREOVER&pagewanted=print&position=top November 22, 2002 Lawsuit Spotlights Tensions Among Record Companies By NEIL STRAUSS LOS ANGELES, Nov. 21  A $30 million breach-of-contract suit filed here this week by an independent record label has put a focus on a simmering feud between many of the indies and the larger labels they have come to rely on for financing and the production and distribution of compact discs. In court papers filed in State Superior Court, Jcor, a new company that features emerging rap and rock acts, contended that Universal Music Group's powerful Interscope label and its chairman, Jimmy Iovine, in an effort to drive Jcor out of business, withheld millions of dollars due it. The benefit to Interscope, the papers contend, is that it would be in a position to take over Jcor's strongest acts. Reached for a response, a spokeswoman for Interscope Records said, "We haven't seen the lawsuit, therefore we can't comment." But executives close to the Interscope and Jcor deal say the dispute was more a product of Jcor's hiding its true financial position at the time it signed its distribution contract with Interscope and then trying to use Interscope money to finance its business. They contended that the contract gave the company the right to withhold payments to Jcor and that Interscope was never interested in taking any of Jcor's talent. As Jcor sank, though, several of its acts became associated with Interscope but almost all of its artists, including the rappers Eightball, Slum Village and Mystic, landed on labels not affiliated with Universal. Still, this is far from the first lawsuit smaller companies have filed against Interscope or Universal with similar allegations. During an era of mass consolidation in the troubled record industry, the suits are another instance of the smaller players arguing that they are victims of the major label's pressures and accounting practices. According to Jay Faires, the founder of Jcor, his company had had a strong Christmas season last year, selling $4 million worth of records, but had not received any money from Interscope, as he said his deal called for. In an interview, he said an executive at Interscope told him that this was so because, in the industry jargon, Interscope was holding 100 percent reserves. It is a common industry practice for a company to hold what are called reserves in case not all of the CD's shipped to record stores are sold. But a reserve of 100 percent would indicate that the company is assuming the sale of no CD's at all. In addition, under Jcor's deal, Mr. Faires said, the company was to receive another $2 million. Mr. Faires said in the weeks before the conversation that the label had sold more CD's than in any other week of his 15-year career, thanks to new albums from the rapper Eightball and the punk band Saves the Day. Over the next month, Mr. Faires said that he called dozens of executives, to no avail. Enraged, he called two other executives, both of whom had labels distributed by Interscope. He said each told him that Interscope was going to steal his artists. (Contacted separately, both executives, speaking on the condition of anonymity, confirmed their comments made to Mr. Faires.) Today, Jcor is $5 million in debt, out of operation, and mired in lawsuits from creditors. In the meantime, several acts previously associated with Jcor, including Saves the Day and the rock band Dashboard Confessional, are now affiliated with Interscope. Executives close to the Interscope issue say there is more to the story. Not only did most Jcor acts wind up elsewhere, they say, but there is some dispute over whether the above-named artists that did end up on Interscope were ever part of Jcor to begin. Beyond this debate, these executives contend that when Mr. Faires first proposed working together, he claimed to have $25 million at his company's disposal, but that he never had the money and instead relied on $3 million forwarded by Interscope to start his company. Mr. Faires denies ever claiming he had $25 million, and notes that the advance was actually $4 million. Whatever the situation, the hot-button issue of whether the big companies hold back money in an effort to squeeze the smaller labels is alive in the industry. In the late 1980's and early 1990's, when gangsta rap and alternative rock took over the music business, major labels hustled to make deals with independent labels. For various reasons, many of those labels are either gone or struggling while their popular acts have either left them for major labels or simply broken up. Many of today's independent entrepreneurs are entering deals with major labels more cautiously. Don Engel, a leading music business lawyer, is handling a suit similar to Jcor's against Universal that was brought by Radioactive Records. He said he was convinced that the companies were using various methods to cheat the artists and their joint venture partners. "I believe that Jay Faires's case and others have merit," he said. The owners of several small labels that entered into joint ventures with Interscope and other divisions of the Universal Music Group said that the big company would either cut off funds to the label or cite unclear language in the contracts to commandeer their bands. A representative for Universal declined to comment on any of the allegations. "I have watched this go on with other labels" besides Jcor, said a former top-ranking Interscope executive, who spoke on the condition of anonymity. "They will just cut payment off to a label and, at the same time, approach the artist directly. This is what they've done: not just to Jay but to everyone." Labels cited include Outpost, whose bands Crystal Method and Days of the New ended up on Interscope while Outpost disappeared, and Trauma, which sued Interscope for $100 million but settled out of court, leaving Interscope in possession of the band No Doubt. Executives associated with Interscope, however, had differing accounts of these stories. They said that Outpost was dropped during the merger of Universal and Polygram. And they said that No Doubt was originally given by Interscope to Trauma Records, which tried to claim the band as its own after the success of the group's "Tragic Kingdom" record. In fact, those tied to Interscope say, the label encourages acts it has signed to collaborate with the smaller labels it has deals with. Examples they cited included moving Eminem to Dr. Dre for his Aftermath label; the rapper Bubba Sparxxx to the producer Timbaland for his Beat Club label; and the rapper Eve to the Ruff Ryders label. The Interscope deal was not Mr. Faires's first experience with a major label. In 1997, when Atlantic Records ended its joint venture with the last label Mr. Faires owned, Mammoth, there was a minor scuffle but no hard feelings. "Atlantic made me leave a platinum act there," Mr. Faires said, referring to the rock band Seven Mary Three, "but they didn't force me out of business. They gave me time to get a new deal for Mammoth." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:20:10 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted Why ewwww? They're both attractive Scottish guys. Granted....not possible for a love child shared by both of them.... debbie - --- Jen Woyan wrote: > Firstly, eewwww!!!! (long-lost love-child of Justin > & Marti??? >>shudder<<) > Secondly, is there a photo to be shared? This is > too intriguing.... > > Cheers, > Jen > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Claire O'Rourke" > To: "Ian and Sydna Taylor" > > CC: "list" > Subject: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:29:26 -0000 > > I totally agree!!! > The first night I saw him and I thought he looked > like a love child of > Justin and Marti Pellow!!?????/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian and Sydna Taylor > > To: > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted > > > > This is one for the British on this list. > > My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I > caught a glimpse of some > > highlights yesterday. > > There is a contestant called David from Glasgow > who is the absolute image > of > > a very young Justin Currie. > > I wonder if they are related in any way as the > similarity and the fact > that > > they both come from Glasgow must be too much of a > coincidence. > > Cheers > > Sydna > > > > > > "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to > arrive"(Robert Louis > > Stevenson) > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Yahoo! Mail Plus  Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 21:30:25 -0800 (PST) From: debbsc67 Subject: Re: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted Hmm...I'm not exactly seeing much of a Justin/Marti collaboration, but maybe a little hint of them (Justin's burns--miniature version-- and Marti's smile, perhaps?), plus you might as well throw in a little Stuart Adamson, too. debbie - --- MinervAthene@aol.com wrote: > You can see a photo here: > http://www.bbc.co.uk/fameacademy/student_profiles/index41.shtml > > I have to admit, yes I have been watching the show. > At first I avoided it, > but my dad's girlfriend was hooked, and I got quite > drawn in. Then, > yesterday, I got an email from a guy I went to uni > with, asking if we could > vote for one of his best friends as he was on Fame > Academy - yup, David > Sneddon! Small world! > > Sarah > > > In a message dated 22/11/2002 19:21:57 GMT Standard > Time, > jenwoyan@hotmail.com writes: > > << From: jenwoyan@hotmail.com (Jen Woyan) > Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > To: clara99@btopenworld.com, > bucktaylor@totalise.co.uk > CC: oppositeview@smoe.org > > Firstly, eewwww!!!! (long-lost love-child of Justin > & Marti??? >>shudder<<) > Secondly, is there a photo to be shared? This is > too intriguing.... > > Cheers, > Jen > > ----Original Message Follows---- > From: "Claire O'Rourke" > To: "Ian and Sydna Taylor" > > CC: "list" > Subject: OV: Re: Justin Lookalike Spotted > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 16:29:26 -0000 > > I totally agree!!! > The first night I saw him and I thought he looked > like a love child of > Justin and Marti Pellow!!?????/ > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ian and Sydna Taylor > > To: > Sent: Friday, November 22, 2002 10:28 AM > Subject: OV: Justin Lookalike Spotted > > > > This is one for the British on this list. > > My daughter loves Fame Academy on BBC1, and I > caught a glimpse of some > > highlights yesterday. > > There is a contestant called David from Glasgow > who is the absolute image > of > > a very young Justin Currie. > > I wonder if they are related in any way as the > similarity and the fact > that > > they both come from Glasgow must be too much of > a coincidence. > > Cheers > > Sydna > > > > > > "To travel hopefully is a better thing than to > arrive"(Robert Louis > > Stevenson) Yahoo! 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