From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #247 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, October 1 2002 Volume 04 : Number 247 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Not Where It's At ["George Carlston" ] Re: OV: Not Where It's At [doug brown ] Re: OV: Not Where It's At ["Andrew Douglas" ] Re: OV: Not Where It's At ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Not Where It's At [Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 11:29:24 -0400 From: "George Carlston" Subject: OV: Not Where It's At The slight rehash of SOSP (or its recording/mixing) bashing made me try something I hadn't done yet. I listened to NWIA from Hatful, then from SOSP. It seemed to me that the Hatful version had a bit more "shimmer". I could be hallucinating, but maybe Hatful's mastering gave it the edge. Anyway, I love SOSP and have found that if you play it LOUD you'll find that the mix sounds pretty good. It was probably mixed that way, so it takes the volume to bring out the dynamics. Ian's guitar magic is all over that album in little parts that get lost at lower volumes. One thing missing from the discussion is that Twisted was mixed by Bob Clearmountain, who is probably one of the best mixers in the business. I think the band wanted him for SOSP, but he wasn't available. Anyway, if you listen to other albums mixed by Bob C. you'll end up hearing his "sound" on all of them. (Squeeze's "Play" is one...) One of the aspects of that sound is the almost magical way each part is placed in the mix. Every instrument and vocal part seems to have its own space, with everything sitting perfectly in the mix. Nothing gets lost, and everything sounds beautiful. If your stereo can handle it, you'll find that SOSP will have the same effect when you turn it up! George (de-lurking just long enough to rant...) (And who loves just about every track he's ever heard with the name of Del Amitri on the label.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 12:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Not Where It's At My biggest complaint with SOSP is the "Live in the Studio" feel that they were trying to give it. They often mentioned this about that album, but I feel like the album really suffers from underproduction other than the voiceover harmonies, and practically winds up sounding almost a demo sometimes. A perfect example is What I Think She Sees. Very nice song that could have been wonderful with some work, but instead just comes off sounding plodding and boring. There are some great songs on there, Life Is Full and Make It Always Be Too Late come to mind, but overall the plethora of blandness and ballads made it miss out on the spark that Twisted and Change Everything have. ===== - -Doug . New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 21:47:54 +0100 From: "Andrew Douglas" Subject: Re: OV: Not Where It's At I always think (well, obviously not always as that would be verging on sad, and I'm not sad;)) that if they'd got Paul Fox the producer from Texas's Rick's Road album, it would have sounded much better. I think it was the sound they were going for, although to be honest I don't really know. Personal fave on that album has to be Lucky Guy. andrew - ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug brown" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 8:11 PM Subject: Re: OV: Not Where It's At > My biggest complaint with SOSP is the "Live in the > Studio" feel that they were trying to give it. They > often mentioned this about that album, but I feel like > the album really suffers from underproduction other > than the voiceover harmonies, and practically winds up > sounding almost a demo sometimes. > > A perfect example is What I Think She Sees. Very nice > song that could have been wonderful with some work, > but instead just comes off sounding plodding and > boring. > > There are some great songs on there, Life Is Full and > Make It Always Be Too Late come to mind, but overall > the plethora of blandness and ballads made it miss out > on the spark that Twisted and Change Everything have. > > ===== > -Doug > > > > . > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 23:12:03 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: Not Where It's At > There are some great songs on there, Life Is Full and > Make It Always Be Too Late come to mind, but overall > the plethora of blandness and ballads made it miss out > on the spark that Twisted and Change Everything have. > Gosh!!! Doug and I agree on something! The reason I don't like the album as a whole is that there are too many bland "soppy" songs. High Times is one of my faves from SOSP though. It is the one track which really jumped out at me first time of listening. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OUT TODAY!!! John Otway - His next Hit Single BUNSEN BURNER featuring Eddie and myself on backing vocals on the B Side (along with 998 others!) Buy it at http://www.hmv.co.uk NOW !!! Find out more at http://www.hithithit.com or http://www.otnews.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:04:16 +0200 From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de Subject: Re: OV: Not Where It's At Well, I really really like SOSP, especially the fact that it sometimes sound just like demos, because I really like demos. I would be glad to have demos of all the Del songs. :-) And to be honest, "What I think she sees" is one of my all-time favorites, but I think it's MUUUUUUUUUCH better in the live version they performed around the '98 tour, the one which is longer than the album version... Dirk ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #247 **********************************