From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #244 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, September 28 2002 Volume 04 : Number 244 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic [Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic > The cardinal sin of an artist in my opinion is to become boring. My favorite > album is still Waking Hours, but I already have one copy of that album, I'd > be bored if they hadn't changed a bit over the years. I don't want five > albums that all sound like Waking Hours. I have to agree Dave. I used to be a big fan of Chris Rea - but after Road To Hell his songs didn't seem to evolve for a while (his latest album is an exception). I found that he started regurgitating lyrics and themes and changing them only slightly, and I could predict exactly how the songs were going to go and what riffs he would use. This then devalued his earlier (pre Road To Hell) work - which is what I originally fell in love with. OK, granted, the majority of casual fans would never have heard Deltics or Wired To The Moon, but for those of us who stuck by him for years before R2H there was no excitement and the music was boring and formulaic. "Time for me to go" I thought, and I then stopped buying the albums. With the Dels, the albums up to and including Twisted gave me a real buzz. I found them exciting and can play them over and over again. I don't think I've taken CYDMG out of it's sleeve since the tour ended, likewise SOSP. They neither of them do it for me as albums after the initial thrill of a whole new CD of Dels stuff has worn off. I love individual tracks - but many of the tracks wash over me and do nothing for me. Whereas I can never tire of WH, CE and Twisted. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ John Otway - 2002 The Year of The Hit His next Hit Single BUNSEN BURNER featuring Eddie and I on backing vocals on the B Side (along with 998 others!) Released this Monday, 30 September 2002!!! Buy it at http://www.hmv.co.uk Find out more at http://www.hithithit.com or http://www.otnews.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:31:29 -0500 From: Kelly Doudna Subject: OV: M20 v. Dels v. Queen v. Time >A friend who is a musician and a huge Dels fan just sent >me an MP3 for Matchbox 20's track "Disease" mainly >because it sounds eerily like a "Twisted" out-take Hmm. Just listened to "Disease" once. It reminds me more of that "Smooth" song Rob Thomas sang for Santana. In my mind, anyway, Del Amitri are safe from being ripped off--er, flattered by imitation... I still love CYDMG. I really enjoy it now that I'm pretty familiar with it, after having learned it and having longer stretches in between listenings. More power to them for trying different things. I remember when I first heard SOSP all the way through--I had the same reaction as most have had to CYDMG: this isn't how my Del Amitri are supposed to sound. But then as I got to know the songs, I realized that it really *was* Del Amitri, and that what I was reacting to was more the initial unfamiliarity with new tunes and that they hadn't, in fact, been replaced by aliens in the recording studio. It would be boring if every album was like the previous was like the next. I've recently been listening to my Queen collection and have had a reaction to them that I bet I'll have about Del Amitri in ten years. At the time when each new album came out, I thought, "Whoa! This is really different from the last one!" But today I listen to them and even albums such as "A Day at the Races" and "Jazz," which at the time I thought were very far apart, now sound more similar than I ever would have imagined that I'd think. You nay-sayers of CYDMG just wait! ;-) Kelly Minneapolis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 11:27:30 -0400 From: Michael Mitchell Subject: Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic > The muddy, muffled sound it produced is what doesn't do the album > justice. Just curious: would remixing it improve the sound substantially or was the problem in the recording? Anybody know exactly how that works? > Definitely agree that some of the b-sides from Twisted are superb! > Life by Mistake, In the Meantime - these are simply treasures. > Anybody willing to share these mp3s :-)? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:24:40 -0700 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic Remixing might help, but sometimes it's the arrangement as well. It truly does depend on how things were recorded. I don't think remixing it would be a bad thing though. But, I'd bet Justin couldn't get within 100 yards of those tapes now! The record company probably doesn't even know where those tapes are! - ---- Original Message ---- >> The muddy, muffled sound it produced is what doesn't do the album >> justice. > >Just curious: would remixing it improve the sound substantially or >was the problem in the recording? Anybody know exactly how that >works? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 16:44:03 0 (GMT) From: "Neil Matheson" Subject: Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic Didn't Justin say in an interview that he has all the Dels masters in his garage? On Fri, 27 September 2002, darren@bendcable.com wrote > > Remixing might help, but sometimes it's the arrangement as > well. It > truly does depend on how things were recorded. I don't think > remixing it would be a bad thing though. But, I'd bet Justin > couldn't get within 100 yards of those tapes now! The > record company > probably doesn't even know where those tapes are! > > ---- Original Message ---- > >> The muddy, muffled sound it produced is what doesn't do > the album > >> justice. > > > >Just curious: would remixing it improve the sound > substantially or > >was the problem in the recording? Anybody know exactly how > that > >works? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 12:47:33 EDT From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: Depression - not necessarily off-topic Well the answer is... it depends. My feeling is that the album is overly compressed (most notably on the heavier songs) and therefore has little dynamic range - it doesn't breathe at all. Also the stereo spectrum is vary narrow, with not a lot of separation or movement. If everything was compressed to tape it there's not much that could be done. If the compression came when they mixed it then they could probably do wonders. But Vivendi still owns those masters, so it's unlikely that it'll ever happen. And even if the Dels did get their catalog when they got the boot (highly unlikely), they have little motivation to go back and remix it at this point. We can only hope that Mercury tries to squeeze the last drops from the band by coming up with a box set of rarities. I for one would love to hear the rest of the "lost" version of Waking Hours (they did it once and then started over, I believe the version of Stone Cold Sober on the UK Roll To Me single is from this session). Or the Don Smith sessions which provided us with the alternate versions of Learn To Cry and When You Were Young. In a message dated 9/27/2002 10:28:25 AM Central Standard Time, mitch@cc.gatech.edu writes: > Just curious: would remixing it improve the sound substantially or was the > problem in the recording? Anybody know exactly how that works? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 14:38:32 -0700 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: OV: Need CYDMG? For anyone who's been waiting... http://www.cd-wow.net has "Can You Do Me Good?" for $9.95 with free shipping! ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #244 **********************************