From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #165 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, June 25 2002 Volume 04 : Number 165 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: dels tv ["=?iso-8859-1?q?Callum=20McFarlane,=20Esq.?=" ] OV: Re: Dels - The Future [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #161 [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #161 [NIGELBLUES@aol.com] OV: Re: Dels - The Future [Darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: dels tv [Aleksandr ] OV: Kinda off topic, but not really [Darren Holmquist ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:15:42 +0100 (BST) From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Callum=20McFarlane,=20Esq.?=" Subject: OV: dels tv > Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:31:34 +1000 > From: "Nick Short" > Subject: OV: Re: Dels Spotted - sort of > > Hey all, > > Situated in cold blustery Melbourne, all of a > sudden.. the familiar riff of > Roll To Me comes on TV, run to see what is > happening, and of all things. It > is a friggin car fucking commercial (bad grammar I > know), some car marketed > for transporting children in, by an Australian > manufacturer Holden. REALLY????? i should watch more tv! I figure > it is pretty bad, but......wait it gets so much > better!, No sign of the > fantastic voice that is Justin's, no, some dodgy > male and female session > singers. ugh.... like that chick that does the kylie song or beer? ===== 2nd, June,2002 "I don't own any casual clothes. You never know who you'll bump into" - Jarvis Cocker BRMC melbourne gig anyone? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 08:50:02 -0400 From: SCARYJOE@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Dels Spotted - sort of That's the way it work's! First, It's cheaper to re-record the song than to use the original song. Second, the band most likely did not know of the song's use, Since they sold their song to a publisher and they make the call on who uses it. They will just see the check. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 15:06:45 +0100 From: "claire barber (SRI)" Subject: RE: OV: Barra's Has a CD tree of this een set up? Claire - -----Original Message----- From: Darren Holmquist [mailto:darren@bendcable.com] Sent: 25 May 2002 18:40 To: Claire O'Rourke; opposite view Subject: Re: OV: Barra's Claire, Could we use it to set up a CD Tree???? That way even more people can hear it. Darren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:46:51 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Dels - The Future They obviously do not love it enough to tour and support the studio work. I don't see how any band can have a future if they won't tour. Sorry, but I think they're just lazy. Oh, they'd be up for noodling around in the studio endlessly, but I don't think that they've ever particularly cared for the road. For example, as far as I have been able to determine, they have always played short sets. They rarely do more than ninety minutes, if that. I know that my post seems very negative. I wish it didn't. I really love their work, but I call 'em like I see 'em. Ed "who thinks working 150 days a year doesn't look all that bad, and if you don't wanna do that, then you pretty much wanna be Elvis" Minton Couldn't agree more, it's hard to dispute that they're not lazy. I just that they're happy with their lot, as some suggest they may be, rather than frustrated. By my reckoning, Dels have averaged writing 1 song every 3 months or so in the past 5 years and that's probably on a par with how many gigs they've played in the same period. And they've only toured in one country. Can anyone think of a group who have been less prolific than that over the same timeframe? Starve their fans for that long (most groups these days don't even last 5 years) and you starve yourselves ultimately. The point about 90 minute sets is fair too. For a group who have so many great songs, as much as I loved their recent Cardiff gig I was so disappointed that they not only played the bare minium 90 minutes but came on so early that they were off stage by 10:20pm! The contrast for me is reading about Elvis Costello (several years their elder) currently touring extensively in the US playing sets of 34/35 songs lasting over 2 and a half hours with audience participation, singalongs and loving every minute of it. Dels are more than capable of matching that but have chosen not to. As regards Dels future, it's whatever they want it to be. I'm sure there's plenty of good music left in them and a willing fanbase to lap it up, I'd love to think they have the enthusiasm as I can't imagine them doing anything different. Within the business, Dels are stuck in the huge void of pop currently belonging to kids who look good, can dance and act a bit (singing talent not necessarily important). The adult pop fanbase is currently owned by the likes of Coldplay, The Haven (all newer, fresher and younger). Rock is back but mostly nu-metal thrash. It's very hard to see where that leaves the Dels as a chart act. There's plenty of groups I watch who prosper and thrive being independent. In the past few months, groups I've seen doing exactly that include The Alarm, Stiff Little Fingers, Supernaturals, Proclaimers, Gene, Wah, Spear of Destiny, Selecter, Glenn Tillbrook (ex-Squeeze frontman), Jean Jacques Burnel (ex-Stranglers) to name a few. Tonight, US punk icons The Dead Kennedys play Wales for the the 1st time ever. It's no bad thing either, I've become closer and care more about some artists I've liked than when they were at the peak of the fame. There is more output, it's more personalised and more imaginative as artist and fans work together. The range of merchandise is far improved and a greater range. I read Tony Johnson say Dels shows wouldn't be as good with smaller halls with lesser lights, I couldn't disagree more. Surely the power of Dels live is their music?? Apart from Justin's banter and animated stage performance, they hardly have the most imaginative and mesmerising live show (apart from the appeal of some group members - excuse the pun - to female admirers). As far as I'm concerned, rock music doesn't belong to stadiums, arenas and concert halls anyway. Do the charts really matter anymore (to those of us over 25)? Does anyone really bother listening to the radio for new music that much anymore? Dels in a small hall venue would be intimate and fantastic. It may be the route for Dels, I guess it all depends on how much they really do enjoy what they do and how much they want to do it becuase the past 5 years have suggested that the appetite they once had has waned. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:46:30 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #161 In a message dated 21/06/02 09:52:16 GMT Daylight Time, owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: "Leighton J. [LN]" > Subject: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > > Nigel, > > Why don't you just wait and see instead of forcing your strong opinions > onto others. > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have a > 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a bit hard > to understand really. Hi Leighton I think it's been said by others already but this is a list for news and views and, believe me, what a boring place it would be if we all agreed about everything and just indulged in mutual back slapping for each other and had non-stop praise for one of the most under-rated groups around. I've been here over 5 years. One thing has always been perfectly obvious - we have a common love of The Dels but differing musical tastes and opinions. That's very refreshing. However there's loyalty and there's blind loyalty. I'm in the former camp, I'm loyal to the Dels but that doesn't mean I have to like everything they record and do or show total understanding towards the reasons why the do some of the things they do. Nobody can ever accuse me of sitting on the fence but I never "criticise" (if that's what you choose to call it) for the sake of it and always do it with some humour (whether you like it is another thing) and with constructive reasons. With all that in mind, I suggest you read my posting again. Because I NEVER criticised Drunk In A Band as a song, it has its place. But my firmly held view is that it has no chance of ever being a chart hit single either this year or any other year. Clearly, the group, their management and their label feel the same as the clamour coming from them to release this slice of perfect pop is deafeaning, isn't it? The fact they don't want to release it when they've inflicted Cry To Be Found (an all time low singles wise) on us says a lot. Maybe others are right, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe it we'll be released and we'll find out, probably we never will though. The beauty of opinion is that nobody is wrong because that's all it is - opinion. However I declare that I'm right until you prove me wrong! :>) Hope I've cleared the air Leighton, if you haven't got used to my style of posting on here stick around and you will. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 18:46:34 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #161 In a message dated 21/06/02 09:52:16 GMT Daylight Time, owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: > From: "Joe Brady" > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > > He's a very bitter long time suffering Cardiff City Supporter. > > What else do you expect? Heya Joe This long time Bitter Bluebird will be spending the weekend in London when City play at QPR this season (Oct/Nov if I remember rightly) so if Tony (the other R's fan on the list) and yourself are up for a bevvy, we'll sort something out nearer the time. Don't forget, I'm a long time bitter Welsh supporter who was bitterly disappointed to see England slip out of the World Cup last week with barely a whimper (not) :>) There's only 1 David Seaman, Let's All Do The Seaman and It's Just Like Watching Brazil should be getting plenty of airings around the country this season! Maybe we get get Justin to release (to the tune of hokey cokey and you can picture the steps to go with it) You put your left arm up Flap your right arm out In out In out You stumble all about You do the David Seaman And you turn around That's what it's all about Ooooh-oh David Seaman Ooooh-oh David Seaman Ooooh-oh David Seaman He put the English OUT, OUT, OUT! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:05:57 -0700 From: Darren@bendcable.com Subject: OV: Re: Dels - The Future I have no idea what the future holds for these guys. But as they're all pushing 40 now, the thought of going back and doing a tour from a van probably isn't very appealing. The record company is what fronts the money for luxury coaches, air fare, and promotional posters. And THIS record company isn't doing that. They're not even willing to try and sell the record in the U.S. The short shows, I agree with. There's this myth about "leave 'em wanting more". Where the hell did THAT come from? They're not coming back for years, why leave 'em wanting more, if you're not going to GIVE them more? Not that long ago, artists were putting out an album a year. I know Justin has the songs, I'm sure the band would be willing. They have to get over this stigma of cut a record; wait; release the record; tour; go on vacation. If it's the record company that is saying don't saturate the market, then it's time to go indie. If it's the managers, then it's time for new management. If it's the artist, then we're screwed. The industry is the music industry. Not the corporate industry. Without the music, they'd be nowhere. Without the corporate, they'd be indie. I like the sound of that, personally. Then again, I could be wrong. Darren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 10:50:39 +1000 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: dels tv > ugh.... like that chick that does the kylie song or > beer? > You mean Deni Hines? SHe sings better than Kylie. AL in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:15:43 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: OV: Kinda off topic, but not really Someone else I'm a fan of, is Patty Griffin. Once a label mate to those guys we call the Dels. After A&M got bought out, she found herself on Interscope. She handed in her next album, and had it sent back to her. It sits on the shelf to this day. (although promo copies did get out for a short period) She got out of her contract and signed on with Dave Matthews' ATO records. She's very much in the same department as Del Amitri, and I thought what she had to say was quite true. Anyway. In a recent interview she had this to say: Do you have a specific career goal? Do you want the typical pop thing? I want to sing and I want to write. And I'd like to make my living at it. I guess I think it's becoming obvious to me that you don't necessarily have to be on the radio like everybody thought to make your living doing this. Because I know a lot of people who are doing just fine and nobody plays their records on the radio. I remember as a young girl listening to the radio. I was one of the kids who fell asleep listening to the radio and knew all the words to all the songs in the summer and listened to the radio all day long. You know, I could tell you where I was sitting when I heard "Midnight Train to Georgia" for the first time. There's a lot of great memories that I have on the radio. I'm sad because I think that radio has lost a lot of its soul. That's all.... Darren (((Patty Griffin - "1000 Kisses" now in stores! ))) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:27:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Re: Dels - The Future - --- NIGELBLUES@aol.com wrote: > They obviously do not love it enough to tour and > support the studio work. I > don't see how any band can have a future if they > won't tour. Oh, I totally agree with you, even if you are Welsh. (Didn't know that earlier...explains a lot :-) > > Sorry, but I think they're just lazy. Oh, they'd be > up for noodling around > in > the studio endlessly, but I don't think that they've > ever particularly cared > for the road. For example, as far as I have been > able to determine, they > have > always played short sets. They rarely do more than > ninety minutes, if that. That's been my experience. I even saw them at a show once (the last time I saw them, actually) where they only played 3 songs. But to be fair, that's all anyone played. It was one of those multi-band radio station Christmas concert thingies. > I read Tony Johnson say Dels shows wouldn't be as > good with smaller halls > with lesser lights, I couldn't disagree more. > Surely the power of Dels live > is their music?? > Apart from Justin's banter and animated stage > performance, they hardly have > the most imaginative and mesmerising live show > (apart from the appeal of some > group members - excuse the pun - to female > admirers). As far as I'm > concerned, rock music doesn't belong to stadiums, > arenas and concert halls > anyway. Amen! I've always liked the smaller intimate shows better, myself. And that's true of any act. One of my favorite Del Amitri show was actually just Justin, Iain and Andy in a small bar in Dallas. (It was really just a private show for the record label reps, but hey, I had connections back then. :-) Heck, seeing as you're Welsh, you'll appreciate this: seeing The Alarm at a small venue was practically a religious experience! There's nothing like being up close and personal for making a good show great. > > Do the charts really matter anymore (to those of us > over 25)? Does anyone > really bother listening to the radio for new music > that much anymore? Dels > in a small hall venue would be intimate and > fantastic. I really haven't listened to the radio in years, to be honest. If I do, it's only because I'm in a rental car and I haven't brought any CDs or I'm in the middle of switching CDs. Commercial radio sucks and has for quite some time. The only reason to listen to the radio is for Christmas tunes (seasonal, naturally) or to listen to the oldies station. Everything else is generally crap. I've found that the best place to find new music is on the late night talk shows (David Letterman is good and Craig Kilborn, if you get his show usually has good musical guests.) have a good day, debbie Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #165 **********************************