From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #161 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Friday, June 21 2002 Volume 04 : Number 161 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Name that boot! [Jon Hammer ] OV: Re: Name that boot! ["Lynne Templeton" ] OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band ["Leighton J. [LN]" ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [Alison Bellach ] OV: Re: Name that boot! ["Lynne Templeton" ] OV: Single Possibilities ["George Carlston" ] OV: RE: Some other suckers parade ["Whittingham, Karen" ] RE: OV: Some other suckers parade [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [LRush23204@aol.com] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band ["Joe Brady" ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band ["jennifer zucconi" ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: Single Possibilities [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band ["jennifer zucconi" ] Re: OV: Re: Name that boot! [Aleksandr ] OV: Name that boot! [Darren Holmquist ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [Leah D Schenkenberg ] OV: delamitri.co.uk [Darren Holmquist ] Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: Re: Name that boot! ["Lynne Templeton" Subject: OV: Name that boot! As an American, I'm really looking forward to hearing the Glastonbury Festival CD. However, one thing I don't like is labeling it with just the date and the city. I like boots that have been given names like "Swimming With Your Boots On". With that thought in mind, I suggest that we OV'ers give the Glastonbury Festival CD a name. Let me put forth some suggestions: Buttons On Our Clothes Glastonbury Saves Roll to Glastonbury Drunk in Glastonbury (maybe a little too close to home for some) Baby its the Dels Kiss Glastonbury Goodbye So what do you think? Any other suggestions? Ready to tell the yank to shut up? Jon Hammer Powell, Ohio mailto:TheHammers@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:16:15 +0100 From: "Lynne Templeton" Subject: OV: Re: Name that boot! I think its a good idea! My suggestions: Last cheap shot at hearing the festival lol When they were young Always the last to hear it It might as well be Glastonbury Some other sucker's CD Lol looks like my suggestions were as good as yours!! ;) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon Hammer" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:00 PM Subject: OV: Name that boot! > As an American, I'm really looking forward to hearing the Glastonbury > Festival CD. However, one thing I don't like is labeling it with just the > date and the city. I like boots that have been given names like "Swimming > With Your Boots On". With that thought in mind, I suggest that we OV'ers > give the Glastonbury Festival CD a name. Let me put forth some > suggestions: > > Buttons On Our Clothes > Glastonbury Saves > Roll to Glastonbury > Drunk in Glastonbury (maybe a little too close to home for some) > Baby its the Dels > Kiss Glastonbury Goodbye > > So what do you think? Any other suggestions? Ready to tell the yank to > shut up? > > Jon Hammer > Powell, Ohio > mailto:TheHammers@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:36:35 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Re: Drunk in a Band In a message dated 20/06/02 09:57:37 GMT Daylight Time, owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: > And you think there's anything on the music chart > that's NOT mediocre at best?!? Drunk in a Band's got > the best chance of anything on the album at appealing > to the mass market. It's very much a college song hit > in the making if I've ever seen one. I know I'd have > certainly loved it when I was at school...as would > anyone else I knew at the time. I'm not THAT out of > touch am I? I think it will still appeal to the > college age crowd. I hope they do release it as a > single. It would bring the Dels some "fresh meat" new > fans. > > I guess it just depends on which market they want to > appeal to. > > debbie Hi Debbie The only market it could appeal to are early morning workers at Billingsgate fish market. There's no market whatsoever that song will appeal to sufficiently to make it a chart hit. It's the listeners, not the band, who must be drunk to think any different. I know what you mean about throwaway pop songs doing unexpectedly well occasionally (Roll To Me being the obvious one in this forum) but Drunk In A Band is one of those songs that will be a live favourite but nothing more - and, in my opinion, that's all it should ever be. It shouldn't have surfaced on the album in my opinion, it's a B side candidate. As for college hit, students have never gone and purchased pop songs by 40 year olds 9other than the classic artists like Bowie etc) and they wouldn't be starting now. I'm not saying I dislike the song but it would never get airplay and it would never catch on. It's more pap than pop. The point is, and I posted it weeks ago, I'm afraid there are just no songs good enough on the album to be a hit. Thinking Drunk In A Band would be one is simply a sign of how desparate we all are to see them get one more big hit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:36:35 +0200 From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de Subject: OV: Name that boot! what about a title not out of a songs name, but out of a songs lyrics? - - restless and blue - - the whole world is qiet - - let the whole world wait - - another lie to run from how about those? or we could make up a "real" name. A name that would suite a Dels album: "Between different skies" ... or somewhat... :-) Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:58:09 +0100 From: "Leighton J. [LN]" Subject: OV: RE: Name that boot! Guys and Girls, I haven't been reading for a while - busy boy. Which Boot CD are we trying to name please? Jimmy - -----Original Message----- From: Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de [mailto:Dirk.Wonhoefer@eberle-augsburg.de] Sent: 20 June 2002 14:37 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Name that boot! what about a title not out of a songs name, but out of a songs lyrics? - - restless and blue - - the whole world is qiet - - let the whole world wait - - another lie to run from how about those? or we could make up a "real" name. A name that would suite a Dels album: "Between different skies" ... or somewhat... :-) Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:01:09 +0100 From: "Leighton J. [LN]" Subject: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band Nigel, Why don't you just wait and see instead of forcing your strong opinions onto others. This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a bit hard to understand really. - -----Original Message----- From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com [mailto:NIGELBLUES@aol.com] Sent: 20 June 2002 14:37 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Re: Drunk in a Band In a message dated 20/06/02 09:57:37 GMT Daylight Time, owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: > And you think there's anything on the music chart > that's NOT mediocre at best?!? Drunk in a Band's got > the best chance of anything on the album at appealing > to the mass market. It's very much a college song hit > in the making if I've ever seen one. I know I'd have > certainly loved it when I was at school...as would > anyone else I knew at the time. I'm not THAT out of > touch am I? I think it will still appeal to the > college age crowd. I hope they do release it as a > single. It would bring the Dels some "fresh meat" new > fans. > > I guess it just depends on which market they want to > appeal to. > > debbie Hi Debbie The only market it could appeal to are early morning workers at Billingsgate fish market. There's no market whatsoever that song will appeal to sufficiently to make it a chart hit. It's the listeners, not the band, who must be drunk to think any different. I know what you mean about throwaway pop songs doing unexpectedly well occasionally (Roll To Me being the obvious one in this forum) but Drunk In A Band is one of those songs that will be a live favourite but nothing more - and, in my opinion, that's all it should ever be. It shouldn't have surfaced on the album in my opinion, it's a B side candidate. As for college hit, students have never gone and purchased pop songs by 40 year olds 9other than the classic artists like Bowie etc) and they wouldn't be starting now. I'm not saying I dislike the song but it would never get airplay and it would never catch on. It's more pap than pop. The point is, and I posted it weeks ago, I'm afraid there are just no songs good enough on the album to be a hit. Thinking Drunk In A Band would be one is simply a sign of how desparate we all are to see them get one more big hit. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 07:06:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison Bellach Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have > a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a > bit hard to understand really. Actually, I think it's refreshing to hear a critical opinion; this may be a fan site, but we should be open to all ideas. Besides, Justin likes us to be more critical than we tend to be. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:13:19 +0100 From: "Lynne Templeton" Subject: OV: Re: Name that boot! > what about a title not out of a songs name, but out of a songs lyrics? In which case (always up for having a go!) I suggest - - the shakers and the groovers - - desire beyond control - - creation's gone crazy - - a replica of what it used to be ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:17:32 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: Re: OV: Re: Name that boot! Great idea! I've got 100's of bootlegs so love it when good names come up. Let's see...I can't remember the setlist so can't remember what tour it would be. If it's the CE tour then I would go for: Change Glastonbury Spitting in Glastonbury The First Rule of Glastonbury If it's Twisted tour then I'm not sure right now! Does Justin make any statements to the crowd? It's always good to take a comment of the night for a boot. Cheers Chris - --- Lynne Templeton wrote: > > what about a title not out of a songs name, but > out of a songs lyrics? > > In which case (always up for having a go!) I suggest > > - the shakers and the groovers > - desire beyond control > - creation's gone crazy > - a replica of what it used to be Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:13:56 -0400 From: "PATRICIA L. STEWART" Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I completely agree with you, Alison. This is called opposite view, right?? I also agree with Nigel's take on the tastes of the college-age crowd. trish in Michigan >>> Alison Bellach 06/20/02 10:06AM >>> > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have > a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a > bit hard to understand really. Actually, I think it's refreshing to hear a critical opinion; this may be a fan site, but we should be open to all ideas. Besides, Justin likes us to be more critical than we tend to be. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:34:01 +0100 From: "Rich, Rach, Jake & Jodie" Subject: OV: name that bootleg greetings people, seeing it was Glastonbury infamous for tree huggin, hippies pagan rituals etc, etc what about; 1) HIGH TIMES 2) STONED IN A BAND 3) MOTHER NATURES 4) SOME OTHER SMOKERS PARADE.... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:46:35 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: OV: Re: Re: Name that boot! How about.........Stop pissing about and do some work for once? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynne Templeton" To: Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 3:13 PM Subject: OV: Re: Name that boot! > > what about a title not out of a songs name, but out of a songs lyrics? > > In which case (always up for having a go!) I suggest > > - the shakers and the groovers > - desire beyond control > - creation's gone crazy > - a replica of what it used to be ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:02:33 -0400 From: "George Carlston" Subject: OV: Single Possibilities Hi All, Delurking long enough to add my 2 pence on the single debate... All this talk about Drunk in a Band sadly misses the point yet again, and for the life of me I don't understand why. Why is it that anyone connected to the band seems to think their only hope is light, disposable songs? Yeah they have their place, but I thought "Roll to Me" was kind of a thorn in their side for that very reason. The songs that always made the most impact on me were the ones that had some substance and beauty. Screw what's going on in the charts! They'll come to you if the right song can be heard. I think if Mercury gave a rats behind, they could've seen to it that this album was heard. Buttons alone was worth the price of admission. That song should've been the first single. Seeing as it wasn't, it should be the next. As finely crafted a pop song as was ever written, that one... George ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:09:59 +0100 From: "Whittingham, Karen" Subject: OV: RE: Some other suckers parade I know I'm a bit behind the times (and I've only joined this list recently), but I also don't understand why the SOSP album didn't do very well. I think there are quite a few songs on there that could have been big hits and don't understand why that didn't happen. - -----Original Message----- From: George Carlston [mailto:gcarlston@earthlink.net] Sent: 20 June 2002 16:03 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Single Possibilities Hi All, Delurking long enough to add my 2 pence on the single debate... All this talk about Drunk in a Band sadly misses the point yet again, and for the life of me I don't understand why. Why is it that anyone connected to the band seems to think their only hope is light, disposable songs? Yeah they have their place, but I thought "Roll to Me" was kind of a thorn in their side for that very reason. The songs that always made the most impact on me were the ones that had some substance and beauty. Screw what's going on in the charts! They'll come to you if the right song can be heard. I think if Mercury gave a rats behind, they could've seen to it that this album was heard. Buttons alone was worth the price of admission. That song should've been the first single. Seeing as it wasn't, it should be the next. As finely crafted a pop song as was ever written, that one... George The contents of this email are confidential to the intended recipient at the email address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. If received in error, please contact DLA, a UK law firm, (http://www.dla.com/) on +44 (0) 8700 111111 quoting the name of the sender and the addressee and then delete it from your system. Please note that neither DLA nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan the email and attachments (if any). No contracts may be concluded on behalf of DLA by means of email communications. 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All this talk about Drunk in a Band sadly misses the point yet again, and for the life of me I don't understand why. Why is it that anyone connected to the band seems to think their only hope is light, disposable songs? Yeah they have their place, but I thought "Roll to Me" was kind of a thorn in their side for that very reason. The songs that always made the most impact on me were the ones that had some substance and beauty. Screw what's going on in the charts! They'll come to you if the right song can be heard. I think if Mercury gave a rats behind, they could've seen to it that this album was heard. Buttons alone was worth the price of admission. That song should've been the first single. Seeing as it wasn't, it should be the next. As finely crafted a pop song as was ever written, that one... George ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 08:56:19 -0700 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: RE: OV: Some other suckers parade - ---- Original Message ---- >I also don't understand why the SOSP album didn't do very well. Personally, I'm not wild about the mix job done on the album. There's not enough depth to the mix. Compare the sound between Twisted and SOSP and you'll see what I mean. There's a clarity to Twisted, that's not there for SOSP. Bob Clearmountain (who mixed Twisted) is one of the all time greats. It's a shame A&M wouldn't pony up the money to get him to mix again. I also think that A&M didn't do much in the way of promotion. They did try more than Mercury has, which is scary. The choice of Some Other Suckers Parade as the second single was a mistake, when you've got others like High Times that *sound* more like what was going on at the time on radio. A one month tour of the U.S. doesn't get much promotional bang. They toured Twisted endlessly for the better part of two years. 3 times across the U.S. I've never really understood the concept behind "Radio Only Singles". They released What I Think She Sees to radio only. So the DJ's are saying (if they ever played it!) "Here's the new single from Del Amitri." Then the listener who loves that song (and who wouldn't?) goes into Tower Records to buy the single... and it ain't there! Sad to say, I'm old school now... just don't understand the kids these days with their disposable music... Can you imagine 20 years in the future, when people are on a holographic mailing list, talking about finding the Ratman Remix of Oops, I Did It Again????? "Just my opinion, I could be wrong............" Darren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:32:08 EDT From: LRush23204@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I agree with Alison, besides, Nigel has been a LONG time devotee of Del Amitri, and has been posting here since the beginning of time. His opinions have always been well defined and pronounced, but, always welcome. (even if I have always disagreed with his opinion of Cry To Be Found) But, you have turned me on to music that I maybe would never have heard, and have always been impressed, so, you have some degree of usefulness. You Welsh SOB!! : ) ( We love you, Nigel! ) Laura > Nigel, > > Why don't you just wait and see instead of forcing your strong opinions > onto others. > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have a > 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a bit hard > to understand really. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:36:09 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band He's a very bitter long time suffering Cardiff City Supporter. What else do you expect? >From: LRush23204@aol.com >To: oppositeview@smoe.org >Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band >Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:32:08 EDT > >I agree with Alison, besides, Nigel has been a LONG time devotee of Del >Amitri, and has been posting here since the beginning of time. His opinions >have always been well defined and pronounced, but, always welcome. (even >if I have always disagreed with his opinion of Cry To Be Found) But, you >have turned me on to music that I maybe would never have heard, and have >always been impressed, so, you have some degree of usefulness. You >Welsh SOB!! : ) >( We love you, Nigel! ) > >Laura > > > Nigel, > > > > Why don't you just wait and see instead of forcing your strong opinions > > onto others. > > > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have a > > 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a bit hard > > to understand really. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:51:30 -0600 From: "jennifer zucconi" Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I think that Last Cheap Shot should be the second one. After listening to it quite a bit, I've realized that it didn't mean at ALL what I thought it did in the beginning. It's a gorgeous song about something Not gorgeous at all. Drunk is a fun little song, IMHO, but not single material. At least not yet. I say hook 'em with the good stuff, then give them the fun little songs. :) Anybody else skip over Cash & Prizes and Hurrah? Jennifer (saying Please don't flay me!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Bellach Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:09 AM To: Leighton J. [LN] Cc: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to our guns, to have > a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that we all love is a > bit hard to understand really. Actually, I think it's refreshing to hear a critical opinion; this may be a fan site, but we should be open to all ideas. Besides, Justin likes us to be more critical than we tend to be. - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:20:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band Thanks! I agree. Although Nigel is certainly entitled to his opinion, it's just that...an opinion. I still stick by mine that this would be a hit with the college/drinking crowd. We can all speculate 'til we're blue in the face, but we really won't know for sure how it will go over with the general public until or if it's released as a single. Also, speaking for myself, I never was bothered by the age of the band members...in any band! If I liked the music I bought it. Whether they're 12 or 42 didn't matter to me. Sometimes I didn't even know the names of the individual musicians (still don't sometimes), much less anything as personal as their age, where they were from or anything else. I think you're selling college kids short to think that they're only interested in Britney Spears or the numerous "boy bands" out there. I don't know about kids where you come from, but trust me, there is always a market for a good drinking song in America. Of course, they'd actually have to PLAY here in America, but still... Only time will tell. debbie - --- "Leighton J. [LN]" wrote: > Nigel, > > Why don't you just wait and see instead of forcing > your strong opinions onto others. > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick to > our guns, to have a 'fan' such as yourself slating > the one band that we all love is a bit hard to > understand really. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com [mailto:NIGELBLUES@aol.com] > Sent: 20 June 2002 14:37 > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Re: Drunk in a Band > > > In a message dated 20/06/02 09:57:37 GMT Daylight > Time, > owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org writes: > > > > And you think there's anything on the music chart > > that's NOT mediocre at best?!? Drunk in a Band's > got > > the best chance of anything on the album at > appealing > > to the mass market. It's very much a college song > hit > > in the making if I've ever seen one. I know I'd > have > > certainly loved it when I was at school...as would > > anyone else I knew at the time. I'm not THAT out > of > > touch am I? I think it will still appeal to the > > college age crowd. I hope they do release it as a > > single. It would bring the Dels some "fresh meat" > new > > fans. > > > > I guess it just depends on which market they want > to > > appeal to. > > > > debbie > > > Hi Debbie > > The only market it could appeal to are early morning > workers at Billingsgate > fish market. There's no market whatsoever that song > will appeal to > sufficiently to make it a chart hit. It's the > listeners, not the band, who > must be drunk to think any different. > > I know what you mean about throwaway pop songs doing > unexpectedly well > occasionally (Roll To Me being the obvious one in > this forum) but Drunk In A > Band is one of those songs that will be a live > favourite but nothing more - > and, in my opinion, that's all it should ever be. > It shouldn't have surfaced > on the album in my opinion, it's a B side candidate. > > As for college hit, students have never gone and > purchased pop songs by 40 > year olds 9other than the classic artists like Bowie > etc) and they wouldn't > be starting now. > > I'm not saying I dislike the song but it would never > get airplay and it would > never catch on. It's more pap than pop. > > The point is, and I posted it weeks ago, I'm afraid > there are just no songs > good enough on the album to be a hit. Thinking > Drunk In A Band would be one > is simply a sign of how desparate we all are to see > them get one more big > hit. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 14:30:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Single Possibilities Oh, don't get me wrong, George, I don't give a rat's ass if they get a chart hit or not. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it doesn't change my opinion of them one bit whether they're in the charts or not. In my opinion, for ANY band, the best songs are never the singles. As it's been explained before, they have to appeal to the lowest common denominator, so the weakest songs are usually the singles. I was just pointing out that if they want to appeal to a younger crowd, a crowd of kids who like to get drunk and such, this would be a hit song. If they want to appeal to a more mature audience, "Buttons" would be perfect, I agree. It's really out of our hands, though. debbie - --- George Carlston wrote: > Hi All, > > Delurking long enough to add my 2 pence on the > single debate... > > All this talk about Drunk in a Band sadly misses the > point yet again, and for > the life of me I don't understand why. Why is it > that anyone connected to the > band seems to think their only hope is light, > disposable songs? Yeah they have > their place, but I thought "Roll to Me" was kind of > a thorn in their side for > that very reason. The songs that always made the > most impact on me were the > ones that had some substance and beauty. Screw > what's going on in the charts! > They'll come to you if the right song can be heard. > > I think if Mercury gave a rats behind, they could've > seen to it that this > album was heard. Buttons alone was worth the price > of admission. That song > should've been the first single. Seeing as it > wasn't, it should be the next. > As finely crafted a pop song as was ever written, > that one... > > George Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I HATE the drum beat over Cash & Prizes, so yes, more often than not, I do skip over it. One More Last Hurrah, though, is so hauntingly beautiful that I never skip over it...ever. - --- jennifer zucconi wrote: > I think that Last Cheap Shot should be the second > one. After listening to it > quite a bit, I've realized that it didn't mean at > ALL what I thought it did in > the beginning. It's a gorgeous song about something > Not gorgeous at all. > > Drunk is a fun little song, IMHO, but not single > material. At least not yet. > I say hook 'em with the good stuff, then give them > the fun little songs. :) > > Anybody else skip over Cash & Prizes and Hurrah? > > Jennifer (saying Please don't flay me!) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alison Bellach > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:09 AM > To: Leighton J. [LN] > Cc: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick > to our guns, to have > > a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that > we all love is a > > bit hard to understand really. > > Actually, I think it's refreshing to hear a critical > opinion; this may be > a fan site, but we should be open to all ideas. > Besides, Justin likes us > to be more critical than we tend to be. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com > http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com > "If you want peace, work for justice." Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:02:07 -0600 From: "jennifer zucconi" Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I've heard that Hurrah is absolutely gorgeous live. If I had the opportunity to hear it that way, I bet I'd be more enthused about it. I remember that Somebody Else totally blew me away live, and was my favorite after that. I hadn't thought anything could be as good as Here and Now. As with this album, I don't think anything could be better than LCS. ( I'm still evolving, thank god) Jennifer - ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Cushing Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 4:46 PM To: jennifer zucconi; Alison Bellach; Leighton J. [LN] Cc: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I HATE the drum beat over Cash & Prizes, so yes, more often than not, I do skip over it. One More Last Hurrah, though, is so hauntingly beautiful that I never skip over it...ever. - --- jennifer zucconi wrote: > I think that Last Cheap Shot should be the second > one. After listening to it > quite a bit, I've realized that it didn't mean at > ALL what I thought it did in > the beginning. It's a gorgeous song about something > Not gorgeous at all. > > Drunk is a fun little song, IMHO, but not single > material. At least not yet. > I say hook 'em with the good stuff, then give them > the fun little songs. :) > > Anybody else skip over Cash & Prizes and Hurrah? > > Jennifer (saying Please don't flay me!) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Alison Bellach > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:09 AM > To: Leighton J. [LN] > Cc: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band > > > This is a friendly Fan site and we tend to stick > to our guns, to have > > a 'fan' such as yourself slating the one band that > we all love is a > > bit hard to understand really. > > Actually, I think it's refreshing to hear a critical > opinion; this may be > a fan site, but we should be open to all ideas. > Besides, Justin likes us > to be more critical than we tend to be. > > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com > http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com > "If you want peace, work for justice." Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:33:45 +1000 (EST) From: Aleksandr Subject: Re: OV: Re: Name that boot! > Some other sucker's CD > > Lol looks like my suggestions were as good as yours!! ;) > Lynne - that one's a blinder! AL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 17:45:14 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: OV: Name that boot! Well, if we're gonna name it something, then we should. The show is from June 1990. I've always called the shows by their city and date (makes it easy for filing, and remembering purposes). And would come up with actual names for compilations. But, this is as much your show as it is mine... so.... what's it going to be?? Darren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:34:02 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band I love cash and prizes. The drum beat can be annoying, but it's better than the little trumpet thing on out falls the past. Last hurrah? Boring, drawn out, warbling falsetto... Typically, I skip hurrah, baby it's me, and last cheap shot...but I'm a young punk with bad taste in music, so my preferences typically mean nothing. Leah On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Debbie Cushing writes: > I HATE the drum beat over Cash & Prizes, so yes, more > often than not, I do skip over it. One More Last > Hurrah, though, is so hauntingly beautiful that I > never skip over it...ever. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:49:55 -0500 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: Re: Drunk in a Band College kids don't purchase music for the most part. All the ones I know (myself included) are too poor with 16% increases in tuition two years running. Instead, they a) listen to radio all the time, b) never listen to radio and listen to the same cds 5 and 6 years in a row (that's me), c) go out and watch mediocre friends try to be dark and artful with their stylishly cuffed pants and their guitars in coffee houses around the university (at least, in minneapolis, that's what they do), or d) drink. Most everyone my age has never heard of del amitri, and the only way they have any frame of reference is to hum roll to me. They don't know that Del Amitri is aging, and a song like drunk in a band doesn't that let on, in my opinion. I don't think it could necessarily produce sales, because all the college students I know who would absolutely love the song are too broke being drunk and/or in a band. But it would get downloaded, it would get requested and turned up on the radio, and it would be covered... Leah On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:36:35 EDT NIGELBLUES@aol.com writes: > > As for college hit, students have never gone and purchased pop songs > by 40 > year olds 9other than the classic artists like Bowie etc) and they > wouldn't > be starting now. > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 22:33:37 -0500 From: "Ed Minton" Subject: Re: OV: Re: Drunk in a Band Leah wrote: >College kids don't purchase music for the most part. All the ones I know >(myself included) are too poor with 16% increases in tuition two years >running. Instead, they >a) listen to radio all the time, >b) never listen to radio and listen to the same cds 5 and 6 years in a >row (that's me), >c) go out and watch mediocre friends try to be dark and artful with their >stylishly cuffed pants and their guitars in coffee houses around the >university (at least, in minneapolis, that's what they do), or >d) drink. Just an observation, but it seems to me that d) would most certainly be precipitated by a) and b). Also, then c) won't seem nearly as hard to take. Support live music! Even a bad band can be fun if you've got a sense of humour. Cheers, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:11:18 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: OV: delamitri.co.uk Seems the mailboxes for anyone who has a @delamitri.co.uk email address are down. In case anyone is trying to get ahold of anyone there... Darren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 23:41:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: RE: Re: Drunk in a Band LOL Leah. I guess since you're a college kid, you're supposed to be listening to that top 40 crap aren't ya? :-) I would like Cash & Prizes just fine were it not for that crappy beat. Last Hurrah has a bit of it, too, but somehow it doesn't bug me as much. Beautiful and slow does not mean boring to me, but we're each entitled to our opinions. Now go off and listen to your N'synch. j/k :-) debbie - --- Leah D Schenkenberg wrote: > I love cash and prizes. The drum beat can be > annoying, but it's better > than the little trumpet thing on out falls the past. > > > Last hurrah? Boring, drawn out, warbling > falsetto... > > Typically, I skip hurrah, baby it's me, and last > cheap shot...but I'm a > young punk with bad taste in music, so my > preferences typically mean > nothing. > > Leah > > On Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Debbie > Cushing > writes: > > I HATE the drum beat over Cash & Prizes, so yes, > more > > often than not, I do skip over it. One More Last > > Hurrah, though, is so hauntingly beautiful that I > > never skip over it...ever. > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:40:03 +0100 From: "Lynne Templeton" Subject: Re: OV: Re: Name that boot! > > Some other sucker's CD > > > > > Lynne - that one's a blinder! > > AL *blushes* aw thanks! Thought it was quite apt since we're all copying it off Darren! (Although no offense taken at being called a sucker Darren lol!) ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #161 **********************************