From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #153 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Wednesday, June 12 2002 Volume 04 : Number 153 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 ["Johnson, Tony D" ] Re: OV: What's next? ["Ed Minton" ] RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 [Jim Hopping ] RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 ["Leighton J. [LN]" Subject: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > From: "Lynne Templeton" > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really their > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get the > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that means > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > fans > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > to > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > so > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and there. > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will be > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country (compared > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > as > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > In > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > Glasgow. > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > for example. > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells his > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > pretty > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > so > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means he's > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > are > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > they > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > difficult > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > What does everyone else think? > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally and maybe couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's an idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal as such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a reasonably large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course he is already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as well (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be frank, and is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they could play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the shows would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop down to that level. Cheers, Tony - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, officers or employees make no representation or accept any liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:23:43 +0100 From: "Lynne Templeton" Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 I can't remember who it was (although I think it sounded like the amerillos or something) but in America a band decided to go one step further and became funded by their fans - they asked for donations and everyone sort of gave $10 or so and before they knew it they had enough money to tour all over America. Not sure that would work for the Dels but there are so many methods and ideas they could put into practice. I'm sure there are enough enthusiastic fans to help promote their stuff by distributing flyers and so on. One thing's for sure, Del Amitri certainly won't be allowed to slip away quietly!! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Johnson, Tony D" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 11:15 AM Subject: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really their > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get the > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that means > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > fans > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > to > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > so > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and there. > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will be > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country (compared > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > as > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > In > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > Glasgow. > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > for example. > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells his > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > pretty > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > so > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means he's > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > are > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > they > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > difficult > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > and maybe > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > an > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > as > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > reasonably > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > he is > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > well > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > frank, and > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > could > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > shows > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > down > to that level. > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information contained in or attached to this email is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > outside England and Wales). > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:16:05 -0400 From: "B M" Subject: OV: DA has been Cloned!!!! Has anyone heard of Rubyhorse? The new song Sparkle is a dead ringer for DA. I love the new song but it sounds EXACTLY like DA, down to the lead singer sounding like Justin, freaks me out every time I hear it on the radio. That's the other problem, if they can play a band that sounds EXACTLY like DA why can't they play "the real thing"? Geeesh! I guess they were from Ireland but call Boston their home now. My brother says we have seen them a bunch of times, they play at the pub I hang at, but I can't say I remember seeing them live. If anyone is interested in hearing them I can post the MP3 on my site. Let me know. Bill in Boston _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:28:00 -0500 From: "Ed Minton" Subject: Re: OV: What's next? >As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be frank, and >is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they could >play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the shows >would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop >down to that level. I believe that this is a common misconception. Now, I will not pretend to know definitively what I'm talking about here, as I suspect that only a band's accountant will know for sure, but, I can tell you that I recently read comments about this subject that I found to be extraordinary. Again, I will refer to Wilco, whose label troubles have been widely noted in the trade publications over the past few months. Jeff Tweedy, the singer/songwriter of the group has stated in a recent interview that while he has been under major label contract for nearly ten years, he has never been paid a penny by their label. However, he went on to say that despite that fact, the band has done well for themselves by what he called "direct marketing," i.e., performing the aforementioned 125 or so shows per year. I would also note that Wilco routinely plays many of the same venues that the Dels have previously performed in. Primarily these are small theatres and showcase clubs. It is true that different clubs certainly have their own individual reputations for the quality of sounds and lights that they provide for their performers, but generally they are satisfactory. And by the way, I want to say again that I realize that my posts sound like I'm just slagging the band for no good reason. That is not the case. I enjoy the Dels as much as most anyone on OV, I'm sure. I simply have never been so impressed by a band that does not routinely perform, so I find it rather odd. I want to say that I do not presume to know why the Dels chose to handle their affairs in the way that they do. As far as I know, they are perfectly content with the level of success that they have acheived, and simply do not feel the need to pursue their careers "to another level." However, when the number of performances over the course of three years is less than one hundred, I don't think its unfair to say that they at least appear to a be a bit on the lazy side. Being a professional musician means spending your life living out of a suitcase more times than not. It is not an easy thing to accomodate a "normal" lifestyle with a family while being a musician, but it can be done. Still digging he Dels, Ed ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:08:58 +0000 (GMT+00:00) From: Jim Hopping Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 Lets face it. Wouldn't we all like to do something we love which affords us a comfortable living, without ever having to try to hard? Jim > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really their > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get the > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that means > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > fans > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > to > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > so > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and there. > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will be > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country (compared > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > as > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > In > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > Glasgow. > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > for example. > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells his > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > pretty > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > so > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means he's > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > are > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > they > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > difficult > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > and maybe > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > an > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > as > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > reasonably > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > he is > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > well > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > frank, and > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > could > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > shows > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > down > to that level. > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information contained in or attached to this email is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > outside England and Wales). > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:23:47 +0100 From: "Leighton J. [LN]" Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 Here Here Jimbo! Stop slating the Dels and let them get on with their comfortable lives - I love that fact that they haven't Sold Out and are content to go about things their own way - keep it going. Jimmy Blue - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hopping [mailto:jhopping@iobox.com] Sent: 12 June 2002 15:09 To: Johnson, Tony D; 'oppositeview@smoe.org' Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 Lets face it. Wouldn't we all like to do something we love which affords us a comfortable living, without ever having to try to hard? Jim > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really their > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get the > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that means > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > fans > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > to > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > so > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and there. > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will be > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country (compared > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > as > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > In > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > Glasgow. > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > for example. > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells his > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > pretty > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > so > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means he's > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > are > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > they > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > difficult > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > and maybe > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > an > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > as > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > reasonably > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > he is > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > well > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > frank, and > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > could > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > shows > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > down > to that level. > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information contained in or attached to this email is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > outside England and Wales). > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:42:31 -0400 From: "Rachel Wifall" Subject: Re: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 I agree. Labelling the guys "lazy" isn't really fair; it is projecting one's own standards onto people we don't even know intimately. I, for one, would not want the lifestyle of many celebrity performers--there is just too much bullshit to sort through. Being able to make a living producing great music, touring enough to enjoy it and connect with fans without getting totally burned out, and then having a quasi-normal life on the side sounds like a great balance. What should their goal be--to play at the Superbowl?! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Leighton J. [LN] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:27 AM To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 Here Here Jimbo! Stop slating the Dels and let them get on with their comfortable lives - I love that fact that they haven't Sold Out and are content to go about things their own way - keep it going. Jimmy Blue - -----Original Message----- From: Jim Hopping [mailto:jhopping@iobox.com] Sent: 12 June 2002 15:09 To: Johnson, Tony D; 'oppositeview@smoe.org' Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 Lets face it. Wouldn't we all like to do something we love which affords us a comfortable living, without ever having to try to hard? Jim > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really their > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get the > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that means > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > fans > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > to > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > so > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and there. > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will be > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country (compared > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > as > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > In > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > Glasgow. > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > for example. > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells his > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > pretty > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > so > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means he's > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > are > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > they > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > difficult > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > and maybe > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > an > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > as > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > reasonably > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > he is > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > well > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > frank, and > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > could > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > shows > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > down > to that level. > > Cheers, > > Tony > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > The information contained in or attached to this email is > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > outside England and Wales). > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:55:44 +0100 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 The Truth is they would love to Play the Super Bowl. Justin's is very Ambitious in he's own right and I'm sure would love the Recognition of bands like U2. Why would you not? Joe. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Wifall" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > I agree. Labelling the guys "lazy" isn't really fair; it is projecting one's > own standards onto people we don't even know intimately. I, for one, would > not want the lifestyle of many celebrity performers--there is just too much > bullshit to sort through. Being able to make a living producing great music, > touring enough to enjoy it and connect with fans without getting totally > burned out, and then having a quasi-normal life on the side sounds like a > great balance. What should their goal be--to play at the Superbowl?! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leighton J. [LN] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:27 AM > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > > Here Here Jimbo! > > Stop slating the Dels and let them get on with their comfortable lives - I > love that fact that they haven't Sold Out and are content to go about things > their own way - keep it going. > > Jimmy Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Hopping [mailto:jhopping@iobox.com] > Sent: 12 June 2002 15:09 > To: Johnson, Tony D; 'oppositeview@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > > > Lets face it. Wouldn't we all like to do something we love which affords us a > comfortable living, without ever having to try to hard? > > Jim > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really > their > > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get > the > > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that > means > > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > > fans > > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > > to > > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > > so > > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and > there. > > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will > be > > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country > (compared > > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > > as > > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > > In > > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > > Glasgow. > > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > > for example. > > > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells > his > > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > > pretty > > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > > so > > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means > he's > > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > > are > > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > > they > > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > > difficult > > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > > and maybe > > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > > an > > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > > as > > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > > reasonably > > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > > he is > > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > > well > > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > > frank, and > > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > > could > > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > > shows > > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > > down > > to that level. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tony > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information contained in or attached to this email is > > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > > outside England and Wales). > > > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:57:03 +0100 From: "Leighton J. [LN]" Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 I am sure he is more than happy as he is - Content. A happy, stress free life, doing what he loves, sharing it with people he cares about and who care about him. Is there anything else worth pursuing in life? JB - -----Original Message----- From: Joe Brady [mailto:topdogbrady@hotmail.com] Sent: 12 June 2002 16:56 To: Rachel Wifall; oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: Re: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 The Truth is they would love to Play the Super Bowl. Justin's is very Ambitious in he's own right and I'm sure would love the Recognition of bands like U2. Why would you not? Joe. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rachel Wifall" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:42 PM Subject: Re: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > I agree. Labelling the guys "lazy" isn't really fair; it is projecting one's > own standards onto people we don't even know intimately. I, for one, would > not want the lifestyle of many celebrity performers--there is just too much > bullshit to sort through. Being able to make a living producing great music, > touring enough to enjoy it and connect with fans without getting totally > burned out, and then having a quasi-normal life on the side sounds like a > great balance. What should their goal be--to play at the Superbowl?! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Leighton J. [LN] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:27 AM > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > > Here Here Jimbo! > > Stop slating the Dels and let them get on with their comfortable lives - I > love that fact that they haven't Sold Out and are content to go about things > their own way - keep it going. > > Jimmy Blue > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Hopping [mailto:jhopping@iobox.com] > Sent: 12 June 2002 15:09 > To: Johnson, Tony D; 'oppositeview@smoe.org' > Subject: RE: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #152 > > > Lets face it. Wouldn't we all like to do something we love which affords us a > comfortable living, without ever having to try to hard? > > Jim > > > > > Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:01:40 +0100 > > > From: "Lynne Templeton" > > > Subject: OV: Re: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #151 > > > > > > Yeah this is what I think as well - that being "famous" isn't really > their > > > goal but just to live the life that being in a band gives them. I get > the > > > impression they love what they do and they love their music and that > means > > > that they'll do it for as long as they can get away with. Trouble is, > > > because they aren't easily going to be at the top of the UK market (don't > > > know enough about the US to be honest) their record company don't really > > > make enough effort. The Dels aren't breaking out of their set group of > > > fans > > > and the record company knows that we're all going to buy the album and go > > > to > > > the tours anyway however much promotion they do. However, there are only > > > so > > > many fans, so they don't push it and so only do a few sets here and > there. > > > The US requires a lot of commitment that their fan base in America will > be > > > as committed because already you're talking about a huge country > (compared > > > to the UK) that forces massive travel bills. The UK is almost guarenteed > > > as > > > they're already better known over here and the travel expenses are a lot > > > less as it doesn't involve flying their whole team anywhere for a start. > > > In > > > the UK, people are happy to travel from Devon to go to a concert in > > > Glasgow. > > > Not many Americans would travel from Texas to go to a concert in Chicago, > > > for example. > > > > > > Glenn Tilbrook (from Squeeze) has his own record company and has made the > > > decision not to push out the boat for any kind of promotion. He sells > his > > > albums on his website and distributes them himself. He doesn't get to > > > number one in the charts but his solid fan base means that he sells a > > > pretty > > > good amount of albums. Plus, because he's selling them himself, he sees > > > so > > > much more money than if it goes through a record company. This means > he's > > > able to tour all the time in America as well as the UK. Maybe The Dels > > > should recognise that they already have a good fan base and head in that > > > direction? There are quite a few people on this list and I'm sure there > > > are > > > tons more people who have their website saved in their favourites. If > > > they > > > followed this idea perhaps they would do better? It would mean giving up > > > the hope of getting a wider fan base which I'm sure would be very > > > difficult > > > to do. The spread of fans could only be done by word of mouth. > > > > > > What does everyone else think? > > > > > I tend to think that the guys are a bit on the lazy side generally > > and maybe > > couldn't be bothered with sorting out their own record company. It's > > an > > idea though. I know Pete Townshend, for example, has no record deal > > as > > such, but distributes his stuff via his website. He has (still) a > > reasonably > > large fanbase so it's a decent income stream for him - but of course > > he is > > already wealthy and has income from a number of other sources as > > well > > (unlike the Dels) - plus there is only one of him to support! > > As for touring - well it's generally a loss making exercise to be > > frank, and > > is funded by the record company against future sales. Maybe they > > could > > play smaller venues without decent lights, sound etc. but then the > > shows > > would be nowhere near as good and I can't see them wanting to drop > > down > > to that level. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Tony > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > The information contained in or attached to this email is > > intended only for the use of the individual or entity to > > which it is addressed. If you are not the intended > > recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the > > intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not > > disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any > > part of it. It may contain information which is confidential > > and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or > > other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions > > outside England and Wales). > > > > The views expressed in this email are not necessarily the > > views of Centrica plc, and the company, its directors, > > officers or employees make no representation or accept any > > liability for its accuracy or completeness unless expressly > > stated to the contrary. ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #153 **********************************