From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #117 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, May 6 2002 Volume 04 : Number 117 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Jonathon Ross? ["Hilary Gray" ] OV: Re: Birmingham ["Anna Allen" ] OV: Can you do me good? [Birgit Wurm ] OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #113 ["Johnson, Tony D" ] OV: Shepherd's Bush Saturday 18/5 ["Sonia Beckett" ] OV: Re: Can you do me good? ["the Gardners" ] OV: Liverpool gig *spoiler* ["Anna Allen" ] OV: anecdotes and a question [Claire ] Re: OV: anecdotes and a question [MinervAthene@aol.com] OV: Glasgow [Birgit Wurm ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 09:55:54 +0100 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Jonathon Ross? http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/jonathan_ross/ does not now mention the Dels as guests this week. What's happened - too much aggro to do Liverpool - London - York in a day on a Bank Holiday weekend? Hilary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:20:14 +0100 From: "Anna Allen" Subject: OV: Re: Birmingham I took a basic camera to Oxford, and there were no problems from Security with that. At Liverpool last night I took my digicam. As I was at the front I showed it to the bouncer in front of me before the gig started to make sure he was ok with me taking pictures. They seemed fine as long as you don't have a professional-looking camera. Got some great shots too... Anna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:28:34 +0200 From: Birgit Wurm Subject: OV: Can you do me good? Just hand-painted "Del Amitri" on the front of a T-Shirt (blue-metalic on white), now something stops me from adding "Can you do me good?" slightly bigger on the back. Is that just me being a foreigner or might there be some not sought after misinterpretations of such totally harmless behaviour? - -- Birgit Down there is America, down there is Africa, down there are still people who think that mankind is the most important thing (Down there, Fury in the Slaughterhouse) _______________________________________________________________________ 1.000.000 Euro gewinnen - kostenlos tippen - http://millionenklick.web.de IhrName@web.de, 8MB Speicher, Verschluesselung - http://freemail.web.de _______________________________________________________________________ Das WEB.DE Zertifikat zur Pruefung digitaler Unterschriften gibts bei: http://trust.web.de/root.sql [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:35:45 +0100 From: "Johnson, Tony D" Subject: OV: RE: oppositeview-digest V4 #113 Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 02:25:03 EDT From: NIGELBLUES@aol.com Subject: OV: Jonathan Ross show this Saturday Not seen it mentioned here yet but Del Amitri are guests on the excellent Jonathan Ross show this Saturday on Radio 2. They will also play a couple of songs live acoustically. The show goes to air during 10am - 1pm, he has a different guest every hour so you'll have to tune in to find out during which hour they'll be on. You'll be able to listen to the show live on the web http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/listen_popr1.shtml You'll also be able to listen to the interview archived after the show at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/jonathan_ross/ BTW - For those who also love Elvis Costello, you'll be able to see and hear a webcast of a superb gig he recorded at the BBC Radio Theatre this Saturday at 8pm via the www.bbc.co.uk/radio2 website. They aren't on today's programme. Didn't think they would be - they're hardly likely to travel down to London from Liverpool (where they played last night) to appear on the show and then have to travel back up to York for tonight's gig. If they are going to be on I suspect it will be the weekend when they are in London, ie the 18th May, when they are playing Shepherd's Bush and Croydon. Cheers, Tony - ------------------------------------------------------------ The information contained in or attached to this email is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are not authorised to and must not disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message or any part of it. It may contain information which is confidential and/or covered by legal professional or other privilege (or other rules or laws with similar effect in jurisdictions outside England and Wales). 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Please....! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:28:59 +0100 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Re: Shepherd's Bush Saturday 18/5 Sonia, Standing tickets are still on sale at http://www.tickets-online.co.uk/ Cheers, Hilary - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sonia Beckett" To: Sent: 04 May 2002 12:05 Subject: OV: Shepherd's Bush Saturday 18/5 Does anyone have 2 (standing) tickets for Shepherd's Bush, Saturday 18th May, they'd like to sell? Please....! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:12:53 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: Re: Shepherd's Bush Saturday 18/5 I think someone on the UK BB had some Shepherd's Bush tickets going spare - not 100% sure it was Saturday though. See you there..... Jane > Does anyone have 2 (standing) tickets for Shepherd's Bush, Saturday 18th > May, they'd like to sell? > > Please....! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 11:45:05 -0400 From: "Andrew Cameron" Subject: OV: In defense of JBYL; US tour Dear OVers: Many thanks to the OVers who posted descriptions of the concert. I enjoyed reading them and really am getting tempted to see if I could fly over to the UK for a show or two. I started writing this message yesterday before I had seen the concert reviews. (I get the digest version because I get far too much email to receive the posts individually.) I started writing it as a sort of apologetics of the new material. I like the new material and am encouraged by your descriptions of how the material sounds live. What follows is my defense of some of the new material. We Del Amitri fans seem to have quite a divergence of opinion re the new album. I cant write an album review as well as the others on the list have, so I shant try. I mostly concur with Alessandros comments from a posting on April 26, and, to a slightly lesser extent, with Adams opinions of April 29. I will say, however, that the album has increasingly grown on me with repeated listenings, as was the case with Some Other Suckers Parade. Im not sure where Id rank it vis-`-vis their other albums, but I now am enjoying it immensely, which is all that really matters to me. I am writing mainly in support of songs in the style of Just before You Leave (JBYL). I know a lot of you dont like this (type of) song. First, Ill confess that I like Cry to Be Found (CTBF) immensely as well. Just so you know my bias up front, I do like a lot of soul and Motown music. I realize that peoples tastes in music are inherently subjective (how else to explain the popularity of Britney Spears and the boy bands?). Thus, Im not sure that the powers of logic or persuasion are applicable or even desirable when it comes to music preferences. I suppose that makes my message moot. Irrelevance never stopped me before, so why should it now? I frankly think that JBYL is a fabulous song. True, my favorite Del Amitri songs are guitar-dominated. As I mentioned in an earlier post, however, I enjoy groups most who show some diversity of style, arrangement, and instrumentation. Thats partly why I like JBYL and CTBF so much. I certainly understand, however, that if you dont like soul/Motown music, youre unlikely to enjoy these songs. To me, JBYL is exquisitely crafted and wonderfully reminiscent of the soul music era. Distinct from their traditional sound, JBYL weaves sounds from classical music with the roots of musics classic rock and soul eras. I think the song likely will provoke a diverse range of emotions and meanings for a wide variety of listeners. Although the soul influence would not enhance many of their songs, JBYL adds a welcome variety to DAs usual sound. I also like the fact that a variety of instruments are used. JBYL has a strong bass line that makes the song flow nicely. I also hear organ, drums/percussion, violins, and harp. Could someone tell me what creates the distinctive sound during the chorus? Im not a musician and cant tell what precisely created that sound. It sounds to me like a wah-wah pedal or some other kind of guitar pedal or special effects box. The sound is faintly reminiscent of the reverbed wah-wah scratch from the beginning of the song Theme from Shaft. I was hoping a musician on the list or someone who saw them live could tell me exactly what pedal or other instrument was used for that sound. Please note that I am not necessarily defending the use of JBYL as the first single. (The video eludes me.) I have no conception of what songs off the album will have the widest appeal because I dont understand the mass music market at all. See my B. Spears/boy bands comment above. The other sometimes-maligned song Ill defend is Drunk in a Band. Perhaps its not a lyrical tour-de-force. It will never be a favorite of mine. I liken the song to the Beatles Twist and Shout and Dire Straits Twisting by the Pool. Neither has the most profound lyrics. (Yes, I know that none of the Beatles wrote Twist and Shout, nor were the Beatles the first to perform it. But their version became the most popular.) I actually wasnt keen on Drunk at first. Once I accepted it as a fun little song, I started enjoying it. As others wrote before the concert and now has been confirmed by those at the concert, its a great song to hear live. It also seems like a great summer, riding-in-a-convertible-with-the-top-down song. Okay, the only problem is that I dont own a convertible, and its still rather cool and gray in Ohio. Perhaps just looking forward to summer, Im enjoying the song already. Change of subject: If there is anything I can do to help effect a US tour, I would be happy to get involved. Im not sure what I can do. I just wanted to let other OVers know that I will be happy to do what I can to aid the effort. Kind regards, Andrew Cameron Dublin, Ohio P.S. Id like to thank my parents and God for providing the resources necessary to buy the album. ;-) I dont mind if they hunt me down because Id like to meet them. Ill pass on the second half of the offer. (If this part of the message is cryptic to you, just email me off-list and Ill explain.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:11:03 +0100 From: "Claire" Subject: OV: Bad News For anyone going tonight.....Isn't Justin a Celtic supporter? Well we've just lost the cup in the last few seconds of the game to auld enemy Rangers......Don't think he'll be in a great mood!!! If anyone gets a word with him just point out that the good thing about cup games is that it lets the wee diddy teams have a go :0) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:36:02 -0400 From: "the Gardners" Subject: OV: Re: Can you do me good? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birgit Wurm" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:28 AM Subject: OV: Can you do me good? > Just hand-painted "Del Amitri" on the front of a T-Shirt (blue-metalic on > white), now something stops me from adding "Can you do me good?" slightly > bigger on the back. > Is that just me being a foreigner or might there be some not sought after > misinterpretations of such totally harmless behaviour? Weeellllll, to be honest if you're a female and have the words 'can you do me good' on a t-shirt here in Georgia USA I think you'd be presumed a bit loose on the morals there. Inviting a sexual assault, to put it mildly. TTFN Susan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 21:10:11 +0100 From: "Anna Allen" Subject: OV: Liverpool gig *spoiler* As Jane asked, I thought I'd let you all know how the Liverpool gig went. We arrived in Liverpool (Libby, Andrew, George and I) in perfect timing to see the band arrive at the venue. They were running really late, had been stuck in traffic so Justin wasn't in the most sparkling of moods! Traffic problems seemed to be the order of the day, we were patiently(!) queuing later on and saw Cousteau arrive about 15 mins before the doors were due to open. Luckily it didn't delay things too much. We took over the front row again, together with Mike and Lynne. We slept through Cousteau -sorry just can't think of anything nice to say about them. The band were in fine form, seemed much more relaxed than at Oxford. Justin was a lot more chatty. Iain had a whole host of technical problems, including a broken string and problems with one of his guitars (sorry about being vague but I'm not into guitars so I don't know what was going on). Justin spoilt his almost-perfect performance on the first night by forgetting a few lyrics, particularly to Jesus Saves. They did a Beatles track as promised, and Buddy played the harmonica. He seemed very touched by the fuss we made of him (Andrew doing 'we're not worthy' bows everytime he played and the rest of us cheering for him) and joked about taking George and I backstage with him. We met the band outside afterwards, and they were very cheerful and happy to chat, sign stuff and pose for photos. Great night, a bit of variation on the setlist would be good, but I'm not complaining ;-) Looking forward to the rest of the tour, Anna ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 06:48:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Claire Subject: OV: anecdotes and a question Sorry - I'm a bit behind in reading my digests... Okay, this might seem a bit different as far as anecdotes about del Amitri music go... Aside from being the soundtrack to my life - broken hearts, bad choices, the whole shebang - their music has always represented feeling like an independent grown-up type person for the first time in my life. I moved to England for graduate school around the same time Waking Hours came out - - it was probably the most popular album at my university and I heard it EVERYWHERE. This was the first time I'd ever *really* been away from home (San Francisco) - not just moved somewhere nearby - and therefore the first time I'd ever really felt free to be who and do what I wanted without my parents looming over me. Dont get me wrong - overall my parents were great, but in retrospect a bit too protective of me (their youngest child and only daughter). Yes, I see the irony of needing to escape San Francisco of all places in order to be free to be the real me - - it's usually the place people escape *to* to start living their lives honestly. Every memory, good and bad, from that time has some WH song connected to it. I distinctly remember buying the cassette at Boot's in the high street and realizing for the first time in my life I'd bought something I could go home and play as loud as I liked. It was at that moment everything just crystallized and I realized I could make my own choices and that I really, truly, was on my own. I practically skipped the whole way home (*very* grown up!). Twisted came out when I had moved to Korea - another "Oh, holy crap - I'm really on my own!" experience. I had never been to Asia, knew absolutely nobody, and didn't speak a word of Korean. No, I still dont know what possessed me to move there, and probably never will, other than I had no idea what to do with my life and I needed a change. At the time riots against the government and the teargas used to disperse them were still quite common in Seoul in the springtime and I got caught in one the day I bought Twisted (by the way - translating del Amitri from Korean is hilarious). I remember staggering home with my eyes, nose and throat feeling as if they were on fire and wondering just what the fuck I'd gotten myself into by moving to this city where everything seemed so crazy and there was nothing I could do about it. I soaked some towels, ran a bath, put on Twisted for the first time, and settled in for a good cry and woe-is-me pity party. Food for Songs could have been written about what was happening three blocks away, and by the time Start With Me had finished I knew the direction my life would be taking. Another "Wow. I'm an adult." moment. It's been one volunteer teaching job after another ever since. If anyone who has the Waking Hours interview CD could tell me what "early" thing Justin says This Side Of The Morning is a pastiche of I would appreciate it. It's been driving me nuts for 13 years now. Okay, time for everyone to wake up and move on to the next message. :) C ===== - - Just give me the coffee and nobody gets hurt. Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 12:35:32 EDT From: MinervAthene@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: anecdotes and a question In a message dated 05/05/2002 17:04:07 GMT Daylight Time, kschs@yahoo.com writes: << If anyone who has the Waking Hours interview CD could tell me what "early" thing Justin says This Side Of The Morning is a pastiche of I would appreciate it. It's been driving me nuts for 13 years now. >> "Early Faces records" (at least, that's what I'm hearing!!) Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 22:02:10 +0200 From: Birgit Wurm Subject: OV: Glasgow I'm seriously thinking about robbing the local bank of some of my funds. Before I do anything stupid (again), however, I'd like to know about my chances of still getting a ticket for the second Glasgow gig, say Thursday May 16? That's about the time I'd like to try to get a flight for and without a credit card I don't think I'd be able to get a ticket from Germany. - -- Birgit Down there is America, down there is Africa, down there are still people who think that mankind is the most important thing (Down there, Fury in the Slaughterhouse) _____________________________________________________________________________ __ Alles unter einem Dach: Informationen, Fun, E-Mails. Bei WEB.DE: http://web.de Sicher kommunizieren: E-Mail Verschl|sselung, Spamfilter http://freemail.web.de [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/x-pkcs7-signature which had a name of smime.p7s] ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #117 **********************************