From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #77 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, March 26 2002 Volume 04 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Re: JBYL release Date [Nancieh@aol.com] OV: re:Dotmusic review ["Rosemary Lucas" ] OV: Mercury blues [SngWrite1@aol.com] OV: Single information ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: Re: Single information ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: GGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! ["Claire O'Rourke" ] Re: OV: Single information [Darren Holmquist ] Re: OV: Mercury blues [doug brown ] OV: sheesh ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] Re: OV: sheesh ["Joe Brady" ] OV: Re: sheesh/Radio appearance ["Jane Armstrong" ] RE: OV: sheesh [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: sheesh [Alison Bellach ] RE: OV: sheesh ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] RE: OV: Mercury blues ["Biondani, Ian" ] Re: OV: sheesh ["the Gardners" ] OV: The glass is half... [SngWrite1@aol.com] RE: OV: The glass is half... [darren@bendcable.com] Re: OV: The glass is half... [Leah D Schenkenberg Received: from rly-xh01.mx.aol.com (rly-xh01.mail.aol.com [172.20.115.230]) by air-xh02.mail.aol.com (v84.10) with ESMTP id MAILINXH21-0325060751; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:07:51 -0500 Received: from anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net (anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.89]) by rly-xh01.mx.aol.com (v83.45) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINXH15-0325060738; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 06:07:38 -0500 Received: from murrayfield.demon.co.uk ([194.222.175.65]) by anchor-post-31.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 16pSJS-000LRp-0V; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:06:55 +0000 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.02.2022 Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:05:17 +0000 Subject: Del amitri From: delamitri To: del5 Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Mercury in their infinite wisdom have delayed the release to the shops of our single "Just Before You Leave". It will now be on sale one week later on April 1st. The album is still due in the shops on April 8th. In the meantime why not point your browser to to take the Vic Plectrum challenge and see the video on line. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 7:17:23 -0500 From: "Rosemary Lucas" Subject: OV: re:Dotmusic review Why do people love to hate, then hate to love the Dels so much? The review was actually pretty good, but with the teaser line on the intro screen for this week's reviews being 'Last-gasp career invention from English dullard stalwarts', I doubt many of the young-and-impressionables who need to be 'converted' will click over to the next screen to read the review. It does have good placement on the screen, though (2nd down and above Travis), so maybe that will help. And isn't it sad that things like placement matter these days? Ah, the instant grat/remote control/point-and-click generation, what will become of them?! Why when I was their age, I had to hike 20 miles through the snow barefoot just to buy Neil Young and Crazy Horse tickets.... anybody got any Motrin??! --- Rosemary Lucas--- prudencetofu@earthlink.net--- EarthLink: The #1 provider of the Real Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:50:09 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: Mercury blues Can someone tell me the infinite wisdom of advertising a single to be out on a certain day and then at the last moment pushing it back a week? Let's just hope Mercury don't pull a "Medicine" on us and pull the single all together. I think Justin's pessimism towards their chances of success is now justified! A label that doesn't care... management that can't even let fans know about television appearances... "fans" who trash the album before it's even released... I'd be negative too. And shame on Mercury for not getting this announcement made sooner - not every Del Fan is on the email list, or this list. I'm sure there will be many disappointed Del Amitri fans coming out of record stores today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:28:37 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: Single information Apologies to all who were expecting to be able to buy the new single this morning and found it was not available until next week. This change was made due to the success of the radio promotions, and it was decided to postpone release to give chance for as much coverage as possible. The single will now be released on April 1st. In the meantime, the single and b-sides are still available to listen to on our site. Why not play "Vick Plectrum's Football Extravaganza" as well and be in with a chance of winning Del Amitri goodies. See our site for details. Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:54:02 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: Single information > This change was made due to the success of the radio promotions, and it > was decided to postpone release to give chance for as much coverage as > possible. That's what they say. I still reckon it's because Travis have a single being released today and they're worried that people will buy that instead of the Dels. The very nice man in HMV Bracknell is quite optimistic about the single though - he said he's certain it will chart in the Top 40 because they have such a great live following (can't say I'm that optimistic), but he's doubled the order so I can buy the 10 copies I need. But what a cock up. People will have made a special effort to go and buy it, but having been disappointed this week, are they likely to go again next week, or will they wait until they're passing? Typical !!! Jane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 14:23:47 -0000 From: "Claire O'Rourke" Subject: OV: GGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!! What are they playing at?????!!!! I was out at HMV (and a lot of other good record stores!) for my copy of the single (had'nt had the email then) I was convinced the guy in HMV was lying...The girl in Smiths didn't look too worried at my pained expression.....and the guy in Virgin Megastore (where the boys will be playing two weeks from now (hah we hope!) who have HUGE posters in their window announcing this,) well....he looked positively scared of me and insisted I went behind the counter to look at his computer to prove he wasn't lying, that it wasn't all some big conspiracy to ensure I didn't get my copy...... I went through the....is today 25 march? was it today? I knew of course it was! I just couldn't understand it!!!!! I even wondered if Justin had gone round all the Glasgow stores to ensure I didnt get a copy because I called him The Craig Brown of Del Amitri......! And no....it's another feck up by mercury......is anyone else beginning to wonder, after all this time, if it will ever be released??????????????? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:48:53 -0800 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: Re: OV: Single information This is the kind of label/management decisions that have plagued this band since day one. All the way back to when they were the cover boys for (Melody Maker???) and everyone went into a panic and decided the best thing to do is to NOT have anything in the stores for fans or would be fans to purchase. At least not for another 3 months.... Does the fact that positive radio play is being generated, have any effect on in-store sales?? *I* would think it would be a helpful tool. Can a single no longer be played on the radio after it's been released for sale?? Are Monday's the ONLY day people are allowed to buy new singles??? People really can only buy 1 single???? If consumers like the song, they'll (hopefully) go out and buy it. With a new Travis single out, it just means that people are going to be out in the shops, shopping.... why not have your wares out there ready and available too?? If someone is in a buying frenzy they may as well pick up your single, too. They're already in the shop, with money in hand. I'm no Business Administration/Management scholar, but I think this is another in a cascade of rudimentary mistakes that surround this band. :) But, ours is not to wonder why, ours is to wait and buy. Darren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:05:28 -0800 (PST) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Mercury blues I think pulling this single would be the smartest thing they could do, other than not trying to release it in the first place. Here's hoping they came to their senses and are going to pick a better song to promote (without Vic's help). Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:15:05 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: sheesh I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't know why I bother half the time. Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:28:00 +0000 From: "Joe Brady" Subject: Re: OV: sheesh Kev, You bother becaues like most of the peolpe on this list you care about the band.I for one dont care when the single comes out as i will buy it as soon as it hits the shops...... Keep your chin up mate. Joe Brady. ........ >From: "Kevin Cawthorne" >To: >Subject: OV: sheesh >Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:15:05 -0000 > >I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't know why I >bother half the time. > >Kevin Cawthorne >Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK >http://www.delamitri.co.uk > >------------------------------------------------------ >This message and any attachment has been virus checked >------------------------------------------------------ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:35:57 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: sheesh/Radio appearance > I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't know why I > bother half the time. > Kev I think most of the negativity (apart from Doug's :-) obviously) is directed at Mercury and/JPR (for not informing us of radio dates etc). Not necessarily at the band - as it's all out of their hands, and certainly not at you, as you can only feed through the information you are given. Incidentally, someone on the UK BB has said that the Dels are appearing on Radio London 94.9 FM at 10pm this Thursday. You can listen live at this website http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/ Could be interesting - it's slap bang in the middle of our weekly chat. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my home page: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea Del Amitri pages: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/Delpage.html Why not join the chat every Thursday at 9pm UK time: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/chat.html The Devlins discussion list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheDevlins ICQ No: 34643730 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:47:33 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: RE: OV: sheesh If the label had a track record that was batting even .500, then the negativity wouldn't happen. The fans only want what's best for the band, (at least I do) and so far, no one has proven that the label is doing what's best for the band. Putting out posters that say "Coming March 25th, the new single from Del Amitri", and then there being no single... it's not the label that looks bad... it's the band that looks foolish. Mercury is a big company. They *should* have their shit together, and know how to release a single on time. And, I'm not upsest waiting for the release! I couldn't go buy a copy anyway! There won't be a release here! Another sound decision by Mercury. Darren - ---- Original Message ---- >I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't know why I >bother half the time. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 09:48:02 -0800 (PST) From: Alison Bellach Subject: Re: OV: sheesh Kevin, don't worry, I am positive that none of this is aimed at you. We wub woo! On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kevin Cawthorne wrote: > I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't know why I > bother half the time. > > Kevin Cawthorne > Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK > http://www.delamitri.co.uk > > ------------------------------------------------------ > This message and any attachment has been virus checked > ------------------------------------------------------ > - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:57:15 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: RE: OV: sheesh Don't get me wrong, I didn't take it personally. Just having a VERY bad day in general, and the last thing I needed was this! Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Alison Bellach > Sent: 25 March 2002 17:48 > To: Opposite View > Subject: Re: OV: sheesh > > > Kevin, don't worry, I am positive that none of this is aimed > at you. We wub woo! > > On Mon, 25 Mar 2002, Kevin Cawthorne wrote: > > > I don't know, with all this negativity around here I don't > know why I > > bother half the time. > > > > Kevin Cawthorne > > Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK > > http://www.delamitri.co.uk > > > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > This message and any attachment has been virus checked > > ------------------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com > http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 17:54:11 -0000 From: "Biondani, Ian" Subject: RE: OV: Mercury blues I have to disagree with this. I think it's a great song, in fact it shows that the dels are prepared to move with the times and appeal to a wider audience by broadening their style of music. This cannot be a bad thing. Regards Ian > -----Original Message----- > From: doug brown [mailto:douge_brown@yahoo.com] > Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 5:05 PM > To: oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: Re: OV: Mercury blues > > > I think pulling this single would be the smartest > thing they could do, other than not trying to release > it in the first place. Here's hoping they came to > their senses and are going to pick a better song to > promote (without Vic's help). > Yahoo! Movies - coverage of the 74th Academy Awards. http://movies.yahoo.com/ This message is for the named person's use only. It may contain sensitive and private proprietary or legally privileged information. No confidentiality or privilege is waived or lost by any mistransmission. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately delete it and all copies of it from your system, destroy any hard copies of it and notify the sender. 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[demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:28:09 -0500 From: "the Gardners" Subject: Re: OV: sheesh - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison Bellach" To: "Opposite View" Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:48 PM Subject: Re: OV: sheesh > Kevin, don't worry, I am positive that none of this is aimed at you. We > wub woo! Oh we dooo! We willy willy doooo! TTFN Sssssufferin' sssssucatash SSSSSusan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:26:24 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: The glass is half... Empty or full? I think what's empty would be the heads of the Mercury execs who made this decision. And Del Amitri fans are getting full of anger towards them. "This change was made due to the success of the radio promotions, and it was decided to postpone release to give chance for as much coverage as possible." Just think about that for a moment. Since they are having "success" at radio they don't want to make it available for people to buy. Wow that's brilliant, a whole new economic theory has been created - "Okay we've go the demand, we've advertised the supply being available on a certain date, and then on that date, let's have NO supply at all." Do they not think that it would be better if they were able to say (during those successful radio moments), "That was the new single by Del Amitri - AVAILABLE NOW!"? Has anyone heard of this happening before? Regardless of how this record performs, I hope the Dels will seek new representation and a new label. JPR should never have allowed this to happen, but apparently they're too busy forgetting to tell the UK fans about radio and tv appearances to worry about how the record company is screwing up. On the precipice of what should be an exciting new era for the band, a dark cloud hangs over the whole thing. But hey, at least the UK contingent can look on the bright side... they don't have to pay for international shipping on the CD's like we will in the US. And you get a tour... and radio & tv appearances (if you happen to luck upon them)... and in-stores... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:48:27 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: RE: OV: The glass is half... - ---- Original Message ---- >Has anyone heard of this happening before? It happened with their very first record. Before the album was released, the band was on the cover of a major British music magazine. This caused a panic at the record company, who pushed back the release 3 months, until the furor had died down. And that was Chrysalis!! They were a has-been before they'd released an album! So, this concept must be an industry wide thing. And, I agree, it's maddening. I think the concept the labels are working on next is, to not release any discs AT ALL. That way they don't have to worry about all this stuff. I think the single format is just about finished here in the US. Go into a Tower Records, and more than 70% of the singles are imports. Except for the flavor of the hour, no singles are sold here. Nobody *I* like, releases singles commercially anymore... not even the bands that are hotter than shit... Sad, really... Darren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 18:17:50 -0600 From: Leah D Schenkenberg Subject: Re: OV: The glass is half... in those email surveys that college students do instead of their homework to procrastinate... one of the often surfacing questions is "is the glass half full or half empty?" My favorite response has always the answer my friend amanda gave: Who cares? Drink up!! Over here at least, it's hard to be mad that the single is pushed a week since I can't buy it anyway. and while it sucks that the record company can't get it together and Del Amitri is the one suffering for that...I just remember that in my 4 years of being a fan, they've never released anything, and it's only been by divine intervention that one of the two US cities they hit was my own. It's almost better for me to just assume they'll never do anything new, and then rediscover it after it's out, because that's how I usually find all my favorite stuff.... for those who have heard the whole album...any good piano songs on there? Leah ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 23:14:03 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: Slighty off topic Devlins On the Devlins website it says that Consent is supposed to be released in the US on March 26 on Nettwerk America. A while ago I saw the same date listed on NA's website. I thought I'd check Amazon to see if anyone reviewed it, and they don't even list it, neither does anyone else that I can find. I checked ICE (CD release dates newsletter) - not listed either. ARRRRRGGGGG Watch for my new TV show "When Bad Things Happen To Good Bands"... Dave ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #77 *********************************