From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #72 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, March 21 2002 Volume 04 : Number 072 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Dels v Travis ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: JC Interview ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: Darn! ["Jane Armstrong" ] Re: OV: Dels v Travis [doug brown ] Re: OV: Dels v Travis [MinervAthene@aol.com] Re: OV: Dels v Travis ["Andrew Douglas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:50:10 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Dels v Travis I was amused to read Justin's comments about Travis in the Q&A. Hilary and I have been talking about the two bands and we reckon that Travis are the next generation Del Amitri - but with better marketing. I often wonder what might have happened if the roles were reversed and it was Travis who formed back in 1983 and the Dels in 1996. I love the way Justin says that they want to hate them as people but they're too nice - so they can only hate the fact that Travis have sold so many more records. It's interesting that Travis' new single "Flowers In The Window" comes out next Monday - the same day as "Just Before You Leave"..... You can guess which one my money's on for a Top Ten hit - unfortunately it's not the Dels. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Visit my home page: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea Del Amitri pages: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/Delpage.html Why not join the chat every Thursday at 9pm UK time: http://www.delamitri.co.uk/~janea/chat.html The Devlins discussion list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheDevlins ICQ No: 34643730 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:38:21 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: JC Interview Just listened to the interview on Wave 105 with Justin. His new explanation for the name "Del Amitri" is "Worn out Shoes" :-) The rest of the interview was non-eventful really, apart from they mentioned the band diary on the site :-) Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:27:03 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Darn! Just read my emails and someone from the Otway list mailed me to say that Justin was on BBC Radio 5 Live this morning too!!! I could have listened to that too! Kev you're REALLY going to have to give JPR a big kick to find out when they're on ! You'd think they'd WANT us to listen! All the other bands I like let us know when they're making an appearance. Also, aren't they doing any record shop appearances? I would have expected them to be at HMV in Glasgow or something when the single comes out. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 13:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Dels v Travis Sad thing to me is Travis is really a lightweight band compared to the Dels. I know you Brits like them but to me they are lacking in creative songwriting and really lacking in vocals compared to Justin's terrific voice. Maybe they sound like something new over there but I am underwhelmed with them. I still mostly blame, to start, 1) Whoever is responsible for picking the singles, and 2) Whoever is letting these videos get made. The Dels have had tons of wonderful material over the years that has never been well presented to the public (especially the American public), and therein lies the lack of mass appeal. What are you going to do? Besides listen to Doug and get a new single fast. :) The good news is ... music fans are getting so nauseated with the music business that ways for artists to make a living outside of the biz are popping up all over. Check this out: http://www.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/20/uncle.tupelo.ap/index.html Even just a few years ago mainstream coverage of true alternative music like this was unheard of. Ridiculous concert and cd prices and everyone's favorite bands getting cut from labels help Napster succeed. I almost beat up my TV when the music biz shill stood up at te Grammy's and gave his speech on how Napster and pirating was killing the music business. I do not advocate music piracy but if they want to know who's really to blame for the "state" of the music biz all they need to do is look in a mirror at their fat ass tone deaf bureacratic mugs. Funny, I know far more music fans that buy music that will never be on a Billboard chart than ones that do. Hundreds of people even, which leads me to believe there are many many more, and that if they Dels can keep making good music they will always have enough fans to get them by. p.s. Justin, if you can read this please stop writing about me! I WILL buy the album and singles dammit! Which reminds me of a favorite pickup line, "Can I buy you a drink or do you just want the money?" But that's for another mail list ... "I don't look at the discussion pages anymore,it's too depressing. It's like overhearing old friends bitching about your fiancee the week before the wedding. Everybody's invited but if you don't like the band, don't dance, go to the bar or quietly fuck off home." - - J.C. at the Q&A Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:40:44 EST From: MinervAthene@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: Dels v Travis I do like Travis, quite a lot, but I agree they have a kind of 'lightweight' feel to them. I've heard Fran Healy in interviews talk about his songwriting process - he likes things that take him five minutes - and disparaging bands that take long months or even years to record an album. Again, he said he likes the quick approach. Now, to me that says they've been really lucky to achieve anything like the quality that they have, and I suppose it does provide a certain 'freshness' to some songs, but it doesn't really fill me with confidence - I'm of the opinion that results more often come from skill and hard work. Hmm... perhaps it's best if I don't think too much - it's been a long day wandering the streets of Glasgow!! (a rather tired) Sarah douge_brown@yahoo.com writes: << Sad thing to me is Travis is really a lightweight band compared to the Dels. I know you Brits like them but to me they are lacking in creative songwriting and really lacking in vocals compared to Justin's terrific voice. Maybe they sound like something new over there but I am underwhelmed with them. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 21:45:22 -0000 From: "Andrew Douglas" Subject: Re: OV: Dels v Travis This is just brilliant - and to think i'd never heard it before! It's definately being put to good use this weekend:) > Which reminds me of a favorite pickup line, "Can I buy > you a drink or do you just want the money?" But that's > for another mail list ... ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #72 *********************************