From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #56 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Tuesday, March 5 2002 Volume 04 : Number 056 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: RE: Editorializing ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: Radio 2 [hilary_gray@sandwich.pfizer.com] Re: OV: Radio 2 [miklyn@btinternet.com] OV: Round Table ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: Vote for Del! ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] Re: OV: Del Amitri evolves Texas-style? [doug brown ] OV: RE: Re: Vote for Del! ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: Re: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! ["Chris Fleming" ] Re: OV: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! [Debbie Cushing ] OV: Re: In my humble opinion ["Libby Graham" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:13:55 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: RE: Editorializing All First, in answer to your question Darren, it was requested by the band and management, but Mercury, of course, have final yes or no on it. Its sort of like see-saw. For the years I've been running the site, I have wanted to get clips or streams up of the new stuff, and people have emailed me asking if they will be available. This album release has taken an unprecedented u-turn in what both Alison and I have had for content before. We were wooing and bouncing round happily at just getting the new artwork online for you all on previous releases! They have allowed sooo much streaming it's like they have released the single as full blown free internet release before it goes for release in the shops. Is that a wise move? Time will tell... Have a look at other sites, see how many of them stream whole single releases and b-sides, Not many. Like the new material though, it's down to people's taste. Like Sandro said, it's that dying to get home feeling when buying the single so you can play it that is sacrificed, but I don't think the album will be as covered like the single has, so you still have that to look forward to. I am going to put a poll together for this so we get some feedback we can pass back to the band/record company. It would be interesting to see people's point of view Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Darren Holmquist > Sent: 04 March 2002 02:18 > To: Oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: OV: Editorializing > > > Personally, I've used the current steams of new Dels material > as a mere apetizer. I'm not listening to them alot, on > purpose. Until I can hear the whole album. > > I've been one of those who didn't love a new Dels album on > first hearing, too. I think this has helped me in the long > run, however. The songs were able to install themselves > permanently. Kinda like a tumor. In my case, inoperable. :) > > I liked what Sandro said about not being able to rush home to > listen to the record. In this world of everything being > instant, drive-through, microwavable, superkingsized, you can > hear music before it's released. You can hear it the moment > you get into your car. And for some of us collectors, you > can sometimes hear a record before it's released. Good or > bad? I don't know. It's the way it is, though. > > I was able to hear McCartney's Flaming Pie before it was > released. SOSP as well. And, many others. It hasn't > changed how I feel about the music. Mainly, because when you > hear it for the first time, is basically its day of release. > But, I do prefer to hear it on CD, in a quiet room. Not over > the internet. The songs posted are only an attempt to whet > your appetites for the new album. To make you hungry for > more. And, while it may turn some away, hopefully it works > for others. I'd be curious though... was it a Band decision > or a record company decision to make the streaming audio available? > > True, Sandro's point being that part of the mystique, the > thrill of buying music, is being lost. I agree. As a kid, I > used to buy my music after school, and the entire ride home > on the bus was sheer torture. A delightful torture to be > sure... but torture none the less. To sit there and stare at > the album... so close, yet so far. > > While the new music we've heard hasn't exactly been music to > my ears, it IS new Del Amitri material. And, another chapter > in a hopefully long book. > > And, with that... I need to go look for more songs from the > upcoming Patty Griffin release!!! ;-) > > Darren ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:53:21 -0000 From: hilary_gray@sandwich.pfizer.com Subject: OV: Radio 2 An email sent to me by a friend this morning. It seems I have them well trained to spot Del Amitri already..... >Johnny Walker is sitting in for Wogan at the moment and he had to confess >to a disaster this morning. The record to take them into the 8.00 pips had >not come up on the electronic 'jukebox' and (allegedly) it was a new song by >the Dels. "Del Amitri Almost Played on Radio 2 Breakfast Show Shock!" Very >scary, as the second song he played after 7.30 was 'Italian Plastic' - not >the best known song by Crowded House (an album track from Woodface). It seems that we should be giving credit to the plugger(s) if they are getting JBYL listed on Radio 2 prime time listening, as well as the video on MTV and VH1. Hilary PFIZER GLOBAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message and any attachment has been virus checked by the PGRD Sandwich Data Centre. - ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 13:05:19 +0000 (GMT) From: miklyn@btinternet.com Subject: Re: OV: Radio 2 Yes Hilary it's on the radio 2 playlist for this week www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/audioreplay/audio_playlist.shtml Mike > An email sent to me by a friend this morning. It seems I have them well > trained to spot Del Amitri already..... > > >Johnny Walker is sitting in for Wogan at the moment and he had to confess > >to a disaster this morning. The record to take them into the 8.00 pips had > >not come up on the electronic 'jukebox' and (allegedly) it was a new song > by > >the Dels. "Del Amitri Almost Played on Radio 2 Breakfast Show Shock!" Very > >scary, as the second song he played after 7.30 was 'Italian Plastic' - not > >the best known song by Crowded House (an album track from Woodface). > > It seems that we should be giving credit to the plugger(s) if they are > getting JBYL listed on Radio 2 prime time listening, as well as the video on > MTV and VH1. > > Hilary > > > PFIZER GLOBAL RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message and any attachment has been virus checked by the > PGRD Sandwich Data Centre. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:16:00 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Round Table A friend has just told me that "Just Before You Leave" was played on Steve Wright's Round Table on Radio 2 last week. This is where celebrities listen to two or three songs and say whether or not they think it will be a hit. Unfortunately, they didn't like it very much. But it was up against Nicole Kidman's "One Day I'll Fly Away" - which was apparently a bit of a dirge and was liked even less. Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:51:48 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: Vote for Del! Vote for Dels on the round table.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/steve_wright/rtv.shtml?configfile=vote control2.xml Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:10:50 -0800 (PST) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Del Amitri evolves Texas-style? - --- SngWrite1@aol.com wrote: > It seems to me that what the Dels are doing bears a > bit of a resemblence to > what their pals Texas did a few albums back. I would say great minds think alike but that'd be an insult to you! I was also wondering if Justin has maybe spent too much time with Sharleen, John and the gang recently. I was definitely disappointed with their transition from Rick's Road (when I jumped on the Texas bus) to White on Blonde, but wound up loving White on Blonde for the pop masterpiece that it is. I'm all for change, it's been nice to hear the Dels evolve up to SOSP, and thankfully they moved on from their first album haha. But JBYL is no pop masterpiece. Hey if you like the song fine, but it's not going to set the world on fire. We'll see how the rest of the album goes. I kind of have two opinions going, what do I think and how do I think the rest of the world is going to react. I can listen to J Lo and hate it but realize she'll sell millions, I can listen to Stereophonics and LOVE it and realize they'll probably never be too big. (plug for "Just Enough Education To Perform", a really wonderful CD). Do the Dels care how the album does? Of course they do. Not only is there not much point in making crap that everyone hates but artists realistically need to balance art with the sad truth that beer costs money. So I'm sure they'd like to have enough success to at least not have to look for yet another label so they can keep making music because it beats working for a living. And it's just nice to get some appreciation. As for the previews. I'm a young guy but ... I miss vinyl! Nothing like walking home with a big ole shrink wrapped Aerosmith record with big artwork and real inserts and stuff. Not to mention the high frequencies getting butchered with the CD sample rate but that's another story. That being said I think putting out the promo stuff does nothing but help the album. Bad or good, you got to get your name and work out there, advertising sells - it can even sell crap. It's only going to help the band to have the web sites going with snippets of stuff. Still hoping the album is far better than what he's seen so far, Doug Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:49:40 +0000 From: tracykeates@supanet.com Subject: OV: In my humble opinion [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] the new album is absolutley fantastic. I, like most of you, have been a fan from the beginning and have been waiting with great impatience the release of this album and tour dates. I did get a promo copy of the album - sorry Kev but I couldn't turn it down but rest assured I WILL be buying it at release too. Anyway, I don't often post but after reading what everyone has said over the weekend about JBYL and the worries about the album I felt moved to post this time. My first listen to the whole album was with my friend (another Dels fan) I held back listening until both oif us could listen to the whole thing through without interruption and was rewarded when we listened 3 times in succession. On first listen stand out tracks were 'Buttons on My Clothes', 'Drunk in a band' 'Wash her awy' and my firend was moved to tears on first listen of 'Just getting by'. It is different from the other albums but it would be pretty boring if they hadn't evolved. I've had it on in the car ever since and I can honestly say that the whole album is awesome, there are some great ballads, classic Dels and new sounds all of which come together - I can't wait to hear it all live. My favourite tracks are Wash her Away and Jesus Saves, and I can't get Buttons on my clothes out of my head. My husband who decalres himself to be NOT a fan actually asked to listen to 'Drunk in a band' again!!! I agree with some of you in that I'm not sure JBYL was a great choice for first single but the video I think will get a lot of play as it is very 'now'. If there is any justice then this album should do really well, and I assure you that once you've all got your hands on it the long wait will have been well worth it. Tracy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: [none] Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:14:16 -0500 (EST) From: MinervAthene@aol.com Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 12:14:14 EST Subject: OV: transcribed Justin interview To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org Precedence: bulk For your reading pleasure... The end or a fresh start? Del Amitri reveal all (Daily Record, Friday 1st March 2002) The Big 192 Exclusive by John Dingwall BACK JUSTIN TIME Del Amitri's frontman reveals the band are ready to rock after four years in the pop wilderness Del Amitri star Justin Currie has revealed he thought his group were destined for obscurity after Scotland's humiliating failure at the World Cup finals four years ago. [hello? Scotland so did not make it anywhere near the finals!!] The singer, who penned the nation's official Scotland squad anthem for the trip to the France '98 competition, believes fans blamed the ban's pessimistic Don't Come Home Too Soon for the team's dismal performance. But despite becoming the constant butt of jokes wherever he travelled, Justin refused to give up and battled to record a new album with Del Amitri in the face of mounting adversity. First, Polygram, the parent company of their record label A&M, founded by musician Herb Alpert and Jerry Moss more than three decades ago, was bought by a French sewage company, Vivendi. Then A&M was shut down, leaving the Dels to ponder their future. Eventually, they were switched to Mercury Records - another subsidiary of the Polygram firm - but were prevented from releasing new material until now. Even Justin, who founded the ban with Iain Harvie, acknowledges that a hastily-assembled Greatest Hits album in 1998 seemed to confirm the band's demise. He said: "People thought that was the album we were getting out before we finished up, but it wasn't the case. Things were on hold, though." Four years on, Del Amitri have been given the go-ahead to release a new album and single, from recordings which took place last year - much to the relief of the Glaswegian tunesmiths who have enjoyed 17 top 40 hits in their career. The ban's sixth studio album, Can You Do Me Good?, is released on April 8 and is nothing short of a pop comeback after years in the wilderness. It's their first studio recording since 1997's Some Other Sucker's Parade and features 12 new songs, including their forthcoming single Just Before You Leave, out on March 25. The ban have also confirmed their first major UK tour in three years, including Glasgow Barrowlands on May 9 when they'll be performing favourites such as Nothing Ever Happens, Kiss This Thing Goodbye, Always the Last To Know and Roll To Me. And Justin is convinced the success or otherwise of the comeback bid will determine the future of Del Amitri. He said: "Time will tell how the new single and album do. The chances are high that this record will disappear without trace and we'll be without a record deal. "We regard ourselves as lucky to be able to make a living from music without having to deal with fame and having to smile for the telly cameras. "We've been successful enough to pay our wages for 15 years. I wouldn't swap places with Kylie Minogue or Robbie Williams who have to play up to the expectations of their record companies and the public, day in day out. "We are full-time musicians, but have never had that enormous record which thrust us into the limelight overnight." He added: "I'm being realistic when I say the record could do well or that it could be an enormous flop. "Unless we have a big hit, without doubt well be looking for another record deal, which will be hard. "But big hits are in the lap of the gods and are down to luck. We just have to cross our fingers. "There's no way I would sit down and try to write a song which I thought would be perfect for the current pop market just to contrive a hit. "I say that even though I know this is a comeback for us because we have been away for a long time. It's a challenge." But if all else fails, Justin admits he wouldn't rule out a collaborative album of duets to keep the royalties rolling in. He said: "I'd quite happily do a duet with Marti Pellow and Lulu, but none of the band would compromise what we do as Del Amitri in an effort to sell more records. "We don't think about what the market will bear." He added: "We spent about two or three years writing songs before the record company were convinced we had enough to make a record. "We had about 80 tunes for them to choose from. "We felt the last album was underwritten. It took a while to record it, but the record company delayed it for corporate reasons. "They kept putting the release back even though the album was finished a year ago, which was a bit frustrating. "The main problems we faced began when A&M folded after a company called Vivendi bought the parent firm Polygram. "So, bizarre as it seems, we are now owned by a Paris sewer company." He joked: "Cisterns have been banned from all our records and we get free toilet paper, but it's not as glamorous as it sounds. "It was frustrating having to wait, but once we started recording the record, I knew we were going to be able to release something. "Our music has never been trendy so we've never had to get it out there quickly before tastes change, unlike most of the bland op music which relies on the fickle taste of kids or some dance music which is constantly changing styles. Even so, I can't wait for the single to come out and the tour to start. "I'm really pleased with it and desperate to let people hear it." Having toured almost constantly for a decade, Justin admits returning home to Glasgow during the lay off was a bit of a culture shock. He felt alienated and had difficulty adjusting to the routines of normal daily life. He said: " The great joy of doing the washing up was about as exciting as it got after taking to the stage in different cities around the world every night. "If you have been away from home for a long time and in a different town for years like we were, it is slightly dislocating and you fell detached from your own culture when you get home. "It takes a long time to catch up with your friends. "Thankfully, the great thing about Glasgow is that you bump into a lot of people and there's no chance of being aloof because people would quickly bring us back down to earth with a bump." Some fans could be in for a shock when they hear the new material. For the first time, the group have ditched their live sound and turned to new technology while in the studio. Justin explained: "We've recorded it differently to our previous records and used computers for the first time, which was quite liberating. "But we hope the changes won't be too drastic for those who like what Del Amitri do. It's still about the songs." And the band haven't turned their backs on the football theme completely, despite the long-term effect of being behind Scotland's most controversial World Cup anthem. The tongue-in-cheek video promo to their latest song features the heart-breaking tale of a glove puppet soccer idol who can't resist the high life and is turfed out of his marital home after a fling with two footballing groupies. Justin said: "The video is great. It is Footballers' Wives played by finger puppets. It is a finger puppet footballer from the early Eighties who scores a winning goal in a Euro Cup final and plays around with a couple of glove puppet dolly birds. "He comes home and his wife throws him out along with all of his clothes. But there is a happy ending. Eventually, they make up." Meanwhile, Justin is delighted with Scotland's latest signing, former Germany coach Berti Vogts. He revealed: "I couldn't take being slagged off in pubs anymore. "I'm so relieved that we have Berti Vogts because as a Scotland fan I couldn't take the negativity of Craig Brown who seemed to make excused for the team before they'd even stepped on the pitch. "Berti is the right man for the job. He says he want us to get into the winning habit and seems ready to put the passion back into the Scotland team. "That's something which has been missing for years." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:05:33 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: Vote for Del! Thanks for this link Kev. The Dels are currently in 3rd place with 29% of the vote. We can get that up with a concerted effort! This would hopefully ensure more airplay.... Another group I am on managed to get John Otway voted the Nation's 7th Favourite Lyricist (John who???) in a National BBC poll. If they can do it - so can we .... We can;t let Gordon Haskell - whoever HE is - win!!! > Vote for Dels on the round table.. > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/steve_wright/rtv.shtml?configfile=votecont rol2.xml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:21:08 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: RE: Re: Vote for Del! Don't you mean second place? Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Jane Armstrong > Sent: 04 March 2002 19:06 > To: Dels > Subject: OV: Re: Vote for Del! > > > Thanks for this link Kev. The Dels are currently in 3rd > place with 29% of the vote. We can get that up with a > concerted effort! This would hopefully ensure more airplay.... > > Another group I am on managed to get John Otway voted the > Nation's 7th Favourite Lyricist (John who???) in a National > BBC poll. If they can do it - so can we .... We can;t let > Gordon Haskell - whoever HE is - win!!! > > > > Vote for Dels on the round table.. > > > > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/steve_wright/rtv.shtml?confi gfile=votecont rol2.xml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:25:57 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! Of course I do!! Thick - that's me! And you can vote for them multiple times - I've managed to get them up to 32.4% ..... by voting 5 times. But it won't let me vote again... Jane > Don't you mean second place? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:38:09 -0000 From: "Chris Fleming" Subject: OV: Re: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! I have now got the dels at no 1 with 41,6% ChrisF - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Armstrong" To: "Kevin Cawthorne" Cc: "Dels" Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 7:25 PM Subject: OV: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! > Of course I do!! Thick - that's me! And you can vote for them multiple > times - I've managed to get them up to 32.4% ..... by voting 5 times. But > it won't let me vote again... > > Jane > > > Don't you mean second place? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:25:20 -0800 (PST) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Re: RE: Re: Vote for Del! I think you'll find them in first place now. :-) - --- Jane Armstrong wrote: > Of course I do!! Thick - that's me! And you can > vote for them multiple > times - I've managed to get them up to 32.4% ..... > by voting 5 times. But > it won't let me vote again... > > Jane > > > Don't you mean second place? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 08:46:55 -0000 From: "Libby Graham" Subject: OV: Re: In my humble opinion May I just say I wholeheartedly agree!!! There is only one track on the album I can't stand - One Last Hurrah - I nearly hate it as much as Stone Cold Sober. The rest is pure unadulterated Dels. And Drunkk in a Band is just completely brilliant! You must hear it on CD - the quality is loads better than via the web - and through headphones. Justin's words are as interesting and thought provoking as usual. Libby - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 12:49 PM Subject: OV: In my humble opinion > [demime could not interpret encoding binary - treating as plain text] > the new album is absolutley fantastic. > > I, like most of you, have been a fan from the beginning and have been waiting > with great impatience the release of this album and tour dates. I did get a > promo copy of the album - sorry Kev but I couldn't turn it down but rest > assured I WILL be buying it at release too. > > Anyway, I don't often post but after reading what everyone has said over the > weekend about JBYL and the worries about the album I felt moved to post this > time. > > My first listen to the whole album was with my friend (another Dels fan) I > held back listening until both oif us could listen to the whole thing through > without interruption and was rewarded when we listened 3 times in succession. > > On first listen stand out tracks were 'Buttons on My Clothes', 'Drunk in a > band' 'Wash her awy' and my firend was moved to tears on first listen of 'Just > getting by'. It is different from the other albums but it would be pretty > boring if they hadn't evolved. > > I've had it on in the car ever since and I can honestly say that the whole > album is awesome, there are some great ballads, classic Dels and new sounds > all of which come together - I can't wait to hear it all live. My favourite > tracks are Wash her Away and Jesus Saves, and I can't get Buttons on my > clothes out of my head. My husband who decalres himself to be NOT a fan > actually asked to listen to 'Drunk in a band' again!!! > > I agree with some of you in that I'm not sure JBYL was a great choice for > first single but the video I think will get a lot of play as it is very > 'now'. > > If there is any justice then this album should do really well, and I assure > you that once you've all got your hands on it the long wait will have been > well worth it. > > Tracy ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #56 *********************************