From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #53 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, March 2 2002 Volume 04 : Number 053 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: New single/video ["Phil Denson" ] OV: Re: Just When You Thought They Couldn't Make A Worse Video ... ["Andr] OV: Dels in Big Write up ["Chris Fleming" ] OV: Another Competition :-) ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: clips and bsides [Alison Bellach ] OV: Video [SngWrite1@aol.com] OV: well, at least.... [Arathas@pratchett-fanclub.de] OV: Sometimes Nothing [Arathas@pratchett-fanclub.de] OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #52 ["Josh Neas" ] Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff ["Kirsten Mayor" Subject: OV: New single/video Doug said crap...HUH, HUH, HUH. I knew CTBF and "Just Before You Leave" is no CTBF! (Audience applauds and laughs feverishly..."Just Before You Leave" turns red-faced and starts to squirm) Bass line, waste line. Bass lines do not sell songs. Video looks like a preschool project...pass the Play-Doh please. ...and the #1 reason record companies can make money off a record/band that will not sell to the mass market... with the release of 100 singles and their step children B-sides, record ex's pad pockets as they watch 500 rabid fans mortgage homes to pay for useless pieces off plastic that wont even fly properly when launched into the air...damn Whammo. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:48:18 -0000 From: "Andrew Douglas" Subject: OV: Re: Just When You Thought They Couldn't Make A Worse Video ... I must say that I actually like the video. Vids like that are quite "hip" now, what with all the Travis, Blur and that "Starlight" song using animated type stuff (I hope you appreciate the technical language that I used in that sentence!). I must say, I'm impressed by the quality of it through my cable modem. I do still think that the song is a bad choice for a single. It'd just about sit well in an album, but it's certainly not the boys at their best. Let's hope the b-sides will be good. Any chance of a studio version of Drowned on Dry Land appearing? Andrew - who's sitting here listening to the song over and over to try and brainwash him into loving it. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "doug brown" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:33 AM Subject: OV: Just When You Thought They Couldn't Make A Worse Video ... > Wow what a complete and utter piece of crap. Who knew > a music video could be so ugly and pointless? They've > outdone themselves this time, I really hope this is > some joke the label is pulling on someone. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:33:26 -0000 From: "Chris Fleming" Subject: OV: Dels in Big Write up Just to drop a note to tell you that in Today's (Fri 1-02-03) Scottish Daily Record ,the Dels have a full centre piece and interview with Justin Currie. My Scanner is not felling well, but I will try and transcript the interview for you all later this weekend. Interesting quotes "if this record sinks without a trace we may find ourselves with no record deal!!" Their is good colour pic of the band and the finger puppets from the video!! ChrisF Drink and be Merry and before you go out Change Everything http://groups.yahoo.com/group/HavenRLFC/ http://mysite.freeserve.com/havenrlfc/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:59:15 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: Another Competition :-) As if we don't give you enough! delamitri.co.uk has teamed up with I Want One Of Those(http://www.iwantoneofthose.com) to give everyone a chance to win a set of inflatable Speakers, yes you heard right, inflatable!!! to celebrate the launch of the new single and album, we have decided to run competitions right up until album launch day, so there will be a few more chances to win yet! Visit the website to enter! Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:28:37 -0800 (PST) From: doug brown Subject: Re: OV: Re: new dels video I could not view it on two of our comps. One is Win XP Pro with the latest real player (RealOne) the other is Win 98SE also with RealOne. So I had to watch and listen to it on Leigh's comp which may have RealPlayer 8. Sorry for all the scratch marks in your desk dear, didn't realize I was clawing at it so forcefully whilst being subjected to the little blue people and bad soul music. Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 09:39:31 -0800 (PST) From: Alison Bellach Subject: OV: clips and bsides hey all, on the front page of www.delamitri.com, you will find: the two vid clips (of course), full audio to "just before you leave", and full audio to both bsides to the single. let me know if you have any probs! a - ------------------------------------------------------------------- Alison Bellach: alibee@delamitri.com http://alibee.linex.com http://www.delamitri.com "If you want peace, work for justice." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:48:24 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: Video I think the video is hilarious. C'mon, pole dancing puppets? What's not to love? I do think the song is a odd choice for a single, since it really doesn't have a big chorus (not much of a chorus at all). But I highly doubt the band chose the single, based on what Justin has said about Mercury's handling of them. It reminds me of what happened on Crowded House's first album, the record company insisted on releasing two other tracks as singles (both of which went un-noticed) before relenting to the band's wishes and releasing "Don't Dream It's Over" as a single. Of course, that became the biggest hit of their career. Let's hope the Dels actually get to release a second single from this album. Dave PS - Doug is sure to love "Belong, Belong" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:20:50 +0100 From: Arathas@pratchett-fanclub.de Subject: OV: well, at least.... .... there IS one good song on the first single, though it's not Just before you leave. And Belong belong is even more crappy. I really love the Dels, and I TRIED to get into the new songs by listening to them over and over and over again. But the new stuff is just computer shite. But - and that's the only good thing - "I'm an unbeliever" is nice. It's not the Dels at their best, but it's listenable. Why do every band need to use computers for their songs? Why can't they just evolve in a better way? (an angry) Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 22:35:28 +0100 From: Arathas@pratchett-fanclub.de Subject: OV: Sometimes Nothing Dave, it seems that my emails don't arrive you. I wrote two mails last friday, but you haven't answered yet. Do you got another email address to contact you? yours, Dirk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 16:49:28 -0500 From: "Josh Neas" Subject: OV: Re: oppositeview-digest V4 #52 >Paul Westerberg, as you may know, was dropped by many a label during >his >career, the last of which was Capital after the release of Suicaine >Gratifaction. He put out a record as Grandpaboy under the Monolith >label, >and then pretty much disappeared off the face of the earth. Ah, hate to be my usual picky self again..*but* (everyone cringes) the Grandpaboy EP was released between his last Reprise record, _Eventually_, and _Suicaine Gratification_, not after the latter. Now that being an arse is out of the way...I too love, love, LOVE _Mono._ It's so rockin' and it's so good. It will be released again with the proper Westerberg album, _Stereo_, on 23rd April as a 2cd set. I'll buy it twice. I don't care. I love it. As someone on the Grandpaboy message board said (and this as much applies to the work that Tommy Stinson has done post-Replacements as it does _Mono_) that it's the best Rolling Stones songs that haven't been written by the Stones in years. It's vintage, crank-it-up, have a blast rock and roll. >Westerberg has what I would call a cult following and never made it >big in >any mainstream markets. He chose the smaller label to put out >his new >stuff (I don't know if he had a choice, really) -- my point is >that there >are options for artists who really want to get their stuff >out in the US. He was also in talks with Epitaph, who as we in the US indie-scene well know, has been a god send recently for rescuing label-less older artists who are still creating amazing music. (Tom Waits and Merle Haggard to be specific) They would've definitely pulled quite a coup by landing Westerberg, but Vagrant is a really solid label and they were even featured on the cover of CMJ (that's the College Music Journal for the UK folks) as the indie label to watch in the coming years. Anyway, 'nuff said. I love Paul Westerberg. He rocks my socks off. josh. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:08:54 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: OV: No Dels Content: Josh Clayton-Felt There is a very favorable review of the new Josh release in The Oregonian's A&E section today. Complete with a nice big photo (which is NOT on the website) If interested, here's the link: http://www.oregonlive.com/music/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/htm l_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/10149009621735364.xml ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:31:14 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: RE: OV: No Dels Content: Josh Clayton-Felt This link is so long, you may need to copy and paste it into your browser; OR just click on "A Spirit Soars" near the bottom. That'll get you there, too. Darren - ---- Original Message ---- From: darren@bendcable.com To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: RE: OV: No Dels Content: Josh Clayton-Felt Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:08:54 -0800 >There is a very favorable review of the new Josh release in The >Oregonian's A&E section today. Complete with a nice big photo (which >is NOT on the website) > >If interested, here's the link: >http://www.oregonlive.com/music/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/ht >m >l_standard.xsl?/base/entertainment/10149009621735364.xml ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:33:11 -0000 From: "Kirsten Mayor" Subject: OV: First listen of the new stuff I'm just having a listen to JBYL. Love Justin's vocals - no surprises there - and, yes, the track has grown on me after a few plays, but, a single??? It's madness... Belong is on now. This is a, er, difference. That's about all I can say about that for the moment. Hmmn, I'm a Believer, eh? Not so sure I will be for too long... I hope to god the rest of the album's better. I don't want to sound like this, but at this time of night it's not done anything for me at all. Night-night. Kirsten ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 12:04:27 +1100 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Michael?= Subject: Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff Just had my first taste as well. I will definately have to listen to JBYL a few more times without the video clip but I think it will grow on me... As for the B-sides...hmmm...I really like IAU, I think it is kind of in the same mould as one of my all time faves, It Might As Well Be You. As for BB, while I am not exactly screaming its praises right now I do have to admire the philosophy of trying to move in a different direction with each new CD. It is incredibly frustrating for me to see bands like Coldplay release complete shit like "Yellow" and receive world wide exposure. Meanwhile Justin and Iain continue to write material that is monumentally superior and they can't even secure a US contract. I don't even want to think about how it makes them feel...that is a whole new world of pain! Yeah there will songs we don't like and maybe some of us may feel let down blah, blah, blah but while we are investing our time, interest and occassionally money to support the band, they have invested a rather large part of their lives for what has been somewhat stunted success...though certainly through no lack of talent. I have to applaud their moves to try and broaden their audience instead of lazily rolling out the same cloned formula with each new record. If having to put up with one CD that I may not quite like as much for the sake of letting them begin to get the recognition they deserve is a pretty easy sacrifice. They we will all be able to say how we knew them when... ===== Take care, Michael:) Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away! http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies - - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:38:26 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Chris=20Quartly?= Subject: Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff I neeeeeeed to listen to some new dels, but I want to listen to it on my home stereo rather tha some crappy internet connection so I'm waiting. So far the feedback hasn't been great but god damn I hope the release some real rockers, maybe now Justin's off the heroin he can write some really cool rock songs. Here's hoping the new album is good! Cheers Chris --- Michael wrote: > Just had my first taste as well. > > I will definately have to listen to JBYL a few more > times without the video clip but I think it will > grow > on me... > > As for the B-sides...hmmm...I really like IAU, I > think > it is kind of in the same mould as one of my all > time > faves, It Might As Well Be You. > > As for BB, while I am not exactly screaming its > praises right now I do have to admire the philosophy > of trying to move in a different direction with each > new CD. > > It is incredibly frustrating for me to see bands > like > Coldplay release complete shit like "Yellow" and > receive world wide exposure. Meanwhile Justin and > Iain > continue to write material that is monumentally > superior and they can't even secure a US contract. I > don't even want to think about how it makes them > feel...that is a whole new world of pain! > > Yeah there will songs we don't like and maybe some > of > us may feel let down blah, blah, blah but while we > are > investing our time, interest and occassionally money > to support the band, they have invested a rather > large > part of their lives for what has been somewhat > stunted > success...though certainly through no lack of > talent. > > I have to applaud their moves to try and broaden > their > audience instead of lazily rolling out the same > cloned > formula with each new record. If having to put up > with > one CD that I may not quite like as much for the > sake > of letting them begin to get the recognition they > deserve is a pretty easy sacrifice. They we will all > be able to say how we knew them when... > > > > > > > ===== > Take care, > > Michael:) > > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we > take but by the moments that take our breath away! > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:49:21 -0800 From: Kristy McDonald Subject: OV: New Vid While the song is indeed not made of first release greatness, I LOOOOVVVEE the video! This is worthy of many awards - the likes of which we haven't seen since 86's MTV Video Music Awards where Dire Straits and a-ha walked away with an armful of hardware! No matter what I think of the single, it's certainly made me curious to hear the rest of the CD. Was this a "Commissioner" track? Did anyone catch the headline on the BACK of the paper - Del Amitri something something . . . the image was fuzzy on my computer. Do tell if you caught it! Kristy in Canada ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 08:04:29 -0000 From: "Kirsten Mayor" Subject: Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff Morning everyone! Don't get me wrong, I'll still be supporting them 100%, regardless of what I think when the album comes out because their previous stuff has always fantastic. I'm amazed that they might have done something that I don't like - but then, I've only heard it on an internet connection, late at night, and not enough times to really register whether I'm going to love it or hate it! Kirsten - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael" To: "Kirsten Mayor" ; "Dels" Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 1:04 AM Subject: Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff > Just had my first taste as well. > > I will definately have to listen to JBYL a few more > times without the video clip but I think it will grow > on me... > > As for the B-sides...hmmm...I really like IAU, I think > it is kind of in the same mould as one of my all time > faves, It Might As Well Be You. > > As for BB, while I am not exactly screaming its > praises right now I do have to admire the philosophy > of trying to move in a different direction with each > new CD. > > It is incredibly frustrating for me to see bands like > Coldplay release complete shit like "Yellow" and > receive world wide exposure. Meanwhile Justin and Iain > continue to write material that is monumentally > superior and they can't even secure a US contract. I > don't even want to think about how it makes them > feel...that is a whole new world of pain! > > Yeah there will songs we don't like and maybe some of > us may feel let down blah, blah, blah but while we are > investing our time, interest and occassionally money > to support the band, they have invested a rather large > part of their lives for what has been somewhat stunted > success...though certainly through no lack of talent. > > I have to applaud their moves to try and broaden their > audience instead of lazily rolling out the same cloned > formula with each new record. If having to put up with > one CD that I may not quite like as much for the sake > of letting them begin to get the recognition they > deserve is a pretty easy sacrifice. They we will all > be able to say how we knew them when... > > > > > > > ===== > Take care, > > Michael:) > > Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take but by the moments that take our breath away! > > http://movies.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Movies > - Vote for your nominees in our online Oscars pool. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: First listen of the new stuff - --- Michael wrote: > I have to applaud their moves to try and broaden > their > audience instead of lazily rolling out the same > cloned > formula with each new record. If having to put up > with > one CD that I may not quite like as much for the > sake > of letting them begin to get the recognition they > deserve is a pretty easy sacrifice. They we will all > be able to say how we knew them when... > > ===== > Take care, > > Michael:) I have to agree with you...to a point. As long as they're doing what THEY want and not just changing with the times to appease an audience they don't have, yet. You know, the whole counting the chickens before they've hatched sort of thing. Oh, and I already claim the right to say "I knew them when..." :-) I don't need to see their name in big bright lights, on MTV, at the top of the charts, on all the talk shows, etc. to know they're true gems. I've known it for years, too. Back when I met Justin for the first time, they (they being Justin, Iain and Andy) were supporting the release of "Change Everything" and while I was talking to Justin a girl came up to get his autograph "for when they got famous" to which I replied, "enjoy it now!" That being said, though, they do deserve to be recognized for their talents in any way they'd like, if that's even what they want. Some musicians just want to be able to keep making a living at making the music they love. I would just hate for them to get burned out trying to appeal to the masses if that means making music they don't really have their hearts in anymore. They've got to please themselves first and foremost, don'tcha think? For all we know they had an absolute blast playing around with all the gadgetry used to make this new and different album. More power to 'em I say...well, unless it means they're going to start wearing those ridiculous "fly" sunglasses Bono can't seem to get past. LOL Have a great weekend, debbie Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #53 *********************************