From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V4 #30 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Wednesday, February 6 2002 Volume 04 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: long time no speak [AHutch2074@aol.com] OV: Tour dates ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: IMPORTANT INFORMATION ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: first listen of new material [AHutch2074@aol.com] OV: Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION ["Hilary Gray" ] OV: I can't get no... release? [SngWrite1@aol.com] RE: OV: I can't get no... release? [darren@bendcable.com] RE: OV: I can't get no... release? ["Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: Tour dates Just to let you all know, we should be getting confirmed tour dates through in the next few days. Also start watching your MTV, the new video will be making it's debut in the coming weeks, followed by it being streamed through the official sites. Finally, Delfan members can now download the new Del Amitri Desktop wallpaper, available in different screen sizes. Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 22:42:22 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: IMPORTANT INFORMATION Some of you may know that a promo copy of the new album being auctioned on Ebay was withdrawn in the past day. This was due to the band and the managements/record company action and is a sign of the stance that will be taken to ANY unauthorised use of promo copies or other black market reproductions of it. FYI, promo copies of albums are designed to enable the media to review the album and NOT for general public release. Action WILL BE TAKEN against the person(s) selling/auctioning copies/pirates of the forthcoming album. No messing! If you are a member of this group, you are obviously a Del Amitri fan and also understandably dying to hear it. But when black market copies get passed around it's only the band that you love that lose out. Please do one thing for the band, DO NOT BUY THESE COPIES/PROMOS. I know the urge might be too great, but it's only a few months more waiting. Why rob yourselves of hundreds of $/# AND THE BAND when you can get it fully packaged, and help the chart position at the same time! Please, do this for the band and they can continue to bring you the best music money can buy, and lots of free stuff through the website (but I'm not saying anymore till you promise!) If you see an unofficial copy being sold, please let me know. I will personally, not the band or management, make it worth your while, that's how much Del Amitri means to me! Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 17:57:40 EST From: AHutch2074@aol.com Subject: OV: first listen of new material has anyone been treated to a sneak listen of the new album yet? andy hutchinson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:20:24 -0000 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: OV: Re: IMPORTANT INFORMATION HMV are listing the new album at http://www.hmv.co.uk/ as being 'title unconfirmed' and released on 18th March (?) for #13.99. They are taking pre-orders. The other major UK online shops (Virgin, Amazon) don't list it yet. Hilary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 18:52:24 EST From: SngWrite1@aol.com Subject: OV: I can't get no... release? Funny that for a record that was partially recorded and mixed in the United States, there seems to be no mention of a US release for this album. Why is this? Is someone at Interscope/Island/Def Jam/Mercury/Jiffy Peanut Butter/AT& T forgetting the hordes of rabid American Del Amitri fans? More likely they don't care. I love this band, but I tell you what - I'm not buying 2 copies of this new record. If they announce a US release that is close to the UK release I'll wait for the US version. But I'm not spending money on an import and then buying another copy when it's released in the US. Why? Because the record company will get my money once and that's enough. I know this will mean lower sales in the US - but let's be honest, if it's a concern to them, then they should release it here at the same time or VERY soon after. The UK gets the singles (and the b-sides), the UK gets the videos, the UK gets the album first (and maybe last too!). If they would at least get a US date ironed out I'd be happy. Neil Finn finally gets a deal with a US record company after his solo album has been out for a year. To get fans (who most likely bought the import already) to buy it, they are changing the title, the packaging, and adding two songs (here's the catch, they delete 2 others - so you'll want to keep the import!). But first the record company is putting out the live CD & DVD that he put out a month or two ago in the UK. So I'm glad I waited before buying the import of that. The rising success in the US of song based performers (Pete Yorn, David Gray, John Mayer) should mean that NOW is the time to get the record out over here. The iron is hot, people are more receptive to music that doesn't insult their intelligence. C'mon boys! Give the suits a kick and tell them to get moving. THE UNITED STATES WANTS DEL AMITRI! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:20:47 -0800 From: darren@bendcable.com Subject: RE: OV: I can't get no... release? Well said, Dave. I was beginning to think the record company was getting it together, by allowing the Christmas tune, and the SOSP video on the websites. I'm thinking it may have been the band's doing, and not the record company, though. Because, let's face it. If Justin was denied the offical "OK" to put the song on the websites, he could have done some well thought out "leaks" of the tune, and it would have made it around to all the right folks. :) (Who says the white house is the only people who know how to "leak" things??) Their record company has a US arm, I'm sure the new record will find a release here in the US. "Hatful of Rain" did, and that was after the A&M crumble. Even though the disc still said A&M on it. (I can only assume their logo was there because that was the label the tracks originally came out on.) As for Kevin's email regarding the selling of promos. I understand, and agree to a point. But the fact is, that it's the MEDIA that dump these discs to used cd brokers for cash. If you can only get promos from the record company, maybe the record company should be more careful as to who they send copies to. Just a thought. The cost of promo copies DOES come out of the artists pocket (if I remember correctly), so the band DOES lose money on promos. But, I don't know a single Del Amitri fan who will keep a promo copy that comes in a paper sleeve, and NOT go out and buy a retail copy when it's released. I, myself, intend to have a promo copy (someday), a consumer copy, Australian copy, German copy, Japanese copy, you get the point... :) eBay is just capitalism at its peak. And, I don't fault it. Interscope/Mercury/Seagrams/Jiffy Pop/AT&T etc have EVERY right to stop the auction of one its promo discs. I have absolutely no problem with that. And, I applaud it. You've got to take care of your business, and your product, how you see fit. Okay, that's the end of my rant... :) Darren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 07:31:08 -0000 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: RE: OV: I can't get no... release? Darren > If you can only get promos > from the record company, maybe the record company should be more > careful as to who they send copies to. Just a thought. I agree totally, all it takes is "a man who knows a man" and you've got yourself a broken arrow. > But, I don't know a single Del Amitri fan who will > keep a promo copy that comes in a paper sleeve, and NOT go > out and buy a retail copy when it's released. Again, Darren I think you are absolutely correct. It's all part of getting the full collection we all crave. promo dealing after release is fine and dandy, but before release can be damaging, especially if it were misused on the black market, including MP3s. This album is a different release from the last one, there wasn't such a threat of MP3 and just about every user having access to CD writers, so I guess they have to protect the product in ways that may seem small, like promos, but in fact have an overall bigger impact. I know the general feeling will be "If I see one, I'm buying it!", sure who wouldn't. damn I'd even say you would be daft to miss out on it, it's a great album. But I look at it as that is money that could have gone to the band to help them smoke dope all day and drink themselves into an artistic slumber. Ok, maybe that isn't doing them any favours :-) But it will help get a good foot in the door for the next album! And that benefits all of us! Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster - The Official Del Amitri Website UK http://www.delamitri.co.uk - ------------------------------------------------------ This message and any attachment has been virus checked - ------------------------------------------------------ > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org] On Behalf Of darren@bendcable.com > Sent: 06 February 2002 00:21 > To: SngWrite1@aol.com; oppositeview@smoe.org > Subject: RE: OV: I can't get no... release? > > > Well said, Dave. > > I was beginning to think the record company was getting it > together, by allowing the Christmas tune, and the SOSP video > on the websites. > I'm thinking it may have been the band's doing, and not the > record company, though. Because, let's face it. If Justin > was denied the offical "OK" to put the song on the websites, > he could have done some well thought out "leaks" of the tune, > and it would have made it around to all the right folks. :) > (Who says the white house is the only people who know how to > "leak" things??) > > Their record company has a US arm, I'm sure the new record > will find a release here in the US. "Hatful of Rain" did, > and that was after the A&M crumble. Even though the disc > still said A&M on it. (I can only assume their logo was there > because that was the label the tracks originally came out on.) > > As for Kevin's email regarding the selling of promos. I > understand, and agree to a point. But the fact is, that it's > the MEDIA that dump these discs to used cd brokers for cash. > If you can only get promos > from the record company, maybe the record company should be more > careful as to who they send copies to. Just a thought. > > The cost of promo copies DOES come out of the artists pocket > (if I remember correctly), so the band DOES lose money on > promos. But, I don't know a single Del Amitri fan who will > keep a promo copy that comes in a paper sleeve, and NOT go > out and buy a retail copy when it's released. I, myself, > intend to have a promo copy (someday), a consumer copy, > Australian copy, German copy, Japanese copy, you get the point... :) > > eBay is just capitalism at its peak. And, I don't fault it. > Interscope/Mercury/Seagrams/Jiffy Pop/AT&T etc have EVERY > right to stop the auction of one its promo discs. I have > absolutely no problem with that. And, I applaud it. You've > got to take care of your business, and your product, how you see fit. > > Okay, that's the end of my rant... :) > > Darren ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 08:30:12 -0000 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: Re: OV: I can't get no... release? > But, I > don't know a single Del Amitri fan who will keep a promo copy that > comes in a paper sleeve, and NOT go out and buy a retail copy when > it's released. I, myself, intend to have a promo copy (someday), a > consumer copy, Australian copy, German copy, Japanese copy, you get > the point... :) Me too! And quite a few more of us I know.... And people don't have to pay high import prices these days. It's much cheaper to order the CD direct from the country of issue. Granted, UK CD prices are higher than in the US but postage is less and it still works out cheaper to order from amazon.co.uk or hmv.co.uk than to buy it as an import from amazon.com. Plus it helps chart position, and if the CD sells well in the UK then a worldwide release, and tour, will be sooner rather than later. (I hope!) Plus for those of you who don't have a credit card or don't like ordering on-line, there are a few of us who would be more than happy to buy you a copy of the single/album and send it over in exchange for hard cash (and if we buy them during the first week of release we can probably get them cheaper! I could do with some US Dollars in cash, as we're bringing the family over to Florida in June for a holiday. What's the betting the UK tour will be those two weeks in June!!! If anyone wants a copy please email me off list. Jane Jane ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V4 #30 *********************************