From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #235 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Saturday, September 22 2001 Volume 03 : Number 235 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: www.delamitri.co.uk related ["michelle.schermesser" ] OV: RE: Never pass up a chance to share a little WB Yeats... [Caroline Ga] OV: OT: 9.11.01 [Shevale@aol.com] OV: RE: Never pass up a chance to share a little WB Yeats... [Wonderwoman] OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) [Shevale@aol.com] Re: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) [Moer4472@aol.com] OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) [Wonderwoman681@aol.com] Re: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) [Debbie Cushing Subject: OV: www.delamitri.co.uk related Hi everyone, Does anyone know if www.delamitri.co.uk has been relaunched ? My computer screen does simply not display the page properly. Which means , half of the text is onlu displayed and then my screen gets frozen and nothing (ever) happens for the nex 10 minutes. I've tried to contact Kevin and company through Alison's discussion board, (that was on Monday) and I'm still waiting for a answer. That's I'm trying now this way. Thanks for any help I could get, A Del Fan Michelle S XXX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:35:13 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: www.delamitri.co.uk related Michelle and anyone else having problems, There's currently a screen up on the co.uk site which uses Macromedia Flash. If your PC's not set up for it, that could be why you're having problems. You can download the latest version free at http://www.macromedia.com/software/flashplayer/ When you open the site, you should get animated news of Iain's baby and the album details, then it will go into an animation starting something like "You've waited such a long time...." Kevin is currently away on a well-deserved holiday, which is why he's not contacted you. The current plan is to launch the site early in October, once testing is complete and any minor bugs we may find have been sorted. Cheers Jane > Does anyone know if www.delamitri.co.uk has been relaunched ? > > My computer screen does simply not display the page properly. Which means , > half of the text is onlu displayed and then my screen gets frozen and > nothing (ever) happens for the nex 10 minutes. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 11:26:26 +0100 From: Caroline Gallagher Subject: OV: RE: www.delamitri.co.uk related I am having the same problem myself?! Would be grateful for any help. Thanks from a very quiet Del Fan! - -----Original Message----- From: michelle.schermesser [mailto:michelle.schermesser@usitmail.com] Sent: 21 September 2001 11:18 To: Opposite View - Darren's list Subject: OV: www.delamitri.co.uk related Hi everyone, Does anyone know if www.delamitri.co.uk has been relaunched ? My computer screen does simply not display the page properly. Which means , half of the text is onlu displayed and then my screen gets frozen and nothing (ever) happens for the nex 10 minutes. I've tried to contact Kevin and company through Alison's discussion board, (that was on Monday) and I'm still waiting for a answer. That's I'm trying now this way. Thanks for any help I could get, A Del Fan Michelle S XXX ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. In accordance with Inmarsat Information Security Policy and Guidelines on Computer use, emails sent or received may be monitored. Inmarsat Limited 99 City Road London EC1Y 1AX. Registered in England and Wales No. 3675885 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: 21 Sep 2001 19:31:26 -0000 From: "Dels Rock" Subject: OV: Songs Banned From Play ? On Fri, 21 Sep 2001 12:26:33 -0700 > >** Radio group cautions on song play ** >Songs that were purportedly considered off-limits, according to various Web sites, include "TNT," "Highway to Hell" and "Leavin on a Jet Plane," among many others. > >http://www.msnbc.com/modules/exports/ct_email.asp?/news/630738.asp > >______________________________________________________________________ >Check out the hour's top stories on MSNBC.com > >MSNBC does not confirm the E-mail address of the sender of this MSNBC News Link. For your information, the sender's IP Address is: 216.163.143.130 > Interested in Scotland? Visit http://www.scotland.com today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 16:20:00 +0100 From: Caroline Gallagher Subject: OV: RE: Never pass up a chance to share a little WB Yeats... Just wanted to try and light up your weekend and let you know that a very scared del fan is jumping 12,500ft on sunday in the name of charity! Cancer Relief will hopefully gain a few pounds on sunday when 43 colleagues and myself do a charity parachute jump. Hope to read all your emails next week with both legs intack!! Caroline - -----Original Message----- From: Leah Schenkenberg [mailto:qualinestiprincess@juno.com] Sent: 16 September 2001 04:01 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Never pass up a chance to share a little WB Yeats... The post about Sting from Jane prompted me to reread the lyrics to Fragile... And also to send out part of my favorite piece of literature... Turning and turning in the widening gyre The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world, The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity. From "The Second Coming" WB Yeats, 1922 Full poem here (which is only one more stanza), well worth the read: http://www.crocker.com/~lwm/second.html ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. In accordance with Inmarsat Information Security Policy and Guidelines on Computer use, emails sent or received may be monitored. Inmarsat Limited 99 City Road London EC1Y 1AX. Registered in England and Wales No. 3675885 ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:24:47 EDT From: Shevale@aol.com Subject: OV: OT: 9.11.01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 19:28:53 EDT From: Wonderwoman681@aol.com Subject: OV: RE: Never pass up a chance to share a little WB Yeats... Caroline, Good luck on you jump , you are a very brave woman ! take care . Anjule Just wanted to try and light up your weekend and let you know that a very scared del fan is jumping 12,500ft on sunday in the name of charity! Cancer Relief will hopefully gain a few pounds on sunday when 43 colleagues and myself do a charity parachute jump. Hope to read all your emails next week with both legs intack!! Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 20:02:01 EDT From: Shevale@aol.com Subject: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) Thank you all so much for your good thoughts and prayers. On Tuesday morning, I had gone to the polls early to vote for my choices for the democratic ticket in the upcoming local elections. One of my neighbors then drove me to the Staten Island Ferry. When I got there, I heard some people talking about the "tower is on fire." After I got my coffee, I went outside to get to the lower part of the ferry, and looked over the harbor. One of the WTC towers was emitting charcoal-colored smoke. It looked like a chimney blowing it's coal smoke. No one seemed to know how this fire had started. I made my way to the Ferry, walked along the lower level to the front of the boat, and continued to watch the tower smoke. I was on my way to a hearing in Brooklyn and had some papers to review, but my attention was riveted to the candlestick across the water. And, then, boom: a fireball from the second tower. I don't remember too much after that. People screaming and running. Coffee and juice being dropped all around me. I was stunned. My hand still held my coffee, but it was shaking so badly that my jacket sleeve was soaked. I must have turned around and walked off the boat, but I don't really remember doing that. I do remember that as I was walking onto the slip dock, a man grabbed my shoulder and turned me to him. He asked me if I was going to go to work. "I have to get to my job and I don't know what to do. What are you going to do?" he said. I remember telling him, "That plane flying into the tower was no accident. It was a missile heading to a target. My life is more important than my job. I'm going home." He told me I was "right" and that he'd go home, too. I don't remember the walk home from the ferry, at all. I do remember getting to my complex. I live in a community that is right alongside the water, abutting NY Bay. When I got home, people were standing along the promenade, looking over at the towers burning. Someone came over and held my arm. He pried my coffee cup out of my hands. It was empty, having spilled all over my jacket sleeve, jacket, and probably leaving a trail of coffee away from the ferry terminal. I took the elevator upstairs, opened my door, and started to sob in a way that I can't recall having done in the past ten years. Not even when I'd gotten some pretty upsetting medical news. Not even when my grandparents died. I think the last time I cried like that was when my 28 year old boyfriend died suddenly, February 1990. Crying, I made my way into my living room and turned on the television. What did we do before we had round-the-clock news coverage? I took my camera out to my balcony and started to snap pictures. It was sick and morbid, but I felt like I had to personally capture the evidence of what was happening. Some of my neighbors whose apartments do not afford them a view of the city skyline and the harbor came over. We drank coffee laced with whiskey, stared at each other, and seemed to take turns crying. The phone lines were dead. I couldn't reach my folks. My dad had been working on Varick Street, two blocks away from the WTC. My brother works at Kennedy Airport. My mom works at Newark Airport. My cousin works at the WTC. The husband of one of my best friends works at the WTC. I couldn't find out if everyone was OK. I was frantic, but calm in what I guess is a shell-shocked sort of way. And, then, while we were standing and watching, one of the towers collapsed. Suddenly, it wasn't there, and in its place was a billowing column of black smoke. A collective moan echoed over the complex parking lot from the spectators on the street above. I cried and kept taking pictures. And, of course, the second tower then fell. The Manhattan skyline was completely obscured by smoke. It was almost beautiful: the shades of ephemeral white, gray, and black, that overtook the solid mass of NYC in an almost balletic way. Except that it was a vision of evil and what evil is capable of. One by one, my family and friends checked in. Taire called from California. Thank you so much for that. For taking the time to talk to me, and not seem to mind too much my lunatic babble. One of my neighbors is missing. Everyone close to me is, thank G-d, safe. There are a lot of "I was running late for work...." stories. My cousin, Masako, who works for Fuji Bank, is physically OK, but I think that the emotional effects of her story will take a long time to heal. Masako was supposed to be at an 8 am meeting at Fuji, on the 79th floor of the first tower. She was running late. The subway stood in the tunnel, two stops away from the WTC, for almost 20 minutes. At about 8:45, the train pulled into the WTC stop and Masako stepped out of the subway station onto the street. She spotted a co-worker who was standing there, looking up. Masako looked up and saw her building on fire. While she spoke with her co-worker about whether or not to try to go work, and whether anyone else was on the street, the second plane hit. They started to look around the WTC plaza and the adjacent streets for any of their friends and coworkers. A body fell in front of Masako and exploded. The tower started to collapse and all of a sudden, she says, it was raining bodies and body parts. She and her friend ran and ran. She says she can't get the sound that the body makes when it hits the pavement out of her head. She's had to be sedated most of the past ten days. And, she's one of the l ucky ones! One of my friends is missing his nephew and his cousin. The nephew is an army trained combat medic. He works as a court officer in the nearby courthouse, and ran over as soon as he heard about what was happening. He went into the tower and was going into the basement. That's the last time he was seen, moments before the building collapsed. He's 26 and was just married this past June. There are probably fifty thousand stories, squared. I don't know one NYer who doesn't know someone who is missing. I suspect that the same is true all over the world, with globalization and the internet. I can't tell you how much I've appreciated reading your good wishes, though. I've spent the better part of my Friday evening in this cyber cafe (I've had no access to my e-mail since 9.10), laughing and crying, and just wanting to hug everyone who cared. (I realized on Wednesday that I hadn't laughed once since the 11th). I've been able to laugh, though, the last couple of days. I apologize for this very long (and likely, badly composed), off topic, ramble about the recent events. To all of you who are Jewish: Shana Tovah ve Hatimah Tovah. To all of you: thank you so much. Sherry Bokser ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 21:55:36 EDT From: Moer4472@aol.com Subject: Re: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) Sherry, Wow. The story of your horrific experiences on *that day* is ....... I don't know how to say what I want to say, while I am listening to "Imagine" an the telethon and reading your post, it seems to come even closer to home. Thank you for your courage, being able to talk about it, not just shutting it all out. I am glas we could be there for you to "Let it out" when you needed to. God Bless You. Good wishes, Maureen in West Virginia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 03:08:36 EDT From: Wonderwoman681@aol.com Subject: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) Sherry, I must say it was chilling, yet very informative to hear of your experience with the tragedy. I am sorry for everything that you & your loved ones have gone through & although that sounds so cliche I really & truly am. Thank you for sharing, I know that i have a completly different outlook on the whole thing now, I was fortunate enough not to know anybody that was closley involved with the wtc attacks. Take care, All my love. - -Anjule ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2001 00:43:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: OT: 9.11.01 (It's long, feel free to scroll) First off, let me apologize...I'm feeling so many emotions right now that I just have to get out, so forgive me. Delete now if it bothers you in any way, but this group has been so wonderful that I feel comfortable sharing my feelings with you, my friends. Sherry, thank you so much for sharing your story. I never tire of hearing how the people of New York and the world have been affected. I'm here for any of you that need an ear or a shoulder. I find myself crying about the sadness of it all every single day...and I don't even personally know anyone that's missing or dead. I did worry about a friend in Boston, though, who could have very easily have been on one of those flights and I continue to worry about a friend in India, who is too close to the terrorists' home lands. I know it must be a thousand times worse for you, Sherry, and your fellow New Yorkers, but know that there are millions, literally hundreds of millions that feel your pain, suffering, and shock. I sleep with the TV on and woke up to the news...woke up quite abruptly. I couldn't believe what I was hearing and seeing. It was frightening and surreal. I know I've shared many of my thoughts with several of my friends, family, and Internet friends in e-mail groups and message boards. I think it's good to talk about it and know that friends around the world are concerned for us, care for us, and are willing to support us in our time of sorrow and our great resolve to bring the guilty to justice. I'm lucky for so many reasons. One of which is that I've found what my family and friends stand for. I've found that most are loving, decent human beings who really do care for the well being of others. I've found that my love for people of all walks of life has not wavered. I feel blessed with an abundance of love. Unfortunately, I've found that my best friend's boyfriend is apparently one of those sad, mistaken, ignorant human beings that feel justified in blaming the actions of a few on the heads of the many innocent Muslims worldwide that grieve for us and with us as some have indeed lost their own friends and family members...some that were in no way, shape, or form involved in the horrific deeds. I've seen the result of ugly, uninformed, blind, misguided anger & hate. One such individual (or group of individuals) saw fit to riddle a mosque in the town I grew up in, a mere 20 minute drive away, with bullets. Luckily, the cowards that did this did so at night when no one was there. There are children who go to school there. I saw an interview with some of these children. It saddened me greatly (and still does) that these children can't walk in their own neighborhoods because they say people look at them "funny." One girl touched me to the very bottom of my heart and I think about her and pray for her every day. She couldn't have been more than about 8 or 9 and she said: "everybody hates me." What kind of society are we living in that a child could be made to feel this way. No child should have to endure that...not a Muslim, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, Sikh, or any of the other religious or cultural affiliations. I wanted to just hug that little girl and let her know that I love her and that many people in the world of all faiths love her. I will never forget her. It really saddens me because I love my best friend like a sister and hate to see her vowing to spend her life with the insufferable fool that is her boyfriend. I don't even know if she knows of his insensitive and inappropriate comment to me, or if I should even tell her. He's a 51 year old Jew from New York who should be old enough and wise enough to know better. As a member of a group that was also unconscionably and horrifically vilified and persecuted, he really should know better. It breaks my heart. I wish I could say that his ugliness started with and were a result of the events that took place last week, but I'd already gotten into it with him over "Paki bashing" earlier this year. It would be easy for me to just follow suit and blame his attitude on his ethnic/religious group, but I know better. I don't know how long his family has been here in America, but the latest arrivals in my family tree were over 150 years ago, and many came much earlier, heck, some were here long before the Europeans arrived. I value, and I believe that my ancestors fought for and valued their religious freedom that comes from being American. It was the reason many, if not all, of my non-Native American ancestors came to America. It really makes me sad that what should be a time of religious celebration has been overshadowed by the depressing events of the last week and a half. It makes me sad that little Louis had to come into the world at such a rotten time and such an unfortunate day. What should have been a joyful celebration must have been twinged with a bit of sadness, too, because of the events of the day. Iain & Madeline must have felt a bit cheated out of the only feeling they should have had that day...pure bliss, outright joy. I can only hope that they continue to get great heaping scoops of love and happiness with and for little Louis. I know it was happy, hopeful news to me. I think we've been given a chance to make the world a better place. We've got to. We have to do it for Louis. We have to do it for you, Sherry, and your family, friends, and neighbors, as well as the millions that have been personally affected. We have to do it for all of us. God bless us all, debbie ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #235 **********************************