From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #227 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 03 : Number 227 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Re: surreal [] OV: Re: tragedy ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: Heh whats this? [doug brown ] OV: AW: oppositeview-digest V3 #226 ["Hoeger, Tanja" ] Re: OV: Is everyone ok? [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: Re: tragedy [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: No Subject [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: everyone okay? ["Josh Neas" ] OV: Re: AW: oppositeview-digest V3 #226 ["BarbaraLafferty" ] OV: RE: Heh whats this? ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: WorldTC/P ["Reid and Susan Gardner" ] OV: OT Sting tribute ["Jane Armstrong" ] OV: good news in the midst [Alison Bellach ] Re: OV: Heh whats this? [Debbie Cushing ] Re: OV: good news in the midst [Darren Holmquist ] OV: RE: good news in the midst ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] Re: OV: good news in the midst [Darren Holmquist ] Re: OV: good news in the midst [Espen Kvalheim ] OV: Good news in the midst of tragedy [Hopping James W Subject: OV: Re: surreal Hi everyone, I am a Del Amitri fan from Los Angeles, CA, and this is a note that I wrote to my brother yesterday morning. Yes, it was quite surreal to be here wondering if the missing plane was headed to Los Angeles, as I live about 1 mile (I forget what that is in km - sorry) away from the Los Angeles International Airport. I hope this helps some of you from other lands to see what we're dealing with. Thank you so much for your well wishes and condolences. Lets just make sure to keep the victims and their families in our hearts while we deal with this complete and utter travesty. Thank God we got some news about the new album to put some cheer into this miserable day. Scott - ---------------------- Forwarded by Scott Cromie/US/MCS/PwC on 09/12/2001 06:02 AM --------------------------- Scott Cromie 09/11/2001 09:40 AM To: Michael Cromie @ INTL cc: Subject: Re: surreal (Document link: Scott Cromie) Mike, This is absolutely unbelievable. I wish I could express in words the frustration and sorrow I feel right now, but it is an absolute disaster. America is under attack. They are calling this worse than Pearl Harbor. The twin towers in NYC are destroyed. They crashed a plane into the Pentagon. Thousands of lives have been lost. The planes were travelling to Los Angeles. Right now there is one plane which they have no idea where it is. I've also heard that Philly was hit or attempted to be hit as well.... Once we determine who did this, we will be at war. That is clear from everything I'm hearing on the news. I hope that this is the last of the attacks, but to be honest with you, I can't believe that it will be, and being so close to a huge strategic target, I am quite nervous as to what may happen in Los Angeles. So, I just ask that you keep us in your prayers and I will keep you updated as much as I possibly can. This is so sad. I almost want to turn off the T.V. 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Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:41:15 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: Re: tragedy Darren > Just knowing that she could have been there today, if she still worked > there, is affecting me emensely. I can't imagine seeing those pictures, > knowing someone you knew or loved was in the building. > Some of the stories I've been hearing from another list are heartbreaking. One friend mailed me to say that a woman I met was on the 78th floor of Tower Two when the plane crashed into that floor. She was on the opposite side of the building, and miraculously got out without too much physical damaage, but I can't even begin to comprehend what she must be going through right now. Another lady on the same list is waiting for news of her husband who worked there. She doesn't know where to turn. Another said three of her neighbours had husbands there, and others watched it happen in front of their eyes. What can anyone possibly say to these people? The whole world is in a state of shock. It affects us all as well - as there were people from all nationalities in that building. They've just been interviewing a British survior from the 58th floor. I couldn't even listen to music for comfort - until I heard "Let It Be" on the radio. It just seemed the right song to play - but I nearly crashed the car, I was crying so much. No-one will ever forget 11 September 2001. Jane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 08:16:57 -0700 (PDT) From: doug brown Subject: OV: Heh whats this? Whoever it is they're fast. I voted in the poll but since I no hablo espanol I hope I didn't vote to get a closeup of Justin's caterpillar on the cover or something. http://members.tripod.com/perelluis/ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:35:44 +0200 From: "Hoeger, Tanja" Subject: OV: AW: oppositeview-digest V3 #226 Hello everybody, I'm from germany. A friend of mine called me at 3 pm and told me that a plane crashed in the WTC. At first I thought it was a joke and I don't mind about it. Then I heard about the Pentagon and I tried to get in the www but there was no chance. Then I called our colleagues in Philadelphia and they told me that both towers are collapsed. They should have a presentation today in N.Y.. Thanks God, that they didn't have arrived yesterday in Manhattan. I went home immediately and turned on my TV and the pictures I saw on CNN were horrible. It was a great shock to see this and it was absolutly unbelievable. I hope everyone is okay. Tanja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 11:48:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Is everyone ok? I hope none of us lost anyone to this tragedy. I don't know how many of us here are personally affected by this, but I was concerned that a friend of mine in Boston could have very likely been on one of those flights. She e-mailed me last night, so I know she's ok. She is an FBI Agent, though, and has been called to help New York, which is not surprising in the least. I just told her to be careful out there and nab those bastards! Stay safe, debbie - --- cgonzalezruiz wrote: > I know this has nothing to do with DA etc, but is > the American side of > this list ok? I've just been watching the news and > am totally in shock, > I just let out a scream when I saw those images of > WTC collapsing. This > is the craziest thing I have seen in my life, and I > sincerely hope > everyone's fine. > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Consigue tu e-mail gratuito TERRA.ES > Haz clic en http://www.terra.es/correo/ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:19:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Re: tragedy Just in case anyone needs it, a friend of mine has compiled the following information: I normally hate those "pass it on" emails, but this time, I think it's entirely justified. Just in case you or someone you know needs this information, I've combined a couple of emails. First, there's this: I'm Okay Message Center The National "I'm Okay" Bulletin Board allows you to post your name and location, informing friends and family that you are safe. You can also email them a brief personal message. http://okay.prodigy.net/ Also, for blood donation info in the DFW area: http://www.carterbloodcare.org/Blood/donor_centers.asp and then, there's this: > If you have friends or relatives who are unaccounted > for, here are some contact numbers -- > > World Trade Center businesses: > Emergency number for Morgan Stanley: 1-888-883-4391 > > Pentagon personnel: > Pentagon employees only are asked to check in by > calling 1-877-663-6772 > > > United Airlines > US: 1 800 932 8555 > The Netherlands: 020504051 > Germany: 06966985407 > Italy: 024829813 > Belgium: 027133646 > France: 0169199659 > UK Foreign Office: 020 7008 0000 > > American Airlines, US: 1-800-245-0999 > St. Vincent's Hospital in Manhattan reports that > they've had to turn away droves of New Yorkers > wishing to give blood. However, you can discover > where to donate in your area by accessing > http://www.redcross.org or 1-800-GIVE-LIFE. Type "O" > blood is most needed, and Manhattan hospitals > overall request that donors go to outlying hospitals > that can then transfer to the most-needed centers. - --- Jane Armstrong wrote: > Just heard that a friend from another list has a > husband who was working in > the WTC. She's not heard from him, and doesn't know > who to call or how to > find information. > > It's just terrible. The worst day ever. > > Jane Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 12:38:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: No Subject I agree. For the most part, that's true of most artists, though. I find that usually the single(s) from an album are usually the fluffiest, weakest track on the whole album, as that seems to be what most of the tasteless buying public wants...so shallow. Anyway, the best cuts are usually buried deep in the album or put on B-sides. That being said, though, I like all our Dels singles...even CTBF. :-) - --- Wonderwoman681@aol.com wrote: > I agree with you, the singles that have come out for > the most part give the > dels absolutley no credit for their brilliant > songwriting. > > -Anjule > > > > > > > > Iain told me a while back that it WILL turn up > somewhere - probably as a > > B-side. Shame though, I would have thought it would > make a great single, > > but then, who am I to judge. I dislike 98% of the > songs which get into the > > singles chart, so I obviously have lousy taste. Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:54:14 -0400 From: "Josh Neas" Subject: Re: OV: everyone okay? I'm alright here. Of course I'm in London right now. I was asleep on my couch when my friend came in, woke me up and turned on the tv. Just unbelieveable. I'd been really bumming with all the terrible death that had been going on in the Middle East but this hits even closer to home. It's the type of thing that can really test ones faith in many things and I do hope that everyone is alright and hasn't any family that was too closely affected by the attack. My thoughts are with every one of you. I could go on about how it just doesn't make sense, no matter how you disagree with someone's ideas and politics, to carry out something that costs the lives of _thousands_ of innocent people who are only trying to live and be happy. But it seems clichid and obvious. It's too sad. josh. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:56:44 -0500 From: "BarbaraLafferty" Subject: OV: Re: AW: oppositeview-digest V3 #226 I'm in the midwest, I deal with Oklahoma City all the time. I can only contribute to the conversation with the information that the folks in Oklahoma are distraught, frightened and angry. They have been through this before and don't like to see it happening again. Terrorism is a faceless demon that leaves you empty and assaulted. I have family on the east coast, none of which suffered from this directly, but we all mourn for the souls that have been sacrificed. My heart hurts so badly today that it's almost impossible to focus on my daily tasks. I wanted to say that I really have appreciated all the kind thoughts and prayers from overseas. It's so comforting to know that you all realized our terror and frustration and that you all care so much. This is one more reason I love the members on this list. thank you Barbara St. Louis - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoeger, Tanja" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 4:35 AM Subject: OV: AW: oppositeview-digest V3 #226 > Hello everybody, > > I'm from germany. A friend of mine called me at 3 pm and told me that a > plane crashed in the WTC. At first I thought it was a joke and I don't mind > about it. > > Then I heard about the Pentagon and I tried to get in the www but there was > no chance. > > Then I called our colleagues in Philadelphia and they told me that both > towers are collapsed. They should have a presentation today in N.Y.. Thanks > God, that they didn't have arrived yesterday in Manhattan. > > I went home immediately and turned on my TV and the pictures I saw on CNN > were horrible. It was a great shock to see this and it was absolutly > unbelievable. > > I hope everyone is okay. > > Tanja ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:40:56 +0100 From: "Chris Fleming" Subject: OV: Horror and Tragedy Just dropping a note to send my thoughts to all the people who have been affected by this terrible act. I was at work when one of the office clerks asked if I had seen the news. For the next hour nurses, doctors, patients, relatives and others all crowded into TV rooms to watch the horror unfold before ours eyes., there was no distinction between these people we were all just shocked people, shedding a tear for the people across the ocean. ChrisF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:23:36 +0100 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: RE: Heh whats this? Rough translation: What you think that will happen to CAN YOU DO ME GOOD? It will be a boom! It will have good sales Just as previous (i think this is directed at the last albums) It will not be too successful It will be a failure -- Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster The Official Del Amitri Website (UK) www.delamitri.co.uk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org]On Behalf Of doug brown Sent: 12 September 2001 16:17 To: oppositeview@smoe.org Subject: OV: Heh whats this? Whoever it is they're fast. I voted in the poll but since I no hablo espanol I hope I didn't vote to get a closeup of Justin's caterpillar on the cover or something. http://members.tripod.com/perelluis/ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 17:16:52 -0400 From: "Reid and Susan Gardner" Subject: OV: WorldTC/P I am awed by the outpouring of concern from everyone on the other side of the pond after this stunning tragedy at the WTC and Pentagon. Like Barbara said, you are wonderful. I'd been sipping my second cup of joe and sitting quietly watching the birds on the feeders outside the picture window when Reid called me from work Tuesday morning and told me to turn on the TV, that something awful had happened... I sat there in absolute shock watching as the second tower collapsed on a live television news broadcast, and I cried as I realized that so many lives had ended as I sat there watching helplessly. The tears have flowed numerous times since then, thinking of the staggeringly high loss of life... somehow I'm seeing this mainly from the point of view of a mom, and my heart is simply broken thinking of those countless mothers that have now outlived their children, which just never seems right. Also, only a few weeks ago I was on board an airplane like those that were used to attack the towers, and I can't help but remember what it was like to be looking out the window as we flew - how absolutely horrifying it must have been for those passengers as they saw the buildings looming ahead. It was wonderful to see Tony Blair speaking on TV yesterday, talking about how the US has Britain's support and how outraged everyone is at what has happened. We as a country appreciate the open support that has come quickly from our friends overseas. Over here we are stunned at the blatant terrorist attack, not 100% sure who perpetuated it yet and not knowing if the attacks are over either. Lockheed aircraft plant is very near our home here in Georgia as is Dobbins air force base, and Atlanta itself is a huge city - we wondered if in the hours after the first attack, a target in our own area would be destroyed. We were spared, thankfully. Please do continue to remember us as a nation as so many of us deal with the tragedy. It's frightening to think of what will happen next. Will a full-fledged war break out? My son is 18 - will he be drafted? What kind of enemy is this that is willing to take on the US? Its very very upsetting to us all. Only time will tell, so please continue to pray for those who have lost loved ones as well for our leaders, that they will find out who is to blame for this and be wise in how they handle the situation. Love ya'll, Susan and family ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:56:44 +0100 From: "Jane Armstrong" Subject: OV: OT Sting tribute Sting was supposed to broadcast a live webcast last night - but cancelled it as a mark of respect. However, he has done a live version of Fragile, which he's dedicated to everyone affected by this tragedy. It's really moving. If anyone wants to hear/see it, it's at http://lonwas004.virtuebroadcasting.com/vizzavi/sting/uk/webcast2.asp Jane ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison Bellach Subject: OV: good news in the midst - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 From: Iain Harvie To: Alison Bellach Subject: Alison, During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. Mother and baby are both good as new. I am pretty overwhelmed by the days events and my philosophical misgivings about bringing children into this world have not been swept aside as comprehensively as I hoped they might. I hope you and all those you love are well, Iain ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:29:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Debbie Cushing Subject: Re: OV: Heh whats this? This might be interesting to some. If you go to http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn there's a place where you can enter the URL of the site you want to translate and other than graphics, it'll do a basic (very) translation of the words on the web site. You'll laugh when you see the translation for the poll question. :-) Enjoy, debbie - --- doug brown wrote: > Whoever it is they're fast. I voted in the poll but > since I no hablo espanol I hope I didn't vote to get > a > closeup of Justin's caterpillar on the cover or > something. > > http://members.tripod.com/perelluis/ > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant > messaging with Yahoo! Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:41:03 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: Re: OV: good news in the midst At least one good thing came out of Sept. 11... My best congratulations to the dad, mom, and daughter. Darren At 03:24 PM 9/12/01 -0700, Alison Bellach wrote: >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 >From: Iain Harvie >To: Alison Bellach >Subject: > >Alison, > >During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, >oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. >Mother and baby are both good as new. I am pretty overwhelmed by the days >events and my philosophical misgivings about bringing children into this >world have not been swept aside as comprehensively as I hoped they might. >I hope you and all those you love are well, > >Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 07:42:42 +0100 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: RE: good news in the midst Great news innit! The 6th Del weighed in at 7lb 6oz - more than Kris with guitar on! :-) Visit the UK site to send your congratulations to the family. -- Kevin Cawthorne Webmaster The Official Del Amitri Website (UK) www.delamitri.co.uk - -----Original Message----- From: owner-oppositeview@smoe.org [mailto:owner-oppositeview@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Alison Bellach Sent: 12 September 2001 23:25 To: Opposite View Subject: OV: good news in the midst - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 From: Iain Harvie To: Alison Bellach Subject: Alison, During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. Mother and baby are both good as new. I am pretty overwhelmed by the days events and my philosophical misgivings about bringing children into this world have not been swept aside as comprehensively as I hoped they might. I hope you and all those you love are well, Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 08:05:33 +0100 From: "Hilary Gray" Subject: Re: OV: good news in the midst Excellent news indeed. But isn't Louis a boy's name? Hilary - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Holmquist" Sent: 12 September 2001 23:41 My best congratulations to the dad, mom, and daughter. At 03:24 PM 9/12/01 -0700, Alison Bellach wrote: >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 >From: Iain Harvie >During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, >oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:22:17 -0700 From: Darren Holmquist Subject: Re: OV: good news in the midst Sorry, my penmanship isn't what it used to be! :) dh At 08:05 AM 9/13/01 +0100, Hilary Gray wrote: >Excellent news indeed. > >But isn't Louis a boy's name? > >Hilary > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Darren Holmquist" >Sent: 12 September 2001 23:41 > > >My best congratulations to the dad, mom, and daughter. > >At 03:24 PM 9/12/01 -0700, Alison Bellach wrote: >>Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 >>From: Iain Harvie > >>During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, >>oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:59:04 +0200 From: Espen Kvalheim Subject: Re: OV: good news in the midst I became a father in February, and I feel convinced that this forms a large part of my strong reaction to the events in the US. There is one thing that gives me comfort, though. Having brought a child into this world, I'm now more determined than ever to pour all my love into raising him. Only then can we balance out all the mindless hate and cruelty in the world, and by the timing of little Louis Harvie, it looks like this little child has its mind set on the task. So Iain (hoping you get to read this): Sane, caring people should never think twice about having children - we need every one of them. Best of luck to you all, Espen > From: Alison Bellach > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 15:24:52 -0700 (PDT) > To: Opposite View > Subject: OV: good news in the midst > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:07:45 +0100 > From: Iain Harvie > To: Alison Bellach > Subject: > > Alison, > > During all the mahem and wierdness of September 11th, Louis Harvie, > oblivious to it all decided that it was time to enter the world. > Mother and baby are both good as new. I am pretty overwhelmed by the days > events and my philosophical misgivings about bringing children into this > world have not been swept aside as comprehensively as I hoped they might. > I hope you and all those you love are well, > > Iain ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 09:42:36 +0100 From: Hopping James W Subject: OV: Good news in the midst of tragedy Must agree that Iains happy news is some small beacon of light within the darkness of the last two days. Jim ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #227 **********************************