From: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org (oppositeview-digest) To: oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Subject: oppositeview-digest V3 #116 Reply-To: oppositeview@smoe.org Sender: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-oppositeview-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk oppositeview-digest Monday, May 7 2001 Volume 03 : Number 116 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OV: Wheatus ["Kevin Cawthorne" ] OV: Re: Wheatus ["Jen Woyan" ] Re: OV: Wheatus ["Josh Neas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 15:33:14 +0100 From: "Kevin Cawthorne" Subject: OV: Wheatus Is this a new stance of "if u cant beat it, join it?" Wheatus were playing at a live outside broadcast with Radio 1 and they announced to the crowd, "in case you didnt know, you can bring your tape recorders to our shows and sell the recordings when you get home, bootleg our stuff, please!" I know the Dels don't mind the recording of shows, but its unusual for a band to announce it publicly Kevin Cawthorne www.delamitri.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 12:22:43 -0500 From: "Jen Woyan" Subject: OV: Re: Wheatus Truly - however, some (very successful) bands have found that it's also a cheap way to build your fan base, and this bears out in the research. These bands/artists include the Grateful Dead, Dave Matthews Band, and Pearl Jam, who last year began releasing their own series (up to 3 now) of board 'bootlegs' of their favorite live performances and which have sold remarkably well (some even found their way into the Billboard charts). Even Napster arch-enemy Metallica has promoted gig taping for years as their 'gift' to their fans. This permission to bootleg never seems to infringe upon the fan's desire to obtain the commercially available recordings, and at times serves to keep the fans' interest between releases. Forrester Research determined last year that of the number of Internet and non-Internet music users surveyed, the increase in individual purchases was markedly greater in the case of Internet users. And while singles sales were down in 1999/2000, overall international music sales were up 4-7% over all genres. It all seems to make me wonder, in the immortal words of Aretha Franklin, Who's zoomin' who, here..... I get the mental picture of UMG and Sony et al as very large, very spoiled children taking their ball and going home because we impertinent music consumers refuse to play by their rules and since they can't come up with a better alternative to their monopolistic distribution practises, they're refusing to let anyone else play at all.... And remember, recently many US artists have come forward to state resoundingly that the RIAA does not represent their interests in the marketplace, but those of the recording INDUSTRY only... ...sigh...I'm gonna go enjoy a little sunshine now while I listen to my - technically - illegal digital sound recordings....hmmm.... Cheers, Jen - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cawthorne" To: "OV" Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: OV: Wheatus > Is this a new stance of "if u cant beat it, join it?" > > Wheatus were playing at a live outside broadcast with Radio 1 and they > announced to the crowd, "in case you didnt know, you can bring your tape > recorders to our shows and sell the recordings when you get home, bootleg > our stuff, please!" > > I know the Dels don't mind the recording of shows, but its unusual for a > band to announce it publicly > > Kevin Cawthorne > www.delamitri.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 20:21:41 From: "Josh Neas" Subject: Re: OV: Wheatus >I know the Dels don't mind the recording of shows, but its unusual for >a >band to announce it publicly Isn't it also weird (and kind of irresponsible) for a band to push _selling_ their bootlegs? One of the best ideas ever is a self-regulated traders list. Toad the Wet Sprocket did it by encouraging people to boot their shows and to trade around with other people for free. As long as no one charged anyone, and people traded shows for free, it took the thunder out of anyone who tried to sell shows for money. At most, the only money that changes hands is for people who send a few bucks for the dub tape and postage but nothing more. josh. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of oppositeview-digest V3 #116 **********************************